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Keiland Williams, RB WAS (1 Viewer)
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FallenHero32
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He doesn't have to keep him in there. But giving him some time to make some plays can't hurt if they are up or getting completely blown out.
Frank Black
Footballguy
"Coach Mike Shanahan has been impressed with backup RB Keiland Williams' ability to pick up the offense and pass protection quickly as a rookie.
Williams acknowledged that he remains Clinton Portis' backup in the "sub downs, third-down package role." His snaps won't increase significantly barring an injury to Portis, but he's well worth carrying in 12-team leagues"
Williams acknowledged that he remains Clinton Portis' backup in the "sub downs, third-down package role." His snaps won't increase significantly barring an injury to Portis, but he's well worth carrying in 12-team leagues"
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
The only thing that was really non-descript about Williams' career at LSU was his # of carries. As has been mentioned here already, the Tigers are more than happy to use multiple backs, so I don't know if he can really be condemned as 'totally meh' just for not getting more.Williams averaged 5.7 yards a carry for his career, primarily against SEC defenses. Maybe he didn't get featured carries, but it appears he made the carries he did get count.Dunno that I'd say he's worth 'getting spun up' about, but this isn't exactly Ryan Torain, running over Pac-10 D's for a year or so, we're talking about here either. Williams played against tough competition collegiately, performed pretty well, and is reportedly picking up his first pro scheme quickly(and blocking well) as a rookie runner with only an aging, squeezed-out-and-humped-dry Clinton Portis between him and more meaningful touches in a Mike Shanahan offense. A player like that has value.What exactly are we getting spun up about? Do we like the opportunity more than the guy? Williams had a pretty nondescript career at LSU....
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GreedoShotFirst
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he has value, as does any backup RB, but your assesment (and clearly many people's) of Portis is off. CP is not a fantasy force but he is playing well and in no danger of losing carries.
The only thing that was really non-descript about Williams' career at LSU was his # of carries. As has been mentioned here already, the Tigers are more than happy to use multiple backs, so I don't know if he can really be condemned as 'totally meh' just for not getting more.Williams averaged 5.7 yards a carry for his career, primarily against SEC defenses. Maybe he didn't get featured carries, but it appears he made the carries he did get count.Dunno that I'd say he's worth 'getting spun up' about, but this isn't exactly Ryan Torain, running over Pac-10 D's for a year or so, we're talking about here either. Williams played against tough competition collegiately, performed pretty well, and is reportedly picking up his first pro scheme quickly(and blocking well) as a rookie runner with only an aging, squeezed-out-and-humped-dry Clinton Portis between him and more meaningful touches in a Mike Shanahan offense. A player like that has value.What exactly are we getting spun up about? Do we like the opportunity more than the guy? Williams had a pretty nondescript career at LSU....
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Owned him since early May in both my dynasty leagues. I think his value ultimately depends on one of three things -
1. A Portis injury. This seems to be his best chance at going into the lineup.
2. Shanahan deciding to put him in the lineup over Portis.
3. Keiland pushing his way into the lineup by outplaying Portis.
The common theme here is Portis
1. A Portis injury. This seems to be his best chance at going into the lineup.
2. Shanahan deciding to put him in the lineup over Portis.
3. Keiland pushing his way into the lineup by outplaying Portis.
The common theme here is Portis
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
That's not my assessment. I never said Portis was in danger of losing carries to a rookie. I said that Williams is a pulled hamstring/whatever away from getting more meaningful touches. Regardless of how well Portis may, or may not, be playing at the moment, he's aging and has had a high volume of carries/collisions in his career. The cumulative effect WILL start taking a toll(I believe it already has). He can't play forever. Missed half a season just last year, IIRC, etc. etc. Guys his age typically don't start getting better all of a sudden.Williams is a great speculative add, particularly in dynasty leagues. That's my assessment.
Yeah, this is a lottery ticket and nothing more to most people. A Portis handcuff is his most realistic value. If Portis gets hurt I will, most likely, be looking to trade him, not start him.EDIT: The above is based on me playing in redrafts, not dynasty/keeper. I'm not sure what his value is next year.
