Kyle Boller (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

Ok,

I've been sitting on this one for a while, but bear with me.

The headline is this:



Kyle Boller to Carolina to become the starting QB.

It sounds a little crazy, but read on.First, Carolina really likes Boller.

File this one away for future reference, because nothing can happen right away. But I keep hearing the Panthers really like Baltimore quarterback Kyle Boller. It makes sense, because Boller is a young guy with some experience and some upside.

He did a good job stepping in when Steve McNair was injured last season and the Panthers would like to have someone like that in place if Jake Delhomme gets injured. Boller also has enough skills to challenge for a starting job if Delhomme struggles like he did much of last season.

The hang-up here is Boller is not scheduled to be a free agent until 2008. He remains under contract (with a very friendly salary-cap number) to the Ravens. Let me emphasize there are no trade talks going on and trades are rare in the NFL. But keep this one in the back of your mind for the spring.

Second, the Panthers are no longer enamored with Delhomme.Add in his salary for the next three seasons:

2009 $5,325,000

2007 $5,400,000

2008 $4,690,000

A significant bump up from last year:

2006 $1,785,000

Finally, why would Baltimore do this? Well, Boller is in his final year of his current contract. Better they get something for him now than nothing in 2008. Also, Billick likes Boller and stuck with him a long time, probably too long, but I'm sure he'd like to see him get another shot and a fresh start. Add in that Carolina is in a different conference and it makes even more sense.They are definitely open to trading him:

Mike Preston - Baltimore Sun

Boller trade?

Before the start of next season, the Ravens will entertain offers to trade backup quarterback Kyle Boller, and it might not be a bad idea. Boller served as a backup to Steve McNair last year after three previous seasons of starting. He still believes he can be an effective starter in the league, and the Ravens might move him if the price is right.Boller has one year remaining on his current contract, and there will be some head coaches out there who will think they can improve his game. If that’s the case, the Ravens should be able to at least get a third-round pick for Boller. The former Cal quarterback was at a disadvantage having to start as a rookie, but has shown little progress in four seasons in Baltimore. Last year, Boller at least proved he can be a serviceable backup.

So, be on the lookout of a Draft Day trade of Boller for a 3rd or 4th rounder, maybe a 5th, and watch the drama ensue.

 

[Gr00vus]

Boller isn't good.

If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.

 

[The_Man]

This would surprise me for several reasons --

1. Ravens have no other backup and McNair (2006 season not withstanding) seems to get injured fairly often.

2. Boller's cap number is virtually nil.

3. I thought the Ravens were the only NFL team that still believes Boller can be a legit NFL starting QB.

4. Since the Ravens do believe that Boller can be a legit NFL QB, I have to think they're going to want more than a #3 for him, and it's hard to imagine anyone giving up even that much.

However, Boller did have his best game ever vs. Carolina last year after McNair went down early, so maybe that fooled the Panthers.

 

[fruity pebbles]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair and he's only 25 years old.

 

[lions327]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

This would surprise me for several reasons --1. Ravens have no other backup and McNair (2006 season not withstanding) seems to get injured fairly often.2. Boller's cap number is virtually nil.3. I thought the Ravens were the only NFL team that still believes Boller can be a legit NFL starting QB.4. Since the Ravens do believe that Boller can be a legit NFL QB, I have to think they're going to want more than a #3 for him, and it's hard to imagine anyone giving up even that much.However, Boller did have his best game ever vs. Carolina last year after McNair went down early, so maybe that fooled the Panthers.

I think you overestimate this as you are close to the Ravens.Yes, they don't have a clear #2. But that's easily rectified. Aaron Brooks and Jeff Garcia need homes, for example. Also don't be shocked if they draft a QB if they don't believe in Drew Olson.His cap number is low, but they want to get something for him. This move would not surprise me at all.

 

[Pat Patriot]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair.

I thought Boller actually played VERY WELL at the end of 2005. However, the Ravens had a chance to get McNair and decided to go for it. Boller got stuck on the bench. I think Boller could thrive given another chance.

 

[Bri]

Going to Carolina-OK

start? yeah right, we'll see in September. That guy might not even be able to beat out Weinke. I am sooooooo not a fan of his.

Maybe the Ravens can dig up Chris Redman and package him in this deal too

 

[KTM]

So this is why you were curious about my pick?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

So this is why you were curious about my pick?

