Kareem Hunt and Left Eye and Andre Rison (1 Viewer)

[ZenoRazon]

Okay, it's kind of time to wrap the thread up. Now we're not discussing even remotely the point of the thread.  

First thing you said was this...

It's a little weird. Kareem Hunt's career might be over for the inexcusable kick of a woman.

Aren't we talking about that?

 

[rockaction]

First thing you said was this...

It's a little weird. Kareem Hunt's career might be over for the inexcusable kick of a woman.

Aren't we talking about that?

Yeah, I guess technically you could talk about the "inexcusable" part of the OP, but the larger point was the media and social media outrage about it as opposed to arson when done by a member of the different sex to a member of the NFL. 

But now you guys are debating a he-said/she-said thing and that wasn't really the point of the original post. I realize the OP is a bit against the grain, but Left Eye did burn Rison's house down, and that shouldn't be forgotten. And all this #### about bankruptcy and that wasn't because she burned his house down, it was because they didn't release an album in forever. The public forgave her right quick.  

 

[ZenoRazon]

Ok, my final say  on this.

Most the time it is totally unacceptable behavior for a man to ever use violence vs a woman. Obviously there are times when that simply isn't true and she is totally capable of dealing with him.  But....rare.

Hunt made it very clear...go away, get lost...that pissed the girl off, she ended up pounding on his door, yelling and punching a friend of his.  Yep, he got pissed and lost his head and did a stupid thing.  BUT...if the girl had left as told to do, none of this would have happened.  We do see her shove a guy, so she was aggressive.

How anyone could......poor baby...?????

Adios~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Ilov80s]

Bro what was that like 25 years ago?

 

[rockaction]

Bro what was that like 25 years ago?

Yeah, it was. But the societal impetus hasn't changed. 

The way we consume news has, but still, she got off scot free. For arson. Provable arson and received probation for it. 

I'm just saying there's a double standard for domestic abuse or intersex abuse. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, it was. But the societal impetus hasn't changed. 

The way we consume news has, but still, she got off scot free. For arson. Provable arson and received probation for it. 

I'm just saying there's a double standard for domestic abuse or intersex abuse. 

Yeah because it came out that Rison was beating the #### out of her regularly. I am pretty sure the court system felt bad for her and saw her as just as much the victim.

 

[Ilov80s]

Also perhaps punishments/consequences in the legal system and puiblic opinion are different for males vs females because the real life impact is different. The amount and severity of the abuse women face from men absolutely dwarves the abuse going the other way. 

 

[rockaction]

Yeah because it came out that Rison was beating the #### out of her regularly. I am pretty sure the court system felt bad for her and saw her as just as much the victim.

She claimed that and he wasn't allowed to really rebut it because of legal considerations, nor did he want to see his girlfriend go to jail. 

She used a legal loophole in criminal law that allows women to claim that with less of an evidentiary standard than most people are held to. It's wrong.   

 

[rockaction]

Also perhaps punishments/consequences in the legal system and puiblic opinion are different for males vs females because the real life impact is different. The amount and severity of the abuse women face from men absolutely dwarves the abuse going the other way. 

The severity is different because men are bigger and stronger, the frequency is debatable.  

 

[Ilov80s]

She claimed that and he wasn't allowed to really rebut it because of legal considerations, nor did he want to see his girlfriend go to jail. 

She used a legal loophole in criminal law that allows women to claim that with less of an evidentiary standard than most people are held to. It's wrong.   

 Not sure about much of it- I was pretty young when it happened. I know he was arrested for beating her up at a Kroger and then firing a gun at people who tried to break it up. Do you know what evidence was it wasn’t presented in her court case? I don’t.

 

[Ilov80s]

The severity is different, the frequency is debatable.  

If you say so. The data and my own personal experiences seem to indicate women are being abused by men at a higher frequency.

 

[rockaction]

It doesn't really matter. She was charged with felony arson and given probation. That's ridiculous. 

And the incident at Kroger's? She was charged with assault also on police.  

