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Kareem Hunt and Left Eye and Andre Rison (1 Viewer)

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Check RenoRazon's posts. Every one of them is defending Hunt and acting like it's no big deal because he didn't feel the shove or kick was all that hard.
Okay, I can't speak for anybody else but myself. I've personally repeatedly made it clear that Hunt's actions are out of bounds. 

 
Every time you post, you come off as more and more of a scumbag.   You made your point.  You have no problem with guys shoving and kicking women.  As for 'leaving the guy alone'. he came out of his hotel room to engage her. A simple phone call to the front desk and the entire episode is over without him even having to confront her.   But I'm glad to know that you think kicking a girl is appropriate depending on the force of the kick. You sound really tough.  
Slow down with the name calling ,ok guy?

Pay attention.

I doubt anyone was thinking about much there just another night hanging out with ..party over here. party over there.  No thoughts of calling anyone about anything.

If I;d been there Hunt is picking himself up off the floor because that is where I;m throwing him, ok?  So cool this BS about I;m ok with a man getting violent with a woman.  The guy did something stupid like I mentioned, got it?

Dude, be cool,, alright?

 
Check RenoRazon's posts. Every one of them is defending Hunt and acting like it's no big deal because he didn't feel the shove or kick was all that

Thank you my friend.

 
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Slow down with the name calling ,ok guy?

Pay attention.

I doubt anyone was thinking about much there just another night hanging out with ..party over here. party over there.  No thoughts of calling anyone about anything.

If I;d been there Hunt is picking himself up off the floor because that is where I;m throwing him, ok?  So cool this BS about I;m ok with a man getting violent with a woman.  The guy did something stupid like I mentioned, got it?

Dude, be cool,, alright?
So now a guy who thinks it's ok to hit women depending on their behavior, is going to throw a 225 pound professional athlete on the ground? LOL   It was Kareem Hunt.  Not a 90 year-old Lamar Hunt.

 
So now a guy who thinks it's ok to hit women depending on their behavior, is going to throw a 225 pound professional athlete on the ground? LOL   It was Kareem Hunt.  Not a 90 year-old Lamar Hunt.
Are you working at not getting it?  You do know there are women out there today who can kick your ###, right?

You look at who is involved not male/female.

6-2 275, been lifting since I was 15, that was a long time ago, yep, no problems dealing with Kareem Hunt.

 
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Are you working at not getting it?  You do know they are women out there today who can kick you ###, right?

You look at the who is involved not male/female.

6-2 275, been lifting since I was 15, that was a long time ago, yep, no problems dealing with Kareem Hunt.
:D :lol:

 
Are you paying any attention at all slugger?

Any man messing with a woman with me around has a big problem, ok ya with me?  Any man who hits a wman needs his ### kicked, ok?

Work with me here amigo.

There are situations where she is just as big and strong as he is,  and she is the one being aggressive, that trumps......violence against women.  Yes it does happen. 

Hell no a man doesn't beat up on women, you got that?

BUT....we do have situations, ok?
We are attacking a specific situation friendo.  And you come of, at best, a textbook enabler.

 
We are attacking a specific situation friendo.  And you come of, at best, a textbook enabler.
What about....

Guy got pissed, did something stupid don't you get?

A push a feeble kick, is not....OH MY GOD HE BEAT UP A WOMAN...ok?

 
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I HIGHLY doubt you're in the gym more than I am, but the one I go to isn't filled with guys who think it's ok to beat up women. HTH
Then you know there are tons of guys in there who would have no problems tossing Hunt around.

You see a feeble kick as beating a woman up..hahahahaha~~~~~

 
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And how on earth does someone reconcile defending someone's actions while at the same time saying if he was there he would have dropped said individual for such actions?

 
This has gone off of the rails. I was talking about Hunt's career as compared to Left Eye's and it seems we're talking about severity of kicks and who can kick whose ###. That's not what this was meant to be about. It was meant to be a study in media coverage and criminal law. 

Can we bring it back to that?  

 
 Left Eye had plenty of chances after arson. 

Defend that.  
Totally different business models. See Kelly, R.

Short version is most of this level of musician are independent contractors or at worst have a lot of options should their current record label choose to get out of the contract. There is not another NFL. 

In the music industry most controversy sales. Again I'd reference R Kelly whose sales spiked when the documentary about him recently came out.

