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Kevin Hayden or Marlin Jackson? (1 Viewer)

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I've seen people talk about Marlin Jackson like he is gonna be the man in the Tampa2 defense this year but Kevin Hayden has balled also.

Then I read that Hayden is gonna be the better of the two in fantasy. I also like Cedric Griffin from the Vikings.

I think I'm gonna pick up Griffin this week but how can I tell which corner in the Tampa2 is gonna be the best option???

Thanks

 
I'll clean this up later and make it easier to read; I'm an idiot with the code function.

A few quick comments then I'll be back later to add more thoughts -- either now or in next week's RTD (this was another one of the topics to be covered there this year). First, you're correct to assume that the LCB may get more opportunity on the strong side. Whether the stats bear this out because of the scheme or because teams are more likely to put their better run supporting corner on the left side is a bit of a chicken-egg deal. Second, some of these teams play more man than others; there's a bit of a bias in tackles after pass plays in the Tillman/Vasher stats and Clements/McGee stats. Third, Ronde Barber has been a RCB the majority of his career and moved to the left side to accomodate the mess that is Philip Buchanon this year. Game charters have noted that Barber gets a lot of slot time, though, which may provide some of his tackle numbers. Anyway, the numbers are below.

Indianapolis Colts

2006 LCB Nick Harper 62 RCB Jason David 48

2005 LCB Nick Harper 63 RCB Jason David 30

Chicago Bears

2006 LCB Charles Tillman 91 RCB Nathan Vasher 38

2005 LCB Charles Tillman 79 RCB Nathan Vasher 41

Minnesota Vikings

2006 LCB Antoine Winfield 83 RCB Fred Smoot 77 // RCB Cedric Griffin 64

Buffalo Bills

2006 LCB Terrence McGee 68 RCB Nate Clements 55

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2006 LCB Brian Kelly/Juran Bolden 56 RCB Ronde Barber 85

2005 LCB Brian Kelly 43 RCB Ronde Barber 83

All projected 16 games

 
So with Winfield on the left do u think that Cedric Griffin will NOT be the man???

We start 3 DBs and I have Adrian Wilson and Sean Jones, obvious must starters.

My 3rd DB is a toss up between Michael Lewis and Madieu Williams so I'm looking for another option.

I was looking at Marlin Jackson or Cedrick Griffin. Maybe even Kevin Hayden.

Looking at your numbers, it looks like Griffin isn't too hot but I like his upside and I wanna start him this week.

NO???

Griffin vs. KC

Jackson and Hayden vs. HOU

Madieu Williams vs. SEA

or Michael Lewis with his ribs vs. PIT???

Thanks

 
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So with Winfield on the left do u think that Cedric Griffin will NOT be the man???We start 3 DBs and I have Adrian Wilson and Sean Jones, obvious must starters.My 3rd DB is a toss up between Michael Lewis and Madieu Williams so I'm looking for another option.I was looking at Marlin Jackson or Cedrick Griffin. Maybe even Kevin Hayden.Looking at your numbers, it looks like Griffin isn't too hot but I like his upside and I wanna start him this week.NO???Griffin vs. KCJackson and Hayden vs. HOUMadieu Williams vs. SEAor Michael Lewis with his ribs vs. PIT???Thanks
Let's try to keep the main forum threads from becoming advice request threads please.I think Griffin will be an above average corner -- comparing him to Barber/Winfield/Tillman is asking a lot. Both he and Jackson should work themselves into starting options in most leagues. I'd probably start Williams this week, with Griffin a close second.
 
What sticks out in this discussion, to me at least, is the number of tackles by the opposite CBs in Minnesota (Right CBs), they are much higher than the others. Any known rationale for this?

Also Nick Harper in Tennesee has been putting up very good numbers, should he be a part of this discussion (Tampa-2 CBs) or just chalk it up to circumstances?

For years I have been intrigued by the tackle numbers for certain CBs vs SSs, the safeties being my stand-by, while the CBs...well, because of my out-moded and biased thinking I just could not summon up the courage to pick up, I could not ratiionalize thier performance. Though, as a whole, safeties still tend to outperform, its nice to know their are CBs that can be counted on weekly in the tackle column, with obvious matchup considerations, etc.

Thanks for pulling my head out of the sand, Jene!

 
What sticks out in this discussion, to me at least, is the number of tackles by the opposite CBs in Minnesota (Right CBs), they are much higher than the others. Any known rationale for this?
The 2006 Minnesota CB numbers are skewed significantly by the success of the Vikings' run defense. The Vikings faced a run-pass split of 35-65 last year, when the league average was 45-55 run-pass, allowing more completed passes than the average team's rushing attempts against. The Vikings' corners, and particularly Fred Smoot, who projected over 60 solos only once in his career prior to 2006, benefited tremendously.
Also Nick Harper in Tennesee has been putting up very good numbers, should he be a part of this discussion (Tampa-2 CBs) or just chalk it up to circumstances?
How's maybe for a non-committal answer? :jawdrop: Harper is a tough guy to read. For the most part, he hangs around the 58-62 solo tackle mark, except for 2003 when he had over 80. He has been among the most consistent CBs in the league over the past three seasons -- unfortunately it's consistently meh in the boxscore. On the field, some years he looks like an All-Pro in coverage, some years very mediocre. With Pacman Jones out of the picture, Harper is going to get a fair amount of Cover-2 snaps, which should keep his potential in line with previous years.

He may have a great year, but you probably won't be able to recognize it until the season's over.

 

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