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K-9 Vick out for the year? (1 Viewer)
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
Somebody cut the hounds loose, and now they're baying for Vick's blood.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
A crime against humanity. What kind of man would knowingly give a woman herpes?
Stingdiddy
Footballguy
You can take the thug out of Bad News, Va...but you can't take the Bad News out of the thug.
It's kind of like trying to turn a ho into a housewife...it's tough.
It's kind of like trying to turn a ho into a housewife...it's tough.
chris1969
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posted back-to-back on PFT
POSTED 4:26 p.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
VICK STORY TO GET "EVEN BIGGER"
In a Friday morning interview on 790 The Zone in Atlanta, reporter Mary Kay Mallonee of WAVY-TV said that investigators looking into the dog-fighting operation on Mike Vick's property in Virginia have privately said that the story is going to get "even bigger" as it continues to unfold.
Mallonee explained that a regional drug task force investigating Vick's cousin last week heard "all these dogs barking" while executing a search warrant. The investigators investigated (duh) and saw roughly 70 dogs, blood-soaked carpeting, and training equipment at an apparent "dog-fighting compound" behind the house. It was, as Mallonee described, a "huge operation."
At one point, she described it as a "major operation that needs lots of money to be supported." Given that the persons living in the house (as she noted) are not employed, where was the cash coming from, if not from Vick?
Also, Vick's claim that he never goes to the property seems to be getting shakier and shakier.
Neighbors told Mallonee that Vick is in town "all the time," and clerks at a nearby store said that Vick comes in to buy "lots of supplies" for the dogs, including syringes.
"I think they're gathering more and more evidence that he was very well aware [of the dog fighting]," Mallonee said, adding that she believes that the police have evidence more concrete than word of mouth from witnesses who say that they have seem him.
And Vick's potential culpability goes beyond knowledge and financial support of the operation. Mallonee said that the investigators are following leads which could show that Vick was actually present for some of the fights.
Vick has not yet been interviewed by investigators. Mallonee said that police are focused on getting all their ducks in a row before talking to Vick.
Memo to Mike: The next time you're at that store where you (allegedly) bought those syringes, it might be a good idea to by some soap. On a rope.
POSTED 3:57 p.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
HUMANE SOCIETY CALLS FOR COMMISH TO ACT by Michael David Smith
Now that the "real" media has picked up on the story of an apparent dog-fighting operation being run at a property owned by Michael Vick, it's clear that this issue isn't going away.
And now the Humane Society of the United States has turned its attention to Commissioner Roger Goodell, publicly urging him to kick players involved in dog fighting out of the league. Yes, that's "players", as in more than one.
According to the Humane Society, Vick isn't the only NFL player who has been involved in dog fighting.
"We believe that the current situation involving Michael Vick is indicative of a larger subculture within the NFL of dog fighting and other forms of violence against animals," Humane Society President and CEO Wayne Pacelle wrote in a letter to Goodell.
Among other incidents, the Humane Society notes that former NFL player LeShon Johnson has been accused of being involved in dog fighting, and Falcons defensive tackle Jonathan Babineaux has been accused of killing his girlfriend's dog.
The Humane Society isn't the type of organization to go away quietly, and Goodell isn't the type of sports commissioner to ignore a story like this. If there really is a larger subculture within the NFL of dog fighting and violence against animals, we expect (not as in "we want him to" but as in "we think he will") Goodell to deal harshly with the players involved.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
POSTED 4:26 p.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
VICK STORY TO GET "EVEN BIGGER"
In a Friday morning interview on 790 The Zone in Atlanta, reporter Mary Kay Mallonee of WAVY-TV said that investigators looking into the dog-fighting operation on Mike Vick's property in Virginia have privately said that the story is going to get "even bigger" as it continues to unfold.
Mallonee explained that a regional drug task force investigating Vick's cousin last week heard "all these dogs barking" while executing a search warrant. The investigators investigated (duh) and saw roughly 70 dogs, blood-soaked carpeting, and training equipment at an apparent "dog-fighting compound" behind the house. It was, as Mallonee described, a "huge operation."
At one point, she described it as a "major operation that needs lots of money to be supported." Given that the persons living in the house (as she noted) are not employed, where was the cash coming from, if not from Vick?
Also, Vick's claim that he never goes to the property seems to be getting shakier and shakier.
