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Kanye Buying Parler (1 Viewer)
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The General
Footballguy
This will end well.
The General
Footballguy
Who knows. Maybe he’ll explain it on his own social media platform.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The odds of this actually closing are slim. They don't even have an agreement yet.
The General
Footballguy
That’s disappointing.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
like Joe said " “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump then you ain’t black,”
Ye is finding out how the powers of cancel culture
Ye is finding out how the powers of cancel culture
The General
Footballguy
Kanye signed, among many other promotional agreements, a one billion dollar deal with The GAP after announcing he was a MAGA Trump guy
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dkp993
Footballguy
He’s mentally ill.
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It seems like he's saying all black people are Jewish and into some lost tribe of Israel theory thing. He keeps saying he can't be anti-Semitic because he's Jewish. It's weird.
Bogart
Footballguy
How would you prefer your change?
FairWarning
Footballguy
What would the left do if the Hood went MAGA?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
More gun confiscations?
FairWarning
Footballguy
I don’t see that happening. I have no idea how influential he is though.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Pete Davidson
Zow
Footballguy
I believe* Ye follows in the controversial dogmatic belief that black people are the true descendants of Israel's tribe and therefore God's chosen people. As such, "normal" Jewish people have effectively stolen this title.
*I cannot jump inside the man's head but am reasonably deducing this from prior statements he's made and my understanding of this dogmatic belief.
Zow
Footballguy
This explains the theory pretty decently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Thread title is guilty of dead naming 
Van Dyman
Footballguy
I'm not certain how following a rabbit hole got you from wikipedia to a craft beer, but any trip that ends with lager is ok in my book.
Is there anything that someone could do or say that would be offensive enough that would warrant be "canceled"?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I'm not sure
You have a Right to freedoms to think and believe and say how you want ...... but it we live in a culture where you can only say certain things or be "canceled" then your freedom really isn't freedom at all is it ?
What you might list as things offensive enough i might disagree with and my list you might disagree with. Who gets to decide what's offensive? Trump ? Desantis? Me ?
Kanye signed, among many other promotional agreements, a one billion dollar deal with The GAP after announcing he was a MAGA Trump guy
That's interesting. In general, what effect do you think it would have for a person promoting another similar mass market retailer like The Gap for them to announce they were a "MAGA Trump guy"?
Very positive for the promoter?
Positive for the promoter?
No effect?
Negative for the promoter?
Very negative for the promoter?
My sense is it would at best a negative for the promoter. Maybe even very negative.
The General
Footballguy
I don’t know. Political stances of any nature can be pretty tricky.Kanye signed, among many other promotional agreements, a one billion dollar deal with The GAP after announcing he was a MAGA Trump guy
That's interesting. In general, what effect do you think it would have for a person promoting another similar mass market retailer like The Gap for them to announce they were a "MAGA Trump guy"?
Very positive for the promoter?
Positive for the promoter?
No effect?
Negative for the promoter?
Very negative for the promoter?
My sense is it would at best a negative for the promoter. Maybe even very negative.
In Kanye’s case he was not canceled or whatever for this. He was wearing the hat, hanging with him, pumping him up and a year later signed this deal with The Gap. We should all be so canceled.
The General
Footballguy
In the case of a business choosing a spokesperson it’s a delicate balance of their consumers and what helps the company’s bottom line.
For a similar mass market retailer like the Gap though, what's your guess if you were the promoter.
Say for J.Crew. If you were the promoter for J.Crew and you announced you were a "MAGA Trump guy", what do you think would be the reaction toward that promoter?
Very positive for the promoter?
Positive for the promoter?
No effect?
Negative for the promoter?
Very negative for the promoter?
The General
Footballguy
For Trump he’s a troll of the highest order who offends half the country seemingly as a strategy. Not many more polarizing figures out there.
Depending on the spokesperson’s level of “Trumpyness” and how they are being used by the company I don’t think it would be a positive for many brands unless they really leaned into it and marketed to his loyal followers.
In Kanye’s case it didn’t seem to hurt him one bit. He had that level of cache I guess or maybe The Gap people are just bad at their jobs and are throwing anything at the wall to save their brand.
What do you think?
Thanks. If you were to choose between one of the options on the spectrum, where do you think you'd guess a brand like J.Crew would be if a promoter were to be a MAGA Trump guy?
Very positive for the promoter?
Positive for the promoter?
No effect?
Negative for the promoter?
Very negative for the promoter?
Wasn't sure where "don't think it would be a positive" fell. No effect? Or something net negative?
