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I have never seen this injury until Westbrook and now it seems like it happens a bunch. Because Lehman had the same injury, I would think that this was a possitive for KJ. The DET staff know more of what to expect, but if it heals in the same time rate or will the rehab need to be similar for KJ as it was for Lehman, that will be the question.
They'll probably sign a vet and go with him, Calhoun, and Bryson.
can we stop this???? michael turner is NOT the default answer for teams in need of a RB!!!
I disagree. I don't think they have confidence in Calhoun as an every down back.
Right, there are different degrees. It will be up in the air until close to June next year of What KJ can do. He is awesome too, it sucks, but the guy is tough. He tried to walk off the other day before getting help off. I think he is back next year for training camp, but I am not a Dr.
They should watch his college tapes from WI. He sure was used alot there.
Jones' injury may or may not linger into next year, there seems to be a wide spread of recovery time tables for lis franc injuries of this nature, but what a football coach says seven months before training camp and even before surgery is not an indication of anything.If you asked Bellichek if Maroney's back injury lingered well into next spring would the Patroits consider a runner in the draft, I'm betting Bellichek would say something like "It will certainly alter our plans."There's no more doubt about this year now. Put on IR.
May as well edit the title.
From the link in the blogger:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2695472
For those with him in a keeper league take note of the bolded quote (my emphasis).
Doesn't sound good for next year.
I don't know what is so funny about a possible career ending injury, but I am glad you find humor in it.
This may be a blessing in disguise for the Lions. Even Matt Millen couldn't screw up the Adrian Peterson pick. That guy is going to be a STUD. Sure the Lions have lots of other needs, but Peterson is a once in a lifetime RB. I believe he will be a much better pure RB than Reggie Bush and he is definitely better than Kevin Jones.
He is usually down or inactive.
What's a "pure RB?" A guy that only carries the ball? For a back to go high, he also needs to block and catch. As far as one in a life-time, I think Peterson will grade out similar to Ronnie Brown...big and fast, but can he black and catch like Ronnie? I think if Detroit is looking RB early, they will want those qualities in an RB drafted that high given Martz's offense.I like Peterson, but I do not know that he is once in a lifetime or that he grades out as top 5 in this class as it has legitimate players at key positions QB, OT, DE, DT and CB.
I'm just referring to it being overblown. Even if he misses the entire 2007 season, that will be over 18 months for him to recover by the start of the 2008 season.KJ is one of my favorite players and wish him the best.I don't know what is so funny about a possible career ending injury, but I am glad you find humor in it.
Just an unfortunate selection of smiley then? Because it sure doesnt seem anything short of laughing at the prognosis.I'm just referring to it being overblown. Even if he misses the entire 2007 season, that will be over 18 months for him to recover by the start of the 2008 season.KJ is one of my favorite players and wish him the best.I don't know what is so funny about a possible career ending injury, but I am glad you find humor in it.
Folks, scroll up... he wasn't laughing at the injury, he was laughing at what he felt to be bad (exaggerated) reporting.
You don't find it ridiculous to report that KJ could miss 2 years? Yes, I'm laughing at that moron Kowalski - you can check my posts since KJ has even been mentioned on this board and you'll see I've been backing him since high school.Edit - I know it's a sensitive subject so apologies to anyone who thought I was happy KJ is hurt, it's certainly not the case.Just an unfortunate selection of smiley then? Because it sure doesnt seem anything short of laughing at the prognosis.I'm just referring to it being overblown. Even if he misses the entire 2007 season, that will be over 18 months for him to recover by the start of the 2008 season.KJ is one of my favorite players and wish him the best.I don't know what is so funny about a possible career ending injury, but I am glad you find humor in it.
ah, you seem like an alright guy. i don't think you were making light of Jones' misfortune. and if this were T.O. we were talking about... we'd all beYou don't find it ridiculous to report that KJ could miss 2 years? Yes, I'm laughing at that moron Kowalski - you can check my posts since KJ has even been mentioned on this board and you'll see I've been backing him since high school.Edit - I know it's a sensitive subject so apologies to anyone who thought I was happy KJ is hurt, it's certainly not the case.Just an unfortunate selection of smiley then? Because it sure doesnt seem anything short of laughing at the prognosis.I'm just referring to it being overblown. Even if he misses the entire 2007 season, that will be over 18 months for him to recover by the start of the 2008 season.KJ is one of my favorite players and wish him the best.I don't know what is so funny about a possible career ending injury, but I am glad you find humor in it.
Its possibly career ending. Some have come back in a year but not many have ever been the same as they were before. With KJ's style - its entirely possible he will never be the same. The surgeon said its a "3" for severity on a scale from "1-3".......The only known is its unknow how he will respond & recover.You cant assume anything is or is not ridiculous. They had to put screws in to hold his joints together and sew ligaments.You don't find it ridiculous to report that KJ could miss 2 years? Yes, I'm laughing at that moron Kowalski - you can check my posts since KJ has even been mentioned on this board and you'll see I've been backing him since high school.Edit - I know it's a sensitive subject so apologies to anyone who thought I was happy KJ is hurt, it's certainly not the case.Just an unfortunate selection of smiley then? Because it sure doesnt seem anything short of laughing at the prognosis.
