Kenny Britt Dynasty Thread (1 Viewer)

[Tau837]

he is nothing like marshall on the field. marshall is a possession receiver with the size and strength to make huge plays after catch and win jump balls. marshalls hands are suspect. britt is a burner with great hands.britt ypc 17.5marshall ypc 12.6

It's like some of the people posting in this thread are talking about another player rather than Britt.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

Britt is a pretty big dude at 6'3" 215lbs and can make many of the same plays Marshall can. Not unlike Marshall, just more versatile with more speed and better hands. Better.

 

[Tau837]

I. Am not as high on Britt as I thought I'd be. He has great stats last year but flukey.

He only played three games last year so I totally agree. Three years in the league and he hasn't put up an elite year yet despite ample opportunity. Lots of players flash great ability and have great games, but the great fantasy players can CONSISTENTLY, game after game, year after year, put up elite numbers. You are paying elite cost for potential production at this point.

this is pretty awful analysis.

No it definitely wasn't a good post, crap actually. Somebody disagrees with him so he's annoyed. Fact is people are paying for him like he is a top 5 wr guaranteed. Which isn't smart. It's not writing the guy off by saying that he's overvalued. He may be elite but there are no guarantees.

It was awful analysis. Most of the post had nothing to do with elite cost, it had to do with the fact that he hasn't put up an elite season yet and hasn't been consistent. That's the awful part.In 2009, Britt was a rookie, and the team averaged less than 200 yards passing per game. Vince Young started the last 10 games and averaged less than 190 yards per game, throwing just 10 TDs. Yet Britt had 42/701/3 (16.7 ypr), a very solid rookie season.In 2010, Britt missed 5 games with a pulled hamstring. (He technically missed 4, but pulled it in the 1st quarter of the San Diego game before registering a catch.) Britt had 42/775/9 (18.5 ypr) in 11 games, which scales to 61/1130/13 over 16 games. This on a team that was #30 in the NFL with just 474 passing attempts.In 2011, Britt exploded in his first two games before tearing his ACL and MCL in the third game. There is no reason to believe it was "flukey," there were reasons to expect him to improve in 2011:1. Britt's second year performance was stronger than most realized, given that he missed 5 games.2. Britt was entering his third year, often a year where WRs make significant improvements.3. Head coach Jeff Fisher was gone, replaced by Mike Munchak; offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger was gone, replaced by Chris Palmer. The Muchak/Palmer offense is much less conservative than the Fisher/Heimerdinger offense. The Titans went from #30 in the NFL in passing attempts to #8.4. There was a major upgrade at QB, going from Collins and Young to Hasselbeck and Locker.The only thing to be concerned about is his health. He has had multiple hamstring issues and is obviously coming off major surgery. But he is just 24 years old, and we now see players return to form from ACL surgery regularly. His health to open the season might not be 100%, but I don't think he is a major health risk long term.Britt played 13 healthy games over the past 2 seasons. In those games, he had 56/1046/12. That scales to 69/1287/15 over 16 games, with all except two of those games coming in a conservative offense with lousy QBs. He is now in a stronger passing offense with better QBs. You want to call that a fluke and ignore it or write him off, go ahead.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I. Am not as high on Britt as I thought I'd be. He has great stats last year but flukey.

He only played three games last year so I totally agree. Three years in the league and he hasn't put up an elite year yet despite ample opportunity. Lots of players flash great ability and have great games, but the great fantasy players can CONSISTENTLY, game after game, year after year, put up elite numbers. You are paying elite cost for potential production at this point.

this is pretty awful analysis.

No it definitely wasn't a good post, crap actually. Somebody disagrees with him so he's annoyed. Fact is people are paying for him like he is a top 5 wr guaranteed. Which isn't smart. It's not writing the guy off by saying that he's overvalued. He may be elite but there are no guarantees.

It was awful analysis. Most of the post had nothing to do with elite cost, it had to do with the fact that he hasn't put up an elite season yet and hasn't been consistent. That's the awful part.In 2009, Britt was a rookie, and the team averaged less than 200 yards passing per game. Vince Young started the last 10 games and averaged less than 190 yards per game, throwing just 10 TDs. Yet Britt had 42/701/3 (16.7 ypr), a very solid rookie season.In 2010, Britt missed 5 games with a pulled hamstring. (He technically missed 4, but pulled it in the 1st quarter of the San Diego game before registering a catch.) Britt had 42/775/9 (18.5 ypr) in 11 games, which scales to 61/1130/13 over 16 games. This on a team that was #30 in the NFL with just 474 passing attempts.In 2011, Britt exploded in his first two games before tearing his ACL and MCL in the third game. There is no reason to believe it was "flukey," there were reasons to expect him to improve in 2011:1. Britt's second year performance was stronger than most realized, given that he missed 5 games.2. Britt was entering his third year, often a year where WRs make significant improvements.3. Head coach Jeff Fisher was gone, replaced by Mike Munchak; offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger was gone, replaced by Chris Palmer. The Muchak/Palmer offense is much less conservative than the Fisher/Heimerdinger offense. The Titans went from #30 in the NFL in passing attempts to #8.4. There was a major upgrade at QB, going from Collins and Young to Hasselbeck and Locker.The only thing to be concerned about is his health. He has had multiple hamstring issues and is obviously coming off major surgery. But he is just 24 years old, and we now see players return to form from ACL surgery regularly. His health to open the season might not be 100%, but I don't think he is a major health risk long term.Britt played 13 healthy games over the past 2 seasons. In those games, he had 56/1046/12. That scales to 69/1287/15 over 16 games, with all except two of those games coming in a conservative offense with lousy QBs. He is now in a stronger passing offense with better QBs. You want to call that a fluke and ignore it or write him off, go ahead.

