Khiry Robinson (1 Viewer)

[Coeur de Lion]

Pierre Thomas was a RB2 (23rd) even in standard scoring last year. He led all Saints' RBs in snaps, carries, receptions, YFS, and TDs, and the team just extended him with a contract that guarantees his entire salary in 2014.

Ingram and Robinson combined for 139 touches vs. Thomas' 224, but those are the guys that can be consistent weekly FF performers this year? In dynasty, sure, I'd take at least Ingram purely on age, and possibly Robinson depending on format snd team need, but I don't see it, at all, in redraft.

Darren Sproles had another 124 touches out of that backfield last season, and he's flown the coop. I suppose it's possible that Thomas takes Sproles' entire slice of the pie (which would give him a larger workload than Jamaal Charles, BTW), leaving Ingram and Robinson continuing to fight over scraps, but I'm not betting the mortgage on it.

I'm also not betting that either one of the latter are going to be consistent weekly FF performers this year - and neither is anyone else, which is why they're both going in the RB4 range right now (I got Robinson as RB43 in SSL3; Ingram went a few spots later). I like Robinson because in general when I get down to my RB4 I'm interested in ceiling, not floor. I don't want a goal-line back or a known role player; I want a guy who might be higher-risk but has the skillset to put up big numbers if he gets the opportunity. If he doesn't produce, well, that's what your RB1-3 are there for.

Pretty much agree with most of this -- as far as a quick and dirty projection I'd guess PT stays roughly the same, and Robinson / Ingram split what's left roughly equally. I do think that it's hugely likely that Thomas leads the RB by a country mile in catches. And I also don't see any hint of immediate 2014 upside in either Ingram or Robinson. I guess there might be a very small chance that one of them hugely steps up in the passing game, but that seems like a massive reach to me.

 

[jacobo_moses]

I think your overlooking how much Khiry got in critical situations in the playoffs as an undrafted rookie. And with what Bill Parcells said about Khiry. That says all I need to know about Khirys value going forward. Enuff said.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

I think your overlooking how much Khiry got in critical situations in the playoffs as an undrafted rookie. And with what Bill Parcells said about Khiry. That says all I need to know about Khirys value going forward. Enuff said.

Please expound on what Bill Parcells said about Khiry.

 

[finito]

I think your overlooking how much Khiry got in critical situations in the playoffs as an undrafted rookie. And with what Bill Parcells said about Khiry. That says all I need to know about Khirys value going forward. Enuff said.

Please expound on what Bill Parcells said about Khiry.

He compared him to Curtis Martin. Supposedly Parcells called Sean Payton telling him to play Khiry more as he was a beast. Was reported on ESPN a while back.

 

[identikit]

I think your overlooking how much Khiry got in critical situations in the playoffs as an undrafted rookie. And with what Bill Parcells said about Khiry. That says all I need to know about Khirys value going forward. Enuff said.

Please expound on what Bill Parcells said about Khiry.

METAIRIE, La. -- Running back Khiry Robinson captured the attention of many new admirers during his rookie year with the New Orleans Saints. Apparently none more so than Bill Parcells -- who gave Robinson the ultimate compliment by comparing him to longtime Parcells workhorse Curtis Martin.

According to FOX analyst John Lynch, Saints coach Sean Payton revealed that fascinating tidbit during his production meetings with the FOX crew heading into last week’s playoff game against the Seattle Seahawks.

Per Lynch, Payton said: “Parcells called this week and said, ‘Sean what are you doing? You’ve got Curtis Martin right in front of your eyes, and you’re not doing anything with him. Give him the ball.’”

Payton was coy this week when asked about that story, saying, “Yes [Parcells] and I had some discussions, but I don’t know that it was reported. It probably came in my meeting.”

Regardless, it’s clear that Payton had been coming to the same realization himself in recent weeks, feeding Robinson more after veteran Pierre Thomas suffered a chest injury in Week 17. Robinson ran for a combined 102 yards and a touchdown on 21 carries in the Saints' two playoff games, and he caught one pass for 13 yards.

