Koren Robinson... (1 Viewer)

[FunkyPlutos]

This is a no lose signing for the Vikings. They can afford signing him but it won't be such a big contract that they won't be able to cut bait if Krob does something stupid. He has a high upside and Marcus Robinson is already dinged up a bit. It gives them plenty of depth at the position. He won't be Randy Moss, he will be a piece of the offense that is run by Daunte Culpepper. Win/Win for the Vikings in this signing.

 

[omally]

2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

I doubt this. Burleson did great last year when Moss went down, and I considered Burleson the #1 during that time. Koren was only a number 1 receiver in the NFL under the same circumstances. Koren did not perform that great last year as a #2, because of so many drops.

 

[Yenrub]

Koren is not or will ever be a punt returner.

He was a punt returner in college.

 

[Twisted]

Can anyone confirm the suspension issue?

 

[gman8343]

Can anyone confirm the suspension issue?

4 games IIRC

 

[loimkeith]

Isn't Koren going to have to serve a suspension before he can play?He may be worth a pick up... I am on the Donte Stallworth will have his breakout year (again) train. Now I hear Pathon may be resigned with the Saints and there that goes. So I can drop Stalworth and pick up Koren... but will he start and when.He still has feet for hands, maybe that is because the sauce, but who knows. + (Koren)=????

 

[datonn]

Even if Robinson turns out better than ever, that STILL won't justify Culpepper's ADP. Sigh. But it would bring him into the top 5 for me if KR works out well.

Just curious how much of the Vikings preseason practices and games you have watched this year, Me & My Uncle? Culpepper looks like a MONSTER so far this year....MUCH more focused and ready to lead the team. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the Vikings ground game has also looked terrible, and Culpepper has been toying with opposing defenses through the air. Sprinkle in a defense that hasn't looked quite as good as I had hoped they would so far (forcing the Vikings to put up more points?) and you have the recipe for another HUGE year out of Daunte Culpepper.As for the K-Rob "man-hate", why not have the Vikings throw two nickels at him as their WR4-5, then let him try and work his way up the depth chart? Heck, if it'll get the Vikings to finally cut Kelly Campbell, then I say:

 

[Wolfpacker]

I don't think there would be many WR corps as good as Burleson, Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Koren Robinson, and Troy Williamson. A potential stud in Burleson, 3 first round picks, and a former pro-bowler. Not bad at all.

Here's what many don't understand. KoRnHoLe is a ####### liability!!! All the potential in the world doesn't change the fact that he has medical problems with his eyes and can't catch!!! On top of that he's dealing with going completely sober and that takes a long time to deal with, so his mind won't be near even what counts as his top form. He's a waste. Scratch that, he's more than a waste. He's a LIABILITY. He'll get open all day and when you need the catch from him...send out the punt team!

Not to argue here, because I don't know, but is this confirmed? I've read where Peerless Price has some medical problems with his eyes, but this is the first I've seen concerning Robinson.

Still looking for someone to confirm that Koren Robinson has a medical problem with his eyes. Hey, Mad Sweeney, are you sure about this or do you have Robinson confused with P. Price? Don't need a link or anything, just curious. TIA

 

[Lucky Jack]

Even if Robinson turns out better than ever, that STILL won't justify Culpepper's ADP.  Sigh.  But it would bring him into the top 5 for me if KR works out well.

Just curious how much of the Vikings preseason practices and games you have watched this year, Me & My Uncle? Culpepper looks like a MONSTER so far this year....MUCH more focused and ready to lead the team. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the Vikings ground game has also looked terrible, and Culpepper has been toying with opposing defenses through the air. Sprinkle in a defense that hasn't looked quite as good as I had hoped they would so far (forcing the Vikings to put up more points?) and you have the recipe for another HUGE year out of Daunte Culpepper.

As for the K-Rob "man-hate", why not have the Vikings throw two nickels at him as their WR4-5, then let him try and work his way up the depth chart? Heck, if it'll get the Vikings to finally cut Kelly Campbell, then I say:

Nothing to lose? Hope thats true. The Vikings are deep and it appears that Williamson is not catching on as fast as the team had hoped...the deeper the better here...I think its a good move for the Vikes...

