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Knowshon Moreno hurt in first practice session (1 Viewer)

For anyone speculating on a time frame for this. Could you state what you are basing this on? Are you a physician, a trainer, did your sister pull her hamstring in track and field? I would like to know you have some sort of expertise before seeing your estimate of time missed.
I've been writing the early Monday Injury report for Footballguys.com during most of the last decade, and I've literally seen thousands of injuries/surgeries etc and reported on the outcome(s) of these situations for that length of time. I also track offseason/training camp injuries on this board and have been doing so for the past five years or so. I've had many, many conversations/chats with medical doctors, sports therapists and others with medical expertise (including board members and our own Footballguy Dr. Jene Bramel), and have read extensively online and in medical journals/scientific publications regarding the various sorts of sports injuries that can be inflicted on players and the likely prognosis for a wide variety of injuries. How's that? While I am NOT a doctor, nurse, or therapist, I am a well-informed individual who has studied these issues for a long period of time.

Anyways, right now we don't have enough information, in my opinion, to state a definitive time-frame for Moreno's injury. However, there is enough information for informed speculation.

IF he has seriously torn the hamstring, then he would be out for a significant portion of the season, and if he tries to come back too soon, he could aggravate the injury. Hamstring injuries are notorious for developing into nagging/repeat complaints. Randy Moss, for example, suffered a hamstring injury during week 6 of 2004 while with the Vikings, which bothered him for several weeks that season, and his hamstring problems continued to plague him during his single year in Oakland during 2005.

Obviously, if the MRI shows a torn right ACL, his season is over for 2010.

 
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Mark Wimer said:
Randy Moss, for example, suffered a hamstring injury during week 6 of 2004 while with the Vikings, which bothered him for several weeks that season, and his hamstring problems continued to plague him during his single year in Oakland during 2005. Obviously, if the MRI shows a torn right ACL, his season is over for 2010.
Not arguing with the premise, but figure it should be noted that Randy was in Oakland for 2 seasons. True, he only accrued one season's worth of statistics ... but that's another story.
 
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Warhogs said:
For anyone speculating on a time frame for this. Could you state what you are basing this on? Are you a physician, a trainer, did your sister pull her hamstring in track and field? I would like to know you have some sort of expertise before seeing your estimate of time missed.
I've been writing the early Monday Injury report for Footballguys.com during most of the last decade, and I've literally seen thousands of injuries/surgeries etc and reported on the outcome(s) of these situations for that length of time. I also track offseason/training camp injuries on this board and have been doing so for the past five years or so. I've had many, many conversations/chats with medical doctors, sports therapists and others with medical expertise (including board members and our own Footballguy Dr. Jene Bramel), and have read extensively online and in medical journals/scientific publications regarding the various sorts of sports injuries that can be inflicted on players and the likely prognosis for a wide variety of injuries. How's that? While I am NOT a doctor, nurse, or therapist, I am a well-informed individual who has studied these issues for a long period of time.

Anyways, right now we don't have enough information, in my opinion, to state a definitive time-frame for Moreno's injury. However, there is enough information for informed speculation.

IF he has seriously torn the hamstring, then he would be out for a significant portion of the season, and if he tries to come back too soon, he could aggravate the injury. Hamstring injuries are notorious for developing into nagging/repeat complaints. Randy Moss, for example, suffered a hamstring injury during week 6 of 2004 while with the Vikings, which bothered him for several weeks that season, and his hamstring problems continued to plague him during his single year in Oakland during 2005.

Obviously, if the MRI shows a torn right ACL, his season is over for 2010.
Thanks for also including your base of knowledge. I just don't want to see this thread get out of hand with a bunch of people treating this as a season ending injury with no information. There is a lot of good information in this thread but if anyone is going to speculate it would be nice to know what level of expertise they have. It sound like a significant pull at this time and I'm sure we will all have a better idea after they determine if it is a tear and if so how badly torn.