Neighbors told Mallonee that Vick is in town "all the time," and clerks at a nearby store said that Vick comes in to buy "lots of supplies" for the dogs, including syringes.
"I think they're gathering more and more evidence that he was very well aware [of the dog fighting]," Mallonee said, adding that she believes that the police have evidence more concrete than word of mouth from witnesses who say that they have seem him.
And Vick's potential culpability goes beyond knowledge and financial support of the operation. Mallonee said that the investigators are following leads which could show that Vick was actually present for some of the fights.
Vick has not yet been interviewed by investigators. Mallonee said that police are focused on getting all their ducks in a row before talking to Vick.
Memo to Mike: The next time you're at that store where you (allegedly) bought those syringes, it might be a good idea to by some soap. On a rope.
POSTED 3:57 p.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
HUMANE SOCIETY CALLS FOR COMMISH TO ACT by Michael David Smith
Now that the "real" media has picked up on the story of an apparent dog-fighting operation being run at a property owned by Michael Vick, it's clear that this issue isn't going away.
And now the Humane Society of the United States has turned its attention to Commissioner Roger Goodell, publicly urging him to kick players involved in dog fighting out of the league. Yes, that's "players", as in more than one.
According to the Humane Society, Vick isn't the only NFL player who has been involved in dog fighting.
"We believe that the current situation involving Michael Vick is indicative of a larger subculture within the NFL of dog fighting and other forms of violence against animals," Humane Society President and CEO Wayne Pacelle wrote in a letter to Goodell.
Among other incidents, the Humane Society notes that former NFL player LeShon Johnson has been accused of being involved in dog fighting, and Falcons defensive tackle Jonathan Babineaux has been accused of killing his girlfriend's dog.
The Humane Society isn't the type of organization to go away quietly, and Goodell isn't the type of sports commissioner to ignore a story like this. If there really is a larger subculture within the NFL of dog fighting and violence against animals, we expect (not as in "we want him to" but as in "we think he will") Goodell to deal harshly with the players involved.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
3C's
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Horses Mouth
Footballguy
lock him up. i have no time for shenanigans like this. i'm a HUGE dog fan and the conditions these animals go through for their owners is disgusting. Vick is a POS.
freshly_shorn
Footballguy
Being a Lions fan 
, good luck with Joey.
Wonder how the dirty birds feel about that Schaub deal now!
, good luck with Joey.Wonder how the dirty birds feel about that Schaub deal now!
BigRed
Footballguy
DUDE, out on a limb! Don't be racist.I'm not totally sold on Gooden's "tough guy" bit just yet (and "tough" from a pro sports GM perspective is relative anyway, ie relatively weak). If Vick is proven to have known about this cruelty and allowed it in a home he owned, he should be expelled from the league. Period. But that will never happen to any player for such an offense, least of all Vick, who remains really popular despite one hell of an effort to eliminate any justification for it, both personally and sport-wise. Cmon, if a player can cover up murders, sell hard drugs, beat up women (etc etc) and be allowed to play, there isn't much leeway left to give. Pro sports are a total joke when it comes to player discipline. The inmates have run the asylum for a long time, and it's mostly because of the almighty dollar. So don't hold your breath about much happening to Vick./soapbox
2stix
Footballguy
Are you pulling an Al sharpton or a Jesse Jackson on me? Where do you see racism ?
Anyway the guys name is Goodell and thats just Exactly what I am saying:and THIS is what Goodell is trying to change.
BigRed
Footballguy
Sarcasm, FYI.My bad on the name. Anyway glad he's trying to un-do what that spineless putz Paul T. helped "enable," but again it's early and I'm not overwhelmed just yet. He does seem to be a step in the right direction at least.2stix said:Are you pulling an Al sharpton or a Jesse Jackson on me? Where do you see racism ?BigRed said:
flufhed
Footballguy
My thoughts:
1. Anyone that engages in this kind of stuff is a piece of white/black trash. Freaking dog fighting?? About as low as you can go, IMO.
2. The NFL can try to sweep all they want, but the feds are on the case. My guess is that Vick is heavily involved, if not at the center, and that this will eventually be uncovered.