 

[cstu]

I don't think there would be many WR corps as good as Burleson, Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Koren Robinson, and Troy Williamson. A potential stud in Burleson, 3 first round picks, and a former pro-bowler. Not bad at all.

Here's what many don't understand. KoRnHoLe is a ####### liability!!! All the potential in the world doesn't change the fact that he has medical problems with his eyes and can't catch!!! On top of that he's dealing with going completely sober and that takes a long time to deal with, so his mind won't be near even what counts as his top form. He's a waste. Scratch that, he's more than a waste. He's a LIABILITY. He'll get open all day and when you need the catch from him...send out the punt team!

Not to argue here, because I don't know, but is this confirmed? I've read where Peerless Price has some medical problems with his eyes, but this is the first I've seen concerning Robinson.

Still looking for someone to confirm that Koren Robinson has a medical problem with his eyes. Hey, Mad Sweeney, are you sure about this or do you have Robinson confused with P. Price? Don't need a link or anything, just curious. TIA

He has Price and KRob confused.

 

[Kleck]

Peerless Price + alcoholism + bad attitude = Koren Robinson

Have at him, Vikes fans.

Yep. He's all yours.

 

[datonn]

Peerless Price + alcoholism + bad attitude = Koren Robinson

Have at him, Vikes fans.

Yep. He's all yours.

So what you're saying is "Kelly Campbell", but with ten times more talent and no weapons charges against him?!

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

 

[Your Mom]

WRBC

Knock Burleson down a spot or two, knock Taylor and Robinson down several spots, and knock Williamson and Campbell off the board altogether.

What? Knock Burelson down because they signed a guy that can't catch the ball? burelson is dante's guy and K-Rob won't change that ONE bit. his signing does not affect nate burelson at all.

 

[Kleck]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

 

[BucsZ2]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

Thanks for the reply. Burleson was the Number #1 guy while Moss was out last year and did really well. K-Rob was never really a #1 IMO. He had that one good year, but Darrell Jackson was equally impressive. As Jason Wood said, this speaks more about their #1 draft choice than Burleson.Disclaimer: I don't have NB in any of my leagues.

 

[16101]

If Robinson is out the first four games of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut before the 5th game.The Vikings will have 4-5 weeks to monitor Robinson by that time and if the other receivers are playing well, they may realize they don't need him anyway.

 

[Rovers]

WRBC

Knock Burleson down a spot or two, knock Taylor and Robinson down several spots, and knock Williamson and Campbell off the board altogether.

Who is yer supplier, and is he expensive? LOL!

 

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[mad sweeney]

I don't think there would be many WR corps as good as Burleson, Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Koren Robinson, and Troy Williamson. A potential stud in Burleson, 3 first round picks, and a former pro-bowler. Not bad at all.

Here's what many don't understand. KoRnHoLe is a ####### liability!!! All the potential in the world doesn't change the fact that he has medical problems with his eyes and can't catch!!! On top of that he's dealing with going completely sober and that takes a long time to deal with, so his mind won't be near even what counts as his top form. He's a waste. Scratch that, he's more than a waste. He's a LIABILITY. He'll get open all day and when you need the catch from him...send out the punt team!

Not to argue here, because I don't know, but is this confirmed? I've read where Peerless Price has some medical problems with his eyes, but this is the first I've seen concerning Robinson.

Still looking for someone to confirm that Koren Robinson has a medical problem with his eyes. Hey, Mad Sweeney, are you sure about this or do you have Robinson confused with P. Price? Don't need a link or anything, just curious. TIA

I don't have a link but they talked about it often during the Seahawk games the last 2 years, The Dropsies Era. He tried several different visor types early last year and has a league exception to use the orange visor he sticks with. They mentioned what it was once but I don't remember.It could be weed or Visine related eye problems too.

 

[Traders2001]

WRBC

Knock Burleson down a spot or two, knock Taylor and Robinson down several spots, and knock Williamson and Campbell off the board altogether.

 

[Preacher 1]

I doubt that K-Rob will even be active until after the bye week (I think week 5)...he's had no training camp, doesn't know the offense, doesn't knwo his teammates, and his teammates don't know him. Add in the fact that, barring injury, they simply don't need him for the first month of the season, and possibily the whole year.Taylor has to prove himself, Robinson has to stay healthy, and Williamson has to show that he's more than a speedster...if one or all of these guys flop, there's room for K-Rob to show his stuff...if they all perform as they're capable of doing, Robinson will have a great year staying sober and healthy on the sidelines...Burleson is simply going to be a top 10 reciever, no doubt about it in my mind...the kid is nails.

