KOD - Mike Nugent (1 Viewer)

[Mike Herman]

The Mike Nugent watch is officially on. Concerned about Nugent's awful performance in the opener, the Jets auditioned three free-agent kickers yesterday, the Daily News has learned. The biggest name is six-year veteran Paul Edinger, who made 25 of 34 field goals last season for the Vikings. Journeyman Owen Pochman, a former Giant, and Tyler Jones, a Redskins castoff, also worked out.

Clearly, Mangini is compiling a short list of possible replacements. If Nugent continues to struggle, he could have company on the roster. Because of salary-cap implications, Nugent, a second-round pick in 2005, probably wouldn't be released. But he could be sent to the bench. Nugent missed two chip-shot field goals and an extra point in the Jets' 23-16 win over the Titans.

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[BigRed]

The Mike Nugent watch is officially on. Concerned about Nugent's awful performance in the opener, the Jets auditioned three free-agent kickers yesterday, the Daily News has learned. The biggest name is six-year veteran Paul Edinger, who made 25 of 34 field goals last season for the Vikings. Journeyman Owen Pochman, a former Giant, and Tyler Jones, a Redskins castoff, also worked out.

Clearly, Mangini is compiling a short list of possible replacements. If Nugent continues to struggle, he could have company on the roster. Because of salary-cap implications, Nugent, a second-round pick in 2005, probably wouldn't be released. But he could be sent to the bench. Nugent missed two chip-shot field goals and an extra point in the Jets' 23-16 win over the Titans.

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Good thing they spent their first pick on him the other year

 

[jcjets]

First a kicker, then they trade a second round pick to the Radiers for a TE they were probably going to cut.

Brilliant!

Talk about bad management. Now it will take 3 years to get out of that hole.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Man, if I'm the Redskins I jump all over Nugent. Send a 7th round pick for him...whatever to get somebody better than John Hall.

Heck, I'd go get Edinger off FA. Can't believe the Skins can live with Hall's 40 yard kickoffs.

 

[Maulers]

Nugent will be a kicker in the NFL longer than the front office for the Jets will be employed by the Jets.

Craziness.

 

[-OZ-]

Nugent will be a kicker in the NFL longer than the front office for the Jets will be employed by the Jets.Craziness.

I know he's struggling right now, but this short term perspective in a long term building process is assinine.

 

[Big Score]

Nugent will be a kicker in the NFL longer than the front office for the Jets will be employed by the Jets.Craziness.

If I'm not mistaken, the particular Front Office group responsible for some of the teams previous suspect moves, has already been replaced. A Jets fan can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[redman]

Man, if I'm the Redskins I jump all over Nugent. Send a 7th round pick for him...whatever to get somebody better than John Hall.Heck, I'd go get Edinger off FA. Can't believe the Skins can live with Hall's 40 yard kickoffs.

(though I thought that they had Frost doing the kickoffs - did I have that wrong?)

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Man, if I'm the Redskins I jump all over Nugent. Send a 7th round pick for him...whatever to get somebody better than John Hall.

I don't think the Redskins want any more Jets kickers.

 

[Kiddnets]

First a kicker, then they trade a second round pick to the Radiers for a TE they were probably going to cut.Brilliant!Talk about bad management. Now it will take 3 years to get out of that hole.

That entire trade was a train wreck - but to get it right it - the JEts did not give up a 1st or 2nd rder for Jolley - they moved down from a late 1st rder to an early 2nd rder. It equated to something like a 4th rder for Jolley. Still awfulAs for Nuge - as a former placekicker I can tell you that once the missing is in your head (as he admitted to) - it is really tough to dig out of it. It happend to me and I was hitting the cheerleaders with kicks on the sidelines! I can't believe it happend to a guy I watched bang in a 50 yd game winner in the snow in front of 70,000+ with ease. He looks scared to death out there - shows the difference of the NFL to even big time college football.

 

[redman]

First a kicker, then they trade a second round pick to the Radiers for a TE they were probably going to cut.Brilliant!Talk about bad management. Now it will take 3 years to get out of that hole.