3. Those that think this is not a big deal, other than Vick just being a POS for being tied to this thing are, in my opinion, overlooking a very important aspect of the case. Sure, dog fighting is probably not a huge crime, but what is a pretty big crime is running a large underground gambling operation. That is probably what the feds are most interested in. You don't have one (dog fighting) without the other (gambling).
I absolutely LOVE listening to the Vick apologists. Ahh, good ol' denial. I think I uttered some of the very same excuses, etc. as a Titans fan and Pacman apologist. Vick appears to be cut from the same cloth as Pacman, although a little less raw and less violent. But trust me, it will catch up with him.
1. Anyone that engages in this kind of stuff is a piece of white/black trash. Freaking dog fighting?? About as low as you can go, IMO.
2. The NFL can try to sweep all they want, but the feds are on the case. My guess is that Vick is heavily involved, if not at the center, and that this will eventually be uncovered.
3. Those that think this is not a big deal, other than Vick just being a POS for being tied to this thing are, in my opinion, overlooking a very important aspect of the case. Sure, dog fighting is probably not a huge crime, but what is a pretty big crime is running a large underground gambling operation. That is probably what the feds are most interested in. You don't have one (dog fighting) without the other (gambling).
I absolutely LOVE listening to the Vick apologists. Ahh, good ol' denial. I think I uttered some of the very same excuses, etc. as a Titans fan and Pacman apologist. Vick appears to be cut from the same cloth as Pacman, although a little less raw and less violent. But trust me, it will catch up with him.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The Falcons traded the wrong QB.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Seems like every month there is a new Vick hating thread. Wonder what next month will bring.
So far it doesn't look like there is any solid evidence he was aware of a dog fighting ring.
Those hoping for a suspension will very likely be let down again. Better luck next time. Maybe he'll get caught jaywalking or something next month if the haters are lucky.
So far it doesn't look like there is any solid evidence he was aware of a dog fighting ring.
Those hoping for a suspension will very likely be let down again. Better luck next time. Maybe he'll get caught jaywalking or something next month if the haters are lucky.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
But "Hating" is what Goodell is going after. He is far less concerned about whether or not someone is guilty of a crime than he is about whether fans think the players are thugs. It's about image and marketing and "conduct detrimental to the league" or something equally vague. If any or all of (a) letting your cousin run an illegal operation on your property free of charge (and possibly with financial support) and not having the brains to provide any oversight whatsoever or
(b) transporting your "jewelry" in a pot-smelling trick bottle that is not legal to take on a plane in the first place or
(c)telling the feds about you don't visit a certain property when all the neighbors say you do
are considered detrimental to the league, then he's likely to be punished whether he's convicted of anything or not.
What about all the reports that he was at the property while it was being built, often at the property (despite what he said to the feds) etc.? The only think keeping him from being suspended is that he is so well-known and popular that he has to do more bad than others for it to become "detrimental" as a whole (Yes I'm saying I think there are different rules for different players)
Hit the nail on the head. The federal government will prosecute illegal gambling operations harshly. Dog fighting is an awful blood sport, but if Vick is deeply involved and has been making a lot of $ off the gambling aspect of this situation, I'd guess (99.9% probable, IMO) that the $ was not reported as income to the IRS. Elliot Ness/the feds put Al Capone away not for murder or conspiracy to commit murder, but for tax evasion. If the dog breeding/home-raised pet business angle was used to hide the illegal gambling income and some portion or all was reported as income, then the feds are looking at a case of money laundering.My .02.
snarfsnarf
Footballguy
For all the millions of dollars that these guys pay there agents, shouldn't they be doing a better job of telling them which ventures to put their money into a which ones not to.
Vick is an idiot, and of course the agents don't care.
Vick is an idiot, and of course the agents don't care.
Slider
Footballguy
Somebody hit a nerve? Marcus, is that you?
Tillmanisahero
Footballguy
I hope he gets at least a year....fighting dogs is for scumbags and its a big time felony to be involved in running a dog fighting ring.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Unless Vick is found guilty of any charge, he is not going to be suspended. Goodell wants to get tough on off the field problems, but if he starts going after players for suspicion of activity, then he is likely to have big problems with the NFLPA.
B-Deep
Footballguy
pacman jones down?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
there seesm to be more people jumping on this bandwagon. If PETA gets involved Vick is toast.
