jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Hey guys just curious how you see K.Stills role for 2014? I could see him as a WR in most 14 plus leagues if he just avgd 2 or 3 more targets a game. I think he has more upside then Henderson or Meacham did.
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Kenny Stills what's in store for 2014 (1 Viewer)
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Are you sure? Dude wasn't even a starter til injuries opened the door for him. With this draft class, no way the Saints don't grab a receiver.
FUBAR
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He is more talented then Devery Henderson but for next year I see him being just as inconsistent as Henderson was when he was with the Saints. I think it takes another year before he becomes a big fantasy asset. I think the buy low time is now. I also think he will be great for best ball leagues.
nightmare
Footballguy
Saints might have to much $$$ in their RB and WR positions to draft a WR high.
I think they give Stills and Toon another season to see what they have. The price
for Stills is only going to get higher as the season approaches. Buy now and hold.
Right now the only consistent target week to week is J Graham.
I think they give Stills and Toon another season to see what they have. The price
for Stills is only going to get higher as the season approaches. Buy now and hold.
Right now the only consistent target week to week is J Graham.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Why does it matter where they draft their receiver? I thought all rookie contracts were paid based on draft position now, not position played.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Although there are many quality WR available in this draft I do not see the Saints making an investment at the WR high enough to beat out Stills who is a very good WR imho.
Colston has been a great WR for the Saints and Brees does seem to prefer a larger target (I think this is partly due to Brees being a shorter QB who uses movement to buy time then wanting a larger target on the move) but Colston has lingering injuries and Still performed very well for them as a rookie. So I see Stills targets going up in 2014.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Gets passed by joe morgan imo
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
very doubtful this happens, and as a saints fan I love Joe.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
- Not bad for a rookie: Stills played more snaps than any skill position player outside of Graham and Colston. The team showed trust in him during the preseason opener -- and it never wavered all season long. ... Meanwhile, fellow rookies Armstead and Robinson came on strong late. Armstead actually played more snaps in the playoffs (148) than in the regular season. And Robinson played 31 snaps in the playoffs -- nearly half of his regular-season total.
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Kenny-Stills-voted-as-most-impressive-New-Orleans-Saints-offensive-rookie-by-fans/a13a4f5b-6402-4149-9fc8-1e307b6d3957
nightmare
Footballguy
msudaisy 26- I think the Saints draft an O-lineman, S, CB, and OLB before a WR.
A WR drafted in the 4th or 5th this year could(probably) be better then Stills.
Right now, it's (probably)Stills, after the draft and free agency I still think it will be Stills.
I mention the money as the total they're spending-not a individual position, and this is
BEFORE they franchise J Graham. Colston and Moore count 13 mill against the cap,
The 3 RB's-7.4 mill.
I think the Saints make changes in the offense one skill player at a time. K Stills in, L Moore
out or reduced. Maybe K Robinson takes some of P Thomas's time but he's not done
yet. I think the 2013 Pats give a good lesson in not changing too much. How good P Thomas
still can be is a whole nother thread.
A WR drafted in the 4th or 5th this year could(probably) be better then Stills.
Right now, it's (probably)Stills, after the draft and free agency I still think it will be Stills.
I mention the money as the total they're spending-not a individual position, and this is
BEFORE they franchise J Graham. Colston and Moore count 13 mill against the cap,
The 3 RB's-7.4 mill.
I think the Saints make changes in the offense one skill player at a time. K Stills in, L Moore
out or reduced. Maybe K Robinson takes some of P Thomas's time but he's not done
yet. I think the 2013 Pats give a good lesson in not changing too much. How good P Thomas
still can be is a whole nother thread.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't follow the Saints that much, so I will take your word on what they need. Where I disagreed with you was drafting the receiver high because of the perceived cost. The cost of the 1st round receiver vs a 1st round linebacker or tackle will cost the same amount. With the new rookie contracts they are paid by where they are drafted.
I believe Lance Moore will be cut.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Mr. Irrelevant
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Thanks for posting ... kind of a surprise to see Stills was so heavily utilized out of the gate last season.Biabreakable said:
He went WR48 on average in the WSL's - just behind Dobson, Jennings, and James Jones and just ahead of Nicks, T. Williams, and Hunter.