The undrafted rookie from West Texas A&M -- who barely earned an invitation to training camp -- started turning heads early in camp with his combination of power, speed and elusiveness. And he never really stopped when given the chance to make cameo appearances throughout the regular season. The only thing really holding him back was New Orleans’ crowded backfield with Thomas, Darren Sproles and Mark Ingram.

Robinson (6 feet, 220 pounds) made the most of his playoff opportunities, taking turns breaking through tackles or making guys miss. The Saints’ backfield remains congested, but there is no doubt that Robinson has earned a shot at a more prominent role in 2014.

Lynch, a longtime NFL safety and current Pro Football Hall of Fame finalist, tangled plenty with Martin during Martin’s own Canton career. And he said on the broadcast that he went back to look at Robinson’s film after hearing of Parcells’ comparison and agreed, “He resembles him. A lot.”

“Look, we aren’t making him a Hall of Famer. But there’s a style that resembles each other,” Lynch said. “He’s patient, he darts, he typically finds the right hole. And he’s very quick once he makes a decision to get downfield.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/4629/parcells-compares-robinson-to-curtis-martin

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Thanks for posting the article.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think your overlooking how much Khiry got in critical situations in the playoffs as an undrafted rookie.

You mean the 2013 NFL playoffs where Mark Ingram had 33% more carries and 3x the catches and was more effective?

 

[msudaisy26]

I think your overlooking how much Khiry got in critical situations in the playoffs as an undrafted rookie.

You mean the 2013 NFL playoffs where Mark Ingram had 33% more carries and 3x the catches and was more effective?

Lol or do you mean the 2013 playoffs where Ingram was benched for a horrible fumble and Khiry had more carries, catches and touchdowns that game. Oh yeah and less fumbles.

 

[Milkman]

Khiry's upside is severely limited. He's in a crowded backfield on a pass happy team. I owned him last year and you never knew if he was going to get more than 3 carries.

No thx I'll pass.

 

[msudaisy26]

Khiry's upside is severely limited. He's in a crowded backfield on a pass happy team. I owned him last year and you never knew if he was going to get more than 3 carries.

No thx I'll pass.

You have reasons to believe what you do but to base it on last year is not smart. Last year he was an UDFA rookie that had to earn playing time. This year he is a guy that has been on the team for a year, showed some promise, has one less back to compete against because of a trade and maybe has already passed another back Ingram.

 

[identikit]

Khiry's upside is severely limited. He's in a crowded backfield on a pass happy team. I owned him last year and you never knew if he was going to get more than 3 carries.

No thx I'll pass.

Khiry's worth a hold for now IMO.

At least to see how things shake out up to the regular season.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Khiry's upside is severely limited. He's in a crowded backfield on a pass happy team. I owned him last year and you never knew if he was going to get more than 3 carries.

No thx I'll pass.

Khiry's worth a hold for now IMO.

At least to see how things shake out up to the regular season.

Absolutely. To dismiss him based on inconsistent carries as a UDFA rookie last year lacks vision. Ingram will not be back in 2015, Thomas turns 30 this December, Sproles is gone, HC Payton has a history of giving late rounders and UDFAs prominent roles if they are good. So far he's shown he might become very good.

 

[Denver724]

Khiry's upside is severely limited. He's in a crowded backfield on a pass happy team. I owned him last year and you never knew if he was going to get more than 3 carries.

No thx I'll pass.

Khiry's worth a hold for now IMO.

At least to see how things shake out up to the regular season.

Absolutely. To dismiss him based on inconsistent carries as a UDFA rookie last year lacks vision. Ingram will not be back in 2015, Thomas turns 30 this December, Sproles is gone, HC Payton has a history of giving late rounders and UDFAs prominent roles if they are good. So far he's shown he might become very good.

I agree that he is a hold, but I just traded him and three 4th's for 2.07 and a 2015 2nd. I think that's pretty good value.