Great post JWB. I agree and think the only thing that will prevent him from being a top 10 wr is injury or stupidity. Worth the gamble IMO.

 

[Beetlejuice]

I think the question that needs to be answered is the intent of the Kendall Wright selection. The Titans appeared to have more pressing needs than WR in the first round. Did they take Wright because of the injury to Britt and their concerns over his recovery? Did they take Wright because they are not sold on Williams and his potential as a WR2? What about Nate Washington? There had to be a pre-draft plan to take him if he was there, I doubt they used the #20 pick to be their 2012 WR4. I just find it hard to believe that they took Wright due to draft board value at that time and no other reason.

ofc they took him bc of his "draft board value" or whatever that means. they have a bunch of mediocre wrs and a dude coming off an acl. they grade out wright highly and take him. its that simple.ofc they arent sold on williams being a wr2 or nate washington being actually good. ofc they arent sold on britt recovering considering there is no way to know how effective he will be as of right now.wr was a big need on this team and they graded this guy high.

Thank you for confirming what I said.

 

[Banemorth]

I see Wright as the number two guy personally.

 

[DoubleG]

No it definitely wasn't a good post, crap actually. Somebody disagrees with him so he's annoyed. Fact is people are paying for him like he is a top 5 wr guaranteed. Which isn't smart. It's not writing the guy off by saying that he's overvalued. He may be elite but there are no guarantees.

It was awful analysis. Most of the post had nothing to do with elite cost, it had to do with the fact that he hasn't put up an elite season yet and hasn't been consistent. That's the awful part. In 2009, Britt was a rookie, and the team averaged less than 200 yards passing per game. Vince Young started the last 10 games and averaged less than 190 yards per game, throwing just 10 TDs. Yet Britt had 42/701/3 (16.7 ypr), a very solid rookie season.

In 2010, Britt missed 5 games with a pulled hamstring. (He technically missed 4, but pulled it in the 1st quarter of the San Diego game before registering a catch.) Britt had 42/775/9 (18.5 ypr) in 11 games, which scales to 61/1130/13 over 16 games. This on a team that was #30 in the NFL with just 474 passing attempts.

In 2011, Britt exploded in his first two games before tearing his ACL and MCL in the third game. There is no reason to believe it was "flukey," there were reasons to expect him to improve in 2011:

1. Britt's second year performance was stronger than most realized, given that he missed 5 games.

2. Britt was entering his third year, often a year where WRs make significant improvements.

3. Head coach Jeff Fisher was gone, replaced by Mike Munchak; offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger was gone, replaced by Chris Palmer. The Muchak/Palmer offense is much less conservative than the Fisher/Heimerdinger offense. The Titans went from #30 in the NFL in passing attempts to #8.

4. There was a major upgrade at QB, going from Collins and Young to Hasselbeck and Locker.

The only thing to be concerned about is his health. He has had multiple hamstring issues and is obviously coming off major surgery. But he is just 24 years old, and we now see players return to form from ACL surgery regularly. His health to open the season might not be 100%, but I don't think he is a major health risk long term.

Britt played 13 healthy games over the past 2 seasons. In those games, he had 56/1046/12. That scales to 69/1287/15 over 16 games, with all except two of those games coming in a conservative offense with lousy QBs. He is now in a stronger passing offense with better QBs. You want to call that a fluke and ignore it or write him off, go ahead.

While you make some valid points, the part in red seems and odd way to insult the previous point. You basically call him out for saying that Britt hasn't put up an elite season - then put all the reasons why he should have or might...but still hasn't.I also disagree with the "only thing to be concerned about is his health" - he's all proven that he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer in regards to things that might affect his playing time.

When he is on the field, he's outstanding - no doubt. But you may be drafting a guy that might play 12 games or less in a given season due to injury or suspension or some combo. Is it worth the gamble? I think so - but it's hardly "awful" to point out that he hasn't been consistant, when you have to piece together stats and extrapolate just to make the case that he is an elite talent, because he still has yet to put together a complete, elite season.

 

[az_prof]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

Marshall is ranked just above him at WR10. Marshall's second year he had 102 receptions, 1325 yards, and 7 Tds. Since then he has consistently put up numbers in that ball park, including 3 consecutive years over 100 receptions, five consecutive years over 1000 yards. He is 28, which is the prime age for a WR, playing with a good QB again, finally, and isn't recovering from ACL surgery.

White is ranked just below him at WR12. White has five consecutive years with over 1100 yards, and the last two he has had over 100 receptions. He hasn't missed a game. He is 30 right now and will turn 31 at the end of November. He is not recovering from an ACL surgery.

Yes, I think Britt is being overvalued--placed in the same category as these two players. All of this is based on potential flashed in a couple of games.

Jordy Nelson at 18 in the recent dynasty poll is a better dynasty player than Britt IMO. He has been in the league just as long, but he at least has an elite year under his belt--with 1200 yards and 15 TDs. He plays with a great QB. He is not coming off a serious injury. He is 27.

How about Jeremy Maclin, who is not yet ranked, but will come in probably around WR20. Each of his three years in the NFL have been better than the corresponding 3 years of Britt. His rookie year was better. His sophomore year was better. Even last year, when he relapsed a bit, he was better than Britt's best year. He is not coming back from a serious injury.

