Kiper/McShay Mocks (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

ESPN Insider has a head-to-head comparison of Mel Kiper and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts. I won't post them b/c it's Insider material, but I will share the six players they agree about; because it was discussed several times today on ESPN radio and thus, I figure, fair game.

1.01 -- Miami Dolphins -- OT Jake Long, Michigan

1.05 -- Kansas City Chiefs -- OG/OT Branden Albert, Virginia

1.15 -- Detroit Lions -- RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois

1.21 -- Washington Redskins -- DE Phillip Merling, Clemson

1.22 -- Dallas Cowboys -- RB Felix Jones, Arkansas

1.30 -- Green Bay Packers -- DB Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech

Interesting, particularly the Branden Albert. I know his stock appears to be rising, but to now have him seemingly the consensus pick to KC at 5? Wow.

 

[Abraham]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

 

[NoFBinLA]

ESPN Insider has a head-to-head comparison of Mel Kiper and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts. I won't post them b/c it's Insider material, but I will share the six players they agree about; because it was discussed several times today on ESPN radio and thus, I figure, fair game.1.01 -- Miami Dolphins -- OT Jake Long, Michigan1.05 -- Kansas City Chiefs -- OG/OT Branden Albert, Virginia 1.15 -- Detroit Lions -- RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois1.21 -- Washington Redskins -- DE Phillip Merling, Clemson1.22 -- Dallas Cowboys -- RB Felix Jones, Arkansas1.30 -- Green Bay Packers -- DB Brandon Flowers, Virginia TechInteresting, particularly the Branden Albert. I know his stock appears to be rising, but to now have him seemingly the consensus pick to KC at 5? Wow.

RE: Albert - it seems to me, more and more, that McShay and Kiper (esp Kiper) don't lead the pack - they follow it. And then they overstate it.I like Albert, but I dunno if I like him THAT much.But everyone is in love with the kid now, so something about moving him that far up says 'ESPN' to me. Although I saw someone I think had him at 7 to the Pats the other day. Might have been on NFL.com, I'll try to find it.The rest are pretty by the book, I think.I'll have to go check it out...

 

[FTRWRTR]

That is high for a guard but I don't see it happening. I don't have the insider but IIRC both of those guys have atlanta drafting matt ryan which won't happen and I can't see KC passing him up if he falls to them.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Hey Jason - I have insider, where do they have the comparison posted. I don't see it...

nevermind - think I found it.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I doubt they're right on the GB pick, if only because 4 or 5 CBs will be available there and no one knows who GB prefers (AFAIK), and there are a number of better players at other positions who could easily fall to 30.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

ESPN Insider has a head-to-head comparison of Mel Kiper and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts. I won't post them b/c it's Insider material, but I will share the six players they agree about; because it was discussed several times today on ESPN radio and thus, I figure, fair game.1.01 -- Miami Dolphins -- OT Jake Long, Michigan1.05 -- Kansas City Chiefs -- OG/OT Branden Albert, Virginia 1.15 -- Detroit Lions -- RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois1.21 -- Washington Redskins -- DE Phillip Merling, Clemson1.22 -- Dallas Cowboys -- RB Felix Jones, Arkansas1.30 -- Green Bay Packers -- DB Brandon Flowers, Virginia TechInteresting, particularly the Branden Albert. I know his stock appears to be rising, but to now have him seemingly the consensus pick to KC at 5? Wow.

I cringe when the "consensus" for mocks is two ESPN guys. Oof.

 

[cowboymouth]

albert can play all 5 positions on the OL, besides Long, many believe he is the best OL in the group due to his versatility.

 

[Jason Wood]

ESPN Insider has a head-to-head comparison of Mel Kiper and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts. I won't post them b/c it's Insider material, but I will share the six players they agree about; because it was discussed several times today on ESPN radio and thus, I figure, fair game.1.01 -- Miami Dolphins -- OT Jake Long, Michigan1.05 -- Kansas City Chiefs -- OG/OT Branden Albert, Virginia 1.15 -- Detroit Lions -- RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois1.21 -- Washington Redskins -- DE Phillip Merling, Clemson1.22 -- Dallas Cowboys -- RB Felix Jones, Arkansas1.30 -- Green Bay Packers -- DB Brandon Flowers, Virginia TechInteresting, particularly the Branden Albert. I know his stock appears to be rising, but to now have him seemingly the consensus pick to KC at 5? Wow.

I cringe when the "consensus" for mocks is two ESPN guys. Oof.

I didn't mean to imply that Kiper + McShay = Consensus. They're not the only ones talking up Albert at 1.05, NFL Total Access mentioned it, as did Sporting News IIRC.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

ESPN Insider has a head-to-head comparison of Mel Kiper and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts. I won't post them b/c it's Insider material, but I will share the six players they agree about; because it was discussed several times today on ESPN radio and thus, I figure, fair game.1.01 -- Miami Dolphins -- OT Jake Long, Michigan1.05 -- Kansas City Chiefs -- OG/OT Branden Albert, Virginia 1.15 -- Detroit Lions -- RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois1.21 -- Washington Redskins -- DE Phillip Merling, Clemson1.22 -- Dallas Cowboys -- RB Felix Jones, Arkansas1.30 -- Green Bay Packers -- DB Brandon Flowers, Virginia TechInteresting, particularly the Branden Albert. I know his stock appears to be rising, but to now have him seemingly the consensus pick to KC at 5? Wow.