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RedskinsFan
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It's in our own best interest to give another back some carries so we don't burn out the starter. I'm always on board with improving our team and maybe he can be productive. McNabb won't have many games like last week so we have no choice but to find a running game. 2 Games in and Portis isn't exactly lighting it up. I do expect KW to get his first carry this week. What he does with that determines when and how often he gets more but he has the potential against the Rams to do well. Portis is most definitely not the cemented in starting player if he's not getting it done and another guy is. CP is under a lot of pressure now, we will go with the hot hand. It's been our plan all along. We just cut Larry Johnson because they like KW. All the signs are there. He's worth a lottery ticket as much as anyone but his worth against other RB lottery tickets is actually larger because for him to see the field it doesn't require an injury, it requires performance. If he's a performer then he's going to be real good because CP isn't a slouch. The worst upside about this kid to me is how I see CP turning into a short yardage TD vulture type in my mind after his replacement shows up. CP's been here a long time I think his times almost up
he has value, as does any backup RB, but your assesment (and clearly many people's) of Portis is off. CP is not a fantasy force but he is playing well and in no danger of losing carries.
The only thing that was really non-descript about Williams' career at LSU was his # of carries. As has been mentioned here already, the Tigers are more than happy to use multiple backs, so I don't know if he can really be condemned as 'totally meh' just for not getting more.Williams averaged 5.7 yards a carry for his career, primarily against SEC defenses. Maybe he didn't get featured carries, but it appears he made the carries he did get count.Dunno that I'd say he's worth 'getting spun up' about, but this isn't exactly Ryan Torain, running over Pac-10 D's for a year or so, we're talking about here either. Williams played against tough competition collegiately, performed pretty well, and is reportedly picking up his first pro scheme quickly(and blocking well) as a rookie runner with only an aging, squeezed-out-and-humped-dry Clinton Portis between him and more meaningful touches in a Mike Shanahan offense. A player like that has value.What exactly are we getting spun up about? Do we like the opportunity more than the guy? Williams had a pretty nondescript career at LSU....
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CaptainHook
Footballguy
when ive watched portis this year hes looked pretty good. doubt this kid gets much time this season considering how good portis is at pass blocking.
The gamble for me is around Portis staying healthy.
Link?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think Shanahan may just get a little leeway.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
If Portis goes down, they will pick up a vet before they would rely on Williams to carry the load. Williams has very little value.
Well, except for the 2 vets they cut in the last month to push him into the #2 spot.
ponchsox
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ponchsox
Footballguy
Redskins signed RB Ryan Torain off their practice squad.
Torain should slot in as Washington's No. 3 tailback immediately, behind Clinton Portis and rookie Keiland Williams. Portis struggled mightily in the first two weeks, so the entire backfield is worth keeping close tabs on. Just like Williams, Torain has the potential to emerge as a fantasy sleeper.
The Torain Train is back!!!!
Torain should slot in as Washington's No. 3 tailback immediately, behind Clinton Portis and rookie Keiland Williams. Portis struggled mightily in the first two weeks, so the entire backfield is worth keeping close tabs on. Just like Williams, Torain has the potential to emerge as a fantasy sleeper.
The Torain Train is back!!!!
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Is this for depth or does Shannahan have little faith in Williams?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
well he's got more faith in williams than he does in torain it seems, torain was the one on the practice squad.
I've been on the Shanahan carousel before and the smart thing to do is just burn up one bench spot on your best guess. My best guess is Williams. Consider that Torain was sent to the PS and Williams kept on the roster, that says alot.Also consider how many vets have been cut as Williams ascends the ladder. Dont listen to what coaches say, just react to what they do. Shanny is showing us what he will do, as much as that man can.
Max Power
Footballguy
This is very little in FA these days. Williams is the guy.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
i'm going with williams as well... if he stumbles when given the chance... i'd jump on torain ASAP - CP just doesn't look like the well oiled machine he used to be.CaptainHook
Footballguy
they sent torain to the ps because priority 1 they knew nobody would take him. priority 2 was probably special teams implications. they didnt really care who the non playing 3rd rb was.
The_Underachiever
Footballguy
All aboard:
Roto: Clinton Portis (wrist) is listed as questionable for Week 3 despite practicing fully each day this week.
The Skins did list a number of players (also LaRon Landry) as "questionable" who are expected to play, but this is a situation to monitor. Portis was spotted icing his right forearm/wrist area in the second half of Week 2, and the Skins signed Ryan Torain off the practice squad Friday afternoon. Skins-Rams has a 1:00ET start, so we'll know Portis' status around noon on Sunday.
Roto: Clinton Portis (wrist) is listed as questionable for Week 3 despite practicing fully each day this week.
The Skins did list a number of players (also LaRon Landry) as "questionable" who are expected to play, but this is a situation to monitor. Portis was spotted icing his right forearm/wrist area in the second half of Week 2, and the Skins signed Ryan Torain off the practice squad Friday afternoon. Skins-Rams has a 1:00ET start, so we'll know Portis' status around noon on Sunday.
dgreen
Footballguy
They have a 4:00 PM start.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
anybody have any game tape of this guy ?