I would rank Britt below all these guys. He is being valued because people saw him have a couple of great games and went bonkers on the potential they saw. The league is full of WRs who flash big potential and have one great season (something Britt hasn't done yet even) and then fade away. Lee Evans, in case people forget, was a first round pick, who had a great year (82/1292/8), flashed great potential, and then never achieved consistent fantasy production. I could list many more.

 

[Tau837]

No it definitely wasn't a good post, crap actually. Somebody disagrees with him so he's annoyed. Fact is people are paying for him like he is a top 5 wr guaranteed. Which isn't smart. It's not writing the guy off by saying that he's overvalued. He may be elite but there are no guarantees.

It was awful analysis. Most of the post had nothing to do with elite cost, it had to do with the fact that he hasn't put up an elite season yet and hasn't been consistent. That's the awful part. In 2009, Britt was a rookie, and the team averaged less than 200 yards passing per game. Vince Young started the last 10 games and averaged less than 190 yards per game, throwing just 10 TDs. Yet Britt had 42/701/3 (16.7 ypr), a very solid rookie season.

In 2010, Britt missed 5 games with a pulled hamstring. (He technically missed 4, but pulled it in the 1st quarter of the San Diego game before registering a catch.) Britt had 42/775/9 (18.5 ypr) in 11 games, which scales to 61/1130/13 over 16 games. This on a team that was #30 in the NFL with just 474 passing attempts.

In 2011, Britt exploded in his first two games before tearing his ACL and MCL in the third game. There is no reason to believe it was "flukey," there were reasons to expect him to improve in 2011:

1. Britt's second year performance was stronger than most realized, given that he missed 5 games.

2. Britt was entering his third year, often a year where WRs make significant improvements.

3. Head coach Jeff Fisher was gone, replaced by Mike Munchak; offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger was gone, replaced by Chris Palmer. The Muchak/Palmer offense is much less conservative than the Fisher/Heimerdinger offense. The Titans went from #30 in the NFL in passing attempts to #8.

4. There was a major upgrade at QB, going from Collins and Young to Hasselbeck and Locker.

The only thing to be concerned about is his health. He has had multiple hamstring issues and is obviously coming off major surgery. But he is just 24 years old, and we now see players return to form from ACL surgery regularly. His health to open the season might not be 100%, but I don't think he is a major health risk long term.

Britt played 13 healthy games over the past 2 seasons. In those games, he had 56/1046/12. That scales to 69/1287/15 over 16 games, with all except two of those games coming in a conservative offense with lousy QBs. He is now in a stronger passing offense with better QBs. You want to call that a fluke and ignore it or write him off, go ahead.

While you make some valid points, the part in red seems and odd way to insult the previous point. You basically call him out for saying that Britt hasn't put up an elite season - then put all the reasons why he should have or might...but still hasn't.I also disagree with the "only thing to be concerned about is his health" - he's all proven that he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer in regards to things that might affect his playing time.

When he is on the field, he's outstanding - no doubt. But you may be drafting a guy that might play 12 games or less in a given season due to injury or suspension or some combo. Is it worth the gamble? I think so - but it's hardly "awful" to point out that he hasn't been consistant, when you have to piece together stats and extrapolate just to make the case that he is an elite talent, because he still has yet to put together a complete, elite season.

I "call him out" for saying that because Britt missed 5 games due to injury in the middle of the 2010 season and missed 13+ games due to injury last season. Saying he hasn't put up an elite season despite ample opportunity is ridiculous. It's as simple as that.

 

[Tau837]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

So you base your rankings solely on past results and not on your eyes? Not on high ceiling future potential at young age? Apparently, we have different dynasty philosophies. Do you find that waiting for a talented player to perform at an elite level on the field for a full season before ranking such a player highly works well in your dynasty leagues? I can assure you it wouldn't work well in mine.Incidentally, since you are knocking his ranking in the top 10-20, can we get a look at your top 20 dynasty WRs? Thanks.

 

[Sabertooth]

he is nothing like marshall on the field. marshall is a possession receiver with the size and strength to make huge plays after catch and win jump balls. marshalls hands are suspect. britt is a burner with great hands.britt ypc 17.5marshall ypc 12.6

He's a lot like Marshall off the field.

 

[Sabertooth]

Britt is a pretty big dude at 6'3" 215lbs and can make many of the same plays Marshall can. Not unlike Marshall, just more versatile with more speed and better hands. Better.

That stats do not bear this out at all.

 

[Sabertooth]

Let's talk about his character issues a bit. I have actually been pretty surprised that he's kept his nose clean since getting hurt. Seems like a lot of idle time for a guy like him. Hopefully he is getting his head on straight. I dumped him as part of package deal to acquire AJ Green who is better, younger, and a much cleaner character. So in light of that, I'm sure he's got multiple pro bowls coming up. Also, Jake Locker seems to be the type of QB that would lean on a guy like Britt.

What do you guys think of Locker?

 

[Terpman22]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

Marshall is ranked just above him at WR10. Marshall's second year he had 102 receptions, 1325 yards, and 7 Tds. Since then he has consistently put up numbers in that ball park, including 3 consecutive years over 100 receptions, five consecutive years over 1000 yards. He is 28, which is the prime age for a WR, playing with a good QB again, finally, and isn't recovering from ACL surgery.

White is ranked just below him at WR12. White has five consecutive years with over 1100 yards, and the last two he has had over 100 receptions. He hasn't missed a game. He is 30 right now and will turn 31 at the end of November. He is not recovering from an ACL surgery.

Yes, I think Britt is being overvalued--placed in the same category as these two players. All of this is based on potential flashed in a couple of games.

