Katrina (2 Viewers)

[Joe Bryant]

I don't much care for that Shepherd guy on FOX but the stuff with him tonight was just disheartening. People wading out of the neighborhoods to the higher ground of a bridge overpass. Just sitting in the sun with no shade, no water and no idea of what to do next. But those are the luckier ones.J

 

[Tiger Fan]

TF, leaving now to go buy some things so that we're not running around too much tomorrow... just getting on the road. Call or PM the info to me here or at the bus.

Apparently the PM's really do work at the bus, even with the error message. I thought that was just schtick, but then Tat sent me a PM about me cancelling my WCOFF trip.

I really appreciate it

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Did anyone else notice the change in the tone of the broadcasts tonight regarding how the rescue and relief effort has been handled? This is really going to get ugly.One key question that I want to know is what was done just prior to the hurricane hitting to be ready to mobilize the area and rescue people?

 

[Capella]

A HUGE thanks goes to CGRdrJoe. I only know Joe through :11: - but for those who don't know, Joe is in the Coast Guard and is in Alexandria at the Coast Guard Command Center.

Today, my wife got a call from one of her good friends. Her father and 4 members of her family are trapped in the 2nd floor/attic of their house.

Here is a link of her father waving a t-shirt out of the house (3rd picture down)

I called Joe and gave him the address of our friend and he asked me to obtain other critical information and he forwarded it on to the proper people in New Orleans. I'm not sure what will come out of it, but I really appreciate everything that Joe did.

See? And Shick hates the cliques around here.

 

[Tiger Fan]

A HUGE thanks goes to CGRdrJoe.  I only know Joe through :11: - but for those who don't know, Joe is in the Coast Guard and is in Alexandria at the Coast Guard Command Center. 

Today, my wife got a call from one of her good friends.  Her father and 4 members of her family are trapped in the 2nd floor/attic of their house.

Here is a link of her father waving a t-shirt out of the house (3rd picture down)

I called Joe and gave him the address of our friend and he asked me to obtain other critical information and he forwarded it on to the proper people in New Orleans.  I'm not sure what will come out of it, but I really appreciate everything that Joe did. 

See? And Shick hates the cliques around here.

Dead serious - thanks to Mexican and Jeep.

 

[pgreenfan]

My mom lives in Dallas and just called me to tell me that she is taking in 2 families 5 people total from New Orleans. She called Carswell AFB in Fort Worth to ask if they knew of any families from the bases in New Orleans who needed a place to stay. One of the guys who works in the ID office there wife and son live in New Orleans and had evacuated to Shreveport, numbers were exchanged and my mom got a call from the wife. The guys wife evacuated with a friend of hers who worked on the base in the barber or beauty shop and she didn't want to seperate at this point so my mom told her she could take her and her 3 daughters in as well. My mom said she wanted to do something more on a personal level as opposed to just donating money to Red Cross. She made a couple of phone calls to other friends of hers in Dallas and got the kids and mom's tickets to Six Flags and one of friends is going to try to get them set up with clothes. Big thumbs up for my mom.... she made me proud.Just wanted to add I am not bashing donating to the red cross at all, I think that is awesome as well.

 

[whoknew]

My mom lives in Dallas and just called me to tell me that she is taking in 2 families 5 people total from New Orleans. She called Carswell AFB in Fort Worth to ask if they knew of any families from the bases in New Orleans who needed a place to stay. One of the guys who works in the ID office there wife and son live in New Orleans and had evacuated to Shreveport, numbers were exchanged and my mom got a call from the wife. The guys wife evacuated with a friend of hers who worked on the base in the barber or beauty shop and she didn't want to seperate at this point so my mom told her she could take her and her 3 daughters in as well.

My mom said she wanted to do something more on a personal level as opposed to just donating money to Red Cross. She made a couple of phone calls to other friends of hers in Dallas and got the kids and mom's tickets to Six Flags and one of friends is going to try to get them set up with clothes. Big thumbs up for my mom.... she made me proud.

 

[Tiger Fan]

My mom lives in Dallas and just called me to tell me that she is taking in 2 families 5 people total from New Orleans. She called Carswell AFB in Fort Worth to ask if they knew of any families from the bases in New Orleans who needed a place to stay. One of the guys who works in the ID office there wife and son live in New Orleans and had evacuated to Shreveport, numbers were exchanged and my mom got a call from the wife. The guys wife evacuated with a friend of hers who worked on the base in the barber or beauty shop and she didn't want to seperate at this point so my mom told her she could take her and her 3 daughters in as well.

My mom said she wanted to do something more on a personal level as opposed to just donating money to Red Cross. She made a couple of phone calls to other friends of hers in Dallas and got the kids and mom's tickets to Six Flags and one of friends is going to try to get them set up with clothes. Big thumbs up for my mom.... she made me proud.

Just wanted to add I am not bashing donating to the red cross at all, I think that is awesome as well.

 

[Philly Sports Dude]

Seven people stayed on Grande Isle, a barrier island on the coast. The island is still there but not those 7. No one knows what happened to them. Washed out to sea I'm sure.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/083105c...l.45b559c0.html

By Sunday, as Katrina bore down on the coast, all but five people had evacuated the island.

"I've lived here 30 years, and I never left the island for a hurricane before," Mr. Besson said. "But I left for this one."

All five survived the storm and have been accounted for, Mr. Besson said.

At least that is what WWLTV has reported on their site. Maybe those people are actually okay.

 

[Genedoc]

If they actually do bring in the military to help keep the peace and relieve the coast guard and reserves to rescue survivors, how will they get in?  Is there still roads to get in and out or will they have to come in via helicopter?

From what I am hearing, the looters are shoooting at the coast guard helicopters

Really? How sad and disappointing.

They are just tryin' to survive. Good Times. Ain't we lucky we got 'em?

Subtle, #######.

 

[pgreenfan]

If they actually do bring in the military to help keep the peace and relieve the coast guard and reserves to rescue survivors, how will they get in?  Is there still roads to get in and out or will they have to come in via helicopter?

