Kevin Jones or Julius? (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

KJ's will put up better FF numbers next season.  JJ has MBIII who will steal carries and FF points

No way, Jose!

 

[BigTex]

From the horses' (Parcells) mouth from Dallascowboys.com:

"I like Barber a lot," Parcells said. "He doesn't have great speed but he's a very, very good blocker, he's a very, very good receiver and he has very good vision as a runner. He's elusive in the hole. He's just not a breakaway guy. But I think his role will be expanded."

JJ owners just took a big "gulp""very very" good receiver should scare the heck out of folks - a guy who blocks better than the primary and who the coach feels is a very very good receiver will see himself on the field a LOT in third and long sitches (esp. since that is TO/Jason Witten territory).

JJ's opps are going to take a big hit this year - he may drop down to the perceived TBell level with MBIII playing the Ron Dayne/Mike Anderson role.

Not really, no worries here. I've looked into the eyes of the tiger and that tiger is hunger. This is not my opinion or personal belief, This Is A Fact.

 

[BigTex]

Another thing I forget to mention about JJ. When he had his hot streak at the end of 2004, IMO, much of it was out of necessity not by choice.

The other RB options were . . .

- An ineffective Eddie George

- A banged up Richie Anderson

- Rashard Lee

In terms of other offensive weapons, Terry Glenn was hurt. Antonio Bryant had just been traded, and newcomer Quincy Morgan did not know the system and struggled. The only other legit offensive threats were Witten and Keyshawn.

Add it all up, and Jones got much more of a workload than would normally be expected. And IMO he won't see that workload again given that there are healthy and talented WR, TE, and supporting RB.

Taking over a starting position is about oppurtunity. Yes or No?See: T. Brady, Big Ben, C. Portis, ect........

 

[David Yudkin]

Another thing I forget to mention about JJ.  When he had his hot streak at the end of 2004, IMO, much of it was out of necessity not by choice.

The other RB options were . . .

- An ineffective Eddie George

- A banged up Richie Anderson

- Rashard Lee

In terms of other offensive weapons, Terry Glenn was hurt.  Antonio Bryant had just been traded, and newcomer Quincy Morgan did not know the system and struggled.  The only other legit offensive threats were Witten and Keyshawn.

Add it all up, and Jones got much more of a workload than would normally be expected.  And IMO he won't see that workload again given that there are healthy and talented WR, TE, and supporting RB.

Taking over a starting position is about oppurtunity. Yes or No?See: T. Brady, Big Ben, C. Portis, ect........

I have NO IDEA what you are trying to say. JJ taking over at RB was not unexpected--it was the plan. The Cowboys never had another option that season--no one really expected Eddie George to be a 400 carry back anymore.And now that you mention it, it was an ill-fated plan at that. From what I recall, the Cowboys didn't really want Jones the year they drafted him. After they made what turned out to be the Losman trade with Buffalo, they were apparently set to trade back into the first round and were going to take one of the other RB (none were drafted yet).

Their trading partner backed out at the last second, and the Cowboys could not muster up a trade to move up in the draft. With the other RB all already taken, the story goes that they "settled" on Jones. (That's the story that I have heard, feel free to believe it or not.) Steven Jackson, Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and Tatum Bell all got picked before the Boys could get back on the clock.

In any event, Jones DID get a big workload at the end of his rookie season BECAUSE OF injuries to other key offensive players.

People seem to miss that part and expect him to keep that huge workload and/or recapture it again. Sure, it COULD happen if the team traded Terry Glenn, Terrell Owens got hurt, MBIII couldn't play, etc. What are the chances that all those happened AT THE SAME TIME? Pretty slim in my book.

 

[BigTex]

Another thing I forget to mention about JJ.  When he had his hot streak at the end of 2004, IMO, much of it was out of necessity not by choice.

The other RB options were . . .

- An ineffective Eddie George

- A banged up Richie Anderson

- Rashard Lee

In terms of other offensive weapons, Terry Glenn was hurt.  Antonio Bryant had just been traded, and newcomer Quincy Morgan did not know the system and struggled.  The only other legit offensive threats were Witten and Keyshawn.

Add it all up, and Jones got much more of a workload than would normally be expected.  And IMO he won't see that workload again given that there are healthy and talented WR, TE, and supporting RB.

Taking over a starting position is about oppurtunity. Yes or No?See: T. Brady, Big Ben, C. Portis, ect........

I have NO IDEA what you are trying to say. JJ taking over at RB was not unexpected--it was the plan. The Cowboys never had another option that season--no one really expected Eddie George to be a 400 carry back anymore.And now that you mention it, it was an ill-fated plan at that. From what I recall, the Cowboys didn't really want Jones the year they drafted him. After they made what turned out to be the Losman trade with Buffalo, they were apparently set to trade back into the first round and were going to take one of the other RB (none were drafted yet).