Jordy Nelson at 18 in the recent dynasty poll is a better dynasty player than Britt IMO. He has been in the league just as long, but he at least has an elite year under his belt--with 1200 yards and 15 TDs. He plays with a great QB. He is not coming off a serious injury. He is 27.

How about Jeremy Maclin, who is not yet ranked, but will come in probably around WR20. Each of his three years in the NFL have been better than the corresponding 3 years of Britt. His rookie year was better. His sophomore year was better. Even last year, when he relapsed a bit, he was better than Britt's best year. He is not coming back from a serious injury.

I would rank Britt below all these guys. He is being valued because people saw him have a couple of great games and went bonkers on the potential they saw. The league is full of WRs who flash big potential and have one great season (something Britt hasn't done yet even) and then fade away. Lee Evans, in case people forget, was a first round pick, who had a great year (82/1292/8), flashed great potential, and then never achieved consistent fantasy production. I could list many more.

Chris Chambers, David Boston, Peerless Price, Michael Clayton...

 

[cvnpoka]

he is nothing like marshall on the field. marshall is a possession receiver with the size and strength to make huge plays after catch and win jump balls. marshalls hands are suspect. britt is a burner with great hands.britt ypc 17.5marshall ypc 12.6

He's a lot like Marshall off the field.

ultimately, in terms of propensity to get in big trouble and ruin his career, i agree. but the mechanism seems a lot different. marshall is a dude with mental problems. britt is (hopefully was) just a thug. not sure that either is better/worse.

 

[cvnpoka]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

def agree he is overvalued if he is that high. its not bc of his past performance tho, its bc hes coming off an acl injury.how about this, would it have been a mistake to rank him wr11 last season? ya i know it was only 2 games, but, i mean, how much doubt is there that he woulda had fantastic production if not for the fluke acl? sometimes there is a lot of evidence that a player will blow up despite seemingly mundane prior results. imo, britt was that guy last year, but not this year.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I think you can put me pretty squarely in the pro-Britt camp. For dynasty I generally have him ranked in the WR7-10 area depending on my mood that day. In my 5/2 FBG rankings I have him at WR10, having Dez, Harvin, and Blackmon ahead by the thinnest of margins, and Wallace, Nelson, and Cruz just behind. All are in the same tier as I see it.

The argument I see going on in this thread is one we see regularly, proven track record vs. potential. Where I disagree with my friend az_prof and agree with my friend Just Win Baby is that, although Britt has been derailed by injury, he has done enough to prove to me that when on the field he is an elite NFL WR. In the games he's played he's been a man among boys, and in a hobby where we're looking to benefit from future production and not from past stats, we shouldn't ignore this level of ability. No, it hasn't been proven for full seasons, but he's shown enough to convince me that a healthy Britt is a stud.

So, do we pass him by because he's had injuries? Again, that's the past and unless we believe the injuries of the past will correlate to injuries in the future, we write them off to bad luck and move forward. I'd rather own a guy that has shown he's elite in half as many games than another guy who has shown he's above average in twice as many games (someone like Maclin for example). He's 24. He's a monster when he plays. I'm not willing to assume he's going to have a career full of bad luck injuries ahead. I think he's well worth a top 10 ranking.

 

[cvnpoka]

its not about worrying about future injuries, its that the acl injury robs him of some of his ability and he is not as good of a player going forward.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

its not about worrying about future injuries, its that the acl injury robs him of some of his ability and he is not as good of a player going forward.

There are no long term effects from ACL injuries once healed. The process takes 12-18 months to full recovery, and then it's like it never happened. I wouldn't let that affect the dynasty value of a 24 year old who tore it in Sept of 2011.

 

[cvnpoka]

its not about worrying about future injuries, its that the acl injury robs him of some of his ability and he is not as good of a player going forward.

There are no long term effects from ACL injuries once healed. The process takes 12-18 months to full recovery, and then it's like it never happened. I wouldn't let that affect the dynasty value of a 24 year old who tore it in Sept of 2011.

oh cmon. lots of players lose athleticism due to this injury.

 

[Touchdown There]

its not about worrying about future injuries, its that the acl injury robs him of some of his ability and he is not as good of a player going forward.

There are no long term effects from ACL injuries once healed. The process takes 12-18 months to full recovery, and then it's like it never happened. I wouldn't let that affect the dynasty value of a 24 year old who tore it in Sept of 2011.

oh cmon. lots of players lose athleticism due to this injury.

Players lose athleticism in the immediate year after the ACL tear. I have Britt in 1 league and expect him to look average this year, but I can also understand why his dynasty ranking is so high. Britt will have a long NFL career. Not sure I will target him in redraft.

 

[Sabertooth]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

def agree he is overvalued if he is that high. its not bc of his past performance tho, its bc hes coming off an acl injury.how about this, would it have been a mistake to rank him wr11 last season? ya i know it was only 2 games, but, i mean, how much doubt is there that he woulda had fantastic production if not for the fluke acl? sometimes there is a lot of evidence that a player will blow up despite seemingly mundane prior results. imo, britt was that guy last year, but not this year.

I don't know. That one touchdown vs. the Ravens (I think) was a major fluke as well. Hass is getting drill and shotputs it to Britt who a defender just barely misses and then it's wide open for 70 yards. I know you can't cherry pick plays but that one play was 23% of his fantasy points in 2011, and it was a lot of luck.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

its not about worrying about future injuries, its that the acl injury robs him of some of his ability and he is not as good of a player going forward.