That entire trade was a train wreck - but to get it right it - the JEts did not give up a 1st or 2nd rder for Jolley - they moved down from a late 1st rder to an early 2nd rder. It equated to something like a 4th rder for Jolley. Still awfulAs for Nuge - as a former placekicker I can tell you that once the missing is in your head (as he admitted to) - it is really tough to dig out of it. It happend to me and I was hitting the cheerleaders with kicks on the sidelines! I can't believe it happend to a guy I watched bang in a 50 yd game winner in the snow in front of 70,000+ with ease. He looks scared to death out there - shows the difference of the NFL to even big time college football.

That's also a tough city to be in. The media and fan scrutiny is brutal.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?

Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

 

[sheerterror]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Are the Jets competing with the Islanders to be be the "Worst Sports Franchise in New York"?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Wasn't Neil Rackers highly drafted by the Bengals? How's he working out for Arizona?

Drafted kickers should be given a little more patience than a FA

 

[Chase Stuart]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

There's nothing to pick up -- the game is over. He didn't look like a scared kid to me, of course he is a young kicker so compared to most NFL players that might be true. He was accountable in his post-game press conference, is a tremendous athlete and was the captain of the Ohio State football team. He's not scared of kicking field goals.

 

[Z-Dog]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

There's nothing to pick up -- the game is over. He didn't look like a scared kid to me, of course he is a young kicker so compared to most NFL players that might be true. He was accountable in his post-game press conference, is a tremendous athlete and was the captain of the Ohio State football team. He's not scared of kicking field goals.

I didn't think he looked scared either, but he had a dreadful game. The Jets were smart to bring in other kickers to take a look at them. You have to do that work so that if you need to make a change you have a list of guys to go to. That said, cutting Nugent is extremely unlikely - he's a 2nd round pick, so cutting him is like a $600k cap hit right now, and fer cryin' out loud, he's a veteran of all of 17 games! If Justin Miller had given up two TDs he would have been in the doghouse, but nobody would have talked about cutting him. Nugent obviously needs to fix whatever is wrong, but he's not on the bubble.

 

[sheerterror]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

If he had cost us the game, which he very well could have, then this would be a major, major issue. As it stands now, the score should have been 30-14. What makes it all the more baffling is how solid and accurate of a kicker he was at OSU, we've yet to see him kick with that confidence at the pro level. He better pick it up - as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Man, if I'm the Redskins I jump all over Nugent. Send a 7th round pick for him...whatever to get somebody better than John Hall.Heck, I'd go get Edinger off FA. Can't believe the Skins can live with Hall's 40 yard kickoffs.

(though I thought that they had Frost doing the kickoffs - did I have that wrong?)

Either way...The kickoffs land about the 20. Frost's punts top out at 35 yards. Hall can't connect from past 38 yards.Can't they find some guy from Manchester United that has a spare weekend

 

[NYCGangGreen]

As a lifelong JETS fan, i can say we have had a hard time filling both the TE position and Kickers in years past. As bad as John Hall was, he was probably the last kicker i had some faith in..before he started his steady decline when we traded him.

But the sour memory of Doug Brien is way to fresh in my mind and seeing Nugent, a kid coming out of OSU who looked like Vinatieri with a monster leg, start to falter is a scary memory.

And yes the Jets may not be major contenders this year ( I however see them as a quiet sneaky team) they do not need to have a kicker in a year where every win is a major victory to almost give games away from missing PAT's and chip shot field goals.

Im sure it is a stressful job to kick, but for Christ sakes........do your damn job!!!!

If he continues to struggle, i say throw his #### on the practice squad until he grows a pair of balls and can play with the men of the NFL, not the boys club of NCAA.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Are the Jets competing with the Islanders to be be the "Worst Sports Franchise in New York"?

Knickerbockers down?

 

[NoFBinLA]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Sure, that should help. I never liked the pick -- and I thought Brien got the short end of the stick as Herm and his staff screwed around and left him with a longer than should have been attempt, rather than trying to get to within better field goal range.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Sure, that should help. I never liked the pick -- and I thought Brien got the short end of the stick as Herm and his staff screwed around and left him with a longer than should have been attempt, rather than trying to get to within better field goal range.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

For which one of the 3 that chump missed. Gimme a break, Brien threw away the JETS chances that year.....miss 1, OK it happens, but to miss 2 more.....ARE YOU F"ING KIDDING ME. I have never been more sick to my stomach than on that day from watching a sporting event.