I was waiting for that....

 

[Couch Potato]

People know he threw it through the uprights from his knees.

What they don't know is he was trying to hit a WR 20 yards away.

 

[KTM]

So this is why you were curious about my pick?

I was waiting for that....

I sniped your super sleeper.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

So this is why you were curious about my pick?

I was waiting for that....

I sniped your super sleeper.

Nice job blind squirrel, nice job.....

 

[nygiants56]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair and he's only 25 years old.

don't forget, he looked sharp at the end of the 2005 season, too.the kid hasn't really panned out yet, but , it also took Phil Simms years to become a pro bowl QB, so there is still hope for Boller.

Damon Huard is only now becoming a starting QB. It took Rich Gannon forever and a day, to become a top QB.

for some guys, the adjustment to the NFL is immediate. for others, it takes some time to get used to it..

 

[CalBear]

Here are the stats from Boller's last 16 semi-complete games dating back to 2004 (minimum 5 attempts):

289/511 (56.6%), 3183 yards, 22 TD, 18 INT.

Those aren't world-beating numbers, but they're not bad. It's more or less equivalent to what Delhomme put up in his fourth year in the league (2003).

If you limit it to the 11 games in 2005 and 2006, you get:

201/345 (58.3%), 2263 yards (206 per game), 16 TD 14 INT.

Which is pretty similar to what Delhomme put up in 2006.

I would be somewhat surprised if the Ravens decide to move Boller, but I wouldn't be surprised if other teams show interest, or if he becomes successful in another situation. (Or even in Baltimore if McNair goes down).

 

[Tommy Collins]

Boller isn't good.If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.

And the majority of the people here thought JP Losman was done too... QBs take longer to be ready. Maybe they should get a few seasons in before they get thrown under the bus?

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'd rather see the Bears make this move and have an open QB comp in training camp next year.

 

[Tag]

It would seem a bit foolish for the Ravens to let Boller go with McNairs age and injury history.

 

[nygiants56]

Boller isn't good.If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.

And the majority of the people here thought JP Losman was done too... QBs take longer to be ready. Maybe they should get a few seasons in before they get thrown under the bus?

He's better than Carr/Couch/Akili Smith/Harrington/Browning Nagle/Pat Ramsey/Heath Shuler and all the overhyped young QB's who've come down the pike over the past 10-20 years. Now, that's not saying much, I know. but, he is a better QB, IMO. he needs to get away from Billick and his 'I know QBs' mentality.Aside form Jamal's 2k-yard season,what else has the Ravens offense done since Billick took over as HC?nada.I think , given a shot elsewhere, Boller could thrive.

 

[Gr00vus]

Boller isn't good.If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.

And the majority of the people here thought JP Losman was done too... QBs take longer to be ready. Maybe they should get a few seasons in before they get thrown under the bus?

He's better than Carr/Couch/Akili Smith/Harrington/Browning Nagle/Pat Ramsey/Heath Shuler and all the overhyped young QB's who've come down the pike over the past 10-20 years. Now, that's not saying much, I know. but, he is a better QB, IMO. he needs to get away from Billick and his 'I know QBs' mentality.Aside form Jamal's 2k-yard season,what else has the Ravens offense done since Billick took over as HC?nada.I think , given a shot elsewhere, Boller could thrive.

Wow, the Boller fan club is out in force. Boller looks quite a bit more like the guys listed in the previous post (I actually think he's worse than Carr and Harrington) than he does Lossman. I never wrote Lossman off, he looked legit even when he was sucking. Boller looks bad even when he's not sucking. You can write guys off too early. You can also hang on too long to guys who don't have it. Based on what I've seen of him - his entire sample space, not just a selected few games here and there - Boller doesn't have it, and I don't think he's going to get it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Even if you don't believe in Boller (or any player for that matter), you can capitalize.

If you get Boller cheap now, hold him in case this happens (and there's a pretty good chance) then trade him after the news.

Buy Low. Sell High.

Don't have to like the player at all.

 

[Colin Dowling]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair and he's only 25 years old.

I have been following Boller since high school and I can say with 100% confidence that if he is EVER going to be a good NFL QB, he hasn't shown it so far. The guy has not completed 60% of his passes since he was a sophomore in high school. That's not an embellishment. He simply has not been accurate enough in almost a DECADE to be considered a realiable option at QB.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Boller isn't good.If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.

