KJ to get 20-25 carries Sunday per: Rod Marinelli (1 Viewer)

[wilked]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

The answer is a resounding yes... but keep knocking it, I like the misconception myself.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm

Thanks for the link, interesting to sift through the data.

23%26 games with 20+ rushes in stl... in 7 seasons (not counting his 8th).

That is really a limiting analysis though...20 is a completely arbitrary cutoff. Is 20 carries really that different then 19? 18? What is a baseline NFL number for carries by the main RB? What is the baseline for a top 10 fantasy RB? I think a cursory look at the numbers shows that Martz gives the ball to his main RB plenty of times per game, seemingly not much different then other coaches or top 10 RBs. I don't have the time, but one quick and dirty method would be to use Data Dominator to show how many carries St Louis had for the years during the Martz era, relative to other teams in the league. I am gonna wager they were in the top 10

wrong - his teams are usually at or near the bottom is rushing attempts per year . . .

Any data to back that up?

 

[duaneok66]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

 

[wilked]

2007 - currently LAST2006 - LAST2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th2003 - 28th2002 - LAST2001 - 22nd2000 - 26th1999 - 17thstats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Nice, thanks

 

[Chunky Soup]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

 

[duaneok66]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

not in this lifetime . . .

 

[duaneok66]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

again, MOST coaches throw to their backs, so that part's a non-issue . . . again, all of this has been covered, so I don't know why you're rehashing it . . .DEAD LAST means DEAD LAST . . . you can sugarcoat it all you want . . .

 

[Chunky Soup]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

again, MOST coaches throw to their backs, so that part's a non-issue . . . again, all of this has been covered, so I don't know why you're rehashing it . . .DEAD LAST means DEAD LAST . . . you can sugarcoat it all you want . . .

Dead last and far back in RB carries also made Faulk a FANTASTIC back those years. Dead last last year also made KJ #7 RB last year PPG. When you said "most coaches throw to their back" is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge blanket statement. (had to add those 'u's to show how big that blanket is). So...Shaun Alexander receiving stats and Kevin Jones' receiving stats cancel out? :nice: You need to count these stats because KJ is a great receiver (not to mention an incredible rusher) and Martz will get him the ball.

btw, messed up on my < sign there. Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant it the other way.

 

[duaneok66]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

again, MOST coaches throw to their backs, so that part's a non-issue . . . again, all of this has been covered, so I don't know why you're rehashing it . . .DEAD LAST means DEAD LAST . . . you can sugarcoat it all you want . . .

Dead last also made Faulk the #1 back that year. When you said "most coaches throw to their back" is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge blanket statement. (had to add those 'u's to show how big that blanket is). So...Shaun Alexander receiving stats and Kevin Jones' receiving stats cancel out? :nice: You need to count these stats because KJ is a great receiver (not to mention an incredible rusher) and Martz will get him the ball. btw, messed up on my < sign there. Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant it the other way.

incredible runner???? LOL you must be related to him . . .obviously, you didnt bother to read my earlier post . . .

and you pick out the worst receiving back in the league to make your point . . . funny stuff . . .

again, KJ's overall receiving stats will be worse than last year's stats . . .

see you in January . . .

 

[matuski]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

again, MOST coaches throw to their backs, so that part's a non-issue . . . again, all of this has been covered, so I don't know why you're rehashing it . . .DEAD LAST means DEAD LAST . . . you can sugarcoat it all you want . . .

Dead last also made Faulk the #1 back that year. When you said "most coaches throw to their back" is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge blanket statement. (had to add those 'u's to show how big that blanket is). So...Shaun Alexander receiving stats and Kevin Jones' receiving stats cancel out? :nice: You need to count these stats because KJ is a great receiver (not to mention an incredible rusher) and Martz will get him the ball. btw, messed up on my < sign there. Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant it the other way.

incredible runner???? LOL you must be related to him . . .obviously, you didnt bother to read my earlier post . . .

and you pick out the worst receiving back in the league to make your point . . . funny stuff . . .

again, KJ's overall receiving stats will be worse than last year's stats . . .

see you in January . . .

why are you being so defensive in these posts? you are bringing far more emotion into this than anlysis or evidence.

 

[abe froman]

2007 - currently LAST

2006 - LAST

2004 (I skipped 2005 because he was gone part of the year) - 30th

2003 - 28th

2002 - LAST

2001 - 22nd

2000 - 26th

1999 - 17th

stats courtesy of pro-football-reference.com . . .