I hope that guy gets all he deserves and more....I hope he gets lost in the backwoods down south and gets slaughtered by the Devils Rejects!

 

[NoFBinLA]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Sure, that should help. I never liked the pick -- and I thought Brien got the short end of the stick as Herm and his staff screwed around and left him with a longer than should have been attempt, rather than trying to get to within better field goal range.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

For which one of the 3 that chump missed. Gimme a break, Brien threw away the JETS chances that year.....miss 1, OK it happens, but to miss 2 more.....ARE YOU F"ING KIDDING ME. I have never been more sick to my stomach than on that day from watching a sporting event.

I hope that guy gets all he deserves and more....I hope he gets lost in the backwoods down south and gets slaughtered by the Devils Rejects!

From how far were those three? Any idea.? Off hand I don't know, but I remember that last one being longer than the attempt should have been -- plus Herm and his crew screwed up time management as well.Brein wasn't the only reason they lost the last playoff game.

 

[brednbuddah]

Nugent will be a kicker in the NFL longer than the front office for the Jets will be employed by the Jets.Craziness.

If I'm not mistaken, the particular Front Office group responsible for some of the teams previous suspect moves, has already been replaced. A Jets fan can correct me if I'm wrong.

you are correct. the previous management was also responsible for TE Jolley.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Are the Jets competing with the Islanders to be be the "Worst Sports Franchise in New York"?

Knickerbockers down?

soon to be replaced by the Isles

 

[Z-Dog]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

A minor hijack -It takes most rookies time to progress and become consistent, whether they are taken in the 2nd round or even in the first round. And it's not like you get to skip that passage if you sign a UFA kicker - pretty much the only way around it is to sign a veteran kicker. But the best ones are very expensive, and the only other ones who are available are, well, available for a reason. Just as obviously, not everyone can sign a veteran kicker - there's a limited number of them.Just looking at the 2005 draft, there's no obvious player who jumps out at me in the rest of the 2nd round as being such a quick adjuster to the NFL. While some guys jump into the NFL with a smooth transition, most players need to develop. Nate Kaeding, another recent K draft pick, missed a playoff-game-winning FG against the NYJ. In his first year, Janikowski was 22-32, worse than Nugent's 22-28 last year, and he bettered Nugent's rookie season by only one FG the next year, going 23-28.Adam Vinatieri had a worse rookie season than Nugent (77% to 79%) also.

 

[Mole]

Are the Jets competing with the Islanders to be be the "Worst Sports Franchise in New York"?

Please See: New York KnicksThis might be a slight boost for the Jets Offense, 3rd and 1 from the 28yrd line, does Mangini go for it now 6/10 times becuase Nugent may be struggling? Either way I hope Nuge can turn it around.

 

[Rovers]

Are the Jets competing with the Islanders to be be the "Worst Sports Franchise in New York"?

Knickerbockers down?

soon to be replaced by the Isles

Silly comment about the "worst franchise" bait.... You might want to put the Rangers well under the Jets, along with the Ilses and Knicks. If Nugent has anything near the game he had on Sunday this week too, they will have to pull him. He isn't TS elligable, but the Jets HAD to look at kickers this week. Due dilligence. The comment about his KO's landing at twenty the is flatly incorrect, although in the second half of last year he did struggle with distance for an as yet unexplained reason. He usually gets it to the five, but with very good hang times, which leads to favorable field position... and THAT is what kickoffs are ALL about... field position. Nugent was known as a tough kid mentally, able to bounce back. Now we'll see how true that assessment was.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Booing and wanting your team to win is counter-intuitive.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

There's nothing to pick up -- the game is over. He didn't look like a scared kid to me, of course he is a young kicker so compared to most NFL players that might be true. He was accountable in his post-game press conference, is a tremendous athlete and was the captain of the Ohio State football team. He's not scared of kicking field goals.