In most leagues I like drafting two steady WRs early to hold down the fort, and then taking a bunch of shots at the WR3/4/5 slots on guys who could blow up as the penalty for misses is virtually zero (just drop them and mine the WW). Stills fits the bill and right now (pre-FA, pre-draft) I'd take him over everyone in that ADP range above except T-Will and maybe Hunter. He could put up 1,000/8 next year and it wouldn't shock me.
Of course all this could change by the time most redrafts actually happen, but on the other hand he could represent really good value depending on how the Saints' situation unfolds through FA and the draft. I'll be keeping a close eye on him over the summer.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
I think what is overlooked on Stills is he did all that in his rookie yr as a 5th rnd pick. Learning curve is large for wrs. I think he still has some ceiling to reach.
saintfool
Dead sexy
It would be a real vote of confidence if the Saints did not draft another WR in the early rounds. They have done well to grab talent on the offensive side in later rounds or UDFA. I suspect that they will still continue in the offseason. As far as the status of the current players, I would expect that Moore is cut or comes back at a greaty reduced contract. He was injured again last year and was mostly irrelevant when he was playing. Colston apparently was injured - again - but seemed to played better down the stretch. Despite what others say, he is clearly in decline. Any observer would agree with this as numbers don't look like it was much of a drop off in terms of production. Still has opportunity here. If he can learn some new routes so that he can be moved around the field some, he can make some serious hay for the Saints. He is tough, reliable and that will get the attention of Brees.msudaisy26 said:
For the draft, the Saints need - in order of urgency - CB, OT, OLB, WR. They're fine at Safety with Vaccaro and Jenkins. Streif was kind of ####ty. Galette is a great rush OLB but they don't know who will play opposite him. They need some fresh blood in the WR corps. This is a draft to pick up a quality WR to develop.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Something has to be dome with the receiving corps, there was an alarming lack of separation at key times against key teams, and nearly always on the road.
The rumor everyone keeps talking about is Moore being released. I don't know that's going to happen in the offseason, but if they draft a good WR who shows up on the field in TC & preseason then I could see him losing his job by or just before the fall.
Personally, to me, knowing Payton, all of Meachem, Toon, Moore, and Morgan are on the bubble.
And yes I can see the Saints drafting a WR. I would not be surprised if, obviously if it's the right one they want, they even take one in the 1st round. The tricky thing is the Saints rely very heavily on longstanding timing and chemistry between the WRs and Brees. Moore and Meach has that going for them much more than Morgan and Toon.
Everyone loves Morgan, but he has to show he can come back from his injury. You can also be sure that Payton will want big, tall guys who can out-muscle the top defenses in the conference like SEA, SF and CAR.
The rumor everyone keeps talking about is Moore being released. I don't know that's going to happen in the offseason, but if they draft a good WR who shows up on the field in TC & preseason then I could see him losing his job by or just before the fall.
Personally, to me, knowing Payton, all of Meachem, Toon, Moore, and Morgan are on the bubble.
And yes I can see the Saints drafting a WR. I would not be surprised if, obviously if it's the right one they want, they even take one in the 1st round. The tricky thing is the Saints rely very heavily on longstanding timing and chemistry between the WRs and Brees. Moore and Meach has that going for them much more than Morgan and Toon.
Everyone loves Morgan, but he has to show he can come back from his injury. You can also be sure that Payton will want big, tall guys who can out-muscle the top defenses in the conference like SEA, SF and CAR.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Saints are also looking at De La Puente and Strief on the line as FA's. I think they definitely want to keep De La Puente, and though Strief has his deficiencies likely him as well. The Saints need to build backup depth not cause new problems in the starting front 5.
The disturbing thing last year for Pierre was the way his average went down. They could have definitely used him in the playoff game though - they really like/want/need what he does on the screen. The rumor around here is they are looking at Hill from LSU in the draft, but even so I'm not sure what they do in that screen part of the offense which is so important; Sproles is not enough and they want both flexibility and depth (and the last few years depth has meant 5 RBs, with 2 power backs and Sproles/Pierre/Cadet).
They have some decisions to make.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I think teams have kind of figured out the screen play to Pierre, much in the same way they have figured out Sproles dump passes. Some of it is the playcalling is habituated but also opposing defenses are getting better. Both RBs are finally showing some wear and tear on the tires maybe. In years prior, Thomas was the heart and soul of the offense. This year not so much.
