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Seems like every report coming out of detroit is basically saying the Lions will give Leshoure all he can handle.

I know Smith was a hot name being tossed out as steal in later rounds. What's the thinking now?

 
Seems like every report coming out of detroit is basically saying the Lions will give Leshoure all he can handle.I know Smith was a hot name being tossed out as steal in later rounds. What's the thinking now?
This conclusion seems pretty overblown to me. Do you mind a link to "every report coming out of Detroit?" According to the Detroit Free Press, he is back practicing and will play a significant role in the offense going forward. But anyone who drafted Smith would have known this was an RBBC once Leshoure was off suspension."All he can handle" implies he's gonna take over as the feature back ala Rice, McCoy, etc. Smith is a quality player when healthy andt he only thing we've seen from LEshoure was this preseason where he averaged a whopping 2.2 ypc and appeared to be dancing all over the place trying to find a hole.
 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.

 
Leshoure might not be activated: Lions running back Mikel Leshoure is eligible to return to the active roster Week 3 against the Titans after serving a two-game suspension. But during a radio interview Tuesday, according to MLive.com, Lions coach Jim Schwartz isn't declaring a Leshoure return just yet. "I don't know if it's a given, but he's on his way,"
 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
 
Leshoure might not be activated: Lions running back Mikel Leshoure is eligible to return to the active roster Week 3 against the Titans after serving a two-game suspension. But during a radio interview Tuesday, according to MLive.com, Lions coach Jim Schwartz isn't declaring a Leshoure return just yet. "I don't know if it's a given, but he's on his way,"
I will bet anyone here $10K that he's activated this weekend.
 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
yup, absolutely and I bought. You don't win them all like I said because at the end of the day the player needs to perform. If given the choice I'd take the chance on the guy the staff likes and will give the opportunity over the guy that I think is great but for whatever reason the coaching staff will never give them the shot (Jerius Norwood - although I never liked him he was a good example).
 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
Doesn't that back up what he's saying? They kept saying nice things about Felix, even though we were rarely seeing it in games. Yet they kept giving him opportunities, so he was doing something that made them believers.
 
I'm holding onto Smith. He can still be a productive player even with LeShoure cutting into his carries. Smith has shown effectiveness in the passing game, so there's no reason to believe he won't get enough action to be fantasy relevant.

 
Smith seems like a buy low ... great receiving threat and decent rushing threat ... if he's healthy he's at worst a flex play even if Leshoure hits ... which he really didn't do in the preseason. It's also possible the RB trials are because they know Best isn't coming back and have concerns that Leshoure has never played an NFL game and may not be ready rather than trying to replace Smith who has produced whenever he plays dating back to last season. I wouldn't pay A LOT for Smith but this smells of opportunity:

1. If I can sell Smith as an RB2 where I own him and don't need him ... sell!

2. If I can buy Smith where I don't have him for peanuts I'll buy!

3. Otherwise hold and monitor.

 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
And people on these boards use to say all kinds of bad things about foster. So, what's your point?
 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
This is where I am on this. I know when you post in a forum like this, that the initial responses you get are the people who own smith rushing to defend him and the people that own LeShoure rushing in to pump him up. But let's be unbiased if we can and really dig into this:From what I've seen, you've got a guy that was CUT from the team. then resigned after noone in the league wanted him and then proceeded to pay well, BUT, as is his M.O. could not stay healthy. Meanwhile, you have two players (Best and LeShoure) whom we have multiple, multiple reports from the coaches themselves raving about these guys (wasn't one of the HC's remarks something akin to watching porn when he watched Best or something to that affect?). Then, you've got both of these players not available and Smith sticks, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, you've got reports that the Lions are kicking the tires on FA Rbs. And now you have LeShoure coming back and reports are from all sources around the teams (the important ones..the OC and coaches), saying we are going to give this guy everything he can handle.

Ok, for my two cents, and this is nothing against the people here that support Smith, I think the better source to listen to is the words and actions of the team coaches. It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what has actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.

 
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It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what ahs actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
What has actually happened? So far all leshoure hype is 100% coachspeak and a bunch of sheeple fantasy fanbois going crazy thinking he is the next adrien petersen.
 
If you wait until it's happened you're too late.
I'll gladly be late to the Mark Ingram 2.0 party.
might be but they were calling Trent Richardson Ingram 2.0 last week....maybe Ingram 3.0. I'm not sure why everything has to be so black and white and absolute with some with people. They are either Adrian Peterson (as you said some are expecting) or a bust like Ingram. I don't know if Leshoure is going to be good, no one does but you have to take shots at guys in good situations with talent that are supported by the coaching staff that you can get cheap. He may work out and he may not but if you hit on a guy like this in an offense like Detroit you can win your league.
 
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Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
Jaquizz Rogers anyone
 
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
Dallas coaches used to say all sorts of nice things about Felix Jones.
Jaquizz Rogers anyone
I don't know if the final chapter has been written in that book yet.
 