I could buy in to this argument if they weren't cutting Parker and LJ in the meantime. But they did.My point still stands, one roster spot, I'm going with Williams, if you want Torain be my guest. But IMO it is not worth 2 spots as there are some better gambles out there.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I think Chad Simpson was signed because they needed help on special teams. That would seem to put Simpson on active roster.
dgreen
Footballguy
It's possible he'll be active this week, but I doubt it. They'll want three RBs active. I don't see why they'd promote Torain if he wasn't going to be active.My prediction is Simpson eventually takes over KR duties and Devin Thomas moves to more WR duties. Anthony Armstrong says he'll play, but he's been hurt and is "questionable". If he's inactive, then Devin definitely takes a larger role on offense and then maybe Simpson is active and Torain is inactive.
The_Underachiever
Footballguy
CaptainHook
Footballguy
The guy has yet to carry the ball all season despite being rostered in both games... I find it very hard to believe that this is the true backup rb rather than torain a guy who shanahan presumably has way more trust in.
Max Power
Footballguy
He was third on the depth chart. How many teams give their RB3 carries each week? Dallas, Buffalo, NE...?
dgreen
Footballguy
He played 15 of 59 plays this week and had 4 receptions.
Derrick Fenner
Footballguy
The Ryan Torain signing proves that Keiland is only a 3rd down back. All aboard the Torain train! Choo Choo!
CaptainHook
Footballguy
which is exactly why who the 3rb RB on the depth chart is could very likely have nothing to do with who the coach likes as an actual RB.It's very interesting that he got 15/59 plays though that changes things.
Max Power
Footballguy
I think it proves the Skins want 3 RBs active on gameday, nothing more...
Nice find. His only other problem is that he kicks it outside too much and shys away from between the tackles. Shanny has spoken highly of him in the last month and his time on the field last week speaks volumes.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
this is some good info...but...another thing that we know about shanahan is that the depth chart is incredibly fluid and never seems to mean much
koonass
Footballguy
Keiland is a very talented back. The only reason he never played more at LSU was because the idiot Les Miles preferred guys like Jacob Hester and Charles Scott who were more 3 yds and a cloud of dust type plodding backs. Keilands lack of touches always mystified LSU fans, as he was by far the most talented rb at LSU during his 4 years. All he ever did was make plays when he got the chance.
Check this nice run as a soph. vs. VaTech.
K Williams 67 yd TD run
Check this nice run as a soph. vs. VaTech.
K Williams 67 yd TD run
motor guy
Footballguy
Clearly this is a ploy to motivate Keiland Williams.
I don't understand how ANYONE can think that Torain is the #2 and not Keiland Williams? You guys understand that when someone is on the practice squad, any team can come and sign him right? Would Shannahan leave a guy he depended on to be the #2 running back on his practice squad until 2-3 weeks into the season? Of course not. Torain being on the practice squad while KW being on the team tells you all that you need to know.
This doesn't mean that KW will turn into Arian Foster. But it does mean that the kid has a chance to become the starter on this Redskins team. Clinton Portis was a stud when he was in his prime. Unfortunately, he is no longer in that prime. Running backs in this league get old very fast. Portis is now old. It is time for the next RB to come through. And in the NFL, running backs are perhaps the most difficult position to correctly draft. You have guys like Reggie Bush picked #2 overall turn into 3rd down backs, while undrafted free agents like Arian Foster turn into fantasy studs. I guess QB is another position very difficult to draft for. I would say RB/QB are definitely the positions where "anyone" can turn up and turn into a stud. So, "undrafted, not highly drafted, etc etc" carry no weight when talking about RBs or QBs in my opinion.
This doesn't mean that KW will turn into Arian Foster. But it does mean that the kid has a chance to become the starter on this Redskins team. Clinton Portis was a stud when he was in his prime. Unfortunately, he is no longer in that prime. Running backs in this league get old very fast. Portis is now old. It is time for the next RB to come through. And in the NFL, running backs are perhaps the most difficult position to correctly draft. You have guys like Reggie Bush picked #2 overall turn into 3rd down backs, while undrafted free agents like Arian Foster turn into fantasy studs. I guess QB is another position very difficult to draft for. I would say RB/QB are definitely the positions where "anyone" can turn up and turn into a stud. So, "undrafted, not highly drafted, etc etc" carry no weight when talking about RBs or QBs in my opinion.
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