There's nothing to pick up? I'm not calling for his immediate release but if you're not concerned yet that Nugent had a terrible game, you should be.I don't care if he was accountable, I don't care what he did in college. I do care if he splits the uprights in the NFL. He's got some work to do.

 

[sheerterror]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Sure, that should help. I never liked the pick -- and I thought Brien got the short end of the stick as Herm and his staff screwed around and left him with a longer than should have been attempt, rather than trying to get to within better field goal range.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

Oh, please. First, I'll be among the thousands of rabid New York fans that will be calling for his head if there's another bad miss. Second, this guy's a professional athlete who's been touted as clutch, unphased by pressure and having ice water in his veins. I've yet to see that. If he can't do his damn job, and by that, I mean kick a friggen' PAT, then he deserves what fans have in store for him, plain and simple. If the fans booing him is going to make him fold even more, then who knows, maybe he really isn't cut out for the NFL level. And this isn't close to an A-Rod situation, this is simply fans being mad at the fact that this guy has one job, to kick the ball, and if he can't do that efficiently, then we need to find someone that can, before it starts costing us games. You guys would be singing a different tune if we lost last Sunday in overtime because of a missed PAT.

 

[sheerterror]

Overblown story. Nugent made nearly all of his FGs in the second half of last year. He had one really bad game, which happens to tons of kickers, and people lose faith?Nugent will turn it around soon enough. The most important thing is that it didn't cost the Jets any games.

But he almost did Chase. Forget about the missed field goals, if Nugent just did his damn job and knocked in the extra point, it's 17-0 Jets, not 16-0; Tenn doesn't go for those 2 2-point conversions and it's now a 17-14 game, not 16-16. I have ZERO confidence in him when he is kicking the ball, whether it's a 35 yard field goal or just an extra point, he never bangs em through the uprights with force and accuracy, even his extra points look to just barely make it in there much of the time. If he turns in another poor performance this Sunday it may be the last we'll see of him this season.

But he didn't cost the team the game. It's water under the bridge at this point.I don't expect him to have another poor performance on Sunday.

It's irrelevant whether his performance cost them the game or not because he had nothing to do with them winning. He was terrible, the rest of the team won in spite of his performance. You can't judge his performance based on whether the team picked him up or not.That being said, I do think it's an overreaction to call for his release right now. However, he needs to pick it up fast.

Of course I'm not judging his performance that way. He stunk. But I don't really care, since the team won. But show me any veteran kicker who hasn't missed consecutive field goals in the NFL? It happens. If Nugent's an 85% field goal kicker from those distances, then there's a 2% chance that he'd miss those two kicks in a game. Not very likely, of course, but over the course of a career it's bound to happen.

I'm happy we won but I care about this game because I'm scared of his future performance. Missing consecutive FGs is one thing. Missing a PAT and two gimme FGs in the 30-35 yard range while looking like a scared kid is quite another. He's got to pick it up - I hope he can. That's why it's not water under the bridge.

I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Booing and wanting your team to win is counter-intuitive.

Disagree - when I'm booing the entire team, and not the kicker who is more likely at this point in time to lose us the game rather than win it, then it becomes counter-intuitive....whatever that's supposed to mean.

 

[mhrutkowski]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Sure, that should help. I never liked the pick -- and I thought Brien got the short end of the stick as Herm and his staff screwed around and left him with a longer than should have been attempt, rather than trying to get to within better field goal range.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

Oh, please. First, I'll be among the thousands of rabid New York fans that will be calling for his head if there's another bad miss. Second, this guy's a professional athlete who's been touted as clutch, unphased by pressure and having ice water in his veins. I've yet to see that. If he can't do his damn job, and by that, I mean kick a friggen' PAT, then he deserves what fans have in store for him, plain and simple. If the fans booing him is going to make him fold even more, then who knows, maybe he really isn't cut out for the NFL level. And this isn't close to an A-Rod situation, this is simply fans being mad at the fact that this guy has one job, to kick the ball, and if he can't do that efficiently, then we need to find someone that can, before it starts costing us games. You guys would be singing a different tune if we lost last Sunday in overtime because of a missed PAT.