From what I am hearing, the looters are shoooting at the coast guard helicopters

Really? How sad and disappointing.

They are just tryin' to survive. Good Times. Ain't we lucky we got 'em?

Subtle, #######.

It really does amaze what some people get away with when others get the boot for far less around here at times.

 

[Drifter]

FOX repoter Jeremy Olshan is reporting gangs roaming the city with AK47's stolen from gun stores. Says in his opinion, police have lost control of the city.

J

Sounds like something out of Escape From New York.Nothing like a catastrophe to bring out both the depravity and saintliness of man.

 

[Otis]

Holy crap, 55 pages and going strong. People are wandering the streets with AK47s??

 

[Tiger Fan]

A HUGE thanks goes to CGRdrJoe. I only know Joe through :11: - but for those who don't know, Joe is in the Coast Guard and is in Alexandria at the Coast Guard Command Center.

Today, my wife got a call from one of her good friends. Her father and 4 members of her family are trapped in the 2nd floor/attic of their house.

Here is a link of her father waving a t-shirt out of the house (3rd picture down)

I called Joe and gave him the address of our friend and he asked me to obtain other critical information and he forwarded it on to the proper people in New Orleans. I'm not sure what will come out of it, but I really appreciate everything that Joe did.

Good news - the family is rescued. Not sure if MexiJoe had anything to do with this, but either way I am grateful.Just called Joe and he said he was happy but had to run into a meeting saying things were "very hectic"

Keep praying

 

[whoknew]

A HUGE thanks goes to CGRdrJoe.  I only know Joe through :11: - but for those who don't know, Joe is in the Coast Guard and is in Alexandria at the Coast Guard Command Center. 

Today, my wife got a call from one of her good friends.  Her father and 4 members of her family are trapped in the 2nd floor/attic of their house.

Here is a link of her father waving a t-shirt out of the house (3rd picture down)

I called Joe and gave him the address of our friend and he asked me to obtain other critical information and he forwarded it on to the proper people in New Orleans.  I'm not sure what will come out of it, but I really appreciate everything that Joe did. 

Good news - the family is rescued. Not sure if MexiJoe had anything to do with this, but either way I am grateful.Just called Joe and he said he was happy but had to run into a meeting saying things were "very hectic"

Keep praying

TF - Terrific news! Great to hear it.Let's pray that others are as lucky.

 

[TheLaw]

If they actually do bring in the military to help keep the peace and relieve the coast guard and reserves to rescue survivors, how will they get in?  Is there still roads to get in and out or will they have to come in via helicopter?

From what I am hearing, the looters are shoooting at the coast guard helicopters

Really? How sad and disappointing.

They are just tryin' to survive. Good Times. Ain't we lucky we got 'em?

Subtle, #######.

It really does amaze what some people get away with when others get the boot for far less around here at times.

For real, racist undertones anyone?

 

[pgreenfan]

If they actually do bring in the military to help keep the peace and relieve the coast guard and reserves to rescue survivors, how will they get in?  Is there still roads to get in and out or will they have to come in via helicopter?

From what I am hearing, the looters are shoooting at the coast guard helicopters

Really? How sad and disappointing.

They are just tryin' to survive. Good Times. Ain't we lucky we got 'em?

Subtle, #######.

It really does amaze what some people get away with when others get the boot for far less around here at times.

For real, racist undertones anyone?

There are a couple of peope that have done this on different occasions and it really surprises me that it is allowed to slide.

 

[aardball44]

Hard to imagine how many years of work have just been completely wiped out in one day.

BTW, this live feed is very informative, if you're not watching you're missing out. http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmP...&props=livenoad

This link is worth a bump. Thanks for posting it earlier, Taylor.

 

[J-Co]

Could people give the 'r' word a rest for f's sake?

 

[woodyb97]

did I hear correctly that maybe 80,000 dead? TIA

 

[J-Co]

did I hear correctly that maybe 80,000 dead? TIA

I can't imagine that is true. That would be about 20% of New Orleans and supposedly most people evacuated. Other areas were impacted too but the populations were much smaller.At least I hope I understand it right.

Really is upseting how we went from expecting the worst to thinking we dodged a major bullet and now it sounds like it was almost as bad as we feared to begin with. Just makes it that much more bitter, and obviously a whole hell of a lot worse for people directly affected than me sitting high and dry.

 

[pgreenfan]

Could people give the 'r' word a rest for f's sake?

Sure just as soon as people stop making comments that are ....

 

[woodyb97]

did I hear correctly that maybe 80,000 dead?  TIA

I can't imagine that is true. That would be about 20% of New Orleans and supposedly most people evacuated. Other areas were impacted too but the populations were much smaller.At least I hope I understand it right.

Really is upseting how we went from expecting the worst to thinking we dodged a major bullet and now it sounds like it was almost as bad as we feared to begin with. Just makes it that much more bitter, and obviously a whole hell of a lot worse for people directly affected than me sitting high and dry.

I heard this on the news, but have my doubts as to their source.

 

[J-Co]

Could people give the 'r' word a rest for f's sake? 

Sure just as soon as people stop making comments that are ....

I haven't read the last 30 pages or so but there's nothing like that on this page. You're searching between the lines for something that isn't there. Not trying to call anyone out in particular, I just don't understand why people want to throw that word around so damn much right now over petty b.s. when so many of our neighbors' live have been turned upside down and probably many of them lost entirely.

 

[Genedoc]

Could people give the 'r' word a rest for f's sake?  

Sure just as soon as people stop making comments that are ....

I haven't read the last 30 pages or so but there's nothing like that on this page. You're searching between the lines for something that isn't there. Not trying to call anyone out in particular, I just don't understand why people want to throw that word around so damn much right now over petty b.s. when so many of our neighbors' live have been turned upside down and probably many of them lost entirely.

Whatever. BSR was blatantly clear in his implication - ignore the obvious if you so chose. Would it make sense to you if I quoted "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" and then claimed it had nothing to do with US Constitution? That'd be ludicrous, and so is defending BSR's statement.