For what I think, I think it's what I said earlier, "My sense is it would at best be a negative for the promoter. Maybe even very negative."
The General
Footballguy
Not positive is another way of saying negative I guess
Unless this was something they leaned into or the brand aligned with this somehow. Any support for a polarizing politician would likely fall into that category speaking broadly.
Francis Furillo
Footballguy
This is the first I heard of Ye and being Jewish.
"For the Jewish people. What I'm doin is me tooing the Jewish culture."
It's odd.
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"For the Jewish people. What I'm doin is me tooing the Jewish culture."
It's odd.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
This is the first I heard of Ye and being Jewish.
"For the Jewish people. What I'm doin is me tooing the Jewish culture."
It's odd.
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maybe he self identifies as Jewish ?
Not positive is another way of saying negative I guess
Unless this was something they leaned into or the brand aligned with this somehow. Any support for a polarizing politician would likely fall into that category speaking broadly.
Thanks. At Footballguys, we've never really pushed hard into the idea of paid outside partnerships and promotions from other people but I do find it interesting from a marketing perspective.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He is having a total bi-polar episode and off meds. He needs help, but he is making these choices too.This is the first I heard of Ye and being Jewish.
"For the Jewish people. What I'm doin is me tooing the Jewish culture."
It's odd.
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Rich Conway
Footballguy
Hey Joe - I'm not sure I understand this question. Using a real-life example to clarify definitions, Lebron James is the "promoter" for Nike, right? If so, I'm not sure how the brand figures into the equation at all unless the promoter in question isn't really famous in their own right. Assuming the promoter is famous in their own right, I think the effect on the promoter's personal brand would entirely depend on whether they are already known for any particular political stances. If not, announcing as a MAGA person seems like it would be a negative, as there are fewer MAGA people in the US than not.
massraider
Footballguy
Sure, a negative collectively to 350 million Americans--maybe. If you asked all of them.
But companies don't need the majority of Americans to like what they do. They need the ones that DO like it to go out and spend money on it.
I think partnering with Kanye makes a ton of sense. His fans think he can do no wrong, if this ingratiates them with MAGA, that is two groups that have shown they will spend on the object of their affection.
It's like comic books. Vast majority don't read them, but the ones that DO, spend their money.
The General
Footballguy
What would you think if say a ESPN Fantasy talking head became a paid spokesperson of some sort for FBG's. That person over the course of the partnership chose to become very publically involved with a political position. It got to a point where you received complaints from customers and people saying they would not renew.Not positive is another way of saying negative I guess
Unless this was something they leaned into or the brand aligned with this somehow. Any support for a polarizing politician would likely fall into that category speaking broadly.
Thanks. At Footballguys, we've never really pushed hard into the idea of paid outside partnerships and promotions from other people but I do find it interesting from a marketing perspective.
Would you terminate the relationship? If so, would that be consider "canceling" the spokesperson voice?
TheMagus
Footballguy
He is having a total bi-polar episode and off meds. He needs help, but he is making these choices too.This is the first I heard of Ye and being Jewish.
"For the Jewish people. What I'm doin is me tooing the Jewish culture."
It's odd.
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He also apparently blasted the name of his kids' school on social media last week and Kim K had to hire extra security at the school because she was worried about their safety with their location being published like that.
That's the kind of stuff I think about. It's such a challenge with polarizing figures as a business doesn't want to lose customers for any reason if they can help it. In my opinion, on the political things, the gain a business might see doesn't seem like enough to make up for the loss from the people who disagree.
Canceling and free speech and rights of private business is a complex thing. I don't know we've got any of it right but we've tried to do the best we can.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
This is part of why I asked Joe to clarify. He asked what the effect would be on the promoter (e.g. Lebron in my example). You seem to be talking about the effect on the company (e.g. Nike).
massraider
Footballguy
Yep, completely misunderstood his question
Zow
Footballguy
Hopefully not the bold, as they are/were government actors and there "cancelling" free speech - thereby likely violating the first amendment.
In a free market/open culture without government restriction, it's the "market" that would cancel bad ideas/speech. This should be how somebody who doesn't want government involved should want it.
Based on your comments and rhetorical questions, it sounds very much like you want the government to regulate the free market when it comes to the issue of speech.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Adidas ending its partnership with Kanye.
The General
Footballguy
Epic train wreck unfolding. Who are Kanye’s fans these days?
Some Nazi group in LA hung signs over the freeway saying "Kanye is right" while doing the "heil Hitler" salute last weekend.
The General
Footballguy
That’s super. I‘m sure Parler is just wonderful right now.
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