Knowshon Moreno (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

actually his numbers are better then DMCs over his first 2 seasons both real and pro rated

I didn't say anything about numbers.

 

[Boone22]

Interesting Blurb from Rotoworld...

Knowshon Moreno - RB - Broncos Offensive coordinator Mike McCoy says the Broncos will use an even timeshare in the backfield that could become a hot-hand situation if Knowshon Moreno or Willis McGahee plays well early in the game.

The Denver Post refers to the situation as "troubling news to fantasy football players everywhere." Said McCoy, "If someone is in there playing and they're on a roll, then they're going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they're going to come out. ... We're going to roll them." The good news for Moreno is that he's a much more effective runner than McGahee. Particularly in PPR leagues, we'd lean toward starting Moreno as an RB2 against Oakland. Source: Denver Post Sep 10 - 12:09 PM

 

[cubbie5150]

Interesting Blurb from Rotoworld...

Knowshon Moreno - RB - Broncos Offensive coordinator Mike McCoy says the Broncos will use an even timeshare in the backfield that could become a hot-hand situation if Knowshon Moreno or Willis McGahee plays well early in the game.

The Denver Post refers to the situation as "troubling news to fantasy football players everywhere." Said McCoy, "If someone is in there playing and they're on a roll, then they're going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they're going to come out. ... We're going to roll them." The good news for Moreno is that he's a much more effective runner than McGahee. Particularly in PPR leagues, we'd lean toward starting Moreno as an RB2 against Oakland. Source: Denver Post Sep 10 - 12:09 PM

Really???

 

[johnnyboy8102]

I am in a PPR and need to decide between Reggie Bush and Moreno for my 2nd RB spot (AP is my other).

I am having a hard time deciding after reading that blurb on rotoworld.

 

[travdogg]

Interesting Blurb from Rotoworld...

Knowshon Moreno - RB - Broncos Offensive coordinator Mike McCoy says the Broncos will use an even timeshare in the backfield that could become a hot-hand situation if Knowshon Moreno or Willis McGahee plays well early in the game.

The Denver Post refers to the situation as "troubling news to fantasy football players everywhere." Said McCoy, "If someone is in there playing and they're on a roll, then they're going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they're going to come out. ... We're going to roll them." The good news for Moreno is that he's a much more effective runner than McGahee. Particularly in PPR leagues, we'd lean toward starting Moreno as an RB2 against Oakland. Source: Denver Post Sep 10 - 12:09 PM

Really???

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

 

[SSOG]

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

And Moreno has proven himself to be so much better than an average RB in the NFL?

 

[moderated]

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

And Moreno has proven himself to be so much better than an average RB in the NFL?

At least morenos in his physical prime. What's better, a washed up 29 yr old average rb who was never good or an average 24 yr old rb?I'll take 24 yr old average over the 29 yr old average.Mcgahee has never been good after he blew his knee in college. He's a sub 4ypc career guy, he's not good and never has been in the NFL.

 

[Wadsworth]

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

And Moreno has proven himself to be so much better than an average RB in the NFL?

At least morenos in his physical prime. What's better, a washed up 29 yr old average rb who was never good or an average 24 yr old rb?I'll take 24 yr old average over the 29 yr old average.Mcgahee has never been good after he blew his knee in college. He's a sub 4ypc career guy, he's not good and never has been in the NFL.

3 TDs in 17 touches this preseason. Washed up, average, never good, whatever. If he is the TD vulture and can add even a little production in the passing game and change of pace roll he could have real fantasy value. How he is used this season and how effective he is at the job is much more important than his perceived skill level.

 

[RaiderBones]

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

And Moreno has proven himself to be so much better than an average RB in the NFL?

At least morenos in his physical prime. What's better, a washed up 29 yr old average rb who was never good or an average 24 yr old rb?I'll take 24 yr old average over the 29 yr old average.Mcgahee has never been good after he blew his knee in college. He's a sub 4ypc career guy, he's not good and never has been in the NFL.

3 TDs in 17 touches this preseason. Washed up, average, never good, whatever. If he is the TD vulture and can add even a little production in the passing game and change of pace roll he could have real fantasy value. How he is used this season and how effective he is at the job is much more important than his perceived skill level.