It certainly did not help, but how do we know that the severity of KJ is less than Lehman's after it was misdiagnosed? We don't, but what we do know is that it is displaced, and he does need surgery. It seems to me that this is the worse case senerio. Did Lehman have surgery, or did he just rest and rehab? If he did not have the surgery I would actually be more optimistic about KJ having the surgery.
In Lehman's case they were rehabbing and realized he needed surgery later. He got behind the eight ball. But he hasnt seen the field but a handful of plays this year and (due to to the poor conditioning?) suffered other injuries - latest a hammy. But regardless, it was known he wasnt gonna be effective this year in any significant capacity. KJ was diagnosed quickly and accurately and a best case scenario for getting on it right away. But after surgery is declared as "bad as it can get" for severity. If he was another position player, the diagnosis would be good. But if you cant cut - you are rendered ineffective as RB and that is the question. Guys who have had the injury just claim what a horrible mess it is to come back from. I would expect KJ to be determined to work hard and come back - but '07 is still a HUGE question mark of how effective and how much load he can carry and how soon. The Lions should get a read in March on the outlook after he is out of the cast as to the long term prognosis.The Marshall Faulk has to have merit - Martz loves guys he had success with. Faulk knows the offense - for him, its very little work in learning the offense. If Marshall is interested - look for this to happen.
I believe Calhoun was a 4th round pick, and I think all along they were targetting him as a 3rd down back because they didn't know how KJ was going to be as a receiver out of the backfield.Bad use of a 3rd round pick if it's true that they wouldn't use him as a halfback. Not that Detroit has a record of playing guys they deemed worthy of using high draft picks on. Calhoun does seem to fit the profile of a Martz RB who can both run and catch with proficiency.
he gets hurt 2 much
i cant see ap being better than kj. plus every year he has ankle problems he is not the answerThis may be a blessing in disguise for the Lions. Even Matt Millen couldn't screw up the Adrian Peterson pick. That guy is going to be a STUD. Sure the Lions have lots of other needs, but Peterson is a once in a lifetime RB. I believe he will be a much better pure RB than Reggie Bush and he is definitely better than Kevin Jones.
No offense, but it would have been quicker to pull up the draft than type a sentence questioning my accuracy.Pick 74 (3.10) Detroit Lions Brian Calhoun RB WisconsinAnd if a team with an array of needs used a 3.10 pick on a guy they liked as a 3rd down RB, please god help that organization. I'm not going to turn this into a Calhoun thread but he was uber productive against Big 10 competition, accumulating 2207 total yards and 24 TDs on 401 touches (348 rushes/53 recs) in his lone 2005 season there. I can't imagine a team pigeon-holing him as a specialty RB with that production. In fact, Barry Alverez called him the best RB ever to come out of his program. Lastly, I think you understating the concerns relating to KJ following his 2005 season. Nonetheless, I am aware Calhoun got very little game action this season, which leaves his future role in question.I believe Calhoun was a 4th round pick, and I think all along they were targetting him as a 3rd down back because they didn't know how KJ was going to be as a receiver out of the backfield.Bad use of a 3rd round pick if it's true that they wouldn't use him as a halfback. Not that Detroit has a record of playing guys they deemed worthy of using high draft picks on. Calhoun does seem to fit the profile of a Martz RB who can both run and catch with proficiency.
Detroit told the media why they selected Cahloun in round 3. They said it was because they thought he was a real steal in the third round and the best player available by far. They said nothing about using him on third downs. That rumor was only stirred by media people who thought Jones wasnt a good receiver. In fact Martz also said in a different interview that he felt Jones could be used a lot as a receiver and would have a big season. Guess what happened?Anyway, neither Jones (who I dont think will ever reclaim the starting job) nor Calhaun should prevent Detroit from going after another RB. However they might think enough of Calhaun to use their first and second picks on other needs. I'm not so sure that they think as highly of Calhaun now, after his rookie camp and injury, as they did when they drafted him. If they still do, they probably think he's serviceable as a starter.No offense, but it would have been quicker to pull up the draft than type a sentence questioning my accuracy.Pick 74 (3.10) Detroit Lions Brian Calhoun RB WisconsinAnd if a team with an array of needs used a 3.10 pick on a guy they liked as a 3rd down RB, please god help that organization. I'm not going to turn this into a Calhoun thread but he was uber productive against Big 10 competition, accumulating 2207 total yards and 24 TDs on 401 touches (348 rushes/53 recs) in his lone 2005 season there. I can't imagine a team pigeon-holing him as a specialty RB with that production. In fact, Barry Alverez called him the best RB ever to come out of his program. Lastly, I think you understating the concerns relating to KJ following his 2005 season. Nonetheless, I am aware Calhoun got very little game action this season, which leaves his future role in question.I believe Calhoun was a 4th round pick, and I think all along they were targetting him as a 3rd down back because they didn't know how KJ was going to be as a receiver out of the backfield.Bad use of a 3rd round pick if it's true that they wouldn't use him as a halfback. Not that Detroit has a record of playing guys they deemed worthy of using high draft picks on. Calhoun does seem to fit the profile of a Martz RB who can both run and catch with proficiency.