 

[pgreenfan]

Could people give the 'r' word a rest for f's sake?  

Sure just as soon as people stop making comments that are ....

I haven't read the last 30 pages or so but there's nothing like that on this page. You're searching between the lines for something that isn't there. Not trying to call anyone out in particular, I just don't understand why people want to throw that word around so damn much right now over petty b.s. when so many of our neighbors' live have been turned upside down and probably many of them lost entirely.

Whatever. BSR was blatantly clear in his implication - ignore the obvious if you so chose. Would it make sense to you if I quoted "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" and then claimed it had nothing to do with US Constitution? That'd be ludicrous, and so is defending BSR's statement.

Genedoc,I think this is going to fall into the category of wrong place wrong time. This thread although I contributed to the issue needs to not be about what we view as racist comments but about the troubles that the people of the Gulf Coast are going through at this time.

 

[The_Hunchback]

Guys if you have a problem with it take them to pm otherwise shut up about it and let the thread be what it is.

 

[jplvr]

You want me to say it? I haven't seen one white person looting. Maybe it's just the networks trying to #### over the black man again , but maybe it's just because there aren't many if at all. Urbanhack posted 2 pictures with 2 totally different captions of what looked like the same thing happening although the races were different. I don't know... maybe if this happened in redneck Alabama where the population was mostly white, we'd have the same situation. I wouldn't bet on it though. Dance around it all you want to... have me banned if you'd like because I'm not going to be around here for days at least, but if you're a black person pissed off at the situation unfolding, maybe it's time to stop calling people racist and start talking about what a bunch of idiots there are running around the flooded streets of New Orleans. Don't tell me about how they want to get out either. They're already walking around flooded streets, so that possible fear is negated, and they're not walking towards areas to get out either. They're staying there, causing havoc, and even shooting at the Coast Guard helicopters. Harassing hopitals and their fellow survivors, and stealing from the people that probably worried about all the people that couldn't get out in the first place. With that being said, people aren't going "less crazy" here in B'ham. Apparently Atlanta started a gas scare this afternoon which has spilled over to here. Not a gas can to be found in town as just about every fool (maybe smart... I don't know at this point) that could get there early, has bought more than their share (most likely) and filled them up. I think I have enough gas to get me to Biloxi and back, but I'm really not sure. My friend left Hawaii at 4 pm his time this afternoon and should get here at 11 am CDT. I'm going regardless. Really not sure what to expect on getting back.TF, I have all the information. I'm sure I can get to his mom's house, and if so, it will be nothing to get to the house where your grandmother rode it out. I plan on coming back Saturday, leaving my friend down there. Hopefully I'll be able to get a call out before Saturday, but at the very least, I plan on giving you a report on the way back.My mom's preacher's sister lost her house. I believe she's coming up here to live at our lakehouse. I'm single with a big 3 BR house. Wouldn't be surprised if I ended up with roommates, the way things are looking.I just hope this crap is all over sooner rather than later. I know the coast is going to take a while to rebuild, but I'm just talking about the affect this is starting to have on the rest of the country (at least this region). Kind of hard to help the coast rebuild if you're not sure what the hell is going to happen in your own life. I would love to go help every weekend until I just pass out from fatigue, but if I have to wonder whether or not I'll even be able to get home, I highly doubt I'll be making any more trips.I'm hoping I know more tomorrow. It's kind of hard to know what is even going on because the officials that are supposedly handling the situation don't seem to have a clue themselves.

 

[Tiger Fan]

TF, I have all the information. I'm sure I can get to his mom's house, and if so, it will be nothing to get to the house where your grandmother rode it out. I plan on coming back Saturday, leaving my friend down there. Hopefully I'll be able to get a call out before Saturday, but at the very least, I plan on giving you a report on the way back.

My mom's preacher's sister lost her house. I believe she's coming up here to live at our lakehouse. I'm single with a big 3 BR house. Wouldn't be surprised if I ended up with roommates, the way things are looking.

I just hope this crap is all over sooner rather than later. I know the coast is going to take a while to rebuild, but I'm just talking about the affect this is starting to have on the rest of the country (at least this region). Kind of hard to help the coast rebuild if you're not sure what the hell is going to happen in your own life. I would love to go help every weekend until I just pass out from fatigue, but if I have to wonder whether or not I'll even be able to get home, I highly doubt I'll be making any more trips.

I'm hoping I know more tomorrow. It's kind of hard to know what is even going on because the officials that are supposedly handling the situation don't seem to have a clue themselves.

Thanks GB

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

If they actually do bring in the military to help keep the peace and relieve the coast guard and reserves to rescue survivors, how will they get in?  Is there still roads to get in and out or will they have to come in via helicopter?

From what I am hearing, the looters are shoooting at the coast guard helicopters

Really? How sad and disappointing.

They are just tryin' to survive. Good Times. Ain't we lucky we got 'em?

Subtle, #######.

It really does amaze what some people get away with when others get the boot for far less around here at times.

For real, racist undertones anyone?

There are a couple of peope that have done this on different occasions and it really surprises me that it is allowed to slide.

yep, nothing like a situation like this to bring out the inner bigot in some folks.I have been surprised and have lost respect for some posters and even the mods, as a result.

edit to add: this my last word on the subject in the NO/Katrina threads. I've stated my opinion.