Still overated. The only way I see McGahee providing anything of significance to his fantasy owners is if Moreno fails miserably or if Moreno gets injured. Otherwise its a guessing game for which games McGahee will get his 2TD games and his big fat 0TD Games. Not something I want to be a part of.

 

[moderated]

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

And Moreno has proven himself to be so much better than an average RB in the NFL?

At least morenos in his physical prime. What's better, a washed up 29 yr old average rb who was never good or an average 24 yr old rb?I'll take 24 yr old average over the 29 yr old average.Mcgahee has never been good after he blew his knee in college. He's a sub 4ypc career guy, he's not good and never has been in the NFL.

3 TDs in 17 touches this preseason. Washed up, average, never good, whatever. If he is the TD vulture and can add even a little production in the passing game and change of pace roll he could have real fantasy value. How he is used this season and how effective he is at the job is much more important than his perceived skill level.

That's the point, his value is completely tied into td's. If he doesn't get a td in a game he will be useless. And talking about preseason, he averaged like 2ypc.I guess in td only leagues he could have some value. Even if Moreno gets hurt mcgahee will have to split the load, no team is going to give a guy who can't run the ball for over a couple yards a lot of carries.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Moreno - who plays for my home team - could be a consistent 5-yr 1200/9 back, but i dont think he will. The problem is that he needs to get to his one-cut to succeed and the Broncos interior line still gets pushed back like a Mormon in a moshpit. He has already learned some bad habits from dealing with this and another season of it will turn him into a Maroney-worthy kittyfooter. In addition, he's a rhythm runner & is rotated out too often to get there on that and Fox calls DWill plays for him when Knowshown hasnt the speed to string a play out like that. Denver solves their interior line probs and he moves up, but i saw no evidence of that in '11 exhib games.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Starting McGahee tomorrow with confidence in my 2nd flex

 

[Zaphod]

There's a huge difference between Darren McFadden last year and Knowshon Moreno this year. Going into last year, McFadden had 217 career carries. Moreno had more than that just in his first season (247), and has double that total through two years (429). Moreno also has nearly double the number of starts. Moreno spent his rookie year getting wildly outperformed by a 31 year old Correll Buckhalter, while McFadden spent his rookie putting identical production to Bush. In other words, after 2 years, Darren McFadden's grade was an "incomplete"- we hadn't seen enough to draw sweeping conclusions. That's not the case with Moreno- we have far more evidence in, so we're much safer in saying he is what he's shown to date. And this isn't a case where, now that I have the benefit of hindsight, I'm saying "wow, we should have known it was too early to give up on McFadden". To quote myself from October 2009: "Trade for Darren McFadden. Now. Yes, the Raiders are a mess, and he's been a huge disappointment so far this year. I don't care."

A year and a half ago, there was still reason to believe that Darren McFadden could be a high-caliber RB in the NFL. Today, I'm not convinced that there's any reason to hold out a similar hope for Moreno. I didn't like his talent coming into the league, and all he's done since then is reinforce that opinion- he's slow, he has no burst, and he lost the creativity that made him so interesting to watch in college. Plus he has a complete and total lack of big plays on his resume- which is fine if you're Jerome Bettis, but Knowshon Moreno is no Jerome Bettis.

Now, I'm not much of a McGahee fan, either (that's putting it mildly- I've called him a "garbage RB" before), so I'm not convinced he's going to take the job and run away with it, either. I really don't think there's much value anywhere in the Denver backfield. What little value there is, however, probably resides more with McGahee, who is a much better fit for the scheme and is, in my opinion, a better NFL runner.

Sorry to bring this up but I will never forget your Ron Dayne campaign ... so based on your track record with Denver RBs I am now very high on Knowshon.

I don't mean this to sound as harsh as it's going to, but this is a useless post. Ron Dayne? Seriously? No one is right all the time or even 50% of the time. This guy certainly doesn't need me defending him, but come on. He gives his opinion and then backs it up with insight and statistics. You don't have to agree with him, but at least add some value to the thread, and bringing up several year old unrelated material doesn't count.Back to the thread - I have been on the side that Moreno was never going to be the back so many thought we would. But the hype coming out of camp has been mostly positive and intriguing. Especially considering where you could get him in the draft. I wasn't able to get past my negative perception on him, but applaud those willing to make a stand.

 

[LawFitz]

How is 29 yr old McGahee compared to prime Stephen Davis?

