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What about 2011 and beyond? K Smith was still the #20 back with 700-800 yards and that's awesome value when you can probably get him for a 3rd-4th rd rookie pick.With K Smith, you'll know he'll be able to handle the load if the primary RB, Best, goes down and that is definitely a possibility.
here is one in a contract league league: Slaton (680,000 2years) for Smith & two 3rds (800,000/2 years)
I think people are saying that because he doesn't have prototypical size. He's fine. May not get 300+ carries but he will be heavily involved in the passing game. Love Best this year and beyond.
I have Jahvid Best in a few leagues and I don't have any interest in handcuffing Smith to him.
I agree, if you have space at the end of your roster, he's well worth holding onto.I wouldn't trade anything of value for him though.
Someone had a post on a Lions board about putting to rest the size issue with Best."Best is referred to as undersized by many, and while he does have a small frame, he checked in at the combine at 5′10″ 199 lbs. CJ Spiller came in at 5′11″ 196 lbsChris Johnson weighed in at 5′11″ 197 lbs., Ray Rice was 5′8″ 199 lbs., Felix Jones was 5′10″ 207 lbs and Maurice Jones-Drew was 5′7″ 206 lbs. All four are starting running backs in the NFL that have experienced success. Warrick Dunn played his whole career at around 180 lbs. and held up just fine and Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders had Hall of Fame careers at 208 lbs."
Great, now I feel much better. 1. People think Spiller is undersized2. Rice was 2 inches shorter but weighed the same3. Felix is the same height but weighs 8 lbs more4. MJD....3 inches shorter, 7 lbs heavier5. Faulk/Sanders both heavier6. Dunn was never a workhorse RBIn other words, I fail to see how any of that information supports the idea that Best has adequate size.
Brian Westbrook - 5'10", 203Tiki Barber - 5'10", 204Any better?
finito - don't take my earlier post the wrong way.....I have pick 1.03 and plan to select Best. IMO he's the clear #3 pick (at worst) behind Matthews and Bryant. I just failed to see how thatguythere's post supported the idea that Best is undersized. It doesn't mean that there are no compelling arguments for why Best can be successful.
I don't see how he's overvalued really. He's at worst the #4 pick in 95% of rookie drafts. At best (no pun intended), he'll go #3 in rookie drafts. [i know I'll take him #3 over Spiller w/o question] If he had a shot of going #1/#2 in rookie drafts, I can maybe see it. But you can probably count on 2 hands how many leagues he's going #1 or #2 in right now.Even if I thought he was the best PPR RB in this draft (which I do), I have no itch to go up to the top 2 rookie picks to secure him (because I won't have to). I've actually have a greater desire to move DOWN to the 4 spot (and picking up a player/pick) and still getting Best. I think there's a much much greater shot now of him going #3 in drafts (post-draft) than there was pre-draft. Spiller was 1 or 2 on most boards pre-draft.
I would love to see that prediction become reality
Me too... especially since I picked Kevin smith up in the 20th round of my recent start up dynasty draft.In reality, I'm not expecting a whole lot from him.
There is absolutely no way this happens barring a miracle recovery from Kevin Smith and a collapse from Jahvid Best. Kevin Smith tore his ACL in December. Torn ACLs generally require 8-10 months of rehab before being fully healed. Everything points to Smith not being back to full strength until mid-season, if everl. I can't imagine Kevin Smith approaching 1600 yards this year or anytime in the future.Jahvid Best was drafted to be the feature back in the offense. They traded up into the 1st round to make sure they get him. It's safe to say Schwartz has a man-crush on Best's talent. "Some people watch adult videos on their computer," Schwartz said. "I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me aroused." Even if Best fails despite being given every opportunity (which I strongly doubt will happen), Smith won't be the feature back. It'll be a RBBC in Detroit. If anyone gets 1600 yards in that offense, it'll be Best.nlgb1 said:
This is the first time I've seen "Kevin Smith" and "elite talent" in the same sentence, except when people are putting "not" in front of "elite."
It's obvious he was joking.nlgb1 said:
This. I just dropped him to waivers.And the Waldman analysis of K. Smith and my buying into that analysis head-on is why I've knocked the RSP down to 'just another source' level when I research draft picks. Utter fail on K. Smith.
There's no way you really believe that. I'm certain of it.
This is a little harsh don't you think? Waldman had the 2008 class ranked1. Stewart2. Ray Rice3. Mendenhall4. Kev Smith5. Matt Forte6. Xavier Omon7. Felix Jones8. Jamaal Charles9. Tashard Choice10. Cory Boyd11. Darren McFadden12. Chris JOhnson13-19 various scrubs20. Steve SlatonOutside of the low Chris JOhnson ranking, those don't look so bad. Not much you can do about a guy tearing his knee up, impossible to predict unless you wanna point to Kev Smiff's monster workload in college but that's a big leap to me.
Didn't say it sucks, but as they say, 'the magic is gone'. I was on the fence with some guys the last few years and went with RSP's sometimes against-the-grain rankings. Things didn't go real well on most of them. WR Jason Hill is another example, but Smith was by far the highest profile (in other words, the highest ADP) decision I had to make. Ultimately the decision on who to draft was mine, so I take full responsibility.It's an entertaining read, is still a valid source of info, but is no longer my primary source. In fact, I didn't even purchase it this year. I can make bad decisions using info from free sources.
Xavier Omon ahead of Felix Jones and Jamaal Charles? Cory Boyd ahead of CJ2K, McFadden, and Slaton? I think the world of Waldman's analysis (been reading him for almost a decade now), but this just goes to prove how much of a crapshoot rookies are until we know more about them as NFL entities. I wouldn't pay much attention to any prospect "expert" when it comes to judging talent coming into the league. You're much better off tracking reports out of training camp, listening to beat writers, coaches, teammates, etc.
Your zest to defend Waldman is noble, and I realize he's a God to you folks on these boards, but to suggest he wasn't wrong about Kevin Smith is silly. The guy was a very average RB before his injury and that's being generous.
I don't remember anyone on the boards here saying Smith was "very average" before his injury.
Plenty of people thought Smith was average. It was a common theme here. I don't remember anyone on the boards saying that he was an ultra-talented stud.az_prof said:
Smith has been the very definition of average in his career thus far. Now, I fear he falls into the below average category.
Thx for posting the links. There were definitely a lot of folks on board the KSmith bandwagon. I stand corrected.
There were plenty on the bandwagon I am sure. I know amongst Lions fans who watched him every week, the thought was and is that he is an average talent.