 

[NCCommish]

An email attributed to a rescue worker:

There are dead animals floating in the water, pets left behind. Surely people thought they would be back to collect the pets. Not so. The rescuers smell like gas when they come back in; there's gas in all of the water that consumes the area. Fires are burning all over the place. Our teams are tired and they are thirsty and they are hungry. And they have a place to sleep and water to drink and food to eat. I can only imagine how the people without these "luxuries" are feeling right now. Each night will be a race against time. When night falls, people can't get picked up from roofs, the rescuers can't chop into people's roofs to check the attics for anyone alive or for anyone dead (sadly, there are dead). At night we can't see power lines we can't see obstacles, we can't see any of the things that will bring down a helicopter or pose a danger to boats rescuers. One of the teams came in today after having been out for hours at a time. One particular rescuer went straight to a corner and collapsed into tears. I went directly to him and just held his hand. What else could I do? I said nothing. He said it all. They lowered him 26 times and he pulled 26 people to safety. He wants to be back out there but there are mandatory rest periods. His tears are tears of frustration. Entire teams are working on nothing but evacuating the hospitals. All four of the major hospitals are beginning to flood. Critical patients have to get out or surely they will be lost. Generators cannot run forever; that's just the way it is. There are limited facilities to take those that are rescued and those that need to be evacuated. Anything that leaves by air leaves by helicopter. There are no runways for planes that aren't under water. Only one drivable way in and out. Water everywhere and more keeps coming. Until they can do something about the three levees that are broken, more water will come and more water will kill. The water poses major health threats. Anyone with even a small open cut is prone to infection. Anyone who touches this water and touches his eyes, nose or mouth without find a way to "clean" himself first will be sick with stomach problems before long. It's bad and it's getting worse. It's not going to be anything better than devastating for days or weeks at best. I wish I could tell you that I'll check in again soon. I can't. I don't know when my next message will get out. We'll be leaving where we are within just an hour or so.

 

[Tiger Fan]

An email attributed to a rescue worker:

There are dead animals floating in the water, pets left behind. Surely people thought they would be back to collect the pets. Not so. The rescuers smell like gas when they come back in; there's gas in all of the water that consumes the area. Fires are burning all over the place. Our teams are tired and they are thirsty and they are hungry. And they have a place to sleep and water to drink and food to eat. I can only imagine how the people without these "luxuries" are feeling right now.

Each night will be a race against time. When night falls, people can't get picked up from roofs, the rescuers can't chop into people's roofs to check the attics for anyone alive or for anyone dead (sadly, there are dead). At night we can't see power lines we can't see obstacles, we can't see any of the things that will bring down a helicopter or pose a danger to boats rescuers.

One of the teams came in today after having been out for hours at a time. One particular rescuer went straight to a corner and collapsed into tears. I went directly to him and just held his hand. What else could I do? I said nothing. He said it all. They lowered him 26 times and he pulled 26 people to safety. He wants to be back out there but there are mandatory rest periods. His tears are tears of frustration.

Entire teams are working on nothing but evacuating the hospitals. All four of the major hospitals are beginning to flood. Critical patients have to get out or surely they will be lost. Generators cannot run forever; that's just the way it is. There are limited facilities to take those that are rescued and those that need to be evacuated. Anything that leaves by air leaves by helicopter. There are no runways for planes that aren't under water. Only one drivable way in and out.

Water everywhere and more keeps coming. Until they can do something about the three levees that are broken, more water will come and more water will kill. The water poses major health threats. Anyone with even a small open cut is prone to infection. Anyone who touches this water and touches his eyes, nose or mouth without find a way to "clean" himself first will be sick with stomach problems before long. It's bad and it's getting worse. It's not going to be anything better than devastating for days or weeks at best.

I wish I could tell you that I'll check in again soon. I can't. I don't know when my next message will get out. We'll be leaving where we are within just an hour or so.

thanks

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

There is blatant racism in this thread. It is from those that "expect" looting from Blacks. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it: Looting, thievery, and treachery has its own a culture. It is expected for them and expected from them. It is found in Detroit when the city wins a title, it is found in LA when there is anger, Las Vegas win there is an excuse, and now it is found in devastation. To have expected any different was foolish of me.

The "culture" you ask? "Isn't that code" you want to know? Not code, but if it makes you feel better sure...OK. In fact, it is that excusable group from which we expect no better and who many want society to adapt around group.

Many here wanted to talk about "survival." "They are doin' it out of survival" is often heard. STOP IT! JUST BECAUSE THE ONES WE SAW WERE BLACK DOES NOT MEAN IT IS TO BE CONDONED, "UNDERSTOOD," OR RELATED TO. IT IS WRONG TO STEAL...FOR EVERYONE!!! QUIT BEING SO MEALY-MOUTHED BECAUSE YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING. IT IS MADNESS AND IT IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST FORM OF BIGOTRY TO EXPECT LESS OF AN ENTIRE FLIPPIN' RACE.

Blacks are looting. Are others? Undoubtedly. To the same extent? C'mon. I mean it, just come the #### on! One of you weak sisters just say it and go further to say it is just plain wrong without the "yeah buts" and get past it.

It is really quite simple. There is a culture of treachery that transcends ethnicity, race, and faith. It is what gives Juan, Johnny, and Juwahna more in common than the superficial race, ethnicity, and religion that so many here and in society hang on to as "valuable demographic information." Any of the three (and I could go on with more groups) would not be anyone you would want to rely on, entrust valuables to, or have your family live near. It is called Ghetto culture by some. I think that's code myself. AKA barrio culture by others...same code, different group. White trash by others. OK, so the code there is not so subtle.

Anyhoo, they are pandered to by politicians , explained by professorial types , manipulated by civil rights leaders (NAACP, MAPA, John Birch), BUT MOST OF ALL...EXCUSED BY POLITE FOLKS WHO WILL NEVER, EVER, EVAH, BE ABLE TO RESOLVE ISSUES involving race, crime, disparity of income, or heterogenous societies. The next time a race-baiter posts about a double standard and every lilly in the place lines up behind them to show how Lincolnesque they are by mindlessly nodding until their neck breaks, remember that you are generalizing how whites are a hateful and ignorant group. Some of my best friends are white and I take offense (In concession to that group, I refuse to capitalize "white).

My comment was in response to those who would condemn white trash for similar actions but couldn't quite get themselves to say that the looting was for anything other than survival. Unlike many here, I can honestly say that I treat everyone strictly by their actions...period. No favoritism, no gullibility, no giving a damn about why someone pleased or displeased me, no care as to what their folks do for a living.

I have made similar comments referring to banjo music when dealing with southerners being stupid. I have made similar comments referring to pedophilia when dealing with Catholics being dogmatic. Mormons? C'mon...too easy.