 

[Snickers]

I think both backs were good values this year. I'm not sure why a RBBC in Denver should be a surprise to people. The vast majority of teams in the NFL rotate multiple backs these days and certainly Fox has that history. I drafted Moreno because I thought there is a lot of upside and nothing I've read on rotowire has changed my mind. Frankly, I'd probably be more concerned if the word out of Denver was that Fox was going to use Moreno as a workhorse because I'm not sue he would hold up all season.

 

[Boone22]

Moreno is a FAR more effective runner than McGahee, so are half the RB's in the NFL. Its amazing the reputation McGahee has. He's never been anything more than an average RB since his college knee injury, now he's a borderline washed-up version of that average RB.

And Moreno has proven himself to be so much better than an average RB in the NFL?

At least morenos in his physical prime. What's better, a washed up 29 yr old average rb who was never good or an average 24 yr old rb?I'll take 24 yr old average over the 29 yr old average.Mcgahee has never been good after he blew his knee in college. He's a sub 4ypc career guy, he's not good and never has been in the NFL.

I don't know. I don't see a lot of difference between these two stat lines...Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 1,541 6,167 4.0 77 55 164 1,047 6.4 56 4 19 14 (7 seasons) 429 1,726 4.0 36 12 65 585 9.0 45 5 7 6 (2 seasons)Both average 4 ypc, Moreno has a better ypr but McGahee fumbles less

 

[Sabertooth]

Moreno just lacks burst and power. He was made to look awful by career backup Correll Buckhalter.

Now, one thing that saves him some is his ability to catch the ball. Also, he seems to have pretty good vision which can overcome a lot. But he lacks power and burst. He reminds me of a guy like Edgar Bennett. Who was a good football player, but just didn't have anything special about him.

 

[Sabertooth]

Moreno just lacks burst and power. He was made to look awful by career backup Correll Buckhalter.

Now, one thing that saves him some is his ability to catch the ball. Also, he seems to have pretty good vision which can overcome a lot. But he lacks power and burst. He reminds me of a guy like Edgar Bennett. Who was a good football player, but just didn't have anything special about him.

 

[theprince]

Moreno - who plays for my home team - could be a consistent 5-yr 1200/9 back, but i dont think he will. The problem is that he needs to get to his one-cut to succeed and the Broncos interior line still gets pushed back like a Mormon in a moshpit. He has already learned some bad habits from dealing with this and another season of it will turn him into a Maroney-worthy kittyfooter. In addition, he's a rhythm runner & is rotated out too often to get there on that and Fox calls DWill plays for him when Knowshown hasnt the speed to string a play out like that. Denver solves their interior line probs and he moves up, but i saw no evidence of that in '11 exhib games.

Of all the Moreno talk, this bit of homer info has me most concerned. It's not Moreno against McGahee. I think it's fair that none of us wants Willis as RB1/RB2/RB3. What we want to know is will Moreno outplay his RB2/3 ADP.

 

[whodeywhodey]

This thread has an awful lot of opinion and assumption.

There are a lot of variables at play here that weren't there last season or really any season in Moreno's past.

 

[Snickers]

This thread has an awful lot of opinion and assumption.There are a lot of variables at play here that weren't there last season or really any season in Moreno's past.

And that makes this thread different how?

 

[DoubleG]

This thread has an awful lot of opinion and assumption.There are a lot of variables at play here that weren't there last season or really any season in Moreno's past.

And that makes this thread different how?

I think the point here is that with a new coach, and a new RB to share the laod with, until we see at least a game or two, most of us are just opining on how the load will be split, who will be in in what situations, etc.I had Moreno starting in place of Mendy (vs. Balt) earlier this week. I switched back to Mendy - and will likely have Moreno sitting until we have a clearer picture (based on actual usage in real games) as to how Fox is going to use his RB rotation. If he uses Moreno/McGahee the same way as he did DWill/Stewart, then there is very little value at the Denver RB spot - as neither is as talented as the Carolina backs. However, if leans more heavily on either, that RB will definately outperform their respective ADP - whichever it is.With many other RBs it's a little easier to extrapolate as very few have new coaches, new offenses and an entirely new backfield.

 

[Clifford]

Broncos planning Moreno-McGahee rotation

Offensive coordinator Mike McCoy says the Broncos will use an even timeshare in the backfield that could become a hot-hand situation if Knowshon Moreno or Willis McGahee plays well early in the game.

