KJ to get 20-25 carries Sunday per: Rod Marinelli (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Just heard on WDFN Detroit.

The Lions want to start running the ball more to take some pressure off the passing game. Marinelli stated he wants Kevin Jones to have between 20-25 rushes on Sunday.

That is from the horses mouth.

It is happens that is yet to be seen, but that was the HC talking.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

 

[LionsFan78]

In the background you can faintly hear Martz..."But that's not how I roll, Rod"

Kidding. Of course, coachspeak aside, this would be a great situation for Jones. If he even sniffs his midseason form from last year, some people are in for quite a bargain this year.

 

[Da Guru]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

i expect kitna to have 60 pass attempts.

 

[numberSE7EN]

i expect kitna to have 60 pass attempts.

With Kitna having 60 pass attempts, KJ getting 20-25 carries looks like starting Kitna, Roy, and KJ is going to be $$$ this week....I doubt KJ gets 20+ carries. 20-25 touches, I could see though. 15-18 carries and 4-6 catches is what I am expecting.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

 

[packersfan]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

You can't take a fat girl out to dinner and then be surprised when she orders everything on the menu.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

You can't take a fat girl out to dinner and then be surprised when she orders everything on the menu.

LOL . . . excellent analogy . . .

 

[brock]

its going to be a tough week to test kj and give him that many carries.

 

[jah2707]

its going to be a tough week to test kj and give him that many carries.

Why do people keep saying that? The bucs Rush DEF is ranked 21st and if jones can get 50 yards in one quarter against wash. which has the 6th ranked rushing def. then why can't he get 20 carries this week? I like his chances!

 

[matuski]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

 

[numberSE7EN]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

 

[wilked]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

Yes, why don't you actually check some numbers before spreading ignorance

 

[bcr8f]

You can't give W authority to go to war and then be surprised when he screws it up.

More like it

 

[King of the Wolfies]

You can't elect an oilman as president and not expect gas prices to skyrocket.

 

[BigRed]

You can't be a liberal w/o being brain-dead.



Can we get back to football now?

I doubt Jones gets 20 or if so, just barely that....Martz is Martz and he'll air the #### out of it, and that's not such a terrible strategy generally, given the weapons. But if (repeat if) Martz was really the offensive whiz people make him out to be, he would balance it more.

 

[KingEl]

You know- MARTZ actually is not the head coach of the Lions.............

He may make the play calls, but if the head coach decides to tweak the philosophy of the attack, Martz would have to go along with it.

I don't know if KJ will get that many carries or not, but this "Martz won't let it happen" talk is dumb. Its not Martz's call.

 

[duaneok66]

You can't be a liberal w/o being brain-dead. Can we get back to football now?I doubt Jones gets 20 or if so, just barely that....Martz is Martz and he'll air the #### out of it, and that's not such a terrible strategy generally, given the weapons. But if (repeat if) Martz was really the offensive whiz people make him out to be, he would balance it more.

it's not the system, is the players, and more specifically, the OL . . .The Colts and Pats can go into "pass mode" during parts of games and pass nearly every down and no one says a word - why? because they are winning??The Lions COULD do the same with the pass under Martz if they had even an "average" offensive line . . .

 

[duaneok66]

You know- MARTZ actually is not the head coach of the Lions.............He may make the play calls, but if the head coach decides to tweak the philosophy of the attack, Martz would have to go along with it. I don't know if KJ will get that many carries or not, but this "Martz won't let it happen" talk is dumb. Its not Martz's call.

It looks like it HAS been Rod's call in the first 1 1/2 years of being OC at Detroit - maybe Marinelli imposes his will more this week - but he has yet to do it - and if you are going to draft AND acquire receivers to suit a Martz attack, why not use them???

 

[cobalt_27]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

You can't take a fat girl out to dinner and then be surprised when she orders everything on the menu.

Do I have your permission to plagiarize this at some point down the road?

 

[towney]

With Jacobs durability issues at RB2 for me this is welcome news as a KJ owner.

 

[Da Guru]

You know- MARTZ actually is not the head coach of the Lions.............He may make the play calls, but if the head coach decides to tweak the philosophy of the attack, Martz would have to go along with it. I don't know if KJ will get that many carries or not, but this "Martz won't let it happen" talk is dumb. Its not Martz's call.

It looks like it HAS been Rod's call in the first 1 1/2 years of being OC at Detroit - maybe Marinelli imposes his will more this week - but he has yet to do it - and if you are going to draft AND acquire receivers to suit a Martz attack, why not use them???

Balance..teams were catching on to the Lions attack, sneak in a few draws, some play action only makes the passing attack more effective.