 

[Varmint]

Pickikng up Robinson in a deep league is a no-risk, possible high-reward proposition. With Culpepper calling the shots....who knows what could happen! If you've got room on your bench, it'll only cost you the pirce of a pickup...Oh...in the NFL...Minnesota can have him... but as for my fantasy leauge...he can't affect MY locker room..

 

[GOroute]

burleson is the clear #1. the #2 however is unknown. they have talent. And K-Rob easily has as much talent as anyone on the team including Burleson. Take your chance on K-Rob now...maybe it doesnt work out but what have you got to lose unless your roster limits are just sooooo small. he could easily go nuts this yr. i would not be surprised to see cris carter helping him out this yr.

 

[buccosfan]

Rumor has it he's going to be Onterrio Smith's roommate.

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

 

[BucsZ2]

I agree that he was a #1 (or #1a) WR in 2002. Lots can happen in 3 years though. I don't see him being successful in the league any longer.

 

[Kleck]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

Look swandown, I don't know who you're trying to convince. Perhaps mislead someone that you have to draft against tomorrow? Who knows?Whatever the case, your going a bit too overboard with your alias account here. Its the sort of thing I don't want to see in the Shark Pool.

After 7 weeks into the season Jackson was still the clear #1 WR in this offense. That's just a fact. I've watched every down of every Seattle game since the early 80s. So yes, I consider myself an expert in this area.

Robinson+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+|  1  oak  |     0  |    5    39  |  0 ||  2  ari  |     6  |    5    82  |  0 ||  3  nyg  |     0  |    1     7  |  0 ||  4  min  |    11  |    5    35  |  0 ||  6  sfo  |     0  |    2    24  |  0 ||  7  ram  |    -5  |    3   166  |  1 |Jackson+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+|  1  oak  |     1  |    3     7  |  0 ||  2  ari  |     0  |   10   174  |  0 ||  3  nyg  |     2  |    7    54  |  0 ||  4  min  |     0  |    3    47  |  0 ||  6  sfo  |     0  |    5    53  |  0 |You'll also notice that Jackson didn't play week 7 due to injury.After 5 games it looked like this...

Jackson 28 355 0

Robinson 21 187 0

Robinson had all his monster games that season when Jackson was hurt. Believe what you will, but don't try to distort the facts.

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

Look [name deleted], I don't know who you're trying to convince. Perhaps mislead someone that you have to draft against tomorrow? Who knows?Whatever the case, your going a bit too overboard with your alias account here. Its the sort of thing I don't want to see in the Shark Pool.

After 7 weeks into the season Jackson was still the clear #1 WR in this offense. That's just a fact. I've watched every down of every Seattle game since the early 80s. So yes, I consider myself an expert in this area.

Robinson+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+|  1  oak  |     0  |    5    39  |  0 ||  2  ari  |     6  |    5    82  |  0 ||  3  nyg  |     0  |    1     7  |  0 ||  4  min  |    11  |    5    35  |  0 ||  6  sfo  |     0  |    2    24  |  0 ||  7  ram  |    -5  |    3   166  |  1 |Jackson+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+|  1  oak  |     1  |    3     7  |  0 ||  2  ari  |     0  |   10   174  |  0 ||  3  nyg  |     2  |    7    54  |  0 ||  4  min  |     0  |    3    47  |  0 ||  6  sfo  |     0  |    5    53  |  0 |You'll also notice that Jackson didn't play week 7 due to injury.After 5 games it looked like this...

Jackson 28 355 0

Robinson 21 187 0

Robinson had all his monster games that season when Jackson was hurt. Believe what you will, but don't try to distort the facts.

1. at Shick! for trying to "expose" one of my housemates as me. That's not a very mature way to win a debate, IMO.2. You'll also notice that Jackson did, indeed, play Week 7.