 

[Sabertooth]

He just went 2.5 in a 10 team 2QB league rookie draft I just participated in. Ahead of Freeman, West, Hill, and Williams. I thought that was a reach myself.

 

[Denver724]

He just went 2.5 in a 10 team 2QB league rookie draft I just participated in. Ahead of Freeman, West, Hill, and Williams. I thought that was a reach myself.

Agree. I would take Hill all day long. And Freeman would be going ahead of 2.5 as well.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah I wish I had the picks, but alas I only ended up with Ebron, Cooks, Hyde, Bridgewater, and Robinson.

 

[Shanahanigans]

He just went 2.5 in a 10 team 2QB league rookie draft I just participated in. Ahead of Freeman, West, Hill, and Williams. I thought that was a reach myself.

Thats a reach for sure but I do think he warrants a mid to late 2nd round pick in most 12 team leagues.

 

[cstu]

Can Khiry make the leap?

 

[Kevrunner]

On the audible this week, they discuss Ingram versus Khiry Robinson. One of the main points from one of the host was that he would take Robinson over Ingram due to the fact that he was younger, Ingram is only 1 week older, lol. Glad I decided to double check on the age difference. I am going after Ingram, he is cheaper to acquire and they are almost identical in age and Ingram can get a starting job gig next year, at least there is a chance.

 

[DaveL]

On the audible this week, they discuss Ingram versus Khiry Robinson. One of the main points from one of the host was that he would take Robinson over Ingram due to the fact that he was younger, Ingram is only 1 week older, lol. Glad I decided to double check on the age difference. I am going after Ingram, he is cheaper to acquire and they are almost identical in age and Ingram can get a starting job gig next year, at least there is a chance.

Ingram may be the same age, but the treads on those tires are much more worn

 

[aedenone]

On the audible this week, they discuss Ingram versus Khiry Robinson. One of the main points from one of the host was that he would take Robinson over Ingram due to the fact that he was younger, Ingram is only 1 week older, lol. Glad I decided to double check on the age difference. I am going after Ingram, he is cheaper to acquire and they are almost identical in age and Ingram can get a starting job gig next year, at least there is a chance.

They may have incorrectly focused on the age difference but I agree with DaveL that Ingram has more tread on his tires regardless of age. What was also mentioned on "The Audible" podcast from Matt Waldman is that Khiry shows better vision, more explosiveness, and more ability to break tackles.

So while they may have been wrong about the age difference, I think they were right on with the difference in ability.

 

[ptsteelers]

I also place him as a "HOLD" on Robinson. I currently have him as a mid 3rd round trade value.

Could easily be the man with the Saints here soon, but is that really saying a lot? Maybe not, but he could easily become an early 2nd round trade value

Regardless, I have him and I am holding. (Hoping for that late 1st round trade value)

 

[Casting Couch]

I also place him as a "HOLD" on Robinson. I currently have him as a mid 3rd round trade value.

Could easily be the man with the Saints here soon, but is that really saying a lot? Maybe not, but he could easily become an early 2nd round trade value

Regardless, I have him and I am holding. (Hoping for that late 1st round trade value)

I have Khiry at mid second round value, I think he will seize the starting role in New Orleans once the season starts. Parting with a mid second for Khiry will seem like a bargain.

 

[Bojang0301]

I also place him as a "HOLD" on Robinson. I currently have him as a mid 3rd round trade value.

Could easily be the man with the Saints here soon, but is that really saying a lot? Maybe not, but he could easily become an early 2nd round trade value

Regardless, I have him and I am holding. (Hoping for that late 1st round trade value)

I have Khiry at mid second round value, I think he will seize the starting role in New Orleans once the season starts. Parting with a mid second for Khiry will seem like a bargain.

I like him and Ingram. That being stated I want both out of NO. Hell, I still think Ivory has a chance at a good season now that he's out of there. No one seizes the starting role in NO. It's an abyss. Even with as good as Thomas has been in clutch situations for NO they have never given him a chance to fully carry the load.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I'd put Khiry up there with just about anyone from this past RB class.

