L. Jordan, C. Williams, D. Foster, R. Droughns (1 Viewer)

[JMJ]

"Buy low and sell high." It is a rule lots of us try and abide by. All four of the RBs discussed in the title of this thread are screaming "buy low."

In three sentences or less, please give a quick blurb regarding your views of each and list them in order of who you feel has the best chance to turn his season around vs. the player you feel is the "buy low" who will stay low. I'll go first:

1. Lamont Jordan - Lamont is the unquestioned feature back on his team and is not a threat to be pulled on goaline carries or third downs. The buy week is coming at a good time for the Raiders as they have looked horrendous the first two weeks of the season and now have some game footage to break down, two weeks to correct and impliment changes, and 3 of their next 4 opponents are below-average defensive teams so they will have favorable matchups when they attempt some of their "new things." If the Raiders can find a way to incorporate Randy Moss into their offense, things will open up a little more for Lamont.