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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts ...not updated yet but should be updated by this evening.Anyone have snap count data for him vs. NYJ?
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts ...not updated yet but should be updated by this evening.Anyone have snap count data for him vs. NYJ?
and meachemWatched the game and he appeared to be fourth in the pecking order after Graham, Moore and Toon. Made no sense to me as he makes plays given the opportunity, but that is the risk of playing a Saints wide.
Kenny Stills is expected to take on a bigger role in the wake of Lance Moore's release.
Stills already earned a surprisingly sizable role as a fifth-round rookie, playing on 708-of-1154 snaps (61.3 percent) and posting a 32-641-5 line. But he was just sixth on the team in targets with 51 (3.18 per game), a number that will naturally rise with Moore and Darren Sproles gone. Stills is a naturally exceptional playmaker capable of both deep routes and the quick-hitting routes Moore ran. His Dynasty arrow is pointing straight up.
Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
Care to put your $$$ where your mouth is? As a Saints fan, you should know that Stills only got playing time because Joseph Morgan tore his ACL. Stills caught 32 passes for 641 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He averaged 20 yards per catch.As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
I am not so sure about this, original plan may have been to have Morgan and Stills in there, Meachem might have been the Morgan fill-in. And it's hard to say what effect Moore's absences had.Care to put your $$$ where your mouth is? As a Saints fan, you should know that Stills only got playing time because Joseph Morgan tore his ACL. Stills caught 32 passes for 641 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He averaged 20 yards per catch.As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
Outside of the deep ball, which I give more credit to Drew Brees than anyone, I don't see it.
You think he's going to be in on all 2WR sets?
Remember Lesean McCoy? And what does $ have to do with anything? Stills is nothing like Meacham. Stills had a more prolific college career and his hands are much better. I have no problem with him lining up in 2 wr sets. The Saints won't be signing any big name fa. Graham is a much bigger priority. I'll trust my 7 years of not missing a Saints game. Stills is fine. Situation could be worse. I still see them drafting a wr in the first 3 rounds.Care to put your $$$ where your mouth is? As a Saints fan, you should know that Stills only got playing time because Joseph Morgan tore his ACL. Stills caught 32 passes for 641 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He averaged 20 yards per catch.As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
Outside of the deep ball, which I give more credit to Drew Brees than anyone, I don't see it.
You think he's going to be in on all 2WR sets?
stinky bait but i'll bite...Care to put your $$$ where your mouth is? As a Saints fan, you should know that Stills only got playing time because Joseph Morgan tore his ACL. Stills caught 32 passes for 641 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He averaged 20 yards per catch.As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
Outside of the deep ball, which I give more credit to Drew Brees than anyone, I don't see it.
You think he's going to be in on all 2WR sets?
Apparently the Saints did not tender Morgan an offer today also, so....stinky bait but i'll bite...Care to put your $$$ where your mouth is? As a Saints fan, you should know that Stills only got playing time because Joseph Morgan tore his ACL. Stills caught 32 passes for 641 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He averaged 20 yards per catch.As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
Outside of the deep ball, which I give more credit to Drew Brees than anyone, I don't see it.
You think he's going to be in on all 2WR sets?
stills is not the vertical option that henderson and meachem were. he has their speed and better hands. he's willing to catch in the middle of the field, make a play on the ball and take a hit. stills is playing up to his potential.
speculating on morgan vs stills is asinine. morgan's injury gave stills opportunity but most rookies play behind. they also usually don't start to show up, especially in a complicated offense like NO's, until late in the season. stills did just that.
now, what is the wager?
Meh. It's about the cost of the tender here. They're just letting him hit the market but will likely make an offer for less than that.Apparently the Saints did not tender Morgan an offer today also, so....stinky bait but i'll bite...Care to put your $$$ where your mouth is? As a Saints fan, you should know that Stills only got playing time because Joseph Morgan tore his ACL. Stills caught 32 passes for 641 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He averaged 20 yards per catch.As a Saints fan I can see that you take your time out to watch Sports center highlights.I might be wrong but I don't see it with Stills. I think he's Robert Meachem 2.0. If that's what you're gunning for, he's got that potential but not much after that, imo.
Outside of the deep ball, which I give more credit to Drew Brees than anyone, I don't see it.
You think he's going to be in on all 2WR sets?
stills is not the vertical option that henderson and meachem were. he has their speed and better hands. he's willing to catch in the middle of the field, make a play on the ball and take a hit. stills is playing up to his potential.
speculating on morgan vs stills is asinine. morgan's injury gave stills opportunity but most rookies play behind. they also usually don't start to show up, especially in a complicated offense like NO's, until late in the season. stills did just that.
now, what is the wager?
The Saints are "very comfortable" with Kenny Stills as their No. 2 receiver.
With New Orleans moving on from Darren Sproles and Lance Moore, Stills is going to take on a larger role this year. He's a lock to better his 32/641/5 line from 2013, but could continue to see inconsistent targets as the primary deep threat. ESPN's Mike Triplett would take the "under" on a 1,000-yard season from Stills.