In terms of societal POV and not getting into action taken by NFL or recording labels inaction. World is a different place then it was in the 90's but I would imagine even in today's environment if a current female celebrity did what Lisa did, which is set a house on first of her significant other and  then in court proceeded to argue her reasons were that she was often beaten and abused and that she never meant to burn the whole house down ,  I'd think that person would garner a lot of public sympathy and with the right lawyers get off a lot easier then you or I would. In other words it's not just what you do, it's how you are able to spin it. This was true in the 90's and it is true today. It's just a lot harder to spin things when they are caught on video.

 
Totally different business models. See Kelly, R.

Short version is most of this level of musician are independent contractors or at worst have a lot of options should their current record label choose to get out of the contract. There is not another NFL. 

In the music industry most controversy sales. Again I'd reference R Kelly whose sales spiked when the documentary about him recently came out.

In terms of societal POV and not getting into action taken by NFL or recording labels inaction. World is a different place then it was in the 90's but I would imagine even in today's environment if a current female celebrity did what Lisa did, which is set a house on first of her significant other and  then in court proceeded to argue her reasons were that she was often beaten and abused and that she never meant to burn the whole house down ,  I'd think that person would garner a lot of public sympathy and with the right lawyers get off a lot easier then you or I would. In other words it's not just what you do, it's how you are able to spin it. This was true in the 90's and it is true today. It's just a lot harder to spin things when they are caught on video.
I was going to use R. Kelly as an example in this thread, BTW. 

I do think that people are able to spin things in the era of social media. And it is a lot harder to spin your position when physical acts of violence are actually caught on camera. That's the danger of a closed circuit society, IMHO.  

 
Pay attention people, ok?

No man should ever hit a woman, got it?  What Hunt did was totally wrong, alright?  And if I;d been there that isn't happening,ok?

Are men physically superior to women?  The knee jerk is....of course.

There are women right now who can out run most men, women who can kick a mans ###, women who can out jump, out throw, out hurdle most men.

Check out arm wrestling, power lifting, swimming, boxing, MMA, and what will we find?

We really do need to look at just who was involved here, not just........a man vs a woman.....anymore. 

YES, in most cases it is just ordinary people. the guy has to open the jars because she can;t, he's way bigger and stronger, for him to get violent with her.......shoot his ###. But it's not always like that.

 
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I must have missed wherever anybody defended Hunt and his deplorable action. My point is that one career is lionized, the other hangs in the balance or is shot. One for a much more minor crime than the other.  
I think times also change.  10 years ago this hunt story would have got a yawn.  Now we are realizing that it's finally unacceptable to act like that towards women.

 
Pay attention people, ok?

No man should ever hit a woman, got it?  What Hunt did was totally wrong, alright?  And if I;d been there that isn't happening,ok?

Are men physically superior to women?  The knee jerk is....of course.

There are women right now who can out run most men, women who can kick a mans ###, women who can out jump, out throw, out hurdle most men.

Check out arm wrestling, power lifting, swimming, boxing, MMA, and what will we find?

We really do need to look at just who was involved here, not just........a man vs a woman.....anymore. 

YES, in most cases it is just ordinary people. the guy has to open the jars because she can;t, he's way bigger and stronger, for him to get violent with her.......shoot his ###. But it's not always like that.
Ok, I paid attention. So what does the fact that there is a tiny percentage of women who can match up, physically, to men have to do with what Kareem Hunt did?  You're talking in circles.

 
Ok, I paid attention. So what does the fact that there is a tiny percentage of women who can match up, physically, to men have to do with what Kareem Hunt did?  You're talking in circles.
A tiny%....huh?  You don't follow female sports do you?

There are women out there today who could beat most NFL WR in a 100m,  dead serious.

Women pro arm wrestlers who could break your arm, dead serious.

Women power lifters who can out lift most men.

Stop acing as if it's always....poor little girl...ok?

How many times do you need to be told this guy?

Hunt got pissed, did a stupid thing, ok?  But don't at like a push a feeble kick was...OH MY GOD...ok? Like I mentioned I grew up with three older sisters, it got FAR FAR rougher than that many times, and they always came back for more. Me just defending myself.

Poor little Rhonda Rousey, (who works out vs men)

 
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A tiny%....huh?  You don't follow female sports do you?

There are women out there today who could beat most NFL WR in a 100m,  dead serious.

Women pro arm wrestlers who could break your arm, dead serious.

Women power lifters who can out lift most men.

Stop acing as if it's always....poor little girl...ok?

How many times do you need to be told this guy?

Hunt got pissed, did a stupid thing, ok?  But don't at like a push a feeble kick was...OH MY GOD...ok? Like I mentioned I grew up with three older sisters, it got FAR FAR rougher than that many times, and they always came back for more. Me just defending myself.