There are no long term effects from ACL injuries once healed. The process takes 12-18 months to full recovery, and then it's like it never happened. I wouldn't let that affect the dynasty value of a 24 year old who tore it in Sept of 2011.

oh cmon. lots of players lose athleticism due to this injury.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one then.

 

[cvnpoka]

i cant think of a single player in any sport that was able to retain the same athleticism and explosion after an acl injury. sure, many of them were still great players and perhaps equally effective, and still freakishly athletic, but they all lose a bit.

its funny to come here and read this perspective when many basketball observers are extremely skeptical that derrick rose will be able to reclaim his elite status after his acl injury since his game is so predicated on his athleticism. fwiw, i disagree with them as i think most of his ability will come back but the prevailing opinion is that this can have a devastating effect on physical ablilities.

 

[finito]

i cant think of a single player in any sport that was able to retain the same athleticism and explosion after an acl injury. sure, many of them were still great players and perhaps equally effective, and still freakishly athletic, but they all lose a bit.

What's "a bit?" 1%? 8%? Plenty of guys come back from ACL tears and put up the same type of numbers they did prior.

 

[cvnpoka]

i cant think of a single player in any sport that was able to retain the same athleticism and explosion after an acl injury. sure, many of them were still great players and perhaps equally effective, and still freakishly athletic, but they all lose a bit.

What's "a bit?" 1%? 8%? Plenty of guys come back from ACL tears and put up the same type of numbers they did prior.

ya? i mean i said as much.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

its not about worrying about future injuries, its that the acl injury robs him of some of his ability and he is not as good of a player going forward.

There are no long term effects from ACL injuries once healed. The process takes 12-18 months to full recovery, and then it's like it never happened. I wouldn't let that affect the dynasty value of a 24 year old who tore it in Sept of 2011.

oh cmon. lots of players lose athleticism due to this injury.

Players lose athleticism in the immediate year after the ACL tear. I have Britt in 1 league and expect him to look average this year, but I can also understand why his dynasty ranking is so high. Britt will have a long NFL career. Not sure I will target him in redraft.

Only if he's abandoned his knuckleheaded "offseason arrest" tendencies. To his credit, he's kept his nose clean so far this year, so maybe he's finally turned a corner..

 

[cvnpoka]

this isnt a hack blog site. they are one of the best and respected.http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/05/03/why-derrick-roses-acl-tear-isnt-the-end-of-the-world/

Even athletic players such as Brandon Rush, Jamal Crawford (who maintains that his knee was actually better after the tear) or Corey Brewer — who can still do this after his ACL tear, yet doesn’t jump off his bad knee anyway — don’t use their athleticism in the same manner. Nor does someone like Tony Allen, a powerful athletic guard with a build akin to Rose, but without the other-worldly ability to change direction. Almost incomparably athletic players are almost incomparable.

thats just his opinion and his eyetest ofc. i disagree with his baron davis assessment later as i think baron wasnt as athletic after college. another guy who no one has heard of is bill walker who was a top high school recruit in the same class as rose. he tore his acl in high school and was never the same player, tho he still made the nba.http://popflyboys.com/2012/01/minute-with-meltdown-gridiron-greats-athletic-obituary/

James Gladstone, an orthopedic surgeon at Mt. Sinai Medical Center, believes running backs only return to play at approximately two-thirds of the level they were playing at before an ACL injury, that is if they return at all. Dr. James Carey conducted a study out of Vanderbilt University, and made some interesting notes about the difference between perception and reality. He found that NFL team physicians believed that 90-100% of all non-borderline players fully returned from ACL injuries. In reality, one-fifth of the injured players (7 out of 33 running backs and wide receivers) never played a down again.

cant really believe i have to prove this. and i doubt hammond will accept it anyway since it takes some serious delusion to arrive at his viewpoint in the first place. "no long terms," "like it never happened." man i shuda just said lol and moved on.

 

[az_prof]

The latest update on his knee is a bit concerning. If his knee is still swelling when he runs, that doesn't sound good. I guess you could read this positively and say he claims to be running at "mostly full speed," but I had knee surgery and my knee wasn't swelling up 7 or 8 months after the surgery. I don't think that is normal.

"“I’m out there running, mostly at full speed, cutting, running around,” Britt said. “The knee’s still swollen, but that comes with the territory and we’ve got three months before I get back on the field.”"

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/58455/kenny-britt-talks-rehab-progress-wright

 

[cstu]

The latest update on his knee is a bit concerning. If his knee is still swelling when he runs, that doesn't sound good. I guess you could read this positively and say he claims to be running at "mostly full speed," but I had knee surgery and my knee wasn't swelling up 7 or 8 months after the surgery. I don't think that is normal."“I’m out there running, mostly at full speed, cutting, running around,” Britt said. “The knee’s still swollen, but that comes with the territory and we’ve got three months before I get back on the field.”"http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/58455/kenny-britt-talks-rehab-progress-wright

I'm definitely concerned about Britt's rehab. He should be fine but he's not the most mature guy and ACL requires a lot of work (RICE - Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation) to recover properly. The swelling could indicate he's not doing what he supposed to.

 

[stbugs]

The latest update on his knee is a bit concerning. If his knee is still swelling when he runs, that doesn't sound good. I guess you could read this positively and say he claims to be running at "mostly full speed," but I had knee surgery and my knee wasn't swelling up 7 or 8 months after the surgery. I don't think that is normal."“I’m out there running, mostly at full speed, cutting, running around,” Britt said. “The knee’s still swollen, but that comes with the territory and we’ve got three months before I get back on the field.”"http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/58455/kenny-britt-talks-rehab-progress-wright

I'm definitely concerned about Britt's rehab. He should be fine but he's not the most mature guy and ACL requires a lot of work (RICE - Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation) to recover properly. The swelling could indicate he's not doing what he supposed to.