And the majority of the people here thought JP Losman was done too... QBs take longer to be ready. Maybe they should get a few seasons in before they get thrown under the bus?

He's better than Carr/Couch/Akili Smith/Harrington/Browning Nagle/Pat Ramsey/Heath Shuler and all the overhyped young QB's who've come down the pike over the past 10-20 years. Now, that's not saying much, I know. but, he is a better QB, IMO. he needs to get away from Billick and his 'I know QBs' mentality.Aside form Jamal's 2k-yard season,what else has the Ravens offense done since Billick took over as HC?nada.I think , given a shot elsewhere, Boller could thrive.

Wow, the Boller fan club is out in force.

Just a FYI... I'm not a fan of Boller. I just noticed a trend of guys souring on QBs way too soon. Let him play. Regardless Baltimore isn't the most desirable place for a QB IMHO.

 

[Gr00vus]

Even if you don't believe in Boller (or any player for that matter), you can capitalize.If you get Boller cheap now, hold him in case this happens (and there's a pretty good chance) then trade him after the news.Buy Low. Sell High.Don't have to like the player at all.

You and your strategery.If you're willing to accept the risk of having to deal with getting stuck with him after no deal happens for the opportunity to get an uncertain but probably very small pay out, then yeah, roll the dice.I'm just saying I'm not willing to accept that risk.

 

[BassNBrew]

Hey Pasquino :finger:

 

[Couch Potato]

Hey Pasquino :finger:

Is BassNBrew holding up that foam #1?Here, let me put on my glasses... Nope, something else.

 

[Rhino802]

This would surprise me for several reasons --1. Ravens have no other backup and McNair (2006 season not withstanding) seems to get injured fairly often.2. Boller's cap number is virtually nil.3. I thought the Ravens were the only NFL team that still believes Boller can be a legit NFL starting QB.4. Since the Ravens do believe that Boller can be a legit NFL QB, I have to think they're going to want more than a #3 for him, and it's hard to imagine anyone giving up even that much.However, Boller did have his best game ever vs. Carolina last year after McNair went down early, so maybe that fooled the Panthers.

I think you overestimate this as you are close to the Ravens.Yes, they don't have a clear #2. But that's easily rectified. Aaron Brooks and Jeff Garcia need homes, for example. Also don't be shocked if they draft a QB if they don't believe in Drew Olson.His cap number is low, but they want to get something for him. This move would not surprise me at all.

Jeff, not saying this isn't going to happen, but no way do the Ravens have cap room for Garcia and given Billick's woes with journeymen QBs, I can't see them making a play for Brooks either. However, getting something for Boller now makes some sense assuming they can sign a reasonable b/u QB which is a long shot since they have little cap room barring signing Sizzle to a new deal.

 

[derek19]

WOW!!!!

Anyone want Steve Smith?

 

[CalBear]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair and he's only 25 years old.

I have been following Boller since high school and I can say with 100% confidence that if he is EVER going to be a good NFL QB, he hasn't shown it so far. The guy has not completed 60% of his passes since he was a sophomore in high school. That's not an embellishment. He simply has not been accurate enough in almost a DECADE to be considered a realiable option at QB.

He completed 60% of his passes in 2006.

 

[Da Guru]

McNair had his shot last year..the guy was a warrior but he is done. Why would Baltimore want to dump Boller now?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

McNair had his shot last year..the guy was a warrior but he is done. Why would Baltimore want to dump Boller now?

Did you read the first post?One year left, no confidence in him going forward.Someone will replace McNair in the next 1-2 years, but not Kyle.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

WOW!!!!Anyone want Steve Smith?

Easy - don't go off the deep end.Just letting you know what could happen.SSmith - it doesn't matter the QB really if he can throw it up for grabs. Even Boller can do that.

 

[Bri]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair and he's only 25 years old.

I have been following Boller since high school and I can say with 100% confidence that if he is EVER going to be a good NFL QB, he hasn't shown it so far. The guy has not completed 60% of his passes since he was a sophomore in high school. That's not an embellishment. He simply has not been accurate enough in almost a DECADE to be considered a realiable option at QB.

He completed 60% of his passes in 2006.

 

[Ned]

WOW!!!!Anyone want Steve Smith?