So for those of you wondering why I have not been banned...it is because there'd just be too damned few folks left here if followed to its logical conclusion. The fact that I am a "pardon me for noticing" racist may also have something to do with it. I am sure none of the mods like it so I am gonna bug out of this thread and let you guys have the floor. I was just told by my better half that this thread is a serious apolitical one. I just popped in and popped off. Sorry about my comment in that regard only.

I wonder if the Blacks in shelters want their assailants to be "cut some slack" because of their "circumstances?" I doubt it. Nice code though. Mind if I use it?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Is there any means or point of offering to volunteer in person in the region? I don't have many specific skills, but I'm able bodied and these damn people need some able bodies it looks like. I'll do what needs doing, but I'd really like to see all hands on deck to start this cleanup. This is absolutely heartbreaking to see, and it's starting to annoy me to do nothing but watch.

 

[Capella]

There is blatant racism in this thread. It is from those that "expect" looting from Blacks. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it: Looting, thievery, and treachery has its own a culture. It is expected for them and expected from them. It is found in Detroit when the city wins a title, it is found in LA when there is anger, Las Vegas win there is an excuse, and now it is found in devastation. To have expected any different was foolish of me.

The "culture" you ask? "Isn't that code" you want to know? Not code, but if it makes you feel better sure...OK. In fact, it is that excusable group from which we expect no better and who many want society to adapt around group.

Many here wanted to talk about "survival." "They are doin' it out of survival" is often heard. STOP IT! JUST BECAUSE THE ONES WE SAW WERE BLACK DOES NOT MEAN IT IS TO BE CONDONED, "UNDERSTOOD," OR RELATED TO. IT IS WRONG TO STEAL...FOR EVERYONE!!! QUIT BEING SO MEALY-MOUTHED BECAUSE YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING. IT IS MADNESS AND IT IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST FORM OF BIGOTRY TO EXPECT LESS OF AN ENTIRE FLIPPIN' RACE.

Blacks are looting. Are others? Undoubtedly. To the same extent? C'mon. I mean it, just come the #### on! One of you weak sisters just say it and go further to say it is just plain wrong without the "yeah buts" and get past it.

It is really quite simple. There is a culture of treachery that transcends ethnicity, race, and faith. It is what gives Juan, Johnny, and Juwahna more in common than the superficial race, ethnicity, and religion that so many here and in society hang on to as "valuable demographic information." Any of the three (and I could go on with more groups) would not be anyone you would want to rely on, entrust valuables to, or have your family live near. It is called Ghetto culture by some. I think that's code myself. AKA barrio culture by others...same code, different group. White trash by others. OK, so the code there is not so subtle.

Anyhoo, they are pandered to by politicians , explained by professorial types , manipulated by civil rights leaders (NAACP, MAPA, John Birch), BUT MOST OF ALL...EXCUSED BY POLITE FOLKS WHO WILL NEVER, EVER, EVAH, BE ABLE TO RESOLVE ISSUES involving race, crime, disparity of income, or heterogenous societies. The next time a race-baiter posts about a double standard and every lilly in the place lines up behind them to show how Lincolnesque they are by mindlessly nodding until their neck breaks, remember that you are generalizing how whites are a hateful and ignorant group. Some of my best friends are white and I take offense (In concession to that group, I refuse to capitalize "white).

My comment was in response to those who would condemn white trash for similar actions but couldn't quite get themselves to say that the looting was for anything other than survival. Unlike many here, I can honestly say that I treat everyone strictly by their actions...period. No favoritism, no gullibility, no giving a damn about why someone pleased or displeased me, no care as to what their folks do for a living.

I have made similar comments referring to banjo music when dealing with southerners being stupid. I have made similar comments referring to pedophilia when dealing with Catholics being dogmatic. Mormons? C'mon...too easy.

So for those of you wondering why I have not been banned...it is because there'd just be too damned few folks left here if followed to its logical conclusion. The fact that I am a "pardon me for noticing" racist may also have something to do with it. I am sure none of the mods like it so I am gonna bug out of this thread and let you guys have the floor. I was just told by my better half that this thread is a serious apolitical one. I just popped in and popped off. Sorry about my comment in that regard only.

I wonder if the Blacks in shelters want their assailants to be "cut some slack" because of their "circumstances?" I doubt it. Nice code though. Mind if I use it?

 

[Tiger Fan]

Is there any means or point of offering to volunteer in person in the region? I don't have many specific skills, but I'm able bodied and these damn people need some able bodies it looks like. I'll do what needs doing, but I'd really like to see all hands on deck to start this cleanup. This is absolutely heartbreaking to see, and it's starting to annoy me to do nothing but watch.

NY/NJ - I seriously doubt they are taking civilian volunteers in new orleans right now. It is getting very dangerous for law enforcement to operate in the city.There might be some need of people in Baton Rouge, where alot of civilians who are injured are being taken (specifically to LSU).

If I can find out any info, I will post in this thread.

Thanks for your concern.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Is there any means or point of offering to volunteer in person in the region?  I don't have many specific skills, but I'm able bodied and these damn people need some able bodies it looks like.  I'll do what needs doing, but I'd really like to see all hands on deck to start this cleanup.  This is absolutely heartbreaking to see, and it's starting to annoy me to do nothing but watch.

NY/NJ - I seriously doubt they are taking civilian volunteers in new orleans right now. It is getting very dangerous for law enforcement to operate in the city.There might be some need of people in Baton Rouge, where alot of civilians who are injured are being taken (specifically to LSU).

If I can find out any info, I will post in this thread.

Thanks for your concern.

LinkUpdates made 8/31/05

.The Department of Health and Hospitals is seeking experienced medical professionals, such as doctors and nurses, to assist in Louisiana's recovery efforts following Hurricane Katrina. If you are a licensed medical professional who can offer assistance, please contact the DHH medical personnel contact number, 225-763-5740. A DHH representative will determine where your experience will be needed most as recovery efforts continue. For more health and safety information, visit www.dhhemergencynews.com.