Their trading partner backed out at the last second, and the Cowboys could not muster up a trade to move up in the draft. With the other RB all already taken, the story goes that they "settled" on Jones. (That's the story that I have heard, feel free to believe it or not.) Steven Jackson, Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and Tatum Bell all got picked before the Boys could get back on the clock.

In any event, Jones DID get a big workload at the end of his rookie season BECAUSE OF injuries to other key offensive players.

People seem to miss that part and expect him to keep that huge workload and/or recapture it again. Sure, it COULD happen if the team traded Terry Glenn, Terrell Owens got hurt, MBIII couldn't play, etc. What are the chances that all those happened AT THE SAME TIME? Pretty slim in my book.

The plan was for George to start and someone to back him up and start next season. George (from the fans perspective) was a has been and was unwanted.

And now that you mention it, it was an ill-fated plan at that. From what I recall, the Cowboys didn't really want Jones the year they drafted him. After they made what turned out to be the Losman trade with Buffalo, they were apparently set to trade back into the first round and were going to take one of the other RB (none were drafted yet).

Sorry David, you recall wrong. They called JJ "Before" the draft and told him if he was there in the second round they'd take him. Now the had no idea that S. Jackson would fall as far as he did, so they made a stupid decision to move down thinking he'd (Jackson) would be there. The Rams moved up and took Jackson and the Cowboys took the guy they wanted in the first place.I honestly don't know where you got this from. I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful, but this is the first I've heard of such a thing.

JJ's the starter; it's not even close. Coming off an injury he was reinserted as a started his 2nd game back. No other back ever in Dallas has had so many big games in such a short time. Of course, Emmitt and Dorsett stayed healthy, something JJ hasn't been able to do.

If he's healthy, there's not even a competition. If he gets hurt again, Dallas will have to try to find a lead back again next year. MBIII's a BP favorite, just as Rob Carpenter was. But guys like that aren't lead backs, they're role players.

 

[Bankerguy]

Another thing I forget to mention about JJ.  When he had his hot streak at the end of 2004, IMO, much of it was out of necessity not by choice.

The other RB options were . . .

- An ineffective Eddie George

- A banged up Richie Anderson

- Rashard Lee

In terms of other offensive weapons, Terry Glenn was hurt.  Antonio Bryant had just been traded, and newcomer Quincy Morgan did not know the system and struggled.  The only other legit offensive threats were Witten and Keyshawn.

Add it all up, and Jones got much more of a workload than would normally be expected.  And IMO he won't see that workload again given that there are healthy and talented WR, TE, and supporting RB.

Taking over a starting position is about oppurtunity. Yes or No?See: T. Brady, Big Ben, C. Portis, ect........

I have NO IDEA what you are trying to say. JJ taking over at RB was not unexpected--it was the plan. The Cowboys never had another option that season--no one really expected Eddie George to be a 400 carry back anymore.And now that you mention it, it was an ill-fated plan at that. From what I recall, the Cowboys didn't really want Jones the year they drafted him. After they made what turned out to be the Losman trade with Buffalo, they were apparently set to trade back into the first round and were going to take one of the other RB (none were drafted yet).

Their trading partner backed out at the last second, and the Cowboys could not muster up a trade to move up in the draft. With the other RB all already taken, the story goes that they "settled" on Jones. (That's the story that I have heard, feel free to believe it or not.) Steven Jackson, Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and Tatum Bell all got picked before the Boys could get back on the clock.

In any event, Jones DID get a big workload at the end of his rookie season BECAUSE OF injuries to other key offensive players.

People seem to miss that part and expect him to keep that huge workload and/or recapture it again. Sure, it COULD happen if the team traded Terry Glenn, Terrell Owens got hurt, MBIII couldn't play, etc. What are the chances that all those happened AT THE SAME TIME? Pretty slim in my book.

The plan was for George to start and someone to back him up and start next season. George (from the fans perspective) was a has been and was unwanted.

And now that you mention it, it was an ill-fated plan at that.  From what I recall, the Cowboys didn't really want Jones the year they drafted him. After they made what turned out to be the Losman trade with Buffalo, they were apparently set to trade back into the first round and were going to take one of the other RB (none were drafted yet).

Sorry David, you recall wrong. They called JJ "Before" the draft and told him if he was there in the second round they'd take him. Now the had no idea that S. Jackson would fall as far as he did, so they made a stupid decision to move down thinking he'd (Jackson) would be there. The Rams moved up and took Jackson and the Cowboys took the guy they wanted in the first place.I honestly don't know where you got this from. I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful, but this is the first I've heard of such a thing.

JJ's the starter; it's not even close. Coming off an injury he was reinserted as a started his 2nd game back. No other back ever in Dallas has had so many big games in such a short time. Of course, Emmitt and Dorsett stayed healthy, something JJ hasn't been able to do.