I cringe when the "consensus" for mocks is two ESPN guys. Oof.

I didn't mean to imply that Kiper + McShay = Consensus. They're not the only ones talking up Albert at 1.05, NFL Total Access mentioned it, as did Sporting News IIRC.

Oh, OK. That scared me. I do think that from what I have read, it's somewhat justified due to his versatility and NFL readiness. He's not really viewed as a true OG only guy, but someone who can play all along the line.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

I don't know about other teams, but the Redskins, if (HUGE if) he fell to them at 1.21 would almost certainly take him with the long term goal of having him replace Samuels at LT. In other words, this isn't your typical OG.

 

[Jason Wood]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

I don't know about other teams, but the Redskins, if (HUGE if) he fell to them at 1.21 would almost certainly take him with the long term goal of having him replace Samuels at LT. In other words, this isn't your typical OG.

Talking about taking him at 1.21 and 1.05 are night and day; no one would blink if you took him at 1.21. Hell, the Eagles would almost assuredly take him at 1.19. But 1.05? With guys that actually played tackle full time in college and project as starters in the league on the board? Wow.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

I don't know about other teams, but the Redskins, if (HUGE if) he fell to them at 1.21 would almost certainly take him with the long term goal of having him replace Samuels at LT. In other words, this isn't your typical OG.

Talking about taking him at 1.21 and 1.05 are night and day; no one would blink if you took him at 1.21. Hell, the Eagles would almost assuredly take him at 1.19. But 1.05? With guys that actually played tackle full time in college and project as starters in the league on the board? Wow.

You may have missed my point. Regardless of where he goes, there's at least one team (with a respected o-line coach in Bugel no less) that apparently thinks Albert is not "just a guard". That may be the thinking in KC too, and if so taking him at 1.05 thinking he's a future LT stud isn't so ridiculous.

 

[Yitbos69]

I was just looking over Kipers Draft and these 3 picks stood out to me from a FF perspective. These were listed on NFL live so again fair game.

4 Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas

15 Detroit Lions Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois

18 Houston Texans Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon

If Kiper is correct......does this change anyone's opinion of the order of the top 3 picks?

 

[Andy Herron]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

 

[Bankerguy]

I think the overlap in some cases is from laziness. Felix Jones to Dallas has been out there for a while, so now it's like everyone doing a mock just pencils it in without really thinking about it. I'd be very surprised to see Dallas take him at 22. Just my $0.02 though.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

Since 1980, Bill Fralic was the only guard drafted higher than #5 - he went 2nd overall to the Falcons in 1985. Since then, only 6 Gs have gone in the top ten. (Have I mentioned the new draft data in http://www.pro-football-reference.com kicks ###?)

 

[Mr Capicollo]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

Since 1980, Bill Fralic was the only guard drafted higher than #5 - he went 2nd overall to the Falcons in 1985. Since then, only 6 Gs have gone in the top ten. (Have I mentioned the new draft data in http://www.pro-football-reference.com kicks ###?)

Get it through your heads, guys, some folks don't view him as a guard, even if that's where he starts playing. He can slide to tackle in the NFL.

 

[vandyt]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

 

[Jason Wood]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

 

[Mr Capicollo]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

It makes me wonder whether all these guys who have so much to say about the draft (as judged by their posts in the Shark Pool) are actually paying attention to what they're talking about.

 

[supermark_28]

I was just looking over Kipers Draft and these 3 picks stood out to me from a FF perspective. These were listed on NFL live so again fair game.4 Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 15 Detroit Lions Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois18 Houston Texans Jonathan Stewart, RB OregonIf Kiper is correct......does this change anyone's opinion of the order of the top 3 picks?

From Kiper's lips to the fantasy gods ears (owner of picks 1.02 and 1.03).

 

[TLEF316]

everything I've heard/read states that Albert is being evaluated as a possible franchise LT. He's got the size and apparently the footwork to make the move. He isnt being evaluated as a guard at this point.

Still, 1.5 is pretty darn high. I guess people just arent nuts about the 2nd tier tackles (Otah, Cherilus, ect)

 

[Abraham]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

It makes me wonder whether all these guys who have so much to say about the draft (as judged by their posts in the Shark Pool) are actually paying attention to what they're talking about.

Okay, let me re-phrase: that is extraordinarily high for a "project" tackle when some solid prospects (Williams, Clady, Otah) would still be avl.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

It makes me wonder whether all these guys who have so much to say about the draft (as judged by their posts in the Shark Pool) are actually paying attention to what they're talking about.

Okay, let me re-phrase: that is extraordinarily high for a "project" tackle when some solid prospects (Williams, Clady, Otah) would still be avl.

He's a "project"?

 

[TLEF316]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

It makes me wonder whether all these guys who have so much to say about the draft (as judged by their posts in the Shark Pool) are actually paying attention to what they're talking about.

