Because???Buy Smith
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
Because all leshoure can handle, thus far, has been rehab and getting high.Because???Buy Smith
This conclusion seems pretty overblown to me. Do you mind a link to "every report coming out of Detroit?" According to the Detroit Free Press, he is back practicing and will play a significant role in the offense going forward. But anyone who drafted Smith would have known this was an RBBC once Leshoure was off suspension."All he can handle" implies he's gonna take over as the feature back ala Rice, McCoy, etc. Smith is a quality player when healthy andt he only thing we've seen from LEshoure was this preseason where he averaged a whopping 2.2 ypc and appeared to be dancing all over the place trying to find a hole.Seems like every report coming out of detroit is basically saying the Lions will give Leshoure all he can handle.I know Smith was a hot name being tossed out as steal in later rounds. What's the thinking now?
Because all leshoure can handle, thus far, has been rehab and getting high.Because???Buy Smith
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
Leshoure might not be activated: Lions running back Mikel Leshoure is eligible to return to the active roster Week 3 against the Titans after serving a two-game suspension. But during a radio interview Tuesday, according to MLive.com, Lions coach Jim Schwartz isn't declaring a Leshoure return just yet. "I don't know if it's a given, but he's on his way,"
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
I will bet anyone here $10K that he's activated this weekend.Leshoure might not be activated: Lions running back Mikel Leshoure is eligible to return to the active roster Week 3 against the Titans after serving a two-game suspension. But during a radio interview Tuesday, according to MLive.com, Lions coach Jim Schwartz isn't declaring a Leshoure return just yet. "I don't know if it's a given, but he's on his way,"
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yup, absolutely and I bought. You don't win them all like I said because at the end of the day the player needs to perform. If given the choice I'd take the chance on the guy the staff likes and will give the opportunity over the guy that I think is great but for whatever reason the coaching staff will never give them the shot (Jerius Norwood - although I never liked him he was a good example).Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Doesn't that back up what he's saying? They kept saying nice things about Felix, even though we were rarely seeing it in games. Yet they kept giving him opportunities, so he was doing something that made them believers.Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
We've also seen Smith get hurt a lot and be cut by the Lions. So what's your point?Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
And people on these boards use to say all kinds of bad things about foster. So, what's your point?Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
This is where I am on this. I know when you post in a forum like this, that the initial responses you get are the people who own smith rushing to defend him and the people that own LeShoure rushing in to pump him up. But let's be unbiased if we can and really dig into this:From what I've seen, you've got a guy that was CUT from the team. then resigned after noone in the league wanted him and then proceeded to pay well, BUT, as is his M.O. could not stay healthy. Meanwhile, you have two players (Best and LeShoure) whom we have multiple, multiple reports from the coaches themselves raving about these guys (wasn't one of the HC's remarks something akin to watching porn when he watched Best or something to that affect?). Then, you've got both of these players not available and Smith sticks, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, you've got reports that the Lions are kicking the tires on FA Rbs. And now you have LeShoure coming back and reports are from all sources around the teams (the important ones..the OC and coaches), saying we are going to give this guy everything he can handle.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
What has actually happened? So far all leshoure hype is 100% coachspeak and a bunch of sheeple fantasy fanbois going crazy thinking he is the next adrien petersen.It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what ahs actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
And they gave him all kinds of opportunities to be the man. So you must be saying LeShoure will be given multiple opportunities to be the man as well.Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
If you wait until it's happened you're too late.What has actually happened? So far all leshoure hype is 100% coachspeak and a bunch of sheeple fantasy fanbois going crazy thinking he is the next adrien petersen.It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what ahs actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
I'll gladly be late to the Mark Ingram 2.0 party.If you wait until it's happened you're too late.
No way. Hes going to get way more touches than Wilson is right off the batLeshoure is about as valuable this season as David Wilson. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
might be but they were calling Trent Richardson Ingram 2.0 last week....maybe Ingram 3.0. I'm not sure why everything has to be so black and white and absolute with some with people. They are either Adrian Peterson (as you said some are expecting) or a bust like Ingram. I don't know if Leshoure is going to be good, no one does but you have to take shots at guys in good situations with talent that are supported by the coaching staff that you can get cheap. He may work out and he may not but if you hit on a guy like this in an offense like Detroit you can win your league.I'll gladly be late to the Mark Ingram 2.0 party.If you wait until it's happened you're too late.
Jaquizz Rogers anyoneDallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
I don't know if the final chapter has been written in that book yet.Jaquizz Rogers anyoneDallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.Because???Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
This is what Schwartz said today:“He’s a good player, he’s healthy and we’re looking forward to get him back on the field.”And now you have LeShoure coming back and reports are from all sources around the teams (the important ones..the OC and coaches), saying we are going to give this guy everything he can handle.
Ok, for my two cents, and this is nothing against the people here that support Smith, I think the better source to listen to is the words and actions of the team coaches. It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what has actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
might be but they were calling Trent Richardson Ingram 2.0 last week....maybe Ingram 3.0. I'm not sure why everything has to be so black and white and absolute with some with people. They are either Adrian Peterson (as you said some are expecting) or a bust like Ingram. I don't know if Leshoure is going to be good, no one does but you have to take shots at guys in good situations with talent that are supported by the coaching staff that you can get cheap. He may work out and he may not but if you hit on a guy like this in an offense like Detroit you can win your league.I'll gladly be late to the Mark Ingram 2.0 party.If you wait until it's happened you're too late.