3. Facts can't be distorted:

Head to head, Weeks 1-7 (both played every game)

Robinson: 21 rec., 353 rec. yards, 1 TD -- 10.6 FFp/g (in PPR/decimal scoring)

Jackson: 28 rec., 335 rec. yards, 0 TDs -- 10.3 FFp/g (in PPR/decimal scoring)

Head to head, Weeks 12-17 (both played every game)

Robinson: 38 rec., 647 rec. yards, 4 TDs -- 21.4 FFp/g (in PPR/decimal scoring)

Jackson: 32 rec., 500 yards, 4 TDs -- 17.7 FFp/g (in PPR/decimal scoring)

Under what system was Jackson ever the #1 WR in Seattle that year?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

Look swandown, I don't know who you're trying to convince. Perhaps mislead someone that you have to draft against tomorrow? Who knows?Whatever the case, your going a bit too overboard with your alias account here. Its the sort of thing I don't want to see in the Shark Pool.

After 7 weeks into the season Jackson was still the clear #1 WR in this offense. That's just a fact. I've watched every down of every Seattle game since the early 80s. So yes, I consider myself an expert in this area.

Robinson+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+|  1  oak  |     0  |    5    39  |  0 ||  2  ari  |     6  |    5    82  |  0 ||  3  nyg  |     0  |    1     7  |  0 ||  4  min  |    11  |    5    35  |  0 ||  6  sfo  |     0  |    2    24  |  0 ||  7  ram  |    -5  |    3   166  |  1 |Jackson+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+|  1  oak  |     1  |    3     7  |  0 ||  2  ari  |     0  |   10   174  |  0 ||  3  nyg  |     2  |    7    54  |  0 ||  4  min  |     0  |    3    47  |  0 ||  6  sfo  |     0  |    5    53  |  0 |You'll also notice that Jackson didn't play week 7 due to injury.After 5 games it looked like this...

Jackson 28 355 0

Robinson 21 187 0

Robinson had all his monster games that season when Jackson was hurt. Believe what you will, but don't try to distort the facts.

....but I am a little nervous on my Taylor speculation pick (I have him as my 5th wr on my squad where I have to start 3 wrs). At least I am not counting on him and if KRob turns out to be a bargain I can use Free Agent dollars to bid on him.

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

For the record, this is NOT an "alias" account. The username is a play on words, based largely on the fact that multiple users access this net account for fantasy football research.

If a mod wants to call our home # to verify, we'd be happy to accomodate.

 

[Kleck]

Under what system was Jackson ever the #1 WR in Seattle that year?

Under the one that yielded these numbers through the first 5 games:Jackson 28 355 0

Robinson 21 187 0

Perhaps you might want to find the game logs for their sixth, seventh, and eighth games to also figure out exactly how much Jackson was actually on the field.

Further, trying to analyze Jackson's numbers after he returned later in the season is folly without considering what his mindset was.

I'm done here. You're wrong. You can try to spin this however you want. Have a great season.

 

[Kleck]

For the record, this is NOT an "alias" account.  The username is a play on words, based largely on the fact that multiple users access this net account for fantasy football research.

If a mod wants to call our home # to verify, we'd be happy to accomodate. 

I believe you. Several accounts from the same computer. You put alias in your name. No problem.

 

[Wingnut]

He may be worth a pick up... I am on the Donte Stallworth will have his breakout year (again) train. Now I hear Pathon may be resigned with the Saints and there that goes. So I can drop Stalworth and pick up Koren...

I wouldnt worry about Stallworth if Pathon were to sign with the Saints. Do NOT drop him for KRob.

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

Under what system was Jackson ever the #1 WR in Seattle that year?

Under the one that yielded these numbers through the first 5 games:Jackson 28 355 0

Robinson 21 187 0

Perhaps you might want to find the game logs for their sixth, seventh, and eighth games to also figure out exactly how much Jackson was actually on the field.

That's a fantastic idea, I think I'll do that.Week 6 (San Francisco): Jackson starts and plays entire game.

Week 7 (St. Louis):: Jackson starts game; is targeted 3 times but fails to register a catch. I can find no evidence that he missed any part of this game due to injury.

Week 8 (Dallas): Jackson starts game; Jackson is targeted 7 times and makes 2 catches. Jackson is healthy for majority of game, not getting knocked out until 5:24 in the 4th.