Source: ESPN.com
It's been a nice offseason for Kenny Stills' Fantasy prospects.
The Saints didn't re-sign Lance Moore, clearing the way for Stills to be the unquestioned No. 2 receiver. They traded Darren Sproles, who ranked third on the team with 89 targets. Between Sproles and Moore, there are 143 more targets to go around. Marques Colston turns 31 in June.
All the evidence suggests Stills will capitalize. He played 798 snaps as a rookie, or 61 percent of the offensive plays, as coaches trusted him to play more than Moore.
He was an exceptional deep threat. Of his 50 targets, 15 came at least 20 yards downfield, per Pro Football Focus. Stills caught six of those for a whopping 340 yards and five touchdowns. His average depth of target, 16.9 yards, ranked among the league's best.
Stills showed he could be more than a deep threat. He dropped one pass all year and caught 29 of 35 throws targeted inside 20 yards.
"It's hard as a rookie to say that that was our plan to begin with,” coach Sean Payton told ESPN.com after the season. “But to his credit, he came in right away in the rookie camps and training camp and very quickly picked up what we were doing.
"He's somebody that studies and picks the game up very quickly. He can run exceptionally well, and we just have to keep looking for ways to get him the football."
Dave Richard notes Stills wasn't consistent last year, producing four games with 10-plus Fantasy points and 11 with four points or fewer. "To put it simply, he only helped Fantasy owners when he was able to score – he never had enough work to get by on his receptions and yardage alone. That has to change, and according to many observers in New Orleans it will change. Stills will be given the opportunity to play more often, run new routes and be a bigger contributor for the Saints. That puts him in the breakout category, making him a potential No. 3 Fantasy WR worth a middle-to late- round pick this summer."
Jamey Eisenberg pegs Stills as one of his early sleepers, saying "you want receivers who have the chance to play with outstanding quarterbacks. Stills is someone to target with a late-round pick, and his value (for now) is better in standard leagues than PPR formats."
Richard and Eisenberg currently rank Stills in the high 40s among wideouts. He's being selected on average in the 12th round (53rd WR) in early drafts on myfantasyleague.com.
There is tremendous value here. The Saints are expected to draft a receiver, but not in the first round. Robert Meachem returns but mainly as a blocker.
If Colston breaks down and misses time, which is not far-fetched, Stills would vie with Pierre Thomas to be Drew Brees' favorite target behind Jimmy Graham. That would be a Fantasy bonanza.
The NFL's best QB rating when throwing to a single wide receiver last season was Drew Brees to Kenny Stills (139.3).
Don't underestimate Stills' rookie season just because he only had 32 catches. He dropped just one pass on 51 targets, led the NFL in yards per catch (20.0) and turned five of his grabs into touchdowns. He was extremely efficient while also producing big plays, a surefire sign of chemistry. Now ticketed for a bigger role in the wake of Lance Moore's release, Stills carries plenty of upside into his second season.
Related: Drew Brees
Source: Pro Football Focus on Twitter
I dont know, teams generally dont trade up for a special teamer.In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
Couple major differences between Austin and Cooks (aside from physical):In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
Graham? To even forget about him and not consider him in the long term plans seems like you are trying to pump up players of which you own.I dont know, teams generally dont trade up for a special teamer.In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
I think with Colston slowing down two, the future could be now for both Stills and Cooks being the main cogs in the O
Welcome back from your suspension.Graham? To even forget about him and not consider him in the long term plans seems like you are trying to pump up players of which you own.I dont know, teams generally dont trade up for a special teamer.In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
I think with Colston slowing down two, the future could be now for both Stills and Cooks being the main cogs in the O
Ahh, it wont be my last, a lot of sensitive people view these boards and get upset with the harsh reality I provide.Welcome back from your suspension.Graham? To even forget about him and not consider him in the long term plans seems like you are trying to pump up players of which you own.I dont know, teams generally dont trade up for a special teamer.In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
I think with Colston slowing down two, the future could be now for both Stills and Cooks being the main cogs in the O
Jimmy Graham's role in the offense is a given, certainly the two young WR can carve out a niche for themselves. Jimmy wont catch every pass and every TD
thanks for you input though
sigh, move along trollAhh, it wont be my last, a lot of sensitive people view these boards and get upset with the harsh reality I provide.Welcome back from your suspension.Graham? To even forget about him and not consider him in the long term plans seems like you are trying to pump up players of which you own.I dont know, teams generally dont trade up for a special teamer.In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
I think with Colston slowing down two, the future could be now for both Stills and Cooks being the main cogs in the O
Jimmy Graham's role in the offense is a given, certainly the two young WR can carve out a niche for themselves. Jimmy wont catch every pass and every TD
thanks for you input though
You were the one who forgot Graham, I would come back with "his role is a given" especially after you just expressed that the main cogs were Stills and Cooks not Graham. Say which one do you own?