 
Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter

 
JohnnyU said:
BlitzPickup said:
Maybe time to take a serious look at Toney Baker.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...f-l/#more-41773RB Toney Baker, North Carolina State

Why Baker is Overlooked: Baker was also a top high school prospect, but he had a major knee injury during his sophomore year. Complications from the surgery also caused Baker to miss his junior season. When Baker returned to the lineup as a senior, he gained a total of 1,128 yards from scrimmage with 9 touchdowns – not impressive enough for him to vault back into the collective conscience of talent evaluators.

Why Baker Has Promise: At just a shade under 5’10”, 235 pounds, Baker has the balance and strength to gain yardage after contact. Runners with this height-weight dimension are generally effective power runners at the pro level because they have a low center of gravity to power through hits. What also stands out is Baker’s patience on zone plays to press the hole and find the cutback, and his shiftiness on trap plays to get small in narrow creases. A good receiver out of the backfield, Baker’s size and talents are reminiscent of former N.F.L. starters Leroy Hoard and Gary Brown.

Bottom Line: Baker might be ignored during the draft because of the severity of his injury and a 40-yard dash time of 4.5 to 4.6 seconds. However, Baker ran this time at a weight of 235 pounds, 10 pounds more than his playing weight. Jamal Lewis, Willis McGahee and Frank Gore are all examples of runners who needed two full years to regain some of their pre-injury speed and quickness. If Baker can do the same, he has the conceptual skills, instincts and versatility to make a roster and eventually surprise.
Here is a response I posted in Matt's thread that had this blurb on Baker:
Love the Toney Baker support. :wolf:

I agree with the pros cited in the writeup. He is extremely strong... I believe his 27 reps in the bench press led all RBs at the combine. And his 37" vertical and 4.3 short shuttle were competitive with the other RBs at the combine. As for his 40 time, Rivals shows that coming out of high school (as a 5 star recruit), he ran 4.45, so perhaps he will get a bit faster as he further recovers from his injury and drops a few pounds... but he unofficially ran a 4.53 at N.C. State's pro day at 235 pounds.

Another aspect that is probably a bit underrated about Baker is his receiving ability. He had 28/355/3 receiving last season and averaged more than 10 yards per reception for his career (65/676).

I really hope he gets drafted and makes a roster. He has been through a lot, and most thought his career was ended by his knee injury in the 2007 opener. He won the ACC's 2009 Brian Piccolo Award, given annually since 1972 in memory of the late Brian Piccolo to the "most courageous" football player in the ACC.
 
That is so cool! Apparently, Josina can see into the future(it's still 3pm in Denver, so that's pretty neat that she knows what's going to happen tonight!)

Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm etSource: Josina Anderson on Twitter
 
Warhogs said:
For anyone speculating on a time frame for this. Could you state what you are basing this on? Are you a physician, a trainer, did your sister pull her hamstring in track and field? I would like to know you have some sort of expertise before seeing your estimate of time missed.
Physical Therapist, clinical emphasis on orthopedics.
 
That is so cool! Apparently, Josina can see into the future

(it's still 3pm in Denver, so that's pretty neat that she knows what's going to happen tonight!)

Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
My guess is the bolded part is some FF website's take and not Josina Anderson's.

ETA: Yep. Rotoworld

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=5163

 
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Please see the part that you didn't bold.

That is so cool! Apparently, Josina can see into the future

(it's still 3pm in Denver, so that's pretty neat that she knows what's going to happen tonight!)

Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
My guess is the bolded part is some FF website's take and not Josina Anderson's.

ETA: Yep. Rotoworld

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=5163
 
Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Has anyone on here been to Bronco's TC? Are the media/fans really close to the field? Because I find it highly unlikely that anyone could hear a hamstring "pop" unless they were within a few feet of Moreno (if they could even hear it from that distance). Why would a reporter put this in his/her write-up?ETA-Actually, I doubt anyone can hear a hamstring pop, except maybe the person suffering the injury, and even then, I would think it would be more of a feeling, and less of a sound.