Poor little Rhonda Rousey, (who works out vs men)
It's somehow a different case to assault someone if they are athletic?  C'mon, can't we agree that physical violence against other people is just wrong, period?

 
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Why is it that when Lizzie Borden murders her parents, she gets acquitted and everyone jokes about how "she took an axe and gave her mother forty whacks", but when Aziz Ansari is rude to a woman on a date he gets totally shunned? What a bunch of Hippocrates!
Because when she was done, she gave her father forty one...

#him too

 
LOl at ZenoRazon thinking it would be ok to smack around a female sprinter.   The logic this guy is using to condone violence against women is mind boggling. 

"In other news, a Pittsburgh man beat up a woman outside a nightclub last night.  But don't feel bad for her, folks.  She won the Western PA figure skating championship back in 2016."  :lol:

 
LOl at ZenoRazon thinking it would be ok to smack around a female sprinter.   The logic this guy is using to condone violence against women is mind boggling. 

"In other news, a Pittsburgh man beat up a woman outside a nightclub last night.  But don't feel bad for her, folks.  She won the Western PA figure skating championship back in 2016."  :lol:
JuniorNB thinking like his grandpa did.  If he thinks there aren't women out there now who are stronger than men he needs to get out more.

How many 135 pound men could whip a female 135 pound MMA female?

INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS....no longer just a man vs a woman.

 
It's a little weird. Kareem Hunt's career might be over for the inexcusable kick of a woman. People lecture in stentorian tones on the nightly news; everybody is upset. People wonder whether this is a problem endemic to the NFL, etc.  Left Eye from TLC burns down a part of Andre Rison's house and people laughed. That's arson. Arson is considered one of the most serious crimes in the world and she got off scot free, IIRC, with a wink-wink and a nudge-nudge.  At the very least, she wasn't prosecuted to the full letter of the arson doctrine.  

How are we allowing double standards like this to persist? I'll hang up and listen.     
Life isn't fair

qed

 
Life isn't fair

qed
Very, very true. Life also incorporates a ton of wisdom about what we do and don't do that defies logic. 

But arson, even by a female, should pick up our wisdom antennae.  No need to celebrate that. That's unwise.  

 
By the title, I thought this would be something interesting, like Kareem Hunt was the lovechild of Lisa Lopes and Andre Rison... instead just the ramblings of a drunk lawyer.

 
By the title, I thought this would be something interesting, like Kareem Hunt was the lovechild of Lisa Lopes and Andre Rison... instead just the ramblings of a drunk lawyer.
THERE ARE FEMALE LAWYERS WHO COULD KICK YOUR ###!!!!  THEY ARM WRESTLE AND RUN REALLY FAST!!!  GET WITH THE TIMES.  THIS ISN'T 1963!!@@$#!~

 
How many men can beat these girls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13CzeggsGj4

How many NFL RB;s could run with these girls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI6BYJl5RDM
Has it occurred to you that even among extremely athletic people, not all people are expecting to be kicked or punched or otherwise assaulted at all times?  Out of curiosity, how many people do you know who walk around in defensive poses all day?

Not sure why I'm engaging with trolling beyond the fact that assault of any kind, gender un-related, shouldn't be defended like this.  Please stop.  I'm out.

 
THERE ARE FEMALE LAWYERS WHO COULD KICK YOUR ###!!!!  THEY ARM WRESTLE AND RUN REALLY FAST!!!  GET WITH THE TIMES.  THIS ISN'T 1963!!@@$#!~
Why act goofy, yes it can't be just....men vs women....anymore, if you can't see I tried.

It must be just who was involved, a 6 foot tall, 180 pound female shot putter vs a 5-5 145 pound man who sells insurance.

 
 Left Eye from TLC burns down a part of Andre Rison's house and people laughed. That's arson. Arson is considered one of the most serious crimes in the world and she got off scot free, IIRC, with a wink-wink and a nudge-nudge.  At the very least, she wasn't prosecuted to the full letter of the arson doctrine.  

How are we allowing double standards like this to persist? I'll hang up and listen.     
I think they were originally going to throw the book at Left Eye.  But her attorney recommended that she throw herself on the mercy of the court, and she wasn't too proud to beg.

 
Has it occurred to you that even among extremely athletic people, not all people are expecting to be kicked or punched or otherwise assaulted at all times?  Out of curiosity, how many people do you know who walk around in defensive poses all day?