Troll? We will get back to that in a second as anytime someone posts something someone disagrees with, they call them a troll.sigh, move along trollAhh, it wont be my last, a lot of sensitive people view these boards and get upset with the harsh reality I provide.Welcome back from your suspension.Graham? To even forget about him and not consider him in the long term plans seems like you are trying to pump up players of which you own.I dont know, teams generally dont trade up for a special teamer.In my mind, Cooks = Tavon Austin...basically just a gimmick player that can add to your special teams mostly. I don't think he'll be a consistent contributor like Stills can be.
I'm not sure what people are expecting from Cooks but I'd start with Tavon's numbers as a good barometer. Might get some end arounds, bubble screens, etc. for scores, but I wouldn't expect a big impact via the passing game.
I think Kenny Stills is good for 70 or more receptions for 1200 yds and 8 tds. I still have nightmares of him lighting up that Florida State secondary 2 years ago and FSU had a great secondary. And now he's on a team with Drew Brees throwing him the ball.
I think with Colston slowing down two, the future could be now for both Stills and Cooks being the main cogs in the O
Jimmy Graham's role in the offense is a given, certainly the two young WR can carve out a niche for themselves. Jimmy wont catch every pass and every TD
thanks for you input though
You were the one who forgot Graham, I would come back with "his role is a given" especially after you just expressed that the main cogs were Stills and Cooks not Graham. Say which one do you own?
yeah I forgot Graham is saint, sheesh
I agree that Stills looks like a better all-around player at this point in his career than Henderson or Meachem ever did, but I still think he fills that "role" on the offense, which I think is certainly a role given that we've seen at least 2 different players in that role going back to 2006 (Brees' first year in NO). With all of the underneath stuff to the TE, the RBs, and Colston basically being another "slot TE" type, they need someone to test the defense deep or the middle gets too clogged. And Payton has consistently done so.I think comparisons to Meachem and/or Henderson are off. Each was a strictly vertical, downfield target for Brees in the scheme. Neither of the were good at working the middle of the field or in traffic. Stills has, to this point, shown himself to be a target in the mid-range game. He has good speed (something like 4.5 at the Combine) and strength to break off a few additional YAC. Don't let the yards per reception fool you.
I think that is yet to be determined I own both in different dyno leaguesCooks > Stills
Anyone disagree?
Sure but that's like saying Sproles is(was) over StillsCooks > Stills
Anyone disagree?
Obviously we'll need to see what happens but I'd think if all goes according to plan, cooks will be the go to after Graham in a couple years. Stills will be the deep threat. Not a guy I'd trust to start and get points each week but great in best ball or if you want to take risk with your WR3/4 slot. Similar to Hilton in that regard.Cooks > Stills
Anyone disagree?
He's on the end of my bench in a 0.5 PPR. Thinking of dropping him for a Hurns, John Brown or D. Moore type. I don't know if I'd ever be able to start him unless I had to, anyway.Bumping this up.
Where do people have Stills in their leagues? I think he is good in a best ball format not standard fantasy. I'm not sure I love his consistency. And right now he's got quad issues too.
He's nearly last on my bench in a dynasty - no ppr. I spot started him last year and think he's a decent swing for the fences play. I'm going to need to see a step forward this year or I'll move onto better options.Plorfu said:He's on the end of my bench in a 0.5 PPR. Thinking of dropping him for a Hurns, John Brown or D. Moore type. I don't know if I'd ever be able to start him unless I had to, anyway.buddhacwru said:Bumping this up.
Where do people have Stills in their leagues? I think he is good in a best ball format not standard fantasy. I'm not sure I love his consistency. And right now he's got quad issues too.
http://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/3591/15-fantasy-football-transactions-for-week-10Since the Saints' Week 6 bye, Kenny Stills has 14 catches for 232 yards and a touchdown. He has 17 targets over this time, just a single target behind Marques Colston, and 4 more than Brandin Cooks.
Though he'll be a volatile play - like any non-Jimmy Graham target in the Saints offense - the Saints have a decent enough upcoming schedule (plenty of games at home, too) to warrant an add.
He's pretty much a crap shoot. Depending on your league, he's barely startable.Interested in thoughts on him since the bye. Seems to be earning a bigger role and thinking about adding him to fill a couple bye weeks
ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett expects the Saints to rely more on Kenny Stills and Marques Colston with Brandin Cooks (thumb) out 2-4 weeks.
Stills was quietly one of the league's more impressive rookies last year. He hasn't been overly productive this year as he's executed the Devery Henderson/Robert Meachem vertical role, but he has shown well lately with 21 catches and two touchdowns over his last five games. Now ticketed for more high-percentage routes that Cooks left behind, Stills is a borderline WR3. Colston and Jimmy Graham also get ticks up.
Related: Marques Colston, Jimmy Graham
Source: ESPN.com
Nov 17 - 11:47 AM
I've got the same bye week guys, but I'm leaning toward starting Crowell over Stills at my flex. I do like those MNF games, though.gonna roll him out this week. brown and kb on bye. big week please
yeah. it's start 3 wr and i got alshon locked in so probably rolling stills and hurns if i can get them pff waivers.TheCommish said:I've got the same bye week guys, but I'm leaning toward starting Crowell over Stills at my flex. I do like those MNF games, though.Ace zero1 said:gonna roll him out this week. brown and kb on bye. big week please