 
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ETA-Actually, I doubt anyone can hear a hamstring pop, except maybe the person suffering the injury, and even then, I would think it would be more of a feeling, and less of a sound.
Not true. I had my dog by the collar and he jerked to the left as I went to the right and my hamstring popped and I heard it. It's a disgusting sound. As it turns out I only limped around for about two weeks and I was fine, but I'm not a finely tuned athlete either. I'm a broken down 51 year old man.
 
Pure Speculation -

I think that the best fit out there for this team right now is Edgerrin James. I dont think his career is over yet. He is a solid character guy and would not at all pose any sort of long term threat once Moreno comes back. Westbrook is a maybe as well but think they already have him in Buckhalter. I hope this is a short term injury, but I think guys like Westbrook, Jamal Lewis and James have to enter the equation. Of the 3, I like James all around game the best.

 
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Pure Speculation - I think that the best fit out there for this team right now is Edgerrin James. I dont think his career is over yet. He is a solid character guy and would not at all pose any sort of long term threat once Moreno comes back. Westbrook is a maybe as well but think they already have him in Buckhalter. I hope this is a short term injury, but I think guys like Westbrook, Jamal Lewis and James have to enter the equation. Of the 3, I like James all around game the best.
You think they already have Westbrook in Buckhalter? I think they already have James in Buckhalter. Westbrook is more of a contrast IMO.
 
Pure Speculation - I think that the best fit out there for this team right now is Edgerrin James. I dont think his career is over yet. He is a solid character guy and would not at all pose any sort of long term threat once Moreno comes back. Westbrook is a maybe as well but think they already have him in Buckhalter. I hope this is a short term injury, but I think guys like Westbrook, Jamal Lewis and James have to enter the equation. Of the 3, I like James all around game the best.
Edge is totally washed up. YPC of 2.7 last year when SEA gave up on him and cut him loose. No speed, no power, legs are gone. Hasn't had a YPC above 3.9 since 2005. Forget him.
 
Dumb question: If it's just strained, what caused the "popping" noise? :goodposting:

 
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Vic Lombardi of CBS 4 Denver reports that Knowshon Moreno has a "slight" tear of his right hamstring, and is out 2-3 weeks.The injury isn't severe enough for Moreno to drop down our fantasy rankings, but the 2-3 week timetable should be considered a best-case scenario for such an unpredictable injury. The Broncos certainly won't be rushing Moreno back. One positive for Moreno -- the injury won't cost him any projected carries. Correll Buckhalter is hurt too, and Denver's backs behind them lack talent.
Going down my rankings (where I already had him low enough that I wasn't getting him). For a guy that really lacked explosion last year (whether you want to blame it on the preseason injury last year or not is up to you), this isn't good. No question that 2-3 weeks is a best case scenario for returning to the field & IMO will hinder his already underwhelming explosiveness.
 
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Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Has anyone on here been to Bronco's TC? Are the media/fans really close to the field? Because I find it highly unlikely that anyone could hear a hamstring "pop" unless they were within a few feet of Moreno (if they could even hear it from that distance). Why would a reporter put this in his/her write-up?ETA-Actually, I doubt anyone can hear a hamstring pop, except maybe the person suffering the injury, and even then, I would think it would be more of a feeling, and less of a sound.
I was there today. Moreno actually was within 2 feet of several people and likely a few members of the media so if there was a sound to be heard, they likely would have been able to hear it. There are usually fans and media within 5 feet of the sidelines for the main field if not closer.
 
Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Has anyone on here been to Bronco's TC? Are the media/fans really close to the field? Because I find it highly unlikely that anyone could hear a hamstring "pop" unless they were within a few feet of Moreno (if they could even hear it from that distance). Why would a reporter put this in his/her write-up?ETA-Actually, I doubt anyone can hear a hamstring pop, except maybe the person suffering the injury, and even then, I would think it would be more of a feeling, and less of a sound.
I've been in the gym to hear tendons snap before. It's actually pretty laud.Early this year my buddy lost a pec and the sound was so laud that 75% of the gym heard it and stopped what they were doing.

 
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Vic Lombardi of CBS 4 Denver reports that Knowshon Moreno has a "slight" tear of his right hamstring, and is out 2-3 weeks.