I have no doubt Rison was a bad dude. But arson is arson. It's akin to homicide.  

 

[CalBear]

Zero football relevance.

Also incredibly stupid.

Can we get it out of the Shark Pool? @FBG Moderator

 

[rockaction]

If you say so. The data and my own personal experiences seem to indicate women are being abused by men at a higher frequency.

I'd say it goes largely unreported. If you have data, that's cool. I'm amenable to that. I'm not an MRA guy, and I have no doubt women face trials and tribulations about bodily sanctity I'll never have to worry about. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that there's a double standard, and while it might be age-old wisdom, it can be wildly, wildly destructive. 

As is in the case of burning down a house. 

 

[rockaction]

Zero football relevance.

Also incredibly stupid.

Can we get it out of the Shark Pool? @FBG Moderator

Total football relevance in regards to who he signs with.  Sorry you don't like it.  

 

[Bayhawks]

Ok, my final say  on this.

Most the time it is totally unacceptable behavior for a man to ever use violence vs a woman. Obviously there are times when that simply isn't true and she is totally capable of dealing with him.  But....rare.

Hunt made it very clear...go away, get lost...that pissed the girl off, she ended up pounding on his door, yelling and punching a friend of his.  Yep, he got pissed and lost his head and did a stupid thing.  BUT...if the girl had left as told to do, none of this would have happened.  We do see her shove a guy, so she was aggressive.

How anyone could......poor baby...?????

Adios~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Good god man.  She DID leave!  She was out of the apartment/hotel room when he attacked her.  The alleged punch to the face occurred in the room, which is why it isn’t on video (or because it didn’t actually happen).  So, after she left ( which is “all she had to do,” as you’ve stated many times), she was knocking on his door.  The appropriate response when someone is knocking on your door and you want them to leave?  Call the cops, not race outside and attack her.  And she was aggressive? Because we saw her shove a guy?  But he wasn’t aggressive when he raced down a hallway and tried to run her over, knocking her and a grown man down in doing so?  Wow.

 

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[rockaction]

Mods, feel free to move. This was supposed to be a discussion about the sociopolitical and media ramifications of Kareem Hunt and potential landing spots and didn't go that way, which I should have known. It's nobody's fault; inflamed passions ruled the day. Feel free to move to a more appropriate forum.  

 

[BassNBrew]

Yeah, there's a bit of apples to oranges to this but not only are the pecuniary ramifications different, the coverage of it was different. Lopes was seen as sort of an aggrieved bad ### while Kareem Hunt is being portrayed as a troglodyte. 

I'm going to be very up front about this. I think the #metoo movement sucks, and that women have been getting away with domestic violence for far too long. She got five years probation for arson? I read New York's statute and passed the bar in New York so I'll admit it's weird. But she burned his house down by starting a fire and only got five years probation? What the hell is that?  She kept her career and her dollars and her pop culture reverence. 

She could have killed a whole lot of people by doing that. Fires spread. That's why states have strict arson laws.  

The NFL and Hunt is getting a bum deal in this case because of TMZ. I'm no defender of "THE SHIELD," but this sucks.  

I once had a tenant call me from jail to tell me his rent would be late because he tried to burn down his mom's house in the rain.

 

[cockroach]

Lots of people (Okay, maybe just you) are deliberately ignoring the fact the when this happened, Lopes faced similar types of reactions as Hunt did (when you factor in the differences in social media & news reporting between the 2 time periods)

THIS THIS THIS!

The premises to this thread is so false and the reference to Lopez so stale there is no point to this thread and nothing to be gleaned.  

 

[Gally]

Lol.  So you can think of circumstances that it was acceptable for Hunt to shove and kick the 19 year old girl?  Tells me a lot about your character.

I never said what he did was acceptable.  I said the first thing I would want are the facts.  It is never inappropriate to want facts for a situation. 

Jumping to conclusions on anything is bad when you don't have the facts.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Done. If you want to talk Football, do it here. If you want to do what most of you did for the last 4 pages, please find another board to talk about it.