And now you have LeShoure coming back and reports are from all sources around the teams (the important ones..the OC and coaches), saying we are going to give this guy everything he can handle.

Ok, for my two cents, and this is nothing against the people here that support Smith, I think the better source to listen to is the words and actions of the team coaches. It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what has actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
This is what Schwartz said today:“He’s a good player, he’s healthy and we’re looking forward to get him back on the field.”

http://www.freep.com/article/20120917/SPORTS01/120917074/Mikel-Leshoure-back-from-suspension-Lions-48-hours-make-room

Until you come up with some sources you got nothing but YOUR claims about "everything he can handle." It is true that any RB's value would take a hit once another RB is entered into the mix. That's been known for months.

Post some links, sir. Otherwise it's just your bluster and nothing else.

 
If you wait until it's happened you're too late.
I'll gladly be late to the Mark Ingram 2.0 party.
might be but they were calling Trent Richardson Ingram 2.0 last week....maybe Ingram 3.0. I'm not sure why everything has to be so black and white and absolute with some with people. They are either Adrian Peterson (as you said some are expecting) or a bust like Ingram. I don't know if Leshoure is going to be good, no one does but you have to take shots at guys in good situations with talent that are supported by the coaching staff that you can get cheap. He may work out and he may not but if you hit on a guy like this in an offense like Detroit you can win your league.
:goodposting: I've learned that the Sharkpool is generally pretty bad about talent evaluation - but you have to look for guys getting opportunities. There are lots of examples where guys with less than ADP talent win fantasy games and leagues. As a Smith owner I'm concerned and would move him if I could but he has very little value in leagues with knowledgeable owners. My best bet is to hang on to him and wait for an injury or disappointing performance from Leshoure. If both are healthy, I think best case is Smith plays more when Lions are playing catch up and Leshoure gets ample opportunity to show what he has.

 
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also a good quote from the article....“We’ve been waiting to see him for a long time,” Schwartz said today. “We drafted him in the second round, we had high expectations for him. He was showing us all the things we needed before his rookie year when he got hurt and he flashed in the preseason here, knocking the rust off No. 1, but No. 2 doing some of the things that we have some gaps in our offense that I think he can fill.

 
also a good quote from the article....“We’ve been waiting to see him for a long time,” Schwartz said today. “We drafted him in the second round, we had high expectations for him. He was showing us all the things we needed before his rookie year when he got hurt and he flashed in the preseason here, knocking the rust off No. 1, but No. 2 doing some of the things that we have some gaps in our offense that I think he can fill.
The gap most likely is a short yardage, goal-line, get a yard or two on your own back with more power than anyone else the Lions currently have on their roster. I'm not convinced he will clearly be an upgrade there, but it figures to be the first opportunity he will have to carve out a consistent role in Detroit's offense. As a result, I would think Leshoure's value is greatest in TD heavy leagues.There are so many variables at play in the Lions backfield that Leshoure is mostly just a lottery ticket at this point, and one without that much of a big payout unless Smith gets hurt (this part isn't too hard to imagine), Best cannot play this season (again, easy to imagine, although I'm less convinced than most in the Shark Pool that Best will not play this season), and Detroit doesn't bring in someone from the outside. The biggest variable of all is that we haven't seen Leshoure do anything in real NFL games. If you want to argue that we haven't seen him NOT succeed, then that's fine. It wouldn't be the first time an unproved running back performed well given an opportunity. Remember Gado? However, I would be careful not to count too heavily or give up much of anything (even a roster drop) for Leshoure given all the uncertainties spelled out above.

 
'Shutout said:
'Banger said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Shutout said:
'BroadwayG said:
Buy Smith
Because???
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
This is where I am on this. I know when you post in a forum like this, that the initial responses you get are the people who own smith rushing to defend him and the people that own LeShoure rushing in to pump him up. But let's be unbiased if we can and really dig into this:From what I've seen, you've got a guy that was CUT from the team. then resigned after noone in the league wanted him and then proceeded to pay well, BUT, as is his M.O. could not stay healthy. Meanwhile, you have two players (Best and LeShoure) whom we have multiple, multiple reports from the coaches themselves raving about these guys (wasn't one of the HC's remarks something akin to watching porn when he watched Best or something to that affect?). Then, you've got both of these players not available and Smith sticks, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, you've got reports that the Lions are kicking the tires on FA Rbs. And now you have LeShoure coming back and reports are from all sources around the teams (the important ones..the OC and coaches), saying we are going to give this guy everything he can handle.

Ok, for my two cents, and this is nothing against the people here that support Smith, I think the better source to listen to is the words and actions of the team coaches. It just seems like if we take away the baises and just look at what has actually happened, that the value of Kevin smith is about to take a hit.
:goodposting: Too much hyperbole around here. What we know is that Smith a solid back who produces when healthy, but has a long injury history and only has a one year contract. We also know that the Lions drafted Leshoure last year to be a 1-2 punch with Best. He had a serious injury and hasn't done anything yet but the Lions are still motivated to get something out of him since he has three years left on his contract.