The Maddox Fieldhouse on the LSU Campus is being used as a special needs shelter. Currently, the shelter is in need of men’s, women’s, and children’s shoes. Also, there is a need of men’s pants, sizes 36 or larger; and men’s shirts in sizes large and up. As of 1:20 p.m., August 31, 2005, a list of people in the Maddox Fieldhouse Shelter and in the PMAC have not been made available. Officials are working on treating those individuals and will provide a list of names as soon as possible.

Reporting Missing Persons – 225-925-6626

Animal Evacuation and Recovery Plan for New Orleans

General Information

NOLA.com (Everything New Orleans) – www.nola.com

Status/Whereabouts of LSU Students – 225-578-8607 (Office of Student Life & Academic Services)

University of New Orleans (UNO) and LSU Health Sciences Center (LSUHSC) Information

Xavier University 1-866-520-9852

Southeastern Louisiana University in Hammond and Nicholls State University in Thibodaux

Emergency Agencies

Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) –1-800-621-3362, www.fema.org.

American Red Cross – www.RedCross.org

Alexandria – 800-841-5778

Baton Rouge – 800-349-1372

Lafayette – 800-901-3210

Shreveport – 800-841-5776

Monroe – 866-280-7287

Lake Charles – 866-280-2711

Louisiana Homeland Security – www.ohsep.louisiana.gov

East Baton Rouge Parish Emergency Info – brgov.com/emergency

Emergency Phone Numbers, Shelters, and Evacuation Information – batonrouge.lastormwatch.com

Road Closures – www.lsp.org/roadandincident.nsf

Special Needs Shelters – www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=37774049

Mississippi Emergency Management Agency (MEMA) – 1-800-445-6362, www.msema.org

Blood Centers

Baton Rouge Blood Center – 225-819-9590 or 800-86-BLOOD (1-800-862-5663)

United Blood Services – 225-769-7233 or 800-421-8218

Our Lady of the Lake Regional Blood Bank – 225-765-8843

Donations and Volunteers

Katrnia Volunteer Hotline – www.lsu.edu/volunteer, 225-578-7688

Baton Rouge Area Foundation – www.braf.org

St. Vincent de Paul – 225-383-7837

Red Cross – 1-800-HELPNOW (1-800-435-7669), in Baton Rouge 268-0323

Boat Donations – 1-800-442-2511

Licensed medical professionals who can offer assistance, please contact the DHH medical personnel contact number, 225-763-5740. A DHH representative will determine where your experience will be needed most as recovery efforts continue. For more health and safety information, visit www.dhhemergencynews.com.

To house a family who has evacuated or lost their home, please call the State of Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness, 225-389-2100.

Animal Shelters and Information

Alexandria, Louisiana - Large & Small Animals - 1-318-442-4222

Lamar Dixon, Gonzales, Louisiana - Large Animals

Shreveport, Louisiana - LSU-S - Pets only, no livestock

Animal Evacuation and Recovery Plan for New Orleans

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Is there any means or point of offering to volunteer in person in the region?  I don't have many specific skills, but I'm able bodied and these damn people need some able bodies it looks like.  I'll do what needs doing, but I'd really like to see all hands on deck to start this cleanup.  This is absolutely heartbreaking to see, and it's starting to annoy me to do nothing but watch.

NY/NJ - I seriously doubt they are taking civilian volunteers in new orleans right now. It is getting very dangerous for law enforcement to operate in the city.There might be some need of people in Baton Rouge, where alot of civilians who are injured are being taken (specifically to LSU).

If I can find out any info, I will post in this thread.

Thanks for your concern.

My prayers are with you. Everyday I think I have somewhat of a handle of the scope of this, and every day and every hour the news gets worse to the point of where I'm choking back tears reading some of these emails. NYC got a big boost from around the country on 9/11, but even then, despite the death and dramatic impact to life, it was comparatively contained geographically. This is so widespread, it boggles the mind. I've never really felt compelled to contribute in this manner, but this is literally a city at stake and it's heartbreaking.

God bless Tiger and all LA and MISS board members, just hang in there, it has to get better(I hope).

 

[Tiger Fan]

Is there any means or point of offering to volunteer in person in the region?  I don't have many specific skills, but I'm able bodied and these damn people need some able bodies it looks like.  I'll do what needs doing, but I'd really like to see all hands on deck to start this cleanup.  This is absolutely heartbreaking to see, and it's starting to annoy me to do nothing but watch.

NY/NJ - I seriously doubt they are taking civilian volunteers in new orleans right now. It is getting very dangerous for law enforcement to operate in the city.There might be some need of people in Baton Rouge, where alot of civilians who are injured are being taken (specifically to LSU).

If I can find out any info, I will post in this thread.

Thanks for your concern.

My prayers are with you. Everyday I think I have somewhat of a handle of the scope of this, and every day and every hour the news gets worse to the point of where I'm choking back tears reading some of these emails. NYC got a big boost from around the country on 9/11, but even then, despite the death and dramatic impact to life, it was comparatively contained geographically. This is so widespread, it boggles the mind. I've never really felt compelled to contribute in this manner, but this is literally a city at stake and it's heartbreaking.

God bless Tiger and all LA and MISS board members, just hang in there, it has to get better(I hope).

thanks bro

 

[themikus]

Is there any means or point of offering to volunteer in person in the region?  I don't have many specific skills, but I'm able bodied and these damn people need some able bodies it looks like.  I'll do what needs doing, but I'd really like to see all hands on deck to start this cleanup.  This is absolutely heartbreaking to see, and it's starting to annoy me to do nothing but watch.

NY/NJ - I seriously doubt they are taking civilian volunteers in new orleans right now. It is getting very dangerous for law enforcement to operate in the city.There might be some need of people in Baton Rouge, where alot of civilians who are injured are being taken (specifically to LSU).

If I can find out any info, I will post in this thread.

Thanks for your concern.