 

[ptsteelers]

I agree with all of you as far as his talent and potential, it's just that N.O. running game keeping me cautious. But other than that ... enjoy him I say

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Grossly over-rated. One decent playoff game and all of a sudden he's some great player due to some blurb from Parcells (which was probably taken out of context).

He's worth a roster spot in deeper dynasties but doesn't have any real true value currently.

 

[cstu]

Grossly over-rated. One decent playoff game and all of a sudden he's some great player due to some blurb from Parcells (which was probably taken out of context).

He's worth a roster spot in deeper dynasties but doesn't have any real true value currently.

I've had him on my teams since week 2 of the preseason after he outplayed Ingram both games. The quote from Parcells only confirmed what I saw from the preseason and his college video.

“Parcells called this week and said, ‘Sean what are you doing? You’ve got Curtis Martin right in front of your eyes, and you’re not doing anything with him. Give him the ball.’”

 

[karmarooster]

On the audible this week, they discuss Ingram versus Khiry Robinson. One of the main points from one of the host was that he would take Robinson over Ingram due to the fact that he was younger, Ingram is only 1 week older, lol. Glad I decided to double check on the age difference. I am going after Ingram, he is cheaper to acquire and they are almost identical in age and Ingram can get a starting job gig next year, at least there is a chance.

They may have incorrectly focused on the age difference but I agree with DaveL that Ingram has more tread on his tires regardless of age. What was also mentioned on "The Audible" podcast from Matt Waldman is that Khiry shows better vision, more explosiveness, and more ability to break tackles.

So while they may have been wrong about the age difference, I think they were right on with the difference in ability.

If I'm choosing between Ivory and Robinson (redraft), I'd take whoever is cheaper, which currently is Ingram. Neither one is startable unless something happens or you have a combo of injury and bye-week issues.

As for Thomas, the above discussion of him being a RB2 (RB23 overall) is deceptive, because on a PPG basis he was only RB30. He had a career high in receptions, stayed healthy, and still was only someone you'd want to start in an emergency or bye week. He had two great games (a pair of 25 pointers) and a bunch of 4 and 8 point games.

These Saints RBs are tough to buy in redraft where you actually have to click the button and pick one to start on any given week. If playing a best-ball format, I actually like them much more because you'll get the benefit of the 20 point games that each of them will surely have at SOME point in the season, without having to guess which one.

Dynasty wise I like both Robinson and Ingram, Ingram actually slightly more. He could land himself in a decent spot next year as a 25 year old free agent (next year's Ben Tate), while Robinson will probably be sharing with Cadet.

 

[ptsteelers]

Grossly over-rated. One decent playoff game and all of a sudden he's some great player due to some blurb from Parcells (which was probably taken out of context).

He's worth a roster spot in deeper dynasties but doesn't have any real true value currently.

Yeah, okay, I guess we watched different games because he didn't just show well or "decent" in "one playoff game".

You can look at stats all you want and judge how good he is, but I have seen him play in the games were he wasn't showcased. Looked good to me.

 

[Sabertooth]

The audible is getting worse. It's all about name dropping for Cecil nowadays. "Spoke with so and so ...blah blah blah" I like Matt Waldman and Sig on the couch much better.

 

[karmarooster]

The audible is getting worse. It's all about name dropping for Cecil nowadays. "Spoke with so and so ...blah blah blah" I like Matt Waldman and Sig on the couch much better.

Agreed I feel like the Google hangout feature lowers the quality somewhat as its basically 5-10 minutes of the guys cutting up and goofing off while screen-sharing weird pictures - jokes that a podcast listener isn't party to. The last few episodes have been a few minutes of news items, like an hour of buy or sell, and not much else. I like the old format with lots of questions from the sharkpool. I'm sure the format will change up a bit as the season draws closer.

Also agree that OTC is better as it allows one or two guys to delve into topics more deeply and sustain the conversation, as opposed to covering more discrete topics quickly. It's the NPR versus the CNN of the audible.