The injury isn't severe enough for Moreno to drop down our fantasy rankings, but the 2-3 week timetable should be considered a best-case scenario for such an unpredictable injury. The Broncos certainly won't be rushing Moreno back. One positive for Moreno -- the injury won't cost him any projected carries. Correll Buckhalter is hurt too, and Denver's backs behind them lack talent.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx?rwr=1

As a Moreno owner this makes me feel much better

 
Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Has anyone on here been to Bronco's TC? Are the media/fans really close to the field? Because I find it highly unlikely that anyone could hear a hamstring "pop" unless they were within a few feet of Moreno (if they could even hear it from that distance). Why would a reporter put this in his/her write-up?ETA-Actually, I doubt anyone can hear a hamstring pop, except maybe the person suffering the injury, and even then, I would think it would be more of a feeling, and less of a sound.
I've been in the gym to hear tendons snap before. It's actually pretty load.Early this year my buddy lost a pec and the sound was so load that 75% of the gym heard it and stopped what they were doing.
Tendon ruptures are usually more audible due to the size and force placed through them; Achilles tendon ruptures are often described as sounding like a gunshot.
 
Report: Knowshon Moreno's hamstring not torn

FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report. Aug. 1 - 4:59 pm et

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Has anyone on here been to Bronco's TC? Are the media/fans really close to the field? Because I find it highly unlikely that anyone could hear a hamstring "pop" unless they were within a few feet of Moreno (if they could even hear it from that distance). Why would a reporter put this in his/her write-up?ETA-Actually, I doubt anyone can hear a hamstring pop, except maybe the person suffering the injury, and even then, I would think it would be more of a feeling, and less of a sound.
I've been in the gym to hear tendons snap before. It's actually pretty load.Early this year my buddy lost a pec and the sound was so load that 75% of the gym heard it and stopped what they were doing.
Tendon ruptures are usually more audible due to the size and force placed through them; Achilles tendon ruptures are often described as sounding like a gunshot.
Rupured my patellar tendon 4 weeks ago playing flag football and people 25 feet away heard it snap.
 
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Going down my rankings (where I already had him low enough that I wasn't getting him). For a guy that really lacked explosion last year (whether you want to blame it on the preseason injury last year or not is up to you), this isn't good. No question that 2-3 weeks is a best case scenario for returning to the field & IMO will hinder his already underwhelming explosiveness.
If you watched Moreno at all in college, you would know that he's not lacking in explosiveness at all. In fact, his explosive first step is his best attribute, as he's not going to win any 40-yard foot races most the time. He got to training camp late. He sprained his MCL very early on and never properly healed. He needed time to learn the playbook, and between the injury the NFL adjustment, he ran hesitantly. He's got like 30 games worth of college football going against SEC defenses littered with NFL talent, and the guy was amazing. Did you watch him run in preseason before the MCL injury? I did, and he looked explosive. After? Not so much. From someone who has watched him very closely since he was a Georgia Bulldog, don't make an opinion on him based on last year's results. As long as this hamstring doesn't cause any long-term problems this year, which it very well could, you're going to see a much more instinctive, explosive back than you saw last year. You don't get drafted #12 overall if you're a RB who lacks explosion.
 
A hamstring "strain" is actually a tear in the muscle tissue. What we usually refer to as a torn hamstring is really when the tendon attaching the muscle to the bone is no longer attached.

From personal experience, I can vouch that a strained hamstring will make a pop and will hurt a lot and can take quite a while to fully recover. Strains are graded 1-3, with 3 being the most severe. When I injured mine, I couldn't run full speed for months. But then again, young Mr. Moreno is in better shape than was this 40-something weekend warrior playing the annual Thanksgiving football game with family. Here's hoping he has a mild strain.

 
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I stand corrected about the sound.

I hope I never have to experience it first hand, though, (knock on wood).

Back to Moreno, if this really is only a 2-3 week injury, it could drive his ADP down, making him more of a value pick (if he recovers fully).

 
It could def be heard, as I tore mine in flag football during college and the guys around me heard it.

If its only 2-3 weeks he's lucky, but it remains to be seen if thats the case.