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3C's
Footballguy
The Humane Society is already on board and calling for a suspension. They're a more respected organization than PETA. PETA would definitely be more vocal though.
massraider
Footballguy
We must be thinking of different PETAs.
The Vick K-9 site seems like a legit business. All Vick's lawyers have to do is plead ignorance, and say he thought that's what he was supporting. Unless someone were to testify that they witnessed him at dog fights, it will be hard to link him directly. Not to mention he will have the best lawyers in the state of Virgina.
Slider
Footballguy
Lol, most of the best lawyers in Virginia work for the Government. They already have the lady at the convenience store and a couple others lined up. It's only a matter of time before the receipts start showing up. If you buy gas near the site and grab some food soon after it's over you were probably attending.
Big Score
Footballguy
The above is all circumstantial & unless the Feds can produce witnesses that actually saw Vick at an organized dog fight where his dogs were involved, they're not going to be able to get beyond the burden of reasonable doubt.
That being said, I'll betcha Goodell still suspends Vick x number of games for Conduct Detrimental.
Big Score
Footballguy
That I'm not aware of.....
2stix
Footballguy
Listen to this audio link.
http://www.790thezone.com/vdDynamic/AudioB...udioBit3020.mp3
WOW !! This from the investigative reporter in VA.
He's Toast.
http://www.790thezone.com/vdDynamic/AudioB...udioBit3020.mp3
WOW !! This from the investigative reporter in VA.
He's Toast.
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Big Score
Footballguy
No doubt. But again, I see Goodell handing out some kind of a suspension, regardless of whether or not Vick gets convicted.
jdraiders
Footballguy
On Vick's site in the store it describes the character of the pit bull they seel:"Character: This dog is loyal, tough on itself, and tenacious. It makes a good watchdog, has lots of stamina, and can be domineering over other dogs. "
NICE!
http://www.vicksk9kennels.com/store/
Big Score
Footballguy
The reporter said that authorities think Vick might have been present at an organized dog fight(s) & are currently investigating, but that's it. No mention of any actual witnesses.
Also mentioned that to successfully prosecute Vick under VA law, the authorities have to not only prove that Vick was present at an organized dog fight, but he must have been one of the handlers initiating the dog fight.I still think, regardless of conviction, between this & the infamous water bottle uproar, Goodell suspends Vick for x number of games.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Unless i hear some hard evidence i find it hard to believe Vick will be punished by the law or by the NFL.
So far i've heard nothing except heresay and speculation.
His lawyers will tear apart a prosecution that has no solid evidence, but the point is that no case will be brought against him based on what we've heard so far.
Get off Vick's jock, he'll be dominating the NFL for many years to come, get used to it.
So far i've heard nothing except heresay and speculation.
His lawyers will tear apart a prosecution that has no solid evidence, but the point is that no case will be brought against him based on what we've heard so far.
Get off Vick's jock, he'll be dominating the NFL for many years to come, get used to it.
Big Score
Footballguy
Vick has publicly gone on record as stating he never goes to that property.
Now I don't know what Vick's attorney has been saying to the authorities (according to the radio interview linked by 2stix, the authorities are only communicating with Vick's attorney & have yet to interview Vick himself), but if the attorney is relaying to the authorities the same story that Vick told the media above, then he would indeed be guilty of lying to the authorities & that would be obstruction of justice at the very least, right? (I'm no lawyer, so I don't really know) Unless of course it turns out that what all the local witnesses are saying about having seen Vick in the area both recently & often, is just a pack of lies. Especially damning, is what the convenience store clerk is saying.
However, I suspect what Vick told the press & what Vick's attorney is telling the authorities, is completely different.
I'm still of the opinion that regardless of what happens legally, Goodell does hand Vick a suspension of some sort.
Big Score
Footballguy
Actually 2stix, from the radio link you've provided us, we know that Vick has not been interviewed by any authorities yet, let alone Federal Investigators. So far, all we know is that the communication with the authorities is currently going through Vick's attorney, but what that communication is, we don't know, because Vick's attorney isn't talking to the media.2stix said:
Tough to say Vick has commited perjury, when he hasn't even talked with the authorities yet & we don't know what statements his attorney is submitting.
flufhed
Footballguy
He'll dominate the same way he has dominated in the past. Dude is a personal trainwreck and, while supremely talented, mediocre and overrated as a QB.- Status
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