 

[Futeki]

Balance..teams were catching on to the Lions attack, sneak in a few draws, some play action only makes the passing attack more effective.

Those are my thoughts exactly. They need a back to keep the defenses honest. Getting KJ near 20 carries will only help the passing attack.

 

[MDSkinner]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

Yes, why don't you actually check some numbers before spreading ignorance

I may be spreading some ignorance here myself, but I am pretty sure on those Rams teams where he was running the ball more, they were winning.....sometimes by a lot. Greatest show on turf and all.Will the Lions be up by a lot against Tampa? Will they be up at all against Tampa? Maybe. But I doubt they blow them out and try to actually chew up some serious clock along the way.I doubt we see more than 20 carries. I would bet more in the 14-17 range, but that is just me.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

We heard anywhere from 20 to 30 carries from E. Graham from Tampa Bay as well and they weren't even close.

I guess it makes you feel like the coach is thinking about the RB but seriously, think about it. If you were really going to give your RB 25 carries, would you tell the other team before you went and did it?

 

[Avery]

We heard anywhere from 20 to 30 carries from E. Graham from Tampa Bay as well and they weren't even close.I guess it makes you feel like the coach is thinking about the RB but seriously, think about it. If you were really going to give your RB 25 carries, would you tell the other team before you went and did it?

What you're saying is understandable, but I look at this another way.If I was an NFL coach, would I actually give Ernest Graham 20 to 30 carries?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

 

[Da Guru]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

Two more rushes a quarter and you are over 20 for the game. That does not seem to difficult.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

Two more rushes a quarter and you are over 20 for the game. That does not seem to difficult.

just two more a quarter?? Why not go for five more a quarter while you're at it???

 

[ScoobyDoo]

We heard anywhere from 20 to 30 carries from E. Graham from Tampa Bay as well and they weren't even close.

LOL. I sucked down that Kool-Aid last week and lost because of it. Or the other infinite reasons I lost. Now I pick up this guy and dump Graham and have some more Kool-Aid to drink.

 

[Payne]

We heard anywhere from 20 to 30 carries from E. Graham from Tampa Bay as well and they weren't even close.I guess it makes you feel like the coach is thinking about the RB but seriously, think about it. If you were really going to give your RB 25 carries, would you tell the other team before you went and did it?

Did you just compare a starting caliber RB who has proven to put up points with a rookie who a few weeks ago was 3rd string??I doubt Jones gets much more than 20 carries myself (if at all), but Detroit needs to run the ball a little bit more and Jones is >>>>>>Graham.

 

[Kuz]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

Yes, why don't you actually check some numbers before spreading ignorance

not to really nitpick here.. but it looks like there was only 1 year where Faulk had 20 carries a game.. Your comment made it seem like he did it every year...

 

[Da Guru]

The bottom line is the HC said after the Redskin loss that the Lions have to run the ball more. The Skins were only rushing three guys, there was nobody within 5 yards on the line of scrimmage. They clogged up the passing lanes.

That being said, when Martz gets into the heat of the battle I am not sure the word run even crosses his mind.

 

[wilked]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs.

I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

 

[Chunky Soup]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

And...look at the data given above? Add the receptions and you have a solid number of total touches per game.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

And...look at the data given above? Add the receptions and you have a solid number of total touches per game.

suit yourself . . . most coaches throw to the receiver out of the backfield . . . doesn't change the fact that most of the time, his back doesnt get twenty carries a game . . .

 

[Chunky Soup]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

And...look at the data given above? Add the receptions and you have a solid number of total touches per game.

suit yourself . . . most coaches throw to the receiver out of the backfield . . . doesn't change the fact that most of the time, his back doesnt get twenty carries a game . . .

KJ had 244 touches last year through 12 games. Thats 325 for a season, good for top 10-15 for the NFL.

 

[Kuz]

back to the OP.. I think barring injuries occuring with K Jones.. He makes for a really good # 2 RB from here on out. Even if he only gets 15 carries a game.. He will still catch balls out of the backfield & Tatum Bell is a non-factor when it comes to the short TD's.. I would have no problems with Jones on my team.. I doubt he will have many games with 20 carries but will approach those touches with catching the ball..

 

[Chunky Soup]

FWIW: 20 carries a game is hard to come by. Thats 320 rushes over a season. Over the last 3 years, it has been either 7 or 8 RBs per season who did that.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

And...look at the data given above? Add the receptions and you have a solid number of total touches per game.

suit yourself . . . most coaches throw to the receiver out of the backfield . . . doesn't change the fact that most of the time, his back doesnt get twenty carries a game . . .