 
I think that the "pop" everyone heard was the sound of Westbrook getting whatever it he is looking for contract wise.

 
3 weeks my ### :yes:
:banned: If he takes a snap in August I'll be shocked.
The problem with these kinds of things is they don't just heal up and are fine after that. I'm guessing he'll be hindered at least somewhat all season. Ryan Grant was hampered by his hammy all season long in 2008 and it showed in his performance. Plus there's the significant risk of re-injuring it seriously now that it's been weakened, and going on the shelf for multiple games when they count. At this point I wouldn't touch Moreno until 20+ RBs are off the board. Just too much risk when you can find a healthy productive RB instead.
 
3 weeks my ### :lmao:
:goodposting: If he takes a snap in August I'll be shocked.
The problem with these kinds of things is they don't just heal up and are fine after that. I'm guessing he'll be hindered at least somewhat all season. Ryan Grant was hampered by his hammy all season long in 2008 and it showed in his performance. Plus there's the significant risk of re-injuring it seriously now that it's been weakened, and going on the shelf for multiple games when they count. At this point I wouldn't touch Moreno until 20+ RBs are off the board. Just too much risk when you can find a healthy productive RB instead.
Agreed. I remember there was one game where Grant could have taken a long run to the house but didn't turn on the jets because he was afraid of the effect on his hamstring and he was caught from behind. As a Grant owner at the time, it was frustrating.
 
3 weeks my ### :lmao:
:goodposting: If he takes a snap in August I'll be shocked.
The problem with these kinds of things is they don't just heal up and are fine after that. I'm guessing he'll be hindered at least somewhat all season. Ryan Grant was hampered by his hammy all season long in 2008 and it showed in his performance. Plus there's the significant risk of re-injuring it seriously now that it's been weakened, and going on the shelf for multiple games when they count. At this point I wouldn't touch Moreno until 20+ RBs are off the board. Just too much risk when you can find a healthy productive RB instead.
I just deleted him off my draft board. That team is terrible anyway, has no offensive weapons, and their best OLinemen is hurt too. Now add this injury and I honestly see no reason to select this guy.
 
This brings up one of the biggest frustrations in being an "analyst" on this kind of thing. Not only are we not doctors, I'm not sure being a doctor would be all that advantageous here because the potential time frame for recovery varies so greatly. Now as much as I would love the NFL to forcibly provide all of the players' medical records to the public :goodposting: , I realize that's not going to happen.

To that end, I have to think long and hard about whether Moreno will be on any of my rosters...and I was reasonably optimistic about him up until this injury. As others have said, this team -- on paper -- is a recipe for disaster and Moreno can't afford to be anything less than 100% and still produce against what I think will be a rather average to below average passing attack.

 
A hamstring "strain" is actually a tear in the muscle tissue. What we usually refer to as a torn hamstring is really when the tendon attaching the muscle to the bone is no longer attached. From personal experience, I can vouch that a strained hamstring will make a pop and will hurt a lot and can take quite a while to fully recover. Strains are graded 1-3, with 3 being the most severe. When I injured mine, I couldn't run full speed for months. But then again, young Mr. Moreno is in better shape than was this 40-something weekend warrior playing the annual Thanksgiving football game with family. Here's hoping he has a mild strain.
;) I am an athletic trainer, but only knowing what can be expected in a basic hamstring rehab protocol is totally different since every person's rehab is different in one form or another. Even the slightest pull is a tear in the muscle. When we see tear we think of a rupture. Tears in the muscle belly of the hamstring do heal faster than tears in the tendon because of the mass number of fibers in the muscle of an athlete compared to the tendon. The blood flow in the area, the number of fibers involved and swelling control are other factors involved in the estimated time of recovery. These are all things the media can not know unless they see the MRI and know what they are looking at. Generally speaking a well conditioned athlete has more muscle fibers, so a larger strain may not have the same % of muscle fibers involved in the muscle compared to your average Joe. Because there was a audible pop, we are probably looking at at least a grade 2 I would have to only assume. The progression of rehab will be to control swelling, monitor tenderness and strength levels, observe the gait progressing from walking to running again, gain good strength compared to the other leg then when he is about 90% or so, start testing his deceleration to a stop with cutting since the hamstring is the body's decelerator. If pushed to hard to come back the injury can linger because this muscle certainly will not be as strong as it was previously. I think the key is to know when he starts jogging on the sideline or how much strength he lost or when he starts strengthening up the muscle once again to get a better indication of the time he may miss. If he starts to cut and is hesitant, he is just not ready to be back out on the field.
 