Further, trying to analyze Jackson's numbers after he returned later in the season is folly without considering what his mindset was. I'm done here. You're wrong. You can try to spin this however you want. Have a great season.

I'm not spinning; simply presenting facts. Nothing but simple numbers.

 

[Kleck]

Under what system was Jackson ever the #1 WR in Seattle that year?

Under the one that yielded these numbers through the first 5 games:Jackson 28 355 0

Robinson 21 187 0

Perhaps you might want to find the game logs for their sixth, seventh, and eighth games to also figure out exactly how much Jackson was actually on the field.

That's a fantastic idea, I think I'll do that.Week 6 (San Francisco): Jackson starts and plays entire game.

Week 7 (St. Louis):: Jackson starts game; is targeted 3 times but fails to register a catch. I can find no evidence that he missed any part of this game due to injury.

Week 8 (Dallas): Jackson starts game; Jackson is targeted 7 times and makes 2 catches. Jackson is healthy for majority of game, not getting knocked out until 5:24 in the 4th.

Further, trying to analyze Jackson's numbers after he returned later in the season is folly without considering what his mindset was.  I'm done here. You're wrong. You can try to spin this however you want. Have a great season.

I'm not spinning; simply presenting facts. Nothing but simple numbers.

Holy crap. What am I doing? Oh well. Yes, I agree he played week 6. That would include that stats I showed you through 5 games.

Jackson was listed as questionable in week 7. Here's a link so you can see for yourself. Healthy? I don't think so.

Again, believe what you will.

 

[datonn]

For the record, this is NOT an "alias" account. The username is a play on words, based largely on the fact that multiple users access this net account for fantasy football research.

If a mod wants to call our home # to verify, we'd be happy to accomodate.

I believe you. Several accounts from the same computer. You put alias in your name. No problem.

Shick!Not to , but just how would you account for public proxy servers when you are monitoring for duplicate IPs and aliases? I'll usually only employ SwitchProxy whenever I'm wanting to cover my tracks if I think a particular forum might have "trolls" lurking on them. However, what's to say that numerous legitimate folks around here might not all be accessing the 'net with the same "IP"?

I actually posed this same question in a sports radio forum to the mod, after he was going on a banning spree (legitimate spree, mind you). He said, "Don't sweat it. Dude is banned." It wasn't 60 minutes until the guy appeared back on the boards saying "You thought you could ban ME?!"

Tracking IPs only works on the less-savvy 'net users out there. I think it's a shame that we even have to worry about "spoofing" and such, but it does always make me take pause before I get out my Banning Stick in a few of the other sites/filters that I am responsible for outside the world of FFL.....

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

Jackson was listed as questionable in week 7. Here's a link so you can see for yourself. Healthy? I don't think so.

Again, believe what you will.

All I truly believe is that you were factually incorrect when you wrote:

You'll also notice that Jackson didn't play week 7 due to injury.

Have a nice night!

 

[Kleck]

Tracking IPs only works on the less-savvy 'net users out there. I think it's a shame that we even have to worry about "spoofing" and such, but it does always make me take pause before I get out my Banning Stick in a few of the other sites/filters that I am responsible for outside the world of FFL.....

I understand what you're saying. I've been dealing with IP address data for nearly 5 years now. After some experience you get a handle on knowing what to look for. Proxies exist. Most don't know what they're doing. For any trolls that do... they create more accounts, but get tired of it after a bit and move on.

 

[Black Sunshine]

So...it's it worth dropping one of these guys to pick up KRob?Bradley, Mark CHI WR - 4 17.08 Henry, Chris CIN WR - 10 15.08 Lewis, Greg PHI WR - 6 16.05 I really want to hold onto Bradley in hopes that his preseason translates into some solid numbers in the regular season. Chris Henry is buried a bit in the CIN depth chart, but has also done well in the preseason. Greg Lewis isn't spectacular and I don't think he has a ton of upside, but he is currently a WR2. Help?

 

[SSOG]

I don't think there would be many WR corps as good as Burleson, Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Koren Robinson, and Troy Williamson. A potential stud in Burleson, 3 first round picks, and a former pro-bowler. Not bad at all.