Easy - don't go off the deep end.Just letting you know what could happen.SSmith - it doesn't matter the QB really if he can throw it up for grabs. Even Boller can do that.

weinke did just fine getting it to him.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

However, Boller did have his best game ever vs. Carolina last year after McNair went down early, so maybe that fooled the Panthers.

His "best game ever" consisted of bouncing two TD passes off the pads of defenders and ultimately, a loss. When that's the best, you have to wonder what the average or worst are going to look like.

 

[obxlegends]

Boller isn't good.If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.

And the majority of the people here thought JP Losman was done too... QBs take longer to be ready. Maybe they should get a few seasons in before they get thrown under the bus?

I have to admit I liked Boller a lot when my boys drafted him. He's also one of the toughest SOB's in the game. He will stand in the pocket and take a hit. Those are the pluses. The minuses are he's not very smart. He can't adjust his reads or progressions in a manner to be a successful QB in this league. He's a very fine backup and with time could become an adequate starter for a very good team that needs only a director. I wouldn't count on Boller especially if I were Carolina. Steve Smith would never be the same, but bump up Jeff King. ;-)

 

[Gr00vus]

WOW!!!!Anyone want Steve Smith?

Easy - don't go off the deep end.Just letting you know what could happen.SSmith - it doesn't matter the QB really if he can throw it up for grabs. Even Boller can do that.

weinke did just fine getting it to him.

Yeah that 7 passing attempt game in week 16 was pure magic.

 

[JAA]

Carolina love JakeD

 

[Colin Dowling]

People are writing Boller off too quickly. It typically takes QBs a few years to get it. He played very well last year in relief of McNair and he's only 25 years old.

I have been following Boller since high school and I can say with 100% confidence that if he is EVER going to be a good NFL QB, he hasn't shown it so far. The guy has not completed 60% of his passes since he was a sophomore in high school. That's not an embellishment. He simply has not been accurate enough in almost a DECADE to be considered a realiable option at QB.

He completed 60% of his passes in 2006.

Let me rephrase for the folks delusional enough to consider Boller to be an effective QB: As an everyday player, where teams gameplan against him, he can't hit the broadside of a barn with a 12 gauge.

 

[The_Man]

I still think the premise of this thread is flawed, because I truly believe that Billick and Ozzie value Boller more highly than any other team in the NFL.

That, and it's very unlikely that they'll get a decent backup QB for a lower cap number than what Boller is currently sporting (i.e., last year of his rookie deal, so he has a low base salary and his bonus is in the final year of its amortization and so will count the same vs. the cap this year whether they trade him or keep him).

 

[Beaumont]

Panthers | Delhomme restructures

Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:59:20 -0800

Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports Carolina Panthers QB Jake Delhomme restructured his contract to open $4 million in salary cap space.

 

[pantherclub]

I cant stop laughing at this. So Boller is better than jake, a-ok

 

[Colin Dowling]

I cant stop laughing at this. So Boller is better than jake, a-ok

Would you stop laughing if I told you how they both suck?

 

[pantherclub]

One's been to a divisional championship and a superbowl, which he could have one if not been for Kaseys out of bounds kickoff.

the other.........

 

[JohnnyU]

This is a ploy by Jeff to generate some WW activity in his leagues. He's hoping someone will drop a decent player for Boller.

 

[Couch Potato]

They all hoped he'd become a Pro Bowler,

When Baltimore drafted Kyle Boller.

But as hope for him wanes,

He should heads for the lanes.

It's his last shot to be a Pro Bowler.

 

[Gr00vus]

I cant stop laughing at this. So Boller is better than jake, a-ok

Would you stop laughing if I told you how they both suck?

 

[CalBear]

Let me rephrase for the folks delusional enough to consider Boller to be an effective QB: As an everyday player, where teams gameplan against him, he can't hit the broadside of a barn with a 12 gauge.

Boller is not a particularly inaccurate QB. He has had awful receivers for most of his career. His completion percentages since when he started as a rookie: 51.6%, 55.6%, 58.3%, 60.0%. That track also measures the quality of Baltimore's receivers.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Carolina love JakeD

avatar r0x0r!!!

 

[cstu]

Boller isn't good.

If anyone has to start him, they've got problems of Rex Grossman proportions. I can't believe someone would trade for this guy, especially when he'll hit the streets after next season anyway.