Nugent needs to get his act together... fast. I agree with that.However, if Jets wins are your top priority, it would be illogical to boo for lack of execution. Lack of effort? Fine, but not lack of execution. All booing does is bring down the player.

Do I feel bad for highly paid athletes? No. Do you have the right to boo? Sure. But don't ever tell me that your top priority is a Jets win.

 

[CalBear]

I think taking Nugent is the second round was a prime example of the old saying, "If you start letting the fans make the decisions, you'll soon be sitting with them."

 

[NoFBinLA]

- as it stands right now, I'll be booing him like it's going out of style this Sunday at the home opener.

Sure, that should help. I never liked the pick -- and I thought Brien got the short end of the stick as Herm and his staff screwed around and left him with a longer than should have been attempt, rather than trying to get to within better field goal range.

Regardless, Nugent is going to take some time to progress and become consistent (which is why taking kickers in the 2nd round is questionable IMO) and should be given that chance.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

Oh, please. First, I'll be among the thousands of rabid New York fans that will be calling for his head if there's another bad miss. Second, this guy's a professional athlete who's been touted as clutch, unphased by pressure and having ice water in his veins. I've yet to see that. If he can't do his damn job, and by that, I mean kick a friggen' PAT, then he deserves what fans have in store for him, plain and simple. If the fans booing him is going to make him fold even more, then who knows, maybe he really isn't cut out for the NFL level. And this isn't close to an A-Rod situation, this is simply fans being mad at the fact that this guy has one job, to kick the ball, and if he can't do that efficiently, then we need to find someone that can, before it starts costing us games. You guys would be singing a different tune if we lost last Sunday in overtime because of a missed PAT.

Which is why I said this in the post you were responding to.

If they had lost that game, I might have sung a different tune. As it stands they didn't -- but like many others, I am concerned and want to see him right the ship before he does cost the team a game.

 

[sheerterror]

Much of my response was in regards to the booing issue, NoFBinLA.

And mhrutkowski, please don't act like you know me, or know what my priorities are with this team. If I didn't care about the Jets and didn't want to see them win, I wouldn't be investing my time or my money into seeing them play live numerous times this season. My frustration and response to a player not performing properly has absolutely nothing to do with my loyalty to this team - just ask the thousands and thousands of Yankee fans who have booed A-Rod throughout this season.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Much of my response was in regards to the booing issue, NoFBinLA. And mhrutkowski, please don't act like you know me, or know what my priorities are with this team. If I didn't care about the Jets and didn't want to see them win, I wouldn't be investing my time or my money into seeing them play live numerous times this season. My frustration and response to a player not performing properly has absolutely nothing to do with my loyalty to this team - just ask the thousands and thousands of Yankee fans who have booed A-Rod throughout this season.

I never said you didn't care about the Jets. I said your selfish desire to boo took priority over the Jets winning.

 

[cstu]

Wasn't the reason the Jets drafted Nugent because their kicker missed a lot of kicks in the playoffs in 2004, notably against the Chargers? The same game in which the Chargers young kicker missed some crucial kicks that would have won the game - yet they didn't go out and try to replace him. Now Kaeding is kicking the ball well and hasn't missed a kick under 40 yards.

 

[sheerterror]

That's just false. Under this assumption, anytime a fan of any team boos a player because of frustration with their performance, they no longer have a desire to win? How exactly is it that voicing frustration with a player's lack of execution or performance 1) is a "selfish desire" and 2) puts winning in the backseat? I think you're reading a little too deeply into this, so let's just stop this lame attempt of a guilt trip because I feel the need to voice my disatisfaction with some of the Jets' personnel, and therefore don't hold winning as the highest priority.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Wasn't the reason the Jets drafted Nugent because their kicker missed a lot of kicks in the playoffs in 2004, notably against the Chargers? The same game in which the Chargers young kicker missed some crucial kicks that would have won the game - yet they didn't go out and try to replace him. Now Kaeding is kicking the ball well and hasn't missed a kick under 40 yards.

