Keeper League Rule Help (1 Viewer)

[The Ghost of Common]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).

The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.

i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.

We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)

Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?

Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.

Thoughts?

TIA

 

[Alex96]

It seems fair. If they want the first pick, they can have it by not keeping someone who costs them a first rounder. Presumably the best talent is being kept, so it's not like the Champ is getting the best 2 players. He's getting the best 2 remaining.

In our keeper league, we have to give up a draft pick 2 rounds higher than the player was drafted in the previous year's draft. Most of the studs will be available in the draft.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Not much you can do about it. It's one of the reasons that I'm not a big fan of the rule that you lose the draft pick in the round where you drafted a player. There are positives with the system to be sure, but that's definitely a negative.

I'm surprised that so many people are keeping their first round pick from last year though. Plenty of flameouts in first rounders this year.

 

[PatsWillWin]

It's how the league goes. Can't change it now just to screw over the league champion.

 

[Follows Closely]

it is fair and should stay. Live by the rules you created man!

 

[Topes]

Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest?

Yes.The most unfair thing you could do would be to change it.If you're going to change the keeper rules in a keeper league, you have to go with a redraft from scratch.

 

[Sack-Religious]

We have a rule that states that any player drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous year aren't eligible to be kept, and that anyone drafted in rounds 4-24 can be kept at the cost of the draft pick they were drafted at. It eliminates this problem and rewards mid round picks.

For your situation, you can't do much but abide by the rules your league has set. I'll echo what others have said though that I find it really hard to believe that everyone wants to keep their first rounder.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Not much you can do about it. It's one of the reasons that I'm not a big fan of the rule that you lose the draft pick in the round where you drafted a player. There are positives with the system to be sure, but that's definitely a negative.I'm surprised that so many people are keeping their first round pick from last year though. Plenty of flameouts in first rounders this year.

I'm surprised so many people are keeping first rounders, too. I play in a league similar to this, and the only people who chose to keep first rounders are people who had nothing else worthwhile to keep. It's the same concept as VBD, and I think people in your league will figure this out soon. Would you rather have someone like Brian Westbrook and whoever you get in the 8th round, or DeAngelo Williams and whoever you get in the 1st? Would you rather have Joseph Addai and whoever you get in the 10th round, or Steve Slaton and whoever you get in the 1st?One thing I would suggest - don't make people declare their keepers right now. Wait til a few weeks before the draft - a lot can happen between now and then. Injuries, trades, retirements, holdouts, and off the field stuff can all affect keeper decisions.

 

[Phurfur]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).

The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.

i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.

We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)

Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?

Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.

Thoughts?

TIA

No he will be getting the 12 and 13th best players if 11 players are kept. I play in this format and only a few people keep their #1 pick. I can't believe 11 people are happy with their #1 pick. Would you keep Marion Barber for a #1 or Chris Johnson for a #7? I think you only have one owner who knows how to play in the format. We have never had a problem.

 

[belljr]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.Thoughts?TIA

Wait so it's a snake also? Why have draft order based on finish if you are snaking. Let's say everyone kept their first rounder then he still picks "first" with the 12th player.What I would do is make the first 3 rounds worst to first, then snake starting 4th round or at the end of the third. But that's just one opinion.

 

[fore2right]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.Thoughts?TIA

Wait so it's a snake also? Why have draft order based on finish if you are snaking. Let's say everyone kept their first rounder then he still picks "first" with the 12th player.What I would do is make the first 3 rounds worst to first, then snake starting 4th round or at the end of the third. But that's just one opinion.

I was struggling with understanding this "1st and 2nd" overall until I realized that in addition to a keeper league you are doing a snake draft. If there's keepers involved then you don't snake.

 

[GottaBohlieve]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.Thoughts?TIA

Wait so it's a snake also? Why have draft order based on finish if you are snaking. Let's say everyone kept their first rounder then he still picks "first" with the 12th player.What I would do is make the first 3 rounds worst to first, then snake starting 4th round or at the end of the third. But that's just one opinion.

I was struggling with understanding this "1st and 2nd" overall until I realized that in addition to a keeper league you are doing a snake draft. If there's keepers involved then you don't snake.