My prayers are with you. Everyday I think I have somewhat of a handle of the scope of this, and every day and every hour the news gets worse to the point of where I'm choking back tears reading some of these emails. NYC got a big boost from around the country on 9/11, but even then, despite the death and dramatic impact to life, it was comparatively contained geographically. This is so widespread, it boggles the mind. I've never really felt compelled to contribute in this manner, but this is literally a city at stake and it's heartbreaking.

God bless Tiger and all LA and MISS board members, just hang in there, it has to get better(I hope).

thanks bro

ditto, man

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

This has truely been the worst day of my life. Everything keeps gettign worse by the minute.

Just found out that 3 people who hang out in our group didn't evacuate and we haven't heard from them yet.

I feel for you bro. This is a painful time. Keep the faith.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

I'm taking a backseat for a while working on Fema stuff for my staff & trying to keep my group informed through my website. I will check in on threads from time to time, but need to focus on my buds for a couple of days.

 

[PocketPasser]

They just reported on WWLTV

video feed

that the evacuation of the superdome has been halted because the helicopters being used are being shot at. They are waiting for 100 military police to be brought in to restore order.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I'm taking a backseat for a while working on Fema stuff for my staff & trying to keep my group informed through my website. I will check in on threads from time to time, but need to focus on my buds for a couple of days.

Tipsy - I might start a FFL league to draft online. Obvioulsy local leagues got cancelled, and I would like a team to follow to help keep my mind off of everything. Let me know if you'd be interested.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

I'm taking a backseat for a while working on Fema stuff for my staff & trying to keep my group informed through my website. I will check in on threads from time to time, but need to focus on my buds for a couple of days.

Tipsy - I might start a FFL league to draft online. Obvioulsy local leagues got cancelled, and I would like a team to follow to help keep my mind off of everything. Let me know if you'd be interested.

we started our draft for my NO league yesterday. I would love to, but i really don't have time for 2 leagues. we'll just be internet buddies until we get back. The Abita's will be on me!

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

This is bad. Unless you are a criminal. Maybe my waitresses recent DUI will be lost in the shuffle though?

As evidence floods, criminal cases likely collapse

Basement also housed thousands of appeals

By Michael Perlstein

and Trymaine D. Lee

New Orleans criminal justice officials cringed Wednesday at another disaster evolving in the wake of Hurricane Katrina: the possible long-term collapse of the city’s criminal justice system.

With the flooding of the police department’s evidence and property room in the basement of police headquarters, evidence and records in hundreds of criminal cases appeared to be irretrievably lost, police spokesman Marlon Defillo said.

Evidence in the most serious, pending cases, from murder to rape to robbery, was housed in the basement, Defillo said.

“We lost thousands of documents and untold evidence,” Defillo said. “We lost everything.”

The floodwaters in the basement of criminal court at Tulane Avenue and Broad Street also inundated old evidence in thousands of old cases under appeal. The lost evidence could reopen cases that otherwise had little chance of getting back into trial court.

“We’re in serious trouble,” Defillo said.

Officials averted a separate crisis by transporting about 3,000

inmates out of Orleans Parish Prison. Under heavy armed guard, inmates who lined Interstate 10 above the flooded surface streets were loaded onto buses from the Dixon Correctional Center and other state lockups.

While the inmates were successfully evacuated, the ongoing

shutdown of criminal court could lead to the unavoidable release of dozens of suspects awaiting charges. By law, suspects must be tried within 30 days of a misdemeanor arrest and within 45 days of a felony arrest or they are automatically released from any bond obligation.

Even with the potential long-range problems facing the court

system, officials were more concerned Wednesday with citywide crimes and looting sprouting amid the storm’s chaotic aftermath.

Terry Ebbert, the city’s homeland security director, said police

received numerous reports of armed groups of marauders robbing scores of people throughout the hard-hit parts of the city. Authorities were unable to patrol the most lawless areas of the city, and it appeared police had little chance of investigating much of the unchecked crime.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I'm taking a backseat for a while working on Fema stuff for my staff & trying to keep my group informed through my website.  I will check in on threads from time to time, but need to focus on my buds for a couple of days.

Tipsy - I might start a FFL league to draft online. Obvioulsy local leagues got cancelled, and I would like a team to follow to help keep my mind off of everything. Let me know if you'd be interested.

we started our draft for my NO league yesterday. I would love to, but i really don't have time for 2 leagues. we'll just be internet buddies until we get back. The Abita's will be on me!

Sounds good - let me know if you need another owner

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This is bad. Unless you are a criminal. Maybe my waitresses recent DUI will be lost in the shuffle though?

As evidence floods, criminal cases likely collapse

Basement also housed thousands of appeals

By Michael Perlstein

and Trymaine D. Lee

New Orleans criminal justice officials cringed Wednesday at another disaster evolving in the wake of Hurricane Katrina: the possible long-term collapse of the city’s criminal justice system.

With the flooding of the police department’s evidence and property room in the basement of police headquarters, evidence and records in hundreds of criminal cases appeared to be irretrievably lost, police spokesman Marlon Defillo said.

Evidence in the most serious, pending cases, from murder to rape to robbery, was housed in the basement, Defillo said.

“We lost thousands of documents and untold evidence,” Defillo said. “We lost everything.”

The floodwaters in the basement of criminal court at Tulane Avenue and Broad Street also inundated old evidence in thousands of old cases under appeal. The lost evidence could reopen cases that otherwise had little chance of getting back into trial court.

“We’re in serious trouble,” Defillo said.

Officials averted a separate crisis by transporting about 3,000

inmates out of Orleans Parish Prison. Under heavy armed guard, inmates who lined Interstate 10 above the flooded surface streets were loaded onto buses from the Dixon Correctional Center and other state lockups.

While the inmates were successfully evacuated, the ongoing

shutdown of criminal court could lead to the unavoidable release of dozens of suspects awaiting charges. By law, suspects must be tried within 30 days of a misdemeanor arrest and within 45 days of a felony arrest or they are automatically released from any bond obligation.

Even with the potential long-range problems facing the court

system, officials were more concerned Wednesday with citywide crimes and looting sprouting amid the storm’s chaotic aftermath.