You do realize you're talking about the Lions don't you?Anyway, my opinion of Calhoun is obviously different than yours. IMO, the road graders at Wisconson significantly helped Calhoun, and he will not get that kind of O-Line help on the Lions any time soon.No offense, but it would have been quicker to pull up the draft than type a sentence questioning my accuracy.Pick 74 (3.10) Detroit Lions Brian Calhoun RB WisconsinI believe Calhoun was a 4th round pick, and I think all along they were targetting him as a 3rd down back because they didn't know how KJ was going to be as a receiver out of the backfield.
And if a team with an array of needs used a 3.10 pick on a guy they liked as a 3rd down RB, please god help that organization. I'm not going to turn this into a Calhoun thread but he was uber productive against Big 10 competition, accumulating 2207 total yards and 24 TDs on 401 touches (348 rushes/53 recs) in his lone 2005 season there. I can't imagine a team pigeon-holing him as a specialty RB with that production. In fact, Barry Alverez called him the best RB ever to come out of his program. Lastly, I think you understating the concerns relating to KJ following his 2005 season. Nonetheless, I am aware Calhoun got very little game action this season, which leaves his future role in question.
this sounds like an awful lot of unsupported conjecture...i think most starting NFL RBs would sit behind a healthy Kevin Jones.
Bennett's high in receptions was 37 in 16 games, just over 2 per game, and he wasn't the GL back that year (Moe Williams was). Doesn't compare to KJ this year.
agree. i think that comparison is awfully weak. they both seem to get injured more frequently, but in watching the two run, Jones runs harder, has better hands, blocks better, and is slightly less explosive. do they wear the same number or something? i have no idea how you hatched this.
They will definately add at least one more RB, possibly two. Calhaun did tear his ACL and didnt exactly have the #2 job locked up. Which is why I have doubts that they think as highly of him as they did after the draft. I was really just making the point that Calhaun was NOT drafted to be the third down back... that was just bs media rumors based on Jones's questionable receiving skills. Yes, Jones had questionable receiving skills and no, Jones is not a great receiver (more like Bennett) but rather a fair receiver in the Martz -throw it to the running back- system. Bennett would likely have had just as many receptions as Jones if he started in Detroit this year. Jones would not be a goal line back on the majority of teams. Yes, Bennett is slightly faster, and Jones is slightly tougher but not nearly enough to make them different types of RBs. Their skill sets are as close as 2 different RBs get.
Of course I realize I'm talking about the Lions. I understand it enough to caveat it in both my posts. We'll see. Obviously the movement of Martz and Calhoun's own recovery preempts any serious discussion of him.You do realize you're talking about the Lions don't you?Anyway, my opinion of Calhoun is obviously different than yours. IMO, the road graders at Wisconson significantly helped Calhoun, and he will not get that kind of O-Line help on the Lions any time soon.No offense, but it would have been quicker to pull up the draft than type a sentence questioning my accuracy.Pick 74 (3.10) Detroit Lions Brian Calhoun RB WisconsinI believe Calhoun was a 4th round pick, and I think all along they were targetting him as a 3rd down back because they didn't know how KJ was going to be as a receiver out of the backfield.Bad use of a 3rd round pick if it's true that they wouldn't use him as a halfback. Not that Detroit has a record of playing guys they deemed worthy of using high draft picks on. Calhoun does seem to fit the profile of a Martz RB who can both run and catch with proficiency.
And if a team with an array of needs used a 3.10 pick on a guy they liked as a 3rd down RB, please god help that organization. I'm not going to turn this into a Calhoun thread but he was uber productive against Big 10 competition, accumulating 2207 total yards and 24 TDs on 401 touches (348 rushes/53 recs) in his lone 2005 season there. I can't imagine a team pigeon-holing him as a specialty RB with that production. In fact, Barry Alverez called him the best RB ever to come out of his program. Lastly, I think you understating the concerns relating to KJ following his 2005 season. Nonetheless, I am aware Calhoun got very little game action this season, which leaves his future role in question.
Bad use of a 3rd round pick if it's true that they wouldn't use him as a halfback. Not that Detroit has a record of playing guys they deemed worthy of using high draft picks on. Calhoun does seem to fit the profile of a Martz RB who can both run and catch with proficiency.