 

[kutta]

The audible is getting worse. It's all about name dropping for Cecil nowadays. "Spoke with so and so ...blah blah blah" I like Matt Waldman and Sig on the couch much better.

Agreed I feel like the Google hangout feature lowers the quality somewhat as its basically 5-10 minutes of the guys cutting up and goofing off while screen-sharing weird pictures - jokes that a podcast listener isn't party to. The last few episodes have been a few minutes of news items, like an hour of buy or sell, and not much else. I like the old format with lots of questions from the sharkpool. I'm sure the format will change up a bit as the season draws closer.

Also agree that OTC is better as it allows one or two guys to delve into topics more deeply and sustain the conversation, as opposed to covering more discrete topics quickly. It's the NPR versus the CNN of the audible.

I agree too. I listened the other day and honestly I thought it was unlistenable. There was too much jabbering about things I didn't care about. I switched to another one.

 

[Kevrunner]

The audible is getting worse. It's all about name dropping for Cecil nowadays. "Spoke with so and so ...blah blah blah" I like Matt Waldman and Sig on the couch much better.

The audible to me is a podcast verison of "The League" now. Can't believe how much time those guys spend trying to make each other laugh, it has gotten out of hand. The audible has changed for the worse in my opinion, but it is free, can't complain too much.

 

[FGITLOTR]

The audible is getting worse. It's all about name dropping for Cecil nowadays. "Spoke with so and so ...blah blah blah" I like Matt Waldman and Sig on the couch much better.

The audible to me is a podcast verison of "The League" now. Can't believe how much time those guys spend trying to make each other laugh, it has gotten out of hand. The audible has changed for the worse in my opinion, but it is free, can't complain too much.

The Couch episodes are outstanding and I couldn't agree more on the audible taking a step backwards. Cecil's shtick is tiresome and I have to imagine other die hard FG fans and subscribers agree with us.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Khiry Robinson - RB - Saints
Khiry Robinson's blitz pickup skills have been "impressive" at Saints camp so far.
Improving in pass protection is crucial if Robinson wants to steal some snaps from Pierre Thomas. He's a far better receiver than ex-Saint Chris Ivory, even though he hasn't gotten to show it yet. If Robinson can take a nibble out of Thomas' passing-game work and a nibble out of Mark Ingram's power-game reps, he'll have a decent role. There's flier appeal here in deeper formats.


Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
Jul 31 - 11:16 AM

 

[cstu]

Khiry Robinson - RB - Saints
Khiry Robinson's blitz pickup skills have been "impressive" at Saints camp so far.
Improving in pass protection is crucial if Robinson wants to steal some snaps from Pierre Thomas. He's a far better receiver than ex-Saint Chris Ivory, even though he hasn't gotten to show it yet. If Robinson can take a nibble out of Thomas' passing-game work and a nibble out of Mark Ingram's power-game reps, he'll have a decent role. There's flier appeal here in deeper formats.


Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
Jul 31 - 11:16 AM

Thomas was better than Sproles and Ingram but he wasn't a good pass protector last year - 70 snaps, 2 sacks and 7 hurries allowed. That put him 48 out of 54 RB's with 25% of snaps.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I was sorely tempted to bump an old Greg Jones thread. I know, no one cares. He's a FB, it's an old thread, yadayada, so I guess this is really about the Saints' run game.

> The Saints just signed Greg Jones.

He has been the FB for:

• Arian Foster
• MJD
• Fred Taylor

And I suspect he has a little left in the tank to run and catch, but especially to block.

He was PFF's No. 8 blocker.

The Saints also purposefully let go of Jed Collins, went out and signed Erik Lorig and have been developing Austin Johnson for a while.

They mean to be running the ball.

 

[Insein]

Khiry currently going around 10th or 11th round. I'm willing to take a flier at that price.

I've tried Ingram. I've seen enough. Never bought into the hype his rookie year but took a cheap flier last year. The guy just doesn't have it.