Why wouldn't you snake the rounds after 1-3? That doesn't make any sense at all. The snake is the only way to make sure that every team has equal opportunity, unless you are able to keep the majority of your team, but with a 2 keeper league you have to use the snake, IMO.The champ is being rewarded for the foresight to draft a more talented player later in the draft. Our league operates the same way and there was only one player kept in the first round this year, because people are almost always happier to keep a later round pick. I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to have drafted Addai in the 7th round in his rookie year and have been able to keep him for the past two years. But we only allow players to be kept for 3 years, and then must be returned to the draft pool. It seems to work well, for us, but each league is different.

 

[belljr]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.Thoughts?TIA

Wait so it's a snake also? Why have draft order based on finish if you are snaking. Let's say everyone kept their first rounder then he still picks "first" with the 12th player.What I would do is make the first 3 rounds worst to first, then snake starting 4th round or at the end of the third. But that's just one opinion.

I was struggling with understanding this "1st and 2nd" overall until I realized that in addition to a keeper league you are doing a snake draft. If there's keepers involved then you don't snake.

Why wouldn't you snake the rounds after 1-3? That doesn't make any sense at all. The snake is the only way to make sure that every team has equal opportunity, unless you are able to keep the majority of your team, but with a 2 keeper league you have to use the snake, IMO.The champ is being rewarded for the foresight to draft a more talented player later in the draft. Our league operates the same way and there was only one player kept in the first round this year, because people are almost always happier to keep a later round pick. I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to have drafted Addai in the 7th round in his rookie year and have been able to keep him for the past two years. But we only allow players to be kept for 3 years, and then must be returned to the draft pool. It seems to work well, for us, but each league is different.

I'm ok snaking after rounds 1-3 ---- they are snaking the entire thing. My one league we snake the entire thing but we have supplemental picks after rounds 2-4 base on contract If you have a league that wants to use prior year finish as draft order and have keepers - I don't agree with a snake from the beginning even with 3 keepers. My league is unique in that our first round is either a keeper or a pick. We don't snake the entire draft. We kept talking about changing it a bunch of times since we've had the same guys for 15 years now they like the NFL draft style and tries to add parody to the league. The reality is doesn't matter where we draft it's the same 7 or 8 guys fighting for the playoffs and the other 4.

 

[fore2right]

This year we are keeping 3 players (which can be a kept for a total of 3 consecutive seasons).The initial set up was that whomever you kept would cost you a pick in next years draft consistent with the round the keeper was drafted in.i.e. if you're keeping PEterson and took him in Round 1, you have no first round pick next year.We have some people complaining because draft order next year will be determined by standings this year (last place team gets first pick next year)Essentially though, every team except for the team that won it all is keeping their first rounder. The championship team is keeping their 3rd rounder. That means, in next year draft, this past seasons winner is actually picking first and second overall. Make sense?Is this fair? Any other way of doing things you can suggest? The league is upset that the best team in the league now will get the top 2 players in next years draft and I do sort of see their point.Thoughts?TIA

Wait so it's a snake also? Why have draft order based on finish if you are snaking. Let's say everyone kept their first rounder then he still picks "first" with the 12th player.What I would do is make the first 3 rounds worst to first, then snake starting 4th round or at the end of the third. But that's just one opinion.

I was struggling with understanding this "1st and 2nd" overall until I realized that in addition to a keeper league you are doing a snake draft. If there's keepers involved then you don't snake.

Why wouldn't you snake the rounds after 1-3? That doesn't make any sense at all. The snake is the only way to make sure that every team has equal opportunity, unless you are able to keep the majority of your team, but with a 2 keeper league you have to use the snake, IMO.The champ is being rewarded for the foresight to draft a more talented player later in the draft. Our league operates the same way and there was only one player kept in the first round this year, because people are almost always happier to keep a later round pick. I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to have drafted Addai in the 7th round in his rookie year and have been able to keep him for the past two years. But we only allow players to be kept for 3 years, and then must be returned to the draft pool. It seems to work well, for us, but each league is different.

I guess I can see the argument to snake after round 3 (for a 3 player keeper league). I play in a 2 player keeper league and we don't snake at all, everyone drafts related to where they finished the previous year (subject to offseason trades that include draft picks). That's probably why I reacted the way I did in my first post.