most notably against the Steelers but you make a good point. I'm not sure if good kickers have a track record of being good right out of the gate after being drafted but it sounds like they need a little patience

 

[mhrutkowski]

That's just false. Under this assumption, anytime a fan of any team boos a player because of frustration with their performance, they no longer have a desire to win? How exactly is it that voicing frustration with a player's lack of execution or performance 1) is a "selfish desire" and 2) puts winning in the backseat? I think you're reading a little too deeply into this, so let's just stop this lame attempt of a guilt trip because I feel the need to voice my disatisfaction with some of the Jets' personnel, and therefore don't hold winning as the highest priority.

That's not what I said.Let's break it down. Booing for lack of execution clearly doesn't help your team win. In many cases, it hurts your team's chances of winning.You have two options and only one can take top priority: boo because you want to ornot negatively affect your team's play

 

[sheerterror]

Wasn't the reason the Jets drafted Nugent because their kicker missed a lot of kicks in the playoffs in 2004, notably against the Chargers? The same game in which the Chargers young kicker missed some crucial kicks that would have won the game - yet they didn't go out and try to replace him. Now Kaeding is kicking the ball well and hasn't missed a kick under 40 yards.

No one's really saying that Nugent won't become a good kicker...but the fact is he's extremely shaky, and given the Jets' experiences with Brien losing them a playoff game, he's probably on a much shorter leash with the fans, and IMO rightfully so. You don't miss PATs in the NFL. In the same right, you should not be shanking 30-34 yard field goals, especially when there is little defensive pressure while kicking. If the Jets had lost this game, this would be a much bigger deal to most; fortunately we only see the W in the standings so that seems to be enough for some people to forget about this. I only hope this thread doesn't have to get bumped with bad news Sunday night.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Wasn't the reason the Jets drafted Nugent because their kicker missed a lot of kicks in the playoffs in 2004, notably against the Chargers? The same game in which the Chargers young kicker missed some crucial kicks that would have won the game - yet they didn't go out and try to replace him. Now Kaeding is kicking the ball well and hasn't missed a kick under 40 yards.

No one's really saying that Nugent won't become a good kicker...but the fact is he's extremely shaky, and given the Jets' experiences with Brien losing them a playoff game, he's probably on a much shorter leash with the fans, and IMO rightfully so. You don't miss PATs in the NFL. In the same right, you should not be shanking 30-34 yard field goals, especially when there is little defensive pressure while kicking. If the Jets had lost this game, this would be a much bigger deal to most; fortunately we only see the W in the standings so that seems to be enough for some people to forget about this. I only hope this thread doesn't have to get bumped with bad news Sunday night.

I don't think it's a fact that he's extremely shaky at all. He's made 19 of his last 24 FG attempts and 26 of his 27 career XPs.

 

[sheerterror]

Yes he's made them. But on more than a few FGs and XPs, he didn't exactly knock it right through the uprights. I can remember a few that just barely had the distance (in the 40s I believe) or were well on their way to slicing wide when they tucked fair. Obviously, there are no style points in kicking, but the good kickers are pretty consistent about accurately kicking the ball right through the posts with some authority, and this leads to confidence in the FG unit. When Nugent comes out there, I (and I'm sure I'm not alone) don't feel the slightest bit comfortable or confident that he's going to make the kick...and this extends back into the preseason too, not just after Week 1's poor performance.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Yes he's made them. But on more than a few FGs and XPs, he didn't exactly knock it right through the uprights. I can remember a few that just barely had the distance (in the 40s I believe) or were well on their way to slicing wide when they tucked fair. Obviously, there are no style points in kicking, but the good kickers are pretty consistent about accurately kicking the ball right through the posts with some authority, and this leads to confidence in the FG unit. When Nugent comes out there, I (and I'm sure I'm not alone) don't feel the slightest bit comfortable or confident that he's going to make the kick...and this extends back into the preseason too, not just after Week 1's poor performance.

You're right, there are no style points. Lots of times Nugent does hit it right down the middle. I feel confident when he kicks, although last week was of course the exception by the end.Lots of good playesr have bad games.