 
'Dought Man said:
Everything he can handle this week will be 4 carries for 5 yards.
Same thought here. Most guys don't make it back to the NFL after his injury. We don't even know if he was NFL caliber prior to his injury. Smart money is on Smith. FWIW, I was high on LeShoure prior to injury. At this point, I wouldn't spend a roster spot on him.
 
'Banger said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Shutout said:
'BroadwayG said:
Buy Smith
Because???
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
but you cannot ignore the coaches. They know things about players, their strengths/weakness that we'll never know. We see a guy run for a TD or have a decent ypc and think that he's good when in fact he may not be doing things according to the way the teams wants it done. I'm not saying that's the case with Smith just in general. I've played this game a while and one of the things that I've really learned to pay attention to is what the coaches say and do. It doesn't matter what I think or you or anyone on this board thinks because at the end of the day we have zero impact on the outcome. The coach/OC does and yes sometimes you get coachspeak and you have to weed through it and it doesn't always work out but it has helped me a great deal.

The writing has been on the wall that the team is looking for another RB, giving Bell carries last week, etc. and then the coach comes out and says this, I think it's a big mistake to just ignore it. They drafted the guy last year and were raving about him and he got hurt. Smith is not their guy although he was drafted by the Lions and he's been a good fill in but he's not their guy and it seems everything they say and do affirms this fact. At the end of the day it will always come down to performance but from the sounds of it, he will get the opportunity which is half the battle.
It pains me to say it bc I love smith. He is a great story. And he plays hard. But I agree. The writing is on the wall that the team would like to see leshoure step up and take the job with smith playing a complimentary role.
 
%26%2339%3BPhantomJB%26%2339%3B said:
%2526%252339%253BShutout%2526%252339%253B said:
Seems like every report coming out of detroit is basically saying the Lions will give Leshoure all he can handle.

I know Smith was a hot name being tossed out as steal in later rounds. What's the thinking now?
This conclusion seems pretty overblown to me. Do you mind a link to "every report coming out of Detroit?" According to the Detroit Free Press, he is back practicing and will play a significant role in the offense going forward.
First off, the article did not say that he "WILL PLAY" a significant role; it said that he's "EXPECTED TO PLAY" a significant role."will" <> "expected"

Second, the article does not attribute this statement to anyone. Therefore, it is the opinion of the sportswriter, not necessarily the opinion of the coaching staff.

Third, the phrase "significant role" is subjective in nature. It could mean anything from "3rd down back" to "workhorse every down back".

 
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Has anyone seen or heard anything where te coaching staff is talking about Smiths role going forward? Usually in a case where you have a defined starter (az with wells for instance) the staff usually will be politically correct and say we're gonna play the hot hand, or X is our starter but they'll both play or things along those lines.

 
'Raider Nation said:
'Shutout said:
'BroadwayG said:
Buy Smith
Because???
Because we've seen Smith be a productive NFL player.
Are you serious? We've seen Smith get cut by the Lions and sit unemployed for most of last season. Only team he could get a job with was the Lions and it was out of sheer desperation on their part. Than this off season there was close to zero demand for his services with again the only job he could get was a one year deal at or near the veteran minimum. By the various accounts I read he was ticketed for third string duty with the Lions but they only turned back to him again out of sheer desperation.

Now the Lions have another viable option. The coaching staff is heaping praise on Leshoure and it's not hard to see why. Teams don't respect the Lions running game in the least and it's starting to hamper their passing attack. This is very clear to see.

Sure Leshoure is unproven but give me the unproven talented player over the player who has already proven his mediocrity all day every day. The Lions know this and other teams in the NFL know this as well which is why no one wanted Kevin Smith and teams are selling out to stop the pass because they know Kevin Smith is not going to make them pay.

Sell Smith while you can. If you can't sale him now hope like heck they start Leshoure off slowly this week than proceed to start selling Smith next week. It's matter of when, not if, Leshoure supplants Kevin Smith as the Lions primary ball carrier this season and if Best can ever get back Smith won't have a role other than being a really nice handcuff to two injury prone backs on an explosive offense.

 
Has anyone seen or heard anything where te coaching staff is talking about Smiths role going forward? Usually in a case where you have a defined starter (az with wells for instance) the staff usually will be politically correct and say we're gonna play the hot hand, or X is our starter but they'll both play or things along those lines.
Kevin Smith was never the defined starter. He was the starter by default.
 
Leshoure will eventually take over this job but I think it's premature to think he'll immediately phase out Kevin Smith. I think it will be gradual. Smith will still get a 60-40 workload and maybe, depending on how Leshoure plays, by week 6 or 7 he'll start to be phased down to a backup role with him as the 40%. As many said, Leshoure has talent but is completely unproven coming off a season ending injury. Gotta show it on the field before you're anointed.

 

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