Not sure why I'm engaging with trolling beyond the fact that assault of any kind, gender un-related, shouldn't be defended like this.  Please stop.  I'm out.
First off I deal with how things really are, something you aren;'t doing.

Little kids troll, ok amigo

 
An Olympic female Judo athlete vs any man here, hmmmm?

Wake up people to how things really are.

 
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First off I deal with how things really are, something you aren;'t doing.

Little kids troll, ok amigo
How they really are, huh?  This isn't some hypothetical situation or fantasy story or some MMA chick roughing you up.  As you were watching Kareem Hunt in the hallway, two-handed shoving the 19 year-old girl and then kicking her, did you get the impression that she was a skilled prizefighter of some kind?  Why are you bending over backwards to convince people that there are a few women who can defend themselves when it has absolutely nothing to do with why Hunt is currently without a job.  And then you have the nerve to say you deal with how things really are. :whistle:

 
It's a little weird. Kareem Hunt's career might be over for the inexcusable kick of a woman. People lecture in stentorian tones on the nightly news; everybody is upset. People wonder whether this is a problem endemic to the NFL, etc.  Left Eye from TLC burns down a part of Andre Rison's house and people laughed. That's arson. Arson is considered one of the most serious crimes in the world and she got off scot free, IIRC, with a wink-wink and a nudge-nudge.  At the very least, she wasn't prosecuted to the full letter of the arson doctrine.  

How are we allowing double standards like this to persist? I'll hang up and listen.     
Lopes set fire to a pair of shoes and was duly charged and convicted of her crime.

Hunt assaulted a woman.

The fact that you are attempting to equivocate these two things says a lot about you.

 
Nobody will be cracking jokes after the OP reopens the case and has Lisa Lopes posthumously sentenced to life in prison.

 
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Lopes set fire to a pair of shoes and was duly charged and convicted of her crime.

Hunt assaulted a woman.

The fact that you are attempting to equivocate these two things says a lot about you.
Yeah, sure it does.  It says I don't like arson and stories that claim to be above it. How many stores have burned down under similar excuses? Oh, gas leak? The fact that you're duped says a lot about you.

By the title, I thought this would be something interesting, like Kareem Hunt was the lovechild of Lisa Lopes and Andre Rison... instead just the ramblings of a drunk lawyer.
Thanks, you're a real sweetheart. Keep it up!   

 
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How they really are, huh?  This isn't some hypothetical situation or fantasy story or some MMA chick roughing you up.  As you were watching Kareem Hunt in the hallway, two-handed shoving the 19 year-old girl and then kicking her, did you get the impression that she was a skilled prizefighter of some kind?  Why are you bending over backwards to convince people that there are a few women who can defend themselves when it has absolutely nothing to do with why Hunt is currently without a job.  And then you have the nerve to say you deal with how things really are. :whistle:
Aren't you the one talking.....beat up women?  Did we see that, hell no. So how about cooling the BS and deal with some reality, ok? 

A shove and a feeble kick that did nothing.......reality.

ONE MORE TIME

Hunt got pissed off and did something stupid.

Ok?

 
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Aren't you the one talking.....beat up women?  Did we see that, hell no. So how about cooling the BS and deal with some reality, ok? 

A shove and a feeble kick that did nothing.......reality.

ONE MORE TIME

Hunt got pissed off and did something stupid.

Ok?
I get pissed off sometimes too.  Still wouldn't shove and kick a woman. The fact that you're so dismissive of it tells me all I need to know about you. 

 
Lopes set fire to a pair of shoes and was duly charged and convicted of her crime.

Hunt assaulted a woman.

The fact that you are attempting to equivocate these two things says a lot about you.
Yeah, sure it does.  It says I don't like arson and stories that claim to be above it. How many stores have burned down under similar excuses? Oh, gas leak? The fact that you're duped says a lot about you.
Actually I wasn't even talking about whether Lopes intended to burn down Rison's house. I was talking about your inability to distinguish between a property crime and a physical assault. Not to mention your inability to recognize the right of the NFL to run its business.

I won't even get into the subtle hints of sexism and misogyny.

 
I get pissed off sometimes too.  Still wouldn't shove and kick a woman. The fact that you're so dismissive of it tells me all I need to know about you. 
Well then ya must know if I'm around and a man starts getting rough with a woman I;m all over his ###. Men do not mistreat women....ok?

I saw the video, where did Hunt actually hurt this girl, well? YES YES YES AND YES....ya don't play that but just how much damage was actually done there? I didn't see any, did you?

 
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