I'm inclined to believe that some real change is in order. Ingram and Robinson make a nice 1-2 punch at RB. I think Moore is done in NO. Drew didn't look his way when he was healthy. I expect Stills to emerge as a playmaker with another offseason. Payton needs to expand and balance the offense, the passing game especially, beyond Graham. Jimmy's a freak but he is proving to be a knucklehead and soft. I hope he holds out because players like Stills would benefit the most from his absence.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Stills I think did enough to give Payton hope he can turn into 1a or 1b
Biabreakable
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saintfool
Dead sexy
I'm not entirely sure this has much to do with Stills but whatever.
If I am the Miami Dophins, I might be interested in Thomas. In Minnesota, he could be a great complement to, say, ADP and has familiarity with the new OC there.
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False Start
Footballguy
I can see getting rid of Moore. Thomas makes sense because Ingram will get his real shot this year and they may draft a guy. Sproles makes no sense, he is a part of this offense and still has a major impact. The only difference statistically that was different were his TDs were down, he still caught 71 passes.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think Sproles might be a wearing down. Yes, he caught tons of passes but not nearly enough for 1st downs (Tied for 4th). i thought his impact this year was pretty minimal. he might be better used as a ST and gadget player if they are only going to throw to him in the flat. I don't see them adding a RB as Robinson is emerging alongside an established player like Ingram.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
So Ingram is established? What does a guy have to do to be a bust these days?
The team looked old and slow in the second half last year. Time to clear out some deadwood and move ahead. I'm holding onto Robinson and hope for the best but the smart move would be to add a wr and a rb in the draft.
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False Start
Footballguy
His impact was the same, just few scores. look it up. The catches and yards are the same as they have been for years.
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False Start
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They Saints are what they have been, made the Playoffs this past year. This site is starting to hurt my head with what people say and believe. So much follow the popular opinion/leader on here it's almost too much. I have the ticket just to watch the Saints games, I have seen a team that needs to get better on defense, not offense.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
It's a waste to have a qb like Brees and no weapons outside of Graham. I can't believe you watched them play in the second half of last year and can't see how old and slow they are on offense. Take out the Cowboys game (because their defense was awful) and the Bucs the last game of the year and they scored 131 pts in their last7 games, less than 20 points a game. They played very good defenses but they looked bad on offense and they didn't put the numbers up.
For the first time in a long time, their defense kept them in a lot of games last year when the offense wasn't doing much. Sure they need more help on defense but it's past time for them to get some talent at wr and rb.
False Start
Footballguy
Voice of unreason is right. Is today opposite day? Sproles is a weapon, your point of view does not change what I saw last year.
Almost every single metric dropped for him last season, and most of them have dropped for 2 consecutive seasons.
Doug B
Footballguy
Sproles may or may not stay around, but Eminence and voiceofunreason are right: Sean Payton is going to reboot the offense. He did it before going into 2011 ... no reason to think he won't play that card again. Brees is still good enough to open a championship window, but he needs some (not all) different pieces around him.
Keep in mind that the Saints are chasing Seattle now, and the 2011-13 Saints' offense can't do squat against the Seahawks. Payton will adjust, taking into account what Brees can still do well -- and what he cannot do -- as he ages.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I might have been the only person still wondering if Moore had a role in the offense or not. This suggests he may not so I thought that was notable in regards to Stills.
Sproles gets a lot of targets as well so if he were not to get those there will be a larger pie available to the receivers that do.
Also noting that the salary cap situation indicates they are looking to save money at skill positions instead of looking to spend money at those positions as well.
Not reading so much into it as a total reboot of the offense, but some change is afoot. Stills seems like he will be one of the benefactors of the change.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Colston's extension cements him in place for now at least. Graham is the obvious 1, but Stills can move up the ladder to 1B and dropping either Thomas or Sproles really spikes the target opportunities for Stills.
Biabreakable
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New Orleans is trying to trade wide receiver Kenny Still per sources #Saints
I wonder why the Saints are trying to move Stills?
New Orleans is trying to trade wide receiver Kenny Still per sources #Saints
I wonder why the Saints are trying to move Stills?
Doug B
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Wallace and Stills outside, Landry and Cameron inside. Pretty sexy.
Unless Wallace leaves, which seems possible.