If he's healthy, there's not even a competition. If he gets hurt again, Dallas will have to try to find a lead back again next year. MBIII's a BP favorite, just as Rob Carpenter was. But guys like that aren't lead backs, they're role players.

Amen for the help!!!MB3 is not the threat everyone thinks he is. Many Cowboy homers have said this over and over. I understand the injury risk concern, but stop worrying about MB3.

 

[billymays]

ill take kj just cuz he absolutely rolled ray lewis

 

[David Yudkin]

I honestly don't know where you got this from. I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful, but this is the first I've heard of such a thing.

I saw it in 3 or 4 places including The Sporting News, ESPN, another tv site, and another place in print. Since no one would go on record from the team, it was hard to make a big deal about rumorsinside the Dallas draft compound.It could be perfectly true, and it could tie in with the Cowboys calling Jones about being there in the second round. If Dallas thought the RB they really wanted would be long gone, they could have simply conceded that he would not be available. When things shaped up the way they did, they scrambled to get him but couldn't and then had to settle on Jones. In that case, BOTH stories would be true.That's all water under the bridge, and as far as how Jones did in in rookie campaign, it's clear that he greatly benefitted from a workload that is very atypical for any RB. Sure, you can look at the totals he put up in those games (ot his big game to end last year), but he has not that level of workload very often since then. In fact, his 194 outing last year was his only 100 yard effort and one of only 3 games with 25 carries (compared to several games in his rookie year with over 30).

 

[Kit Fisto]

Personally I think these backs are about equal. However, it seems that folks are really paying a lot of attention to Julius's negatives (and yes MB3 and durability are key concerns). However, it seems like folks are glossing over KJ's negatives. I guess it's all the Mike Martz hype. I don't buy it. Somehow Martz will do the following??

-Keep KJ healthy. Everybody talks about Julius, being injured but I had both on my fantasy team last yr, and IMO KJ was more worthless. This guy was always leaving sometime before the half with some injury (shoulder, quad, ankle, blah blah). I'd be shocked if this guy actually finished 5 games last yr from start to finish without getting nicked up and leaving the game in some manner.

-OL improvement. Det OL sucked last yr. They didn't do anything to improve the OL in the offseason. KJ needs some holes to run through and I don't see him getting much room behind that OL.

-Jon Kitna will have folks respecting the pass. Hmm..Jon Kitna changes everything. Riiiiiight.

 

[Routilla]

I like KJ if for no other reason the schedule. It's gotta be one of the weakest. The W16 game vs CHI is the title game in most leagues so I am thinking of possibly drafting KJ and hoping for some good stats early and then trading him before the playoffs for someone who had a tougher schedule early but softens up for the playoffs. I'm still analyzing this to find the RB to target in a late season trade. Anyone else thinking about such a strategy? Perhaps McGahee.

Sep 10 Seattle 1:00pm

Sep 17 @Chicago 1:00pm OUCH

Sep 24 Green Bay 1:00pm

Oct 1 @St. Louis 4:05pm

Oct 8 @Minnesota 1:00pm

Oct 15 Buffalo 1:00pm

Oct 22 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm

Week 8 BYE

Nov 5 Atlanta 1:00pm

Nov 12 San Francisco 1:00pm

Nov 19 @Arizona 4:05pm

Nov 23 Miami 12:30pm

Dec 3 @New England 1:00pm OUCH

Dec 10 Minnesota 1:00pm

Dec 17 @Green Bay 1:00pm FROZEN TUNDRA

Dec 24 Chicago 1:00pm OUCH

 

[Guru]

I would have to lean towards KJ for no other reason than he is the only viable option in Detroit. If Julius slips in Big D Barber will move in.

 

[cowboyz]

anybody want to explain kj's mysterious injuries that kept him limited and nonexistent in so many games? seems like week after week he'd start then not get any carries.

 

[Big Score]

The following is pulled from a chat transcript of Lions Beat Writer Tom Kowalski, after their first TC practice.

Venkmen: Martz was criticized in St. Louis for not running the ball enough. Will this be a problem here too?

TomKowalski: THE LIONS ARE GOING TO RUN THE BALL -- THAT'S GOING TO BE A MARINELLI ORDER ...

cruzer: Tom, how did Jones look running the ball

TomKowalski: KJ LOOKS VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE ... RUNNING AND RECEIVNG ...

Here's the link to the entire transcript. Good reading in it on other Lion notables.

 

[billymays]

anybody want to explain kj's mysterious injuries that kept him limited and nonexistent in so many games? seems like week after week he'd start then not get any carries.

Mysterious?Sunday night game against the packers he had his arm turned around, pulled out and smashed underneath about 3 linemen. I thought his arm was busted and he was done for the year. They had like 4 camera shots of it. looked scary.

im a lion fan and the least bit homer-the lions suck, i hate all the players with the exception of kj-if the guy could get some help he will be a stud.

hes fast, hes got moves and can flatten people and he plays like hes pissed off too.