Yet Faulk had 250+ carries each year with Martz (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/FaulMa00.htm) and had lots of rec. to go along with that. Total rushing attempts clearly are not the key stat here -- a lot depends on % to your primary guy, not to mention receptions.It's interesting that you acknowledged that Faulk had plenty of opportunities before, but then said because KJ > Faulk, KJ won't get as many...and now you say that Martz never gets the RB the ball.

again, MOST coaches throw to their backs, so that part's a non-issue . . . again, all of this has been covered, so I don't know why you're rehashing it . . .DEAD LAST means DEAD LAST . . . you can sugarcoat it all you want . . .

Dead last also made Faulk the #1 back that year. When you said "most coaches throw to their back" is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge blanket statement. (had to add those 'u's to show how big that blanket is). So...Shaun Alexander receiving stats and Kevin Jones' receiving stats cancel out? :nice: You need to count these stats because KJ is a great receiver (not to mention an incredible rusher) and Martz will get him the ball. btw, messed up on my < sign there. Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant it the other way.

incredible runner???? LOL you must be related to him . . .obviously, you didnt bother to read my earlier post . . .

and you pick out the worst receiving back in the league to make your point . . . funny stuff . . .

again, KJ's overall receiving stats will be worse than last year's stats . . .

see you in January . . .

Cant wait till KJ starts smackin all these naysayers in the mouth!! hopefully this weekend

 

[J R]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

wanted to come back to this topic . . .Tough to stick to running the ball when your defense is getting rolled. In the 3rd Q, the Lions had a drive for a FG that had 5 rushes and a pass attempt for KJ. On the next drive, they got the ball at the 8. KJ ran for a loss on 1st. Kitna was sacked for a safety on 2nd. Next time they get the ball it's the 4th Q and they get the ball at the 10, down by 2 TDs now. They've had 7 drives so far, which means they're getting about 2 drives per quarter at this point. I don't know what the odds are that the Lions can go a run-heavy drive for 90 yards, let alone then get a quick stop and score again before that game ends, but I imagine they're very close to zero.The Lions are just going to get blown out once in a while by a superior team and abandon the run in the process. Only good teams get to run out the clock after all. Otherwise, I bet the goal is to get KJ 20 carries a game, and the actually interesting piece of news here is that the Lions at least think KJ is healthy enough to be the guy now.

 

[Ilov80s]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

He didn't. Millen did.

 

[duaneok66]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

He didn't. Millen did.

http://www.nbc5.com/nfl/6848358/detail.html

he had SOME input on the decision . . .

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Does a Martz offense EVER have a guy get 20 rushes in one game???

I heard Rod was angry the Lions did not stick to running the ball more against the Skins..Jones had almost 50 yards in the third quarter.

if this is true then Marinelli should have never hired Martz in the first place . . .

He didn't. Millen did.

If Millen is making the decision then it has to be a bad one.

 

[boom king]

ruh-roh

 

[Da Guru]

Looking pretty good so far. 7 carries 42 yards TD in the first quarter.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Looking pretty good so far. 7 carries 42 yards TD in the first quarter.

The entire first drive was all KJ.

 

[Da Guru]

Looking pretty good so far. 7 carries 42 yards TD in the first quarter.

The entire first drive was all KJ.

KJ looked good but TB had the ball quite a bit.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Looking pretty good so far. 7 carries 42 yards TD in the first quarter.

The entire first drive was all KJ. :(

KJ looked good but TB had the ball quite a bit.

Yeah. 15 carries.

Detroit had 20 runs + 20 passes (and 4 Kitna scrambles/runs).

Compared to TBs 74 offensive plays.

 

[Da Guru]

Just heard on WDFN Detroit.The Lions want to start running the ball more to take some pressure off the passing game. Marinelli stated he wants Kevin Jones to have between 20-25 rushes on Sunday.That is from the horses mouth.It is happens that is yet to be seen, but that was the HC talking.

Just heard the Lion presser and it looks like the running game is here to stay. Good news for KJ owners.

 

[NoCheese]

Just heard on WDFN Detroit.The Lions want to start running the ball more to take some pressure off the passing game. Marinelli stated he wants Kevin Jones to have between 20-25 rushes on Sunday.That is from the horses mouth.It is happens that is yet to be seen, but that was the HC talking.

Just heard the Lion presser and it looks like the running game is here to stay. Good news for KJ owners.

 

[Peak]

Need KJ to help shore up a thinning RB corp of Gore and McGahee.

 

[tietzjd]

AS KJ owner as R. Williams Owner who just traded Edge to get him....