Why stop there. FredEx is on the street and looking for a home. So's David Terrell. They're first rounders, they must be good! Jerry Rice is also currently unattached.Imagine a Minnesota WR corps that featured a potential stud in Burleson, *5* first round picks, and TWO former pro-bowlers!

This is the NFL. It's a crazy world of what have you done for me lately. I'll start discussing how good the Minnesota WR corps is once the Minnesota WR corps starts playing games.

I still think that Miami has the scariest WR corps in the league, though. They have THREE guys in the prime of their careers that have all put up very good seasons as the ONLY receiving threat on a horrible offense. All three of their guys have proven more than capable of ROUTINELY beating double coverages. How do you defend against them all at once? Oh, yeah, that's right, rush the passer and sack him before he can get the ball out. Still, Miami's WR corps is a good 'un.

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

Wow... that's really funny. And here I thought that the #1 WR was the guy who the other team put their tougher coverage on, regardless of who produced and how much. I'm sure you're right, though. If Koren Robinson produced more points per game, he must have been the #1 guy, even if Jackson was the guy getting the double coverages.

 

[ProudestMonkey]

Wow... that's really funny. And here I thought that the #1 WR was the guy who the other team put their tougher coverage on, regardless of who produced and how much. I'm sure you're right, though. If Koren Robinson produced more points per game, he must have been the #1 guy, even if Jackson was the guy getting the double coverages.

 

[swandown]

For the record, this is NOT an "alias" account.  The username is a play on words, based largely on the fact that multiple users access this net account for fantasy football research.

If a mod wants to call our home # to verify, we'd be happy to accomodate.  

I believe you. Several accounts from the same computer. You put alias in your name. No problem.

Same internet provider, different computers.But hey, leave me out of this! The last thing I need is an IP ban on the eve of Week 1.

 

[JaxBill]

His agent says that KRob doesn't face any further suspensions from the league but doesn't he run a great risk of getting his suspended sentence reintroduced?

Robinson, 25, sought treatment this summer for alcoholism and has a Sept. 14 court date stemming from a drunken driving conviction.

He was selected ninth overall by Seattle in the 2001 draft. His best season came in 2002, when he caught 78 passes for 1,240 yards. But the Seahawks released him in June after several off-field incidents, the latest a drunken driving stop in May in which he registered a blood-alcohol content of 0.19.

Robinson pleaded guilty July 18 and was sentenced to one day in jail with 364 days suspended, but the case was reopened when officers smelled alcohol on his breath when he arrived to serve his day in jail.

 

[smetankafanclub]

I don't think there would be many WR corps as good as Burleson, Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Koren Robinson, and Troy Williamson. A potential stud in Burleson, 3 first round picks, and a former pro-bowler. Not bad at all.

Why stop there. FredEx is on the street and looking for a home. So's David Terrell. They're first rounders, they must be good! Jerry Rice is also currently unattached.Imagine a Minnesota WR corps that featured a potential stud in Burleson, *5* first round picks, and TWO former pro-bowlers!

This is the NFL. It's a crazy world of what have you done for me lately. I'll start discussing how good the Minnesota WR corps is once the Minnesota WR corps starts playing games.

I still think that Miami has the scariest WR corps in the league, though. They have THREE guys in the prime of their careers that have all put up very good seasons as the ONLY receiving threat on a horrible offense. All three of their guys have proven more than capable of ROUTINELY beating double coverages. How do you defend against them all at once? Oh, yeah, that's right, rush the passer and sack him before he can get the ball out. Still, Miami's WR corps is a good 'un.

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

Wow... that's really funny. And here I thought that the #1 WR was the guy who the other team put their tougher coverage on, regardless of who produced and how much. I'm sure you're right, though. If Koren Robinson produced more points per game, he must have been the #1 guy, even if Jackson was the guy getting the double coverages.

And if I remember right that was the season Jackson suffered that head injury against Dallas, which may have something to do with the better Robinson numbers.

 

[Archie Bunker]

[quote name=mad sweeney' date='Sep 5 2005,

Still looking for someone to confirm that Koren Robinson has a medical problem with his eyes. Hey, Mad Sweeney, are you sure about this or do you have Robinson confused with P. Price? Don't need a link or anything, just curious. TIA

I don't think Robinson has anything wrong with his eyes. Robinson always wore a dark visor over his eyes like some RBs, e.g. Ricky Williams, do. There was some thought last year that the visor might be a contributing factor in the number of drops he had. Robinson tried playing without the dark visor for a week or two, but eventually went back to it. Guess it covered up the bloodshot eyes pretty well.