The Denver Post refers to the situation as "troubling news to fantasy football players everywhere." Said McCoy, "If someone is in there playing and they're on a roll, then they're going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they're going to come out. ... We're going to roll them." The good news for Moreno is that he's a much more effective runner than McGahee. Particularly in PPR leagues, we'd lean toward starting Moreno as an RB2 against Oakland.

whoops... not such a great grab in the sixth if true.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Broncos planning Moreno-McGahee rotationOffensive coordinator Mike McCoy says the Broncos will use an even timeshare in the backfield that could become a hot-hand situation if Knowshon Moreno or Willis McGahee plays well early in the game.The Denver Post refers to the situation as "troubling news to fantasy football players everywhere." Said McCoy, "If someone is in there playing and they're on a roll, then they're going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they're going to come out. ... We're going to roll them." The good news for Moreno is that he's a much more effective runner than McGahee. Particularly in PPR leagues, we'd lean toward starting Moreno as an RB2 against Oakland. whoops... not such a great grab in the sixth if true.

See post #52. Old news.

 

[moderated]

This guy sucks.

 

[EBF]

As much as I've never liked McFadden, at least he has elite speed.

No-show, on the other hand, doesn't have any special traits. Not very big. Not very fast.

I thought he had a chance to be an average NFL starter. Woops. Glad I bailed on him before last season.

 

[Dought Man]

Noshow Moreno just doesn't do a heck of a lot right... he's a perfect Bronco.

 

[flapgreen]

4 yards and a fumble.

 

[Stealthycat]

and he has so many open lanes to run through ........ Bronco's OL has given Moreno and McGahee zero chances, OAK aint a bad run defense either

but the stat line SUCKS

 

[DoubleG]

4 yards and a fumble.

McGahee has 0 yards on 2 carries. Someone might want to tell the Denver O-line to run block every now and then

 

[Eviloutsider]

Someone is going to be getting dumpoffs this game.

 

[Gopher State]

riding the pine go knowshon

 

[moderated]

When a rb as bad as mcgahee looks better something is wrong.

Who's the #3 rb in Denver? With Moreno and mcgahee 2 of the worst rb's in the NFL the #3 could end up the starter eventually.

 

[flapgreen]

4 yards and a fumble.

McGahee has 0 yards on 2 carries. Someone might want to tell the Denver O-line to run block every now and then

I don't want them to. My opponent has Moreno in his flex and I'm only up by 2.

 

[AYBABTUS]

Feeling much better about trading Moreno and Lynch for Gore in the off season after this weekend!

 

[flapgreen]

Denver really sucks.

 

[DoubleG]

See? We spoke to soon. With that last 9 yard carry he boosted his YPC to over 2!!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

 

[Smack Tripper]

No burst and no power. What good is he.

Maybe McGhee is going to get one of those Stephen Davis on Carolina type renaisance first halves(until HE gets hurt or wears down). There are opportunities here the way these wides can stretch the field.

 

[cmv5]

I have never seen a running back slip as often as Moreno does.

 

[flapgreen]

 

[DoubleG]

You know what they say - "Be winning by more than 2" I lost tonight too - it happens. Oh well, 12-1 is still pretty good.

 

[Kenny Powers]

[nessler] Well if you cant do it on the ground, at least you can catch passes {/nessler]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Bad O line play, bad rb play, and bad QB play.

I am sick of seeing Orton.

 

[flapgreen]

You know what they say - "Be winning by more than 2" I lost tonight too - it happens. Oh well, 12-1 is still pretty good.

Yes. Had Foster and Jackson as my top 2, and it didn't work out. bummer. maybe next time.

 

[DWI]

Looked like Knowshon hurt his knee.

 

[flapgreen]

Looked like Knowshon hurt his knee.

loo tale for me. :(

 

[Garts]

Knowgain Moreno

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

You know what they say - "Be winning by more than 2" I lost tonight too - it happens. Oh well, 12-1 is still pretty good.

Yes. Had Foster and Jackson as my top 2, and it didn't work out. bummer. maybe next time.

Whenever I see the word bummer now I think of this for some reasonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3y5lmtZ1Cw

 

[qimqam]

CBS Sportsline reporting MRI today on Moreno's Hamstring