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Personally, I'll take a flier on Barlow before Adrian Peterson arrives over Mike Nolan.Nolan was a DC for the Jets a few years back, he was clueless while Brian Cox tutored Nolan on the fly.Now, he's a HC? OK.I couldn't think of a better team for Barlow to go to.ENJOY Jet fans !!!
A well thought-out reply, but a lot of "if"s sprinkled in there. I guess we can just agree to disagree.Martin was banged up, playing behind a poor and injured OL, and the QB situation was a mess. He also only managed 220 carries, and I expect Barlow to have more than that. I expect Barlow to be healthy, and the OL and QB situations are much, much better this year. Not fantastic, but better than the '05 Jets and MUCH better than the '04 or '05 49ers. His 1,000 yard season came in part time duty, but the following offseason when he was named the starter they lost Garcia, Owens, and 3/5 of the OL. Is it any wonder why he'd struggle then? Most people just look at his numbers though, and I understand that. He's not elite, but he'll put up solid numbers as long as he gets at least some support from his teammates. He should at least get that in NY. I enjoy the fact that people have written Barlow off. I really do. Some people are starting realize that he's going to provide solid value this year, but most people aren't going to bother with him. I heard the same thing when I had good things to say about Thomas Jones before he played in Chicago.As for projections, it depends on if he starts from week 1 or not. If he does, I think he'll be looking at 1200 or 1300 total yards and 7 or 8 TDs. His upside is higher than that if the Jets' offense really comes together, but I don't expect it. That's only about 70-80 total yards per game and a TD every other game... if he's starting and stays involved in the passing game like I think he will, that's very attainable.Future Hall of Famer and 4th all-time leading rusher Curtis Martin put up 750 and 5 TDs last year, but Barlow can do better?Kevan Barlow's BEST year (which was 3 years ago
...) was only 1000 and 6. Now simply because he has new logo on his helmet, he'll suddenly transform into the back we've been waiting for?What are your predictions on numbers?
I dunno...when he does it for the first time, I'll let ya know.
So by that rationale then Barlow isn't really as bad as his 2004 & 2005 numbers either.So you're saying he's somewhere between his 2003 numbers and his 2004/2005 numbers. If he's the starter say 235 carries, 4.3 ypc for 1010 yds, 35 receptions for 245 yds and 7 TDs. I'll take that.
Yep, that's why everyone has opinions... win some, lose some. I think people who write him off are making a big mistake, but it's not like I claim he's going to be a stud or anything. Just a good #3 or a weaker #2 RB with potential for more. As far as the "ifs" are concerned:If he stays healthy - all backs have that one.If he takes over the feature back role - he was acquired, at a cost of $10 million over 3 years and a draft pick, to be the starter... at least in my opinion.If he stays involved in the passing game - he's good as a receiver out of the backfield, so I can't see why he wouldn't.If the Jets' offense comes together - perhaps the biggest one, but no matter what, I can't see how it won't be better than the '05 Jets, '04 49ers, or '05 49ers. If nothing else, I'm looking forward to seeing how he does this year. If he starts off strong, all of a sudden Jets fans will be talking about what a steal they got.Kit Fisto said:A well thought-out reply, but a lot of "if"s sprinkled in there. I guess we can just agree to disagree.Steelers4Life said:Martin was banged up, playing behind a poor and injured OL, and the QB situation was a mess. He also only managed 220 carries, and I expect Barlow to have more than that. I expect Barlow to be healthy, and the OL and QB situations are much, much better this year. Not fantastic, but better than the '05 Jets and MUCH better than the '04 or '05 49ers. His 1,000 yard season came in part time duty, but the following offseason when he was named the starter they lost Garcia, Owens, and 3/5 of the OL. Is it any wonder why he'd struggle then? Most people just look at his numbers though, and I understand that. He's not elite, but he'll put up solid numbers as long as he gets at least some support from his teammates. He should at least get that in NY. I enjoy the fact that people have written Barlow off. I really do. Some people are starting realize that he's going to provide solid value this year, but most people aren't going to bother with him. I heard the same thing when I had good things to say about Thomas Jones before he played in Chicago.As for projections, it depends on if he starts from week 1 or not. If he does, I think he'll be looking at 1200 or 1300 total yards and 7 or 8 TDs. His upside is higher than that if the Jets' offense really comes together, but I don't expect it. That's only about 70-80 total yards per game and a TD every other game... if he's starting and stays involved in the passing game like I think he will, that's very attainable.Kit Fisto said:Future Hall of Famer and 4th all-time leading rusher Curtis Martin put up 750 and 5 TDs last year, but Barlow can do better?Steelers4Life said:
As a Niner fan, you'd have to view it this way...The Redbeard said:
The Curtis Martin comparison is a nice bit of rhetoric, but we all know that the comparison is meaningless. I think that moving from a team with no O-line, no QBs, and no WRs to a team with a somewhat better O-line, somewhat better QB situation (better starter, worse backup) and a deeper WR corps anchored by a very productive, if non-elite WR will do something for Barlow. Will it make him a 1200 and 10 guy? I have my doubts.Kit Fisto said:Future Hall of Famer and 4th all-time leading rusher Curtis Martin put up 750 and 5 TDs last year, but Barlow can do better?Steelers4Life said:
don't really know how good or bad Barlow is at this point. My only point in that post was that Barlow better get his head on straight. Those other RBs are not going to just lay down for him to have that job and we could see the same song different vs. for him in NY as we did in SF.Snotbubbles said:
Despite all the negative reaction in this thread to Barlow's comments...I think that Barlow in most cases will outperform his ADP if he wins the starting job with the Jets. Cedric Houston hasn't done anything spectacular and he if was so great, then they wouldn't have been hunting for a starter in the first place. Without much competition, Barlow has a real chance to be the guy. I picked him up in Round 9 in my main keeper league as my RB4. Not alot of risk.
Barlow's comments are just plain stupid but you have to admit he does have talent. Any time you can add a rb with talent to your club its going to help.. Being that the Jets will be passing a lot trying to come from behind, I dont think he puts up monster #s but how much different will it be from SF where he was... Either way he could lose the job to someone else (I actually like Gore better and was going to grab him late anticipating a Barlow injury or switch in rb depth).. The Gore sleeper thread is off the charts, you can tell that folks here knew it well before the trade.. If he can gain and hold the starting job along with staying health (lot to ask for w/Barlow) a mid round pick might be worth the risk..
Easey Tiger. Nolan is 18 years in the league. They did win 4 games last year; 2 more than the year before. I know that's not great but Barlow is a tool. Gore ran behind THE SAME line last year and averaged more than 1.5 YPC more than Barlow. Barlow has been dancin' behind the line since he signed his contract. Now, I got no hate for Barlow, I hope he turns it around cause he has talent. But Nolan was justified to trade him. And BTW; Julian Peterson is the only "talented" player he let go. B Lloyd was good but homeboy used to party it up in the parking lot after a loss like nothin' was wrong.... Other than that the rest of the guys he let go aren't that talented. In fact; Woods and Plummer aren't even on a roster right now......Nolan's on the right track IMO....Get rid of the dudes who don't show up for the game every week. He's basically making these guys hungry cause' they know if they don't produce they are gone.....A COMPLETE reversal of the culture under Dennis Erickson/Terry Donahue.Z-Dog said:
