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Kicker Battles (1 Viewer)

Jeff Pasquino

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Granted this is often an overlooked position, but it does still matter.

Which teams are unsettled on a K this year?

Off the cuff I hear rumblings in:

1. New England (Vinatieri left) - Brought in Martin Gramatica, drafted Stephen Gostowski

2. Atlanta (Peterson has not signed) - Brought in Ryan Rossner, Zac Derr, Tony Yelk - I'm giving it to Michael Koenen after tonight.

3. Miami (Mare contract issue) - Seems fine - contract issues resolved

Also are these teams happy with their kickers?

1. Chicago (Robbie Gould) - Josh Huston (Ohio State) planning to sign as FA

2. San Francisco (Joe Nedney) - Seems "happy"

3. Washington (John Hall) - Tyler Jones (NFLE) on roster

4. Green Bay (Billy Cundiff) - Dave Rayner claimed off waivers from Indy, Rhys Lloyd (FA) signed

5. New Orleans (John Carney) - Signed UFA Conner Hughes (undrafted rookie)

6. San Diego (Nate Kaeding) - Drafted Kurt Smith, but likely as a kickoff specialist.

 
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I have peterson in a dynasty league so am keeping a close eye on him. I expect him to resign as no demand for him, comes cheap and did ok for the falcons

 
I have peterson in a dynasty league so am keeping a close eye on him. I expect him to resign as no demand for him, comes cheap and did ok for the falcons
I have him as well in a league, so I'm watching him. April is so riveting.Three hours to a schedule.

 
Also are these teams happy with their kickers?

1. Chicago (Robbie Gould)

2. San Francisco (Joe Nedney)

3. Washington (John Hall)
2. Yes, SF is very happy with Nedney4. As someone else mentioned above, Cundiff will very likely see competition for the GB job.

5. Jeff Chandler is probably insurance in Cleveland, in case Phil Dawson doesn't recover from off-season surgery

6. Josh Brown is a restricted FA, so he's not a total lock to be a Seahawk

 
Also are these teams happy with their kickers?

1. Chicago (Robbie Gould)

2. San Francisco (Joe Nedney)

3. Washington (John Hall)
2. Yes, SF is very happy with Nedney4. As someone else mentioned above, Cundiff will very likely see competition for the GB job.

5. Jeff Chandler is probably insurance in Cleveland, in case Phil Dawson doesn't recover from off-season surgery

6. Josh Brown is a restricted FA, so he's not a total lock to be a Seahawk
That would be a steal of a K if there is a preseason battle.
 
I have peterson in a dynasty league so am keeping a close eye on him. I expect him to resign as no demand for him, comes cheap and did ok for the falcons
The first off-season sighting of Todd Peterson, a Bulldog alumnus, was at a Georgia practice the other day.link

 
Also are these teams happy with their kickers?

1. Chicago (Robbie Gould)
maybe not...
The Green Bay Packers have claimed kicker Dave Rayner off waivers from the Indianapolis Colts. The Chicago Bears also placed a claim on Rayner, but he was awarded to the Packers because the Bears had a better record than the Packers last year.
 
More on the Rayner acquisition:

Dave Rayner said he learned of the transaction late last week, and will report to the Packers on Sunday to begin offseason workouts with the team on Monday. The Packers last month signed former Dallas Cowboys kicker Billy Cundiff, and almost certainly are not done auditioning replacements for Ryan Longwell, who signed with the Minnesota Vikings as an unrestricted free agent. “There’s no telling,” Packers special teams coach Mike Stock said when asked how many kickers the team will look at. “It depends on how they work out when they get here. It’s going to take some time. Nothing’s going to happen overnight. It’s a matter of seeing who’s going to fit.” Stock said he couldn’t comment on Rayner. The Packers have not announced the acquisition.

“I think I have a pretty strong leg,” Rayner said on Monday. “I’m still working on it and getting it stronger. I think the problem I ran into last year was I was going from college, where we played 12 or 13 games, and by the time I got to 12 or 13 NFL games plus the preseason games, I was struggling. I’m working on getting my leg conditioned and getting it into NFL shape.”

Rayner said he was told as many as four teams put in waiver claims on him, and though he has never been to Green Bay, was pleased to be walking into a situation where the job was open. “I wanted to go somewhere and be able to compete and have an opportunity to kick,” Rayner said. “There’s no set kicker there. We’re all on the same level. The best man will win.”
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Introducing Packers contestant no. 3... Rhys Lloyd

The Green Bay Packers are taking a look at another unproven kicker as a possible replacement for Ryan Longwell. Less than a week after General Manager Ted Thompson claimed Dave Rayner off waivers from Indianapolis, he signed free agent Rhys Lloyd, who was cut in training camp last summer with the Baltimore Ravens. Lloyd’s agent, Chris Murray, said the Packers offered his client a contract shortly after he worked out for the team on Monday.

The 6-foot-1 and 220-pound Lloyd, a native of England who played at the University of Minnesota, gives the Packers three kickers on their roster. In addition to Rayner, the Packers signed former Dallas Cowboys kicker Billy Cundiff. Of the three, only Cundiff has made a field goal in an NFL regular-season game. The Packers lost Longwell to the Minnesota Vikings in free agency.

Lloyd comes from a soccer background. His father is a professional soccer coach in England. In only two seasons as the Gophers’ kicker, he finished eighth in school history in career field goals made (26) and third all-time in field-goal accuracy (72.2 percent). He also punted at Minnesota and his career average of 39.6 yards ranked fifth in school history. “He could be a good punter in emergency situations,” Murray said. At Minnesota, he made game-winning kicks to beat Wisconsin and Oregon. He made a 35-yarder as time expired to beat the Badgers 37-34. He hit a 42-yarder with 23 seconds left to give the Gophers a 31-30 victory over Oregon in the Sun Bowl.

The Packers noticed Lloyd last month, when he kicked at a pro scouting day at Minnesota. Murray said the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns also expressed interest in Lloyd.
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It probably won't get as much publicity as the Gramatica vs. Gostkowski battle in New England, but looks like it will be Gould vs. Huston (vs. Fordyce?) in Chicago:

Ohio State kicker Josh Huston plans to sign a free-agent deal with the Chicago Bears, and then take part in their mini camp later this week, Huston's father, Denny, said late last night. The Findlay High grad had offers from Kansas City, St. Louis and Dallas, but opted to accept a contract proposal from the Bears. The Chicago mini camp runs Thursday through Sunday. "He talked to a few different teams, and the situation in Chicago, it just seemed to be the best opportunity," Huston's father said. "They started calling right after the draft ended, and it all came together pretty quickly."
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"We really didn't do much recruiting. He called us and said, 'This is where I want to be,' so we have some pretty good competition going on right there. We like his confidence."

- GM Jerry Angelo on Josh Huston signing

 
John Carney is not guaranteed his job in New Orleans. The Saints signed a UFA kicker ... gotta look his name up.

 
John Carney is not guaranteed his job in New Orleans. The Saints signed a UFA kicker ... gotta look his name up.

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Hughes was one of the top rated kicker prospects in this year's draft class:
The Saints signed undrafted rookie Connor Hughes shortly after the draft. He was 21 of 24 (87.5 %) with a long of 50 for Virginia last year. He could be more than just a “camp leg” and provide legitimate competition for the job.
 
At the moment, the Falcons are looking at:

Ryan Rossner vs. Zac Derr vs. Tony Yelk

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"Who are three guys who have never been in my kitchen." ;) Seriously - never heard of any of these guys, but obviously a situation to watch. The Atlanta kicker spot (indoors, team that struggles at times in the red zone) will produce 100+ points this season.

 
At the moment, the Falcons are looking at:

Ryan Rossner vs. Zac Derr vs. Tony Yelk

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"Who are three guys who have never been in my kitchen." ;) Seriously - never heard of any of these guys, but obviously a situation to watch. The Atlanta kicker spot (indoors, team that struggles at times in the red zone) will produce 100+ points this season.

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The answer involves a fourth guy who's never been in your or Cliff's kitchen (at least I'm assuming he hasn't)... Steve Hoffman. Here's a sneak preview from the forthcoming FBG Team Pages:
The Falcons did not re-sign FA Todd Peterson, although no one else has either. They did hire Steve Hoffman as assistant special teams coach. He spent 15 years finding lesser known (even obscure) kickers to successfully kick for Dallas. The three kickers currently on the roster fit that mold. Ryan Rossner was an undrafted rookie who spent one month with the Falcons last spring. He was inconsistent his senior year at Stephen F. Austin, going 11 of 19 overall on FGs, although 2 of 3 from 50+ yards. Zac Derr was an undrafted rookie in 2002 and spent three weeks with the Cowboys (Hoffman was the kicking coach at the time). He went 15 of 18 on FGs his senior year at Akron. Tony Yelk was an undrafted rookie this year and he impressed Hoffman at the Iowa State pro day. He had success earlier in his college career, although primarily on kickoffs and punting.
 
The Bills have Rian Lindell who is from being the worst kicker in the NFL but I would like to see the team bring in some stiff competition.

 
More from Atlanta:

"As far as guys like Tony [Yelk], there are a ton of them, but you just don't know what they will be until they get into training camp. Go look across the league at teams needing kickers and we are on that list, but we aren't going to draft one. There are too many guys out there that are just as good as who you can draft. Something like eight of the last nine kickers and punters drafted didn't make the team, so it doesn't make any sense to draft them unless you think they will be really good. (Sebastian) Janikowski (first-round pick in 2000) has been OK, buy guys like (Adam) Vinatieri and (Mike) Vanderjagt weren't drafted. The league is full of guys who didn't get drafted."

- Steve Hoffman, Assist. Special Teams Coach

newly hired kicking coach Steve Hoffman will groom a young free agent, GM Rich McKay said, with signing a veteran down the line an option.
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Gotta love diehard sharks panning for kicker gold.

I think Peterson has to latch on somewhere (NE? SF? CHI? WASH?)

 
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Gotta love diehard sharks panning for kicker gold.

I think Peterson has to latch on somewhere (NE? SF? CHI? WASH?)

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no leg strength. The Falcons rarely even attempted a FG from beyond 42 yards because they knew Peterson didn't have the mustard to get it there. WHen they did try, they brought in Koenen (end of half or regulation). Plus, Peterson choked the Tampa game which could have meant playoffs when he got blocked on a very low kick. That kick was a very important one and he blew it.edit -- meant to reply to most recent post asking why he hasn't signed anywhere

 
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Gotta love diehard sharks panning for kicker gold.

I think Peterson has to latch on somewhere (NE? SF? CHI? WASH?)

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no leg strength. The Falcons rarely even attempted a FG from beyond 42 yards because they knew Peterson didn't have the mustard to get it there. WHen they did try, they brought in Koenen (end of half or regulation). Plus, Peterson choked the Tampa game which could have meant playoffs when he got blocked on a very low kick. That kick was a very important one and he blew it.edit -- meant to reply to most recent post asking why he hasn't signed anywhere

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His weak leg is also a concern on kickoffs, which is of concern to most teams. It wasn't a problem for Atlanta last year since they have Koenen, but very few teams have that luxury.
 
Jeff,

good thread. Can you update the top post when things get hashed out for reference?

 
Here's a question for Mr Herman.... why in the world did SD draft a PK? Is Kaeding in trouble?

 
Also are these teams happy with their kickers?

3.  Washington (John Hall)

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They also have Tyler Jones on the roster. He's currently over in NFLEurope playing for Hamburg (6 of 9 FGs, long 44, 13 of 13 PATs).And they just signed punter David Lonie, who also can kick:

Former Ellsworth Community College kicker David Lonie signed a three-year free-agent NFL contract with Washington. Lonie, who finished his collegiate career at the University of California, said he will make the NFL rookie minimum of $275,000 for 2006 if he makes the roster. Lonie said he was signed to do punting, kickoffs and be a backup field goal kicker.
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I don't think there will be much of a battle in NE. Gramatica should be seeking employment elsewhere soon. :kicksrock:

 
More tidbits from Atlanta:

Seth Marler was signed by the Falcons on Thursday and immediately placed atop the depth chart at the team's most uncertain position. Even though Marler was out of the NFL last season and missed the 2004 season because of an injury, he is the only placekicker on the Falcons' roster to have played in the league. Ryan Rossner and Zac Derr have been in NFL camps before but never kicked in a game. The Falcons also signed undrafted kicker Tony Yelk this week. Kicker Todd Peterson, 36, wasn't re-signed after his first season with the Falcons, and president and general manager Rich McKay said the team prefers to groom a young kicker.
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Bears coach Lovie Smith has already thought through the format for a competition between returning kicker Robbie Gould and free agent acquisition Josh Huston. It won't necessarily take the shape of a day-to-day field goal battle in training camp. "We're just going to do it like every other position," Smith said. "We'll let both of them get their kicks each day and then we'll make a decision during the game who will get the majority of the reps. I think as much as anything we just want to put the guys in a situation for them to prove exactly what they have whether they can help us or not."
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Steve Hoffman speaks regarding Tony Yelk:

“He is really talented, now it remains to be seen if he can translate that talent to the pressures of the NFL. He has to do it fast from day one and can't falter. He has a natural kicking ability, he's strong, he's athletic and he is mature enough. The knock on him was he didn't kick many field goals in college. For whatever reason, the coaches there didn't think he was that good of a field goal kicker. He is no dummy, he's getting his master's soon. We thought he was more mature than the others we looked at. He has a good sense of humor and seems like he will fit in with others. Plenty of players who don't fit the college game tear it up in the NFL, and we are hoping he is one of those. If he isn't he won't be here long. He knows that this is a higher level and he is up against stiff competition."

 
Gould vs. Huston

So, just how important is defensive field position for the Bears? With incumbent kicker Robbie Gould kicking off last season, the Bears' opponents on average received the ball just inside the 10-yard line. Gould had just one touchback on 54 kickoff attempts.

Free-agent kicker Josh Huston from Ohio State made a name for himself with superior kickoffs for the Buckeyes. He boomed 75 percent of his kickoffs for touchbacks during his senior season. "It's always nice to have a good kickoff, because that's just an extra bonus," said Huston, who called the Bears for a tryout. He also connected on 22 of 28 field-goal attempts at OSU. NFL kickoffs are done from the opponent's 30-yard line instead of the 35 as in college. And only a 1-inch tee is allowed in the NFL. The Bears will not allot a roster spot for a kickoff man, according to Smith.
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Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

 
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Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

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Edinger is awful. He's great from 50+ but sucks from 30 - 50. Maybe if he didn't have that screwy kicking stance he'd get a job better than the CFL.
 
Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

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Edinger is awful. He's great from 50+ but sucks from 30 - 50. Maybe if he didn't have that screwy kicking stance he'd get a job better than the CFL.
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A guy who is "Great from 50+" deserves attn in NFL circles. Just look at the bums ATL picked up.... certainly no better inside 50 than Edinger.Edit: I just had a thought.... wouldn't the combination of Edinger and Peterson be unstoppable? lol

 
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Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

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Edinger is awful. He's great from 50+ but sucks from 30 - 50. Maybe if he didn't have that screwy kicking stance he'd get a job better than the CFL.
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Good to know you can read.A guy who is "Great from 50+" deserves attn in NFL circles. Just look at the bums ATL picked up.... certainly no better inside 50 than Edinger.

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Okay - he can have "attention" - just not a "job".What's more important - the few 50+ attempts a year or accuracy from the 30-50 range?

Watch football. Then come back.

 
Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

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Edinger is awful. He's great from 50+ but sucks from 30 - 50. Maybe if he didn't have that screwy kicking stance he'd get a job better than the CFL.
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Good to know you can read.A guy who is "Great from 50+" deserves attn in NFL circles. Just look at the bums ATL picked up.... certainly no better inside 50 than Edinger.

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Okay - he can have "attention" - just not a "job".What's more important - the few 50+ attempts a year or accuracy from the 30-50 range?

Watch football. Then come back.

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Firstly I'd like to apologize to the Shark Pool for bumping this thread again.As for Edinger's "awful"ness, the guy is a career 76% inside 50, and that's mostly in the windy city.

Cundiff for example is a career 76% kicker inside 50 and has nowhere near the leg as Edinger. Yet he seems to have a firm grasp on his job in GB.

This is the first and only guy I looked up to compare head-to-head with Edinger.

I will not spend anymore time than this researching kickers, but I'd like to close by saying...

Before pigeonholing a guy as a "CFL kicker", consider the numbers before just assuming someone sucks because they have an abnormal kicking form.

And give me back 10 minutes of my life please.

 
Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

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Edinger is awful. He's great from 50+ but sucks from 30 - 50. Maybe if he didn't have that screwy kicking stance he'd get a job better than the CFL.
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Good to know you can read.A guy who is "Great from 50+" deserves attn in NFL circles. Just look at the bums ATL picked up.... certainly no better inside 50 than Edinger.

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Okay - he can have "attention" - just not a "job".What's more important - the few 50+ attempts a year or accuracy from the 30-50 range?

Watch football. Then come back.

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Firstly I'd like to apologize to the Shark Pool for bumping this thread again.

As for Edinger's "awful"ness, the guy is a career 76% inside 50, and that's mostly in the windy city.

Cundiff for example is a career 76% kicker inside 50 and has nowhere near the leg as Edinger. Yet he seems to have a firm grasp on his job in GB.

This is the first and only guy I looked up to compare head-to-head with Edinger.

I will not spend anymore time than this researching kickers, but I'd like to close by saying...

Before pigeonholing a guy as a "CFL kicker", consider the numbers before just assuming someone sucks because they have an abnormal kicking form.

And give me back 10 minutes of my life please.



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CAN YOU READ?

Check his stats, like I said, between 30 - 50 yards.

Past 3 seasons:

2003 18 for 27

2004 6 for 12

2005 11 for 18

61%!!!!!!!!! :lmao:

The guy is a joke.

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Billy Cundiff over that same period.

2003 - 16 for 17

2004 - 10 for 10

2005 - 3 for 6

88%.

And yes he was in Dallas those 3 years, but you're the one who used him as a comparison, not me.

Edinger is not an NFL quality kicker - 30 - 50 is the meat & potatoes of FG's.

 
Sorry to bump this (Kickers suck)....

But where oh where is Paul Edinger???

Enough about Todd Peterson...Edinger can actually attempt a kick over 40 yards. This guy has a LEG... and in leagues that reward points for longer FGs, he should be at least top 20.

Anyone?

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As others have mentioned, his accuracy on shorter and medium range kicks has prevented him from immediately landing a job. He could still get a call from someone if their younger prospect(s) don't pan out.Another issue hurting Edinger's marketability (and also Peterson's) is poor kickoffs.

 
Is Cundiff really going to be an easy winner with Rayner there also. I almost like Rayner to win that job in the end. Indy let him go because of the Vineteri signing only. They spent a draft pick on him last year.

 
Is Cundiff really going to be an easy winner with Rayner there also. I almost like Rayner to win that job in the end. Indy let him go because of the Vineteri signing only. They spent a draft pick on him last year.

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I also could see Rayner winning this. I also wouldn't be surprised if neither comes thru, and the Packers end up with someone elses late August castoff.
 

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