KJ had 244 touches last year through 12 games. Thats 325 for a season, good for top 10-15 for the NFL.

last year was an aberrataion . . . Kitna had Roy and Mike as targets, that's it . . . now he has four legitimate targets for receivers . . .and before someone counters with Faulk getting so many looks, the comparison (running and receiving) between Faulk and KJ is a joke, Faulk is one the best backs in history catching passes out of the backfield - his route running and hands were WR quality; KJ is just another guy . . .

to KJ owners I say -

good luck . . .

 

[duaneok66]

FWIW: 20 carries a game is hard to come by. Thats 320 rushes over a season. Over the last 3 years, it has been either 7 or 8 RBs per season who did that.

and that's not even taking into account that Jones gets hurt about as much as Brandon Jacobs . . .

 

[ScoobyDoo]

FWIW: 20 carries a game is hard to come by. Thats 320 rushes over a season. Over the last 3 years, it has been either 7 or 8 RBs per season who did that.

and that's not even taking into account that Jones gets hurt about as much as Brandon Jacobs . . .

And that direct comparison makes him a sure bust this year.

 

[NFZ]

Why couldnt Martz and Marinelli have come up with a game plan to get KJ more touches? They know they are going against the cover two defense this week. All they have to do is get 5-6 decent run plays off to start the game before one of the safeties come in and then with the speed of their WRs on both ends Detroit should be able to pop one deep.

Sorry. I forgot, they are still the Lions. Stupid logic.

 

[duaneok66]

Why couldnt Martz and Marinelli have come up with a game plan to get KJ more touches? They know they are going against the cover two defense this week. All they have to do is get 5-6 decent run plays off to start the game before one of the safeties come in and then with the speed of their WRs on both ends Detroit should be able to pop one deep.

Sorry. I forgot, they are still the Lions. Stupid logic.

I am thinking they will do that - then Martz will revert to his usual modus operandi . . .

 

[Chunky Soup]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

And...look at the data given above? Add the receptions and you have a solid number of total touches per game.

suit yourself . . . most coaches throw to the receiver out of the backfield . . . doesn't change the fact that most of the time, his back doesnt get twenty carries a game . . .

KJ had 244 touches last year through 12 games. Thats 325 for a season, good for top 10-15 for the NFL.

last year was an aberrataion . . . Kitna had Roy and Mike as targets, that's it . . . now he has four legitimate targets for receivers . . .and before someone counters with Faulk getting so many looks, the comparison (running and receiving) between Faulk and KJ is a joke, Faulk is one the best backs in history catching passes out of the backfield - his route running and hands were WR quality; KJ is just another guy . . .

to KJ owners I say -

good luck . . .

Cool. In his last two games, Kevin Jones had 12 and 13 touches. This is when he wasn't starting. Also, there is absolutely 0 reason to think that they would throw more or less than last year. This is pure opinion from you. When we look at the facts, however, we can see that last year Kitna averaged 37.25 attempts per game. This year he is averaging 33.6.

 

[duaneok66]

Cool. In his last two games, Kevin Jones had 12 and 13 touches. This is when he wasn't starting.

Also, there is absolutely 0 reason to think that they would throw more or less than last year. This is pure opinion from you. When we look at the facts, however, we can see that last year Kitna averaged 37.25 attempts per game. This year he is averaging 33.6.

let me clarify - the will throw LESS to RBs this year . . .

 

[Chunky Soup]

Cool. In his last two games, Kevin Jones had 12 and 13 touches. This is when he wasn't starting.

Also, there is absolutely 0 reason to think that they would throw more or less than last year. This is pure opinion from you. When we look at the facts, however, we can see that last year Kitna averaged 37.25 attempts per game. This year he is averaging 33.6.

let me clarify - the will throw LESS to RBs this year . . .

Can you tell me exactly why this is? Maybe I'm missing something -- when Martz had Bruce and Holt he was throwing to the RB just fine. They have less talent at WR right now in DET and a VERY capable receiving back. I can't see why Martz would change his ways too much.

 

[duaneok66]

Cool. In his last two games, Kevin Jones had 12 and 13 touches. This is when he wasn't starting.

Also, there is absolutely 0 reason to think that they would throw more or less than last year. This is pure opinion from you. When we look at the facts, however, we can see that last year Kitna averaged 37.25 attempts per game. This year he is averaging 33.6.

let me clarify - the will throw LESS to RBs this year . . .

Can you tell me exactly why this is? Maybe I'm missing something -- when Martz had Bruce and Holt he was throwing to the RB just fine. They have less talent at WR right now in DET and a VERY capable receiving back. I can't see why Martz would change his ways too much.

I explained that back in post #42 . . .