 

[el-gato-grande]

I don't think there would be many WR corps as good as Burleson, Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Koren Robinson, and Troy Williamson. A potential stud in Burleson, 3 first round picks, and a former pro-bowler. Not bad at all.

Why stop there. FredEx is on the street and looking for a home. So's David Terrell. They're first rounders, they must be good! Jerry Rice is also currently unattached.Imagine a Minnesota WR corps that featured a potential stud in Burleson, *5* first round picks, and TWO former pro-bowlers!

This is the NFL. It's a crazy world of what have you done for me lately. I'll start discussing how good the Minnesota WR corps is once the Minnesota WR corps starts playing games.

I still think that Miami has the scariest WR corps in the league, though. They have THREE guys in the prime of their careers that have all put up very good seasons as the ONLY receiving threat on a horrible offense. All three of their guys have proven more than capable of ROUTINELY beating double coverages. How do you defend against them all at once? Oh, yeah, that's right, rush the passer and sack him before he can get the ball out. Still, Miami's WR corps is a good 'un.

Why would you knock Burleson at all?

1. Because KRob isn't just going to take touches from MRob and Taylor -- he'll take a few touches from Burleson as well. Not many, but enough to make me think twice when I see Burleson available on the draft board.2. KRob's signing just might be a sign that Tice isn't 100% confident in Burleson as his #1 WR. KRob has been a #1 WR before; Burleson has not. For all we know, Burleson could be a Peerless Price type who is at his best when he has a clear-cut #1 starting with him.

KRob couldn't unseat Jackson as #1 in Seattle and Burleson is not Price. He has played in this system and has a VERY GOOD QB throwing to him. Price went to a system that was flawed from the start.Thanks for playing!

KRob unseated Jackson as the #1 in Seattle in 2002. Thank YOU for playing.(true, he reverted the following year -- but he still has more experience as a #1 than Burleson does.)

XJackson took one of the scariest hits I can remember. He went into convulsions and had a seizure in the locker room at the end of the game.

Robinson didn't "take" anything. Jackson was still the #1 at that point.

XXCome on Shick!, did you think no one would check the facts on this one?

The hit occured in Week 8, and up to that point Robinson's stats (353 yards, 1 TD) were superior to Jackson's (335 yards, 0 TDs). Also, Jackson's per-game production actually increased after the hit (from 56 to 83 yards per game). Yet Robinson still averaged more catches and more yards per game.

Robinson: 4.9 catches, 81.0 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 10.0 FFPts/game

Jackson (excluding Dallas game): 5.0 catches, 69.8 yards, .31 TDs per game -- 8.3 FFPts/game

There's no arguing with the facts: Koren Robinson was the #1 WR in Seattle in 2002.

Wow... that's really funny. And here I thought that the #1 WR was the guy who the other team put their tougher coverage on, regardless of who produced and how much. I'm sure you're right, though. If Koren Robinson produced more points per game, he must have been the #1 guy, even if Jackson was the guy getting the double coverages.

And if I remember right that was the season Jackson suffered that head injury against Dallas, which may have something to do with the better Robinson numbers.

I haven't bothered to read the entire thread, but realistically I'm not sure what Robinson's 2002 situation has to do with the present day. For this thread to be of any use to anybody, we need to determine if Robinson has any value in the Viking's offense THIS YEAR. What will be his role given their current stable of WR's? Viking fans - can you give us any local insight? I'm sure it's generating big time discussion this morning on the local sports radio shows.

 

[Black Sunshine]

Would you rather have Brandon Lloyd or Koren Robinson this season?

 

[realblue]

Would you rather have Brandon Lloyd or Koren Robinson this season?

Lloyd

 

[Gopher State]

This deal has "C. Carter rebirth" spelled all over it. A great talent gets a final shot to prove himself. My only concern is their enough balls/passes to go around in MN, time will tell. But this is a great low risk, HIGH RETURN move by the Vikings. I would raise C-Pepper's stock a few notches, and move Nate B down about 1 notch.