Agreed. The first thing I thought of was that Peterson sounds like he is close to the same point, yet he tore his months later. The big difference is that we know Peterson is doing all that he can to get back and Britt, well, who knows.

 

[Sabertooth]

The latest update on his knee is a bit concerning. If his knee is still swelling when he runs, that doesn't sound good. I guess you could read this positively and say he claims to be running at "mostly full speed," but I had knee surgery and my knee wasn't swelling up 7 or 8 months after the surgery. I don't think that is normal."“I’m out there running, mostly at full speed, cutting, running around,” Britt said. “The knee’s still swollen, but that comes with the territory and we’ve got three months before I get back on the field.”"http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/58455/kenny-britt-talks-rehab-progress-wright

I'm definitely concerned about Britt's rehab. He should be fine but he's not the most mature guy and ACL requires a lot of work (RICE - Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation) to recover properly. The swelling could indicate he's not doing what he supposed to.

Agreed. The first thing I thought of was that Peterson sounds like he is close to the same point, yet he tore his months later. The big difference is that we know Peterson is doing all that he can to get back and Britt, well, who knows.

Well, at least Britt hasn't shot anyone yet this offseason.

 

[cvnpoka]

did he have meniscus damage as well? im no doctor, but if its swelling to the degree its being reported, maybe he shouldnt be running full speed as much.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Yikes, Im steering clear

 

[djmich]

did he have meniscus damage as well? im no doctor, but if its swelling to the degree its being reported, maybe he shouldnt be running full speed as much.

To what degree has it been reported?

 

[Sabertooth]

did he have meniscus damage as well? im no doctor, but if its swelling to the degree its being reported, maybe he shouldnt be running full speed as much.

To what degree has it been reported?

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[cvnpoka]

did he have meniscus damage as well? im no doctor, but if its swelling to the degree its being reported, maybe he shouldnt be running full speed as much.

To what degree has it been reported?

it swelled enough that it merited being reported.

 

[stbugs]

The latest update on his knee is a bit concerning. If his knee is still swelling when he runs, that doesn't sound good. I guess you could read this positively and say he claims to be running at "mostly full speed," but I had knee surgery and my knee wasn't swelling up 7 or 8 months after the surgery. I don't think that is normal."“I’m out there running, mostly at full speed, cutting, running around,” Britt said. “The knee’s still swollen, but that comes with the territory and we’ve got three months before I get back on the field.”"http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/58455/kenny-britt-talks-rehab-progress-wright

I'm definitely concerned about Britt's rehab. He should be fine but he's not the most mature guy and ACL requires a lot of work (RICE - Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation) to recover properly. The swelling could indicate he's not doing what he supposed to.

Agreed. The first thing I thought of was that Peterson sounds like he is close to the same point, yet he tore his months later. The big difference is that we know Peterson is doing all that he can to get back and Britt, well, who knows.

Well, at least Britt hasn't shot anyone yet this offseason.

Well, duh, his knee is swelling. Can't shoot at someone if you aren't able to chase after someone.

 

[djmich]

did he have meniscus damage as well? im no doctor, but if its swelling to the degree its being reported, maybe he shouldnt be running full speed as much.

To what degree has it been reported?

it swelled enough that it merited being reported.

Anything gets reported. All I read was that Britt said it swelled.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Does this mean that the constant offers I get from owners trying to nab this guy from are going to stop? Or will they get even cheaper?

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

So you base your rankings solely on past results and not on your eyes? Not on high ceiling future potential at young age? Apparently, we have different dynasty philosophies. Do you find that waiting for a talented player to perform at an elite level on the field for a full season before ranking such a player highly works well in your dynasty leagues? I can assure you it wouldn't work well in mine.Incidentally, since you are knocking his ranking in the top 10-20, can we get a look at your top 20 dynasty WRs? Thanks.

using previous years stats as the holy grail of correctness is a slippery slope. Has AJ Green or Julio Jones had an elite season yet? no. are they in my top 4 behind only Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald? Yes.why? because from what I saw... they are clearly more talented than the other WRs in the league.Britt has shown quite a bit of talent since entering the league. You really have to take into account the type of offense he was in and the quarterbacks throwing him the ball before you look at his stats. I dont know that I see elite talent in Britt, (which I only consider 4 guys right now who are elite Calvin, Fitz, Green , Julio) butI certainly think he belongs in the Brandon Marshall, Hakeem Nicks territory. Obviously, there are quite a few concerns and personally I had to drop him for that, but, I dont see why its ridiculous to believe hes a top 10 dynasty guy. He certainly could be and you always want to jump on to early, rather than to late. Honestly, I wouldnt want him on some of my less successfull rosters right now, at least not as one of my substantial pieces, to much to potentially lose. but if I could get him for cheap enough and you deep enough as a team, I think hes someone who could pay off big time.