A hamstring "strain" is actually a tear in the muscle tissue. What we usually refer to as a torn hamstring is really when the tendon attaching the muscle to the bone is no longer attached. From personal experience, I can vouch that a strained hamstring will make a pop and will hurt a lot and can take quite a while to fully recover. Strains are graded 1-3, with 3 being the most severe. When I injured mine, I couldn't run full speed for months. But then again, young Mr. Moreno is in better shape than was this 40-something weekend warrior playing the annual Thanksgiving football game with family. Here's hoping he has a mild strain.
:blackdot: I am an athletic trainer, but only knowing what can be expected in a basic hamstring rehab protocol is totally different since every person's rehab is different in one form or another. Even the slightest pull is a tear in the muscle. When we see tear we think of a rupture. Tears in the muscle belly of the hamstring do heal faster than tears in the tendon because of the mass number of fibers in the muscle of an athlete compared to the tendon. The blood flow in the area, the number of fibers involved and swelling control are other factors involved in the estimated time of recovery. These are all things the media can not know unless they see the MRI and know what they are looking at. Generally speaking a well conditioned athlete has more muscle fibers, so a larger strain may not have the same % of muscle fibers involved in the muscle compared to your average Joe. Because there was a audible pop, we are probably looking at at least a grade 2 I would have to only assume. The progression of rehab will be to control swelling, monitor tenderness and strength levels, observe the gait progressing from walking to running again, gain good strength compared to the other leg then when he is about 90% or so, start testing his deceleration to a stop with cutting since the hamstring is the body's decelerator. If pushed to hard to come back the injury can linger because this muscle certainly will not be as strong as it was previously. I think the key is to know when he starts jogging on the sideline or how much strength he lost or when he starts strengthening up the muscle once again to get a better indication of the time he may miss. If he starts to cut and is hesitant, he is just not ready to be back out on the field.
:lmao: Thanks ATC. Please post more.J
 
A hamstring "strain" is actually a tear in the muscle tissue. What we usually refer to as a torn hamstring is really when the tendon attaching the muscle to the bone is no longer attached. From personal experience, I can vouch that a strained hamstring will make a pop and will hurt a lot and can take quite a while to fully recover. Strains are graded 1-3, with 3 being the most severe. When I injured mine, I couldn't run full speed for months. But then again, young Mr. Moreno is in better shape than was this 40-something weekend warrior playing the annual Thanksgiving football game with family. Here's hoping he has a mild strain.
:blackdot: I am an athletic trainer, but only knowing what can be expected in a basic hamstring rehab protocol is totally different since every person's rehab is different in one form or another. Even the slightest pull is a tear in the muscle. When we see tear we think of a rupture. Tears in the muscle belly of the hamstring do heal faster than tears in the tendon because of the mass number of fibers in the muscle of an athlete compared to the tendon. The blood flow in the area, the number of fibers involved and swelling control are other factors involved in the estimated time of recovery. These are all things the media can not know unless they see the MRI and know what they are looking at. Generally speaking a well conditioned athlete has more muscle fibers, so a larger strain may not have the same % of muscle fibers involved in the muscle compared to your average Joe. Because there was a audible pop, we are probably looking at at least a grade 2 I would have to only assume. The progression of rehab will be to control swelling, monitor tenderness and strength levels, observe the gait progressing from walking to running again, gain good strength compared to the other leg then when he is about 90% or so, start testing his deceleration to a stop with cutting since the hamstring is the body's decelerator. If pushed to hard to come back the injury can linger because this muscle certainly will not be as strong as it was previously. I think the key is to know when he starts jogging on the sideline or how much strength he lost or when he starts strengthening up the muscle once again to get a better indication of the time he may miss. If he starts to cut and is hesitant, he is just not ready to be back out on the field.
This is excellent stuff, thanks very much for posting ATC :lmao:
 