Khiry looks a lot quicker and has hands out of the backfield. If he can get that blitz pickup down, he looks to be the obvious lead back in that trio.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Crowded backfield, but if Im taking a shot on any of them, it's Khiry! He's come a long way in pass pro and if either Thomas or Ingram get hurt (very likely), his value skyrockets

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

One other thought on the blocking front:

LT Terron Armstead - you ought to see this guy haul ### down the field, he is going make some serious holes on screens and sweeps for Pierre, Cooks and Khiry, and he can run with them a lot of the way downfield.

 

[Sabertooth]

Where does Cadet fit into this mess?

 

[Insein]

Where does Cadet fit into this mess?

Practice squad?

 

[Casting Couch]

Khiry currently going around 10th or 11th round. I'm willing to take a flier at that price.

I've tried Ingram. I've seen enough. Never bought into the hype his rookie year but took a cheap flier last year. The guy just doesn't have it.

Khiry looks a lot quicker and has hands out of the backfield. If he can get that blitz pickup down, he looks to be the obvious lead back in that trio.

this

 

[valhallan]

I was sorely tempted to bump an old Greg Jones thread. I know, no one cares. He's a FB, it's an old thread, yadayada, so I guess this is really about the Saints' run game.

> The Saints just signed Greg Jones.

He has been the FB for:

• Arian Foster
• MJD
• Fred Taylor

And I suspect he has a little left in the tank to run and catch, but especially to block.He was PFF's No. 8 blocker.

The Saints also purposefully let go of Jed Collins, went out and signed Erik Lorig and have been developing Austin Johnson for a while.

They mean to be running the ball.

Wow, Greg Jones is still around? Obligatory link to the greatest stiff arm of all time: http://youtu.be/7wbO3ZOQMbQ

 

[rocketsauce]

Khiry is great value right now, and honestly I hope he does nothing in the preseason, because I don't want him zooming up people's draft boards.

 

[Banger]

Khiry is great value right now, and honestly I hope he does nothing in the preseason, because I don't want him zooming up people's draft boards.

I really like him as a talent but I have ZERO confidence that they will change the way the rotate their backs. They just spread it around too much to realistically think he can be a bellcow IMO. Even when they have an injury they seem to pull someone out of nowhere to add to the rotation.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I was sorely tempted to bump an old Greg Jones thread. I know, no one cares. He's a FB, it's an old thread, yadayada, so I guess this is really about the Saints' run game.

> The Saints just signed Greg Jones.

He has been the FB for:

• Arian Foster
• MJD
• Fred Taylor

And I suspect he has a little left in the tank to run and catch, but especially to block.He was PFF's No. 8 blocker.

The Saints also purposefully let go of Jed Collins, went out and signed Erik Lorig and have been developing Austin Johnson for a while.

They mean to be running the ball.

Wow, Greg Jones is still around?Obligatory link to the greatest stiff arm of all time: http://youtu.be/7wbO3ZOQMbQ

Wow, great stuff.

There was a time when he was considered a runner and receiver, not just a great blocker. I'm genuinely excited by this, I hope he's not done and just filling in.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Where does Cadet fit into this mess?

He'll be on the roster as the RB4. He will likely return kickoffs. He's not taking Sproles role, he's a totally different player. He won't take many carries and if anything they will use him on specialized plays, mostly passing, including the occasional deep ball (which they did use Sproles for). Very little impact on the other other three RBs.

 

[humpback]

Khiry currently going around 10th or 11th round. I'm willing to take a flier at that price.

I've tried Ingram. I've seen enough. Never bought into the hype his rookie year but took a cheap flier last year. The guy just doesn't have it.

Khiry looks a lot quicker and has hands out of the backfield. If he can get that blitz pickup down, he looks to be the obvious lead back in that trio.

I thought Ingram played really well last year actually, by far the best he's looked IMO. Still not interested in any of them as more than a flyer, as of now there's no reason to think they aren't going to continue to split it up 3 ways.