The gap most likely is a short yardage, goal-line, get a yard or two on your own back with more power than anyone else the Lions currently have on their roster. I'm not convinced he will clearly be an upgrade there, but it figures to be the first opportunity he will have to carve out a consistent role in Detroit's offense. As a result, I would think Leshoure's value is greatest in TD heavy leagues.There are so many variables at play in the Lions backfield that Leshoure is mostly just a lottery ticket at this point, and one without that much of a big payout unless Smith gets hurt (this part isn't too hard to imagine), Best cannot play this season (again, easy to imagine, although I'm less convinced than most in the Shark Pool that Best will not play this season), and Detroit doesn't bring in someone from the outside. The biggest variable of all is that we haven't seen Leshoure do anything in real NFL games. If you want to argue that we haven't seen him NOT succeed, then that's fine. It wouldn't be the first time an unproved running back performed well given an opportunity. Remember Gado? However, I would be careful not to count too heavily or give up much of anything (even a roster drop) for Leshoure given all the uncertainties spelled out above.also a good quote from the article....“We’ve been waiting to see him for a long time,” Schwartz said today. “We drafted him in the second round, we had high expectations for him. He was showing us all the things we needed before his rookie year when he got hurt and he flashed in the preseason here, knocking the rust off No. 1, but No. 2 doing some of the things that we have some gaps in our offense that I think he can fill.
'Shutout said:This is where I am on this. I know when you post in a forum like this, that the initial responses you get are the people who own smith rushing to defend him and the people that own LeShoure rushing in to pump him up. But let's be unbiased if we can and really dig into this:From what I've seen, you've got a guy that was CUT from the team. then resigned after noone in the league wanted him and then proceeded to pay well, BUT, as is his M.O. could not stay healthy. Meanwhile, you have two players (Best and LeShoure) whom we have multiple, multiple reports from the coaches themselves raving about these guys (wasn't one of the HC's remarks something akin to watching porn when he watched Best or something to that affect?). Then, you've got both of these players not available and Smith sticks, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, you've got reports that the Lions are kicking the tires on FA Rbs. And now you have LeShoure coming back and reports are from all sources around the teams (the important ones..the OC and coaches), saying we are going to give this guy everything he can handle.'Banger said:but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.'Raider Nation said:Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.'Shutout said:Because???'BroadwayG said:Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Ok, for my two cents, and this is nothing against the people here that support Smith, I think the better source to listen to is the words and actions of the team coaches. It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what has actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
Same thought here. Most guys don't make it back to the NFL after his injury. We don't even know if he was NFL caliber prior to his injury. Smart money is on Smith. FWIW, I was high on LeShoure prior to injury. At this point, I wouldn't spend a roster spot on him.'Dought Man said:Everything he can handle this week will be 4 carries for 5 yards.
It pains me to say it bc I love smith. He is a great story. And he plays hard. But I agree. The writing is on the wall that the team would like to see leshoure step up and take the job with smith playing a complimentary role.'Banger said:but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.'Raider Nation said:Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.'Shutout said:Because???'BroadwayG said:Buy Smith
The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
First off, the article did not say that he "WILL PLAY" a significant role; it said that he's "EXPECTED TO PLAY" a significant role."will" <> "expected"%26%2339%3BPhantomJB%26%2339%3B said:This conclusion seems pretty overblown to me. Do you mind a link to "every report coming out of Detroit?" According to the Detroit Free Press, he is back practicing and will play a significant role in the offense going forward.%2526%252339%253BShutout%2526%252339%253B said:Seems like every report coming out of detroit is basically saying the Lions will give Leshoure all he can handle.
I know Smith was a hot name being tossed out as steal in later rounds. What's the thinking now?
Are you serious? We've seen Smith get cut by the Lions and sit unemployed for most of last season. Only team he could get a job with was the Lions and it was out of sheer desperation on their part. Than this off season there was close to zero demand for his services with again the only job he could get was a one year deal at or near the veteran minimum. By the various accounts I read he was ticketed for third string duty with the Lions but they only turned back to him again out of sheer desperation.'Raider Nation said:Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.'Shutout said:Because???'BroadwayG said:Buy Smith
Kevin Smith was never the defined starter. He was the starter by default.Has anyone seen or heard anything where te coaching staff is talking about Smiths role going forward? Usually in a case where you have a defined starter (az with wells for instance) the staff usually will be politically correct and say we're gonna play the hot hand, or X is our starter but they'll both play or things along those lines.
We haven't seen Leshoure be a productive NFL player. Lemme know if there are other obvious answers I can provide.'Shutout said:We've also seen Smith get hurt a lot and be cut by the Lions. So what's your point?'Raider Nation said:Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.'Shutout said:Because???'BroadwayG said:Buy Smith
Pretty sure I am, yes.Are you serious?'Raider Nation said:Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.'Shutout said:Because???'BroadwayG said:Buy Smith