A hamstring "strain" is actually a tear in the muscle tissue. What we usually refer to as a torn hamstring is really when the tendon attaching the muscle to the bone is no longer attached. From personal experience, I can vouch that a strained hamstring will make a pop and will hurt a lot and can take quite a while to fully recover. Strains are graded 1-3, with 3 being the most severe. When I injured mine, I couldn't run full speed for months. But then again, young Mr. Moreno is in better shape than was this 40-something weekend warrior playing the annual Thanksgiving football game with family. Here's hoping he has a mild strain.
:jawdrop: I am an athletic trainer, but only knowing what can be expected in a basic hamstring rehab protocol is totally different since every person's rehab is different in one form or another. Even the slightest pull is a tear in the muscle. When we see tear we think of a rupture. Tears in the muscle belly of the hamstring do heal faster than tears in the tendon because of the mass number of fibers in the muscle of an athlete compared to the tendon. The blood flow in the area, the number of fibers involved and swelling control are other factors involved in the estimated time of recovery. These are all things the media can not know unless they see the MRI and know what they are looking at. Generally speaking a well conditioned athlete has more muscle fibers, so a larger strain may not have the same % of muscle fibers involved in the muscle compared to your average Joe. Because there was a audible pop, we are probably looking at at least a grade 2 I would have to only assume. The progression of rehab will be to control swelling, monitor tenderness and strength levels, observe the gait progressing from walking to running again, gain good strength compared to the other leg then when he is about 90% or so, start testing his deceleration to a stop with cutting since the hamstring is the body's decelerator. If pushed to hard to come back the injury can linger because this muscle certainly will not be as strong as it was previously. I think the key is to know when he starts jogging on the sideline or how much strength he lost or when he starts strengthening up the muscle once again to get a better indication of the time he may miss. If he starts to cut and is hesitant, he is just not ready to be back out on the field.
This is excellent stuff, thanks very much for posting ATC :lmao:
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Alex P Keaton said:
Any chance that they trade for someone like Marshawn Lynch?
This is what I was thinking. I guess it would depend on the timeline for Moreno. But this team is not talented enough to play with a group of aged vets and/or unproven players at HB ala 2008.
 
Moreno wasn't that impressive last season...and now this. I would think his ranking should drop because of this. In my head, I'm thinking of Ryan Grant's down year he had because of a hamstring injury that lingered all season long.

 
I was really sorry to hear about this injury yesterday, as I was at least considering Moreno as my RB2 in one league.

I severely strained my hammy during intense soccer training while in high school. That was many years ago, and I don't recall now whether I heard any sort of pop or not. But it sidelined me for a good two months, and even when I was able to get back on the field, I was very hesitant for the next few weeks. I think this injury has to temper Moreno's projections and thus his draft position, as even if he's back for the first week, I can't imagine that he will be as effective as he would have been otherwise. Short of seeing him do well in a preseason game, I will probably now steer well clear of him in the drafts.

 
Choke said:
RB KOLBY SMITH: With Buckhalter and Moreno sidelined and expected to return within the coming weeks, the focus turns to the battle for the No. 3 running back slot, with Smith, Lance Ball, Bruce Hall and Toney Baker all set to receive repetitions. Sunday, the first-team work belonged to Smith, who distinguished himself with some power, bouncing off defenders and rarely going down. One play in particular showed Smith’s skill set: a run to the left side where Nate Jones met him square but couldn’t knock him to the ground.

Its early, but worth noting.

Ill drop it in the other thread also.
I am wondering if the MCL and Hammy injuries are on the same leg. Could a rush back on the MCL add a little more probability to a leg injury down the road? Hammy tend to linger and thus Moreno has no choice but to go down draft boards. Its too bad cuz there weren't too many guys with his high touch potential.

 

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