Okay, let me re-phrase: that is extraordinarily high for a "project" tackle when some solid prospects (Williams, Clady, Otah) would still be avl.

This situation seems similar to the Joe Staley talk from last year. He came out of pretty much nowhere and eventually there was talk of him jumping over Brown and making it into the top 10. He eventually "cooled" off and fell back into the 20's. Might we see a similar thing with Albert? Disclaimer: I know absolutly nothing about any tackle in this draft other than Jake Long. I'm just speculating. I had never heard of albert until like a week ago.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

Why the smarmy response?If you do some research on UVA's OL last year, you would know that Groh played Eugene Monroe at left tackle. Monroe was a former #1 OL recruit and potential high NFL pick himself in coming years. So he put Albert at LG because he already had a left tackle. I suppose he could have played Albert at RT but probably did not because his RT does not have the ability to play guard and he wanted his five best OL on the field.

 

[Abraham]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

It makes me wonder whether all these guys who have so much to say about the draft (as judged by their posts in the Shark Pool) are actually paying attention to what they're talking about.

Okay, let me re-phrase: that is extraordinarily high for a "project" tackle when some solid prospects (Williams, Clady, Otah) would still be avl.

He's a "project"?

At tackle, yes. He's only been playing football for 5 years and IIRC has only started 3 games at tackle. So, he's a "project" in not playing tackle a ton and in terms of not having a lot of football experience. Furthermore, the knock on him (if there is one) is that his run blocking is marginal at best. He may be a great NFL player, but the way drafts usually run, I'll be surprised if he is selected that high.

 

[Abraham]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

Why the smarmy response?If you do some research on UVA's OL last year, you would know that Groh played Eugene Monroe at left tackle. Monroe was a former #1 OL recruit and potential high NFL pick himself in coming years. So he put Albert at LG because he already had a left tackle. I suppose he could have played Albert at RT but probably did not because his RT does not have the ability to play guard and he wanted his five best OL on the field.

So Albert was the 2nd best LT on his team but somehow will be the 5th selection in the NFL draft at that position?

 

[vandyt]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

[joebryant]Turn it down, guy.[/joebryant]

 

[vandyt]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

Why the smarmy response?If you do some research on UVA's OL last year, you would know that Groh played Eugene Monroe at left tackle. Monroe was a former #1 OL recruit and potential high NFL pick himself in coming years. So he put Albert at LG because he already had a left tackle. I suppose he could have played Albert at RT but probably did not because his RT does not have the ability to play guard and he wanted his five best OL on the field.

So Albert was the 2nd best LT on his team but somehow will be the 5th selection in the NFL draft at that position?

Ronnie Brown was the 2nd best RB on his team, but was the 2nd selection in the NFL draft at that position.

 

[Abraham]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

Why the smarmy response?If you do some research on UVA's OL last year, you would know that Groh played Eugene Monroe at left tackle. Monroe was a former #1 OL recruit and potential high NFL pick himself in coming years. So he put Albert at LG because he already had a left tackle. I suppose he could have played Albert at RT but probably did not because his RT does not have the ability to play guard and he wanted his five best OL on the field.

So Albert was the 2nd best LT on his team but somehow will be the 5th selection in the NFL draft at that position?

Ronnie Brown was the 2nd best RB on his team, but was the 2nd selection in the NFL draft at that position.

Jamal Lewis was the 2nd best RB on his team but was the first RB taken in the NFL draft. Brown is a good example, but he had a proven history at the position he was being drafted to play (as did Lewis). Albert could go 5th. Heck, he could go higher than that. I'm just saying that spending such a high pick to take a guy at one of the positions historically ignored by the top-10 (guard) or as a project at a position where there is an abundance of quality (tackle) would be a huge shock to me.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

That is EXTRAORDINARILY high for a guard.

That's what I was about to say.

6'6 310Lb linemen with great feet do not play guard in the NFL.

And the NFL is littered with collegiate guards who flourish as NFL tackles?

Why the smarmy response?If you do some research on UVA's OL last year, you would know that Groh played Eugene Monroe at left tackle. Monroe was a former #1 OL recruit and potential high NFL pick himself in coming years. So he put Albert at LG because he already had a left tackle. I suppose he could have played Albert at RT but probably did not because his RT does not have the ability to play guard and he wanted his five best OL on the field.

So Albert was the 2nd best LT on his team but somehow will be the 5th selection in the NFL draft at that position?

I think it's more of a case of UVA having 3 good tackles and Albert is the one that could play OG over the other two.

 

[NoFBinLA]

everything I've heard/read states that Albert is being evaluated as a possible franchise LT. He's got the size and apparently the footwork to make the move. He isnt being evaluated as a guard at this point. Still, 1.5 is pretty darn high. I guess people just arent nuts about the 2nd tier tackles (Otah, Cherilus, ect)

The more I look at Albert, the more I see what others see and the more convinced I am he will go high - though maybe not top 5. The versatility, size and athleticism are really very attractive. He has some work to do, but is a pretty darn good player.The more I study him, the less surprised I am with his status.