Terry Ebbert, the city’s homeland security director, said police

received numerous reports of armed groups of marauders robbing scores of people throughout the hard-hit parts of the city. Authorities were unable to patrol the most lawless areas of the city, and it appeared police had little chance of investigating much of the unchecked crime.

I would have never thought of that. Unreal.

 

[Drifter]

This is bad.  Unless you are a criminal.  Maybe my waitresses recent DUI will be lost in the shuffle though?

As evidence floods, criminal cases likely collapse

Basement also housed thousands of appeals

By Michael Perlstein

and Trymaine D. Lee

New Orleans criminal justice officials cringed Wednesday at another disaster evolving in the wake of Hurricane Katrina: the possible long-term collapse of the city’s criminal justice system.

With the flooding of the police department’s evidence and property room in the basement of police headquarters, evidence and records in hundreds of criminal cases appeared to be irretrievably lost, police spokesman Marlon Defillo said.

Evidence in the most serious, pending cases, from murder to rape to robbery, was housed in the basement, Defillo said.

“We lost thousands of documents and untold evidence,” Defillo said. “We lost everything.”

The floodwaters in the basement of criminal court at Tulane Avenue and Broad Street also inundated old evidence in thousands of old cases under appeal. The lost evidence could reopen cases that otherwise had little chance of getting back into trial court.

“We’re in serious trouble,” Defillo said.

Officials averted a separate crisis by transporting about 3,000

inmates out of Orleans Parish Prison. Under heavy armed guard, inmates who lined Interstate 10 above the flooded surface streets were loaded onto buses from the Dixon Correctional Center and other state lockups.

While the inmates were successfully evacuated, the ongoing

shutdown of criminal court could lead to the unavoidable release of dozens of suspects awaiting charges. By law, suspects must be tried within 30 days of a misdemeanor arrest and within 45 days of a felony arrest or they are automatically released from any bond obligation.

Even with the potential long-range problems facing the court

system, officials were more concerned Wednesday with citywide crimes and looting sprouting amid the storm’s chaotic aftermath.

Terry Ebbert, the city’s homeland security director, said police

received numerous reports of armed groups of marauders robbing scores of people throughout the hard-hit parts of the city. Authorities were unable to patrol the most lawless areas of the city, and it appeared police had little chance of investigating much of the unchecked crime.

I would have never thought of that. Unreal.

And this is why the business I'm in is thriving (document imaging and management).

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

:(

As city drowns in chaos, death gets little notice

By Keith Spera

Staff writer

At 91, Booker Harris ended his days propped on a lawn chair, covered by a yellow quilt and abandoned, dead, in front of the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center.

Mr. Harris died in the back of a Ryder panel truck Wednesday afternoon,

as he and his 93-year-old wife, Allie, were evacuated from eastern New

Orleans. The truck’s driver deposited Mrs. Harris and her husband’s body on

the Convention Center Boulevard neutral ground.

And there it remained.

With 3,000 or more evacuees stranded at the Convention Center -- and

with no apparent plan to deal with them -- collecting a body was no one’s priority. It was just another casualty in Hurricane Katrina's wake.

A steady stream of often angry or despondent people, many from the flooded Central City neighborhood, trickled first toward Lee Circle and then to the Convention Center, hoping to be saved from increasingly desperate straits.

Food, water and options had dwindled across Uptown and Central City, where looters seemed to rage almost at will, clearing out boutique clothing shops and drugstores alike. Hospitals no longer would accept emergencies, as staffers prepared to evacuate with patients.

"If you get shot," said a security guard at Touro Infirmary, "you’ve

got to go somewhere else."

As a blazing sun and stifling humidity took their toll, 65-year-old Faye Taplin rested alone on the steps of the Christ Cathedral in the 2900 block of St. Charles Avenue. Rising water had finally chased her from her Central City home. She clutched two plastic bags containing bedding, a little food and water and insulin to treat her diabetes.

She needed help but was unsure where to find it. She wanted to walk more than 15 blocks to a rumored evacuation pickup point beneath the Pontchartrain Expressway, but she doubted that was possible.

"I'm tired," she said. "My feet have swollen up on me. I can't walk that far."

The church custodian, Ken Elder, hoped to free his car from the parking lot behind the church as soon as the water went down. He rode out Katrina on the Episcopal church’s altar steps and was well stocked with food. But he feared the marauding looters who roamed St. Charles Avenue after dark.

"I lived in Los Angeles during the Rodney King riots," Elder said. "That was a piece of cake compared to this."

Clara Wallace pushed her brother in a wheelchair down St. Charles from Fourth Street to the Pontchartrain Expressway. Suffering from diabetes and the aftereffects of a stroke, he wore only a hospital robe and endured part of the journey through standing water.

"Nobody has a bathroom he can use," Wallace, 59, said of her brother.

"Nobody would even stop to tell us if we were at the right place. What

are we supposed to do?"

A man in a passing pickup truck from the state Department of Wildlife

and Fisheries finally directed Wallace and the 50 other evacuees under

the overpass to the convention center.

But they would find little relief there.

New evacuees were being dropped off after being pulled from inundated

eastern New Orleans and Carrollton, pooling with those who arrived on

foot. Some had been at the convention center since Tuesday morning but

had received no food, water or instructions. They waited both inside and outside the cavernous building.

The influx overwhelmed the few staffers and Louisiana National

Guardsmen on hand.

With so much need and so few resources, the weakest and frailest were

bound to suffer the most. Seated next to her husband's body on the

neutral ground beneath the St. Joseph Street sign, Allie Harris munched on crackers, seemingly unaware of the tragedy unfolding around her.

Eventually, guardsmen loaded her into a truck and hauled her off with

other elderly evacuees.

Mr. Harris' body was left behind.

Such a breakdown did not bode well for other evacuees. As the afternoon

wore on, hope faded, replaced by anger.

"This is 2005," John Murray shouted, standing in the street near Mr.

Harris' body. "It should not be like this for no catastrophe. This is

pathetic."