 

[az_prof]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

So you base your rankings solely on past results and not on your eyes? Not on high ceiling future potential at young age? Apparently, we have different dynasty philosophies. Do you find that waiting for a talented player to perform at an elite level on the field for a full season before ranking such a player highly works well in your dynasty leagues? I can assure you it wouldn't work well in mine.Incidentally, since you are knocking his ranking in the top 10-20, can we get a look at your top 20 dynasty WRs? Thanks.

using previous years stats as the holy grail of correctness is a slippery slope. Has AJ Green or Julio Jones had an elite season yet? no. are they in my top 4 behind only Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald? Yes.why? because from what I saw... they are clearly more talented than the other WRs in the league.Britt has shown quite a bit of talent since entering the league. You really have to take into account the type of offense he was in and the quarterbacks throwing him the ball before you look at his stats. I dont know that I see elite talent in Britt, (which I only consider 4 guys right now who are elite Calvin, Fitz, Green , Julio) butI certainly think he belongs in the Brandon Marshall, Hakeem Nicks territory. Obviously, there are quite a few concerns and personally I had to drop him for that, but, I dont see why its ridiculous to believe hes a top 10 dynasty guy. He certainly could be and you always want to jump on to early, rather than to late. Honestly, I wouldnt want him on some of my less successfull rosters right now, at least not as one of my substantial pieces, to much to potentially lose. but if I could get him for cheap enough and you deep enough as a team, I think hes someone who could pay off big time.

Of course you can't just predict based on last year. That's why I am not on the bandwagon that thinks Gronk is worth a first round pick. But to be a top 10 in any position, if you haven't shown consistent elite production, you simply don't belong there. It isn't like I am saying Britt sucks. I am just saying that compared to players like Marshall and Nicks, who have proven they can produce in the top 10 or top 20 at worst, Britt is a risk. Lots of players have flashed great play in a few games and then never amounted to much. He also is coming off an injury.And his team drafted another high draft pick at the same position.The QB situation is less than ideal.He has knucklehead issues.Put it all together and you have someone who should be going in the 20-25 range, rather than the 8-12 range.

 

[lbouchard]

The fact that he has not had one elite year or put together a consistent season IS the proof that people who rank him in the top 10, or even top 20, are over paying for him. The consensus dynasty ranking here at FBG ranks him WR11, right between Brandon Marshall and Roddy White. Want to see he is overrated there? Compare his production to theirs.

So you base your rankings solely on past results and not on your eyes? Not on high ceiling future potential at young age? Apparently, we have different dynasty philosophies. Do you find that waiting for a talented player to perform at an elite level on the field for a full season before ranking such a player highly works well in your dynasty leagues? I can assure you it wouldn't work well in mine.Incidentally, since you are knocking his ranking in the top 10-20, can we get a look at your top 20 dynasty WRs? Thanks.

using previous years stats as the holy grail of correctness is a slippery slope. Has AJ Green or Julio Jones had an elite season yet? no. are they in my top 4 behind only Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald? Yes.why? because from what I saw... they are clearly more talented than the other WRs in the league.Britt has shown quite a bit of talent since entering the league. You really have to take into account the type of offense he was in and the quarterbacks throwing him the ball before you look at his stats. I dont know that I see elite talent in Britt, (which I only consider 4 guys right now who are elite Calvin, Fitz, Green , Julio) butI certainly think he belongs in the Brandon Marshall, Hakeem Nicks territory. Obviously, there are quite a few concerns and personally I had to drop him for that, but, I dont see why its ridiculous to believe hes a top 10 dynasty guy. He certainly could be and you always want to jump on to early, rather than to late. Honestly, I wouldnt want him on some of my less successfull rosters right now, at least not as one of my substantial pieces, to much to potentially lose. but if I could get him for cheap enough and you deep enough as a team, I think hes someone who could pay off big time.

Of course you can't just predict based on last year. That's why I am not on the bandwagon that thinks Gronk is worth a first round pick. But to be a top 10 in any position, if you haven't shown consistent elite production, you simply don't belong there. It isn't like I am saying Britt sucks. I am just saying that compared to players like Marshall and Nicks, who have proven they can produce in the top 10 or top 20 at worst, Britt is a risk. Lots of players have flashed great play in a few games and then never amounted to much. He also is coming off an injury.And his team drafted another high draft pick at the same position.The QB situation is less than ideal.He has knucklehead issues.Put it all together and you have someone who should be going in the 20-25 range, rather than the 8-12 range.

I can't dispute the injury. While Wright plays WR, he is not a X like Britt is, nor will he be. More of a slot or Titus Young type. It'd matter if they both played say RB, but you need multiple WRs.Hass has shown a willingness to get it to Britt(look at first two games) and Locker loves to air it out and since he can run, might give Britt more space to work with. Locker locked on to Nate last year and Britt is miles better.He hasn't done anything stupid in quite a while. After his injury he got married in stayed in Tennessee. He was a knucklehead in the past but I think he's matured.

 

[Tau837]

to be a top 10 in any position, if you haven't shown consistent elite production, you simply don't belong there. It isn't like I am saying Britt sucks. I am just saying that compared to players like Marshall and Nicks, who have proven they can produce in the top 10 or top 20 at worst, Britt is a risk. Lots of players have flashed great play in a few games and then never amounted to much.

Do you think Luck, RGIII, Trent Richardson, or Blackmon belong in the top 10? How about past rookies, like ADP and Calvin Johnson? How long did it take you to believe they were worthy of a top 10 ranking?

 

[az_prof]

to be a top 10 in any position, if you haven't shown consistent elite production, you simply don't belong there. It isn't like I am saying Britt sucks. I am just saying that compared to players like Marshall and Nicks, who have proven they can produce in the top 10 or top 20 at worst, Britt is a risk. Lots of players have flashed great play in a few games and then never amounted to much.

Do you think Luck, RGIII, Trent Richardson, or Blackmon belong in the top 10? How about past rookies, like ADP and Calvin Johnson? How long did it take you to believe they were worthy of a top 10 ranking?

Luck and RGIII--NO way. I have been playing this game long enough that I have seen "can't miss" guys like them MISS. Do I like them? Sure. Top 10? No. Let's see what they can do against real competition before anointing them.Richardson? Yes. But that is because there just are not many elite, featured backs. And the hit rate for highly drafted RBs is pretty high. And once you get past the first 3 or so, there are question marks or age (backs age faster too).Blackmon? Not even close. I seriously doubt he will EVER merit being a top 10 Wr. ADP when he was a rookie? Yes. See what I said about Richardson--highly drafted RBs are pretty safe (short of injury) and there just are not many who can carry the load. They also are able to do pretty well even if the rest of the team sucks, but a QB with no WRs and even more so, a WR with a lousy QB, is really limited.Calvin is very different than Britt. He is much more physically talented. And he accomplished an ELITE season in his second year, whereas Britt has failed to have an elite season in his first three. That doesn't mean he won't, but I sure wouldn't grade him as if he had--he surely has had opportunity.

 

[Tau837]

to be a top 10 in any position, if you haven't shown consistent elite production, you simply don't belong there. It isn't like I am saying Britt sucks. I am just saying that compared to players like Marshall and Nicks, who have proven they can produce in the top 10 or top 20 at worst, Britt is a risk. Lots of players have flashed great play in a few games and then never amounted to much.

Do you think Luck, RGIII, Trent Richardson, or Blackmon belong in the top 10? How about past rookies, like ADP and Calvin Johnson? How long did it take you to believe they were worthy of a top 10 ranking?

Luck and RGIII--NO way. I have been playing this game long enough that I have seen "can't miss" guys like them MISS. Do I like them? Sure. Top 10? No. Let's see what they can do against real competition before anointing them.Richardson? Yes. But that is because there just are not many elite, featured backs. And the hit rate for highly drafted RBs is pretty high. And once you get past the first 3 or so, there are question marks or age (backs age faster too).Blackmon? Not even close. I seriously doubt he will EVER merit being a top 10 Wr. ADP when he was a rookie? Yes. See what I said about Richardson--highly drafted RBs are pretty safe (short of injury) and there just are not many who can carry the load. They also are able to do pretty well even if the rest of the team sucks, but a QB with no WRs and even more so, a WR with a lousy QB, is really limited.Calvin is very different than Britt. He is much more physically talented. And he accomplished an ELITE season in his second year, whereas Britt has failed to have an elite season in his first three. That doesn't mean he won't, but I sure wouldn't grade him as if he had--he surely has had opportunity.

Thanks, that pretty much supports what you said earlier. With the exception of #1 can't miss RBs, you truly don't rank any players highly until they have performed at a high level on the field in the NFL. So at least you are consistent.I have no idea how you are able to be successful in dynasty leagues by waiting until players are proven elite to rank them that way. That implies that you are always paying elite prices.

 

[az_prof]

to be a top 10 in any position, if you haven't shown consistent elite production, you simply don't belong there. It isn't like I am saying Britt sucks. I am just saying that compared to players like Marshall and Nicks, who have proven they can produce in the top 10 or top 20 at worst, Britt is a risk. Lots of players have flashed great play in a few games and then never amounted to much.

Do you think Luck, RGIII, Trent Richardson, or Blackmon belong in the top 10? How about past rookies, like ADP and Calvin Johnson? How long did it take you to believe they were worthy of a top 10 ranking?

Luck and RGIII--NO way. I have been playing this game long enough that I have seen "can't miss" guys like them MISS. Do I like them? Sure. Top 10? No. Let's see what they can do against real competition before anointing them.Richardson? Yes. But that is because there just are not many elite, featured backs. And the hit rate for highly drafted RBs is pretty high. And once you get past the first 3 or so, there are question marks or age (backs age faster too).Blackmon? Not even close. I seriously doubt he will EVER merit being a top 10 Wr. ADP when he was a rookie? Yes. See what I said about Richardson--highly drafted RBs are pretty safe (short of injury) and there just are not many who can carry the load. They also are able to do pretty well even if the rest of the team sucks, but a QB with no WRs and even more so, a WR with a lousy QB, is really limited.Calvin is very different than Britt. He is much more physically talented. And he accomplished an ELITE season in his second year, whereas Britt has failed to have an elite season in his first three. That doesn't mean he won't, but I sure wouldn't grade him as if he had--he surely has had opportunity.

Thanks, that pretty much supports what you said earlier. With the exception of #1 can't miss RBs, you truly don't rank any players highly until they have performed at a high level on the field in the NFL. So at least you are consistent.I have no idea how you are able to be successful in dynasty leagues by waiting until players are proven elite to rank them that way. That implies that you are always paying elite prices.

The past three seasons: 2 first places and a second place.

 

[cvnpoka]

sick sample size

 

[cstu]

Britt has played in 12 full games the past two years and put up 56/1046/12. Pro-rated for 16 games that's 74/1391/16.

 

[LuckyOne]

Britt's injury was not just an ACL tear. He completely tore his ACL and MCL. This is almost always accompanied with a torn meniscus. The terrible triad is a much more sever injury than a torn ACL. The swelling he's getting now is completely normal for such a severe injury, and in no way indicates that he isn't rehabbing properly. The fact that he is able to run at nearly full speed now is a good sign. However, the severity of the injury makes it somewhat unlikely that he'll be at full speed this year. In short, I'm worried about the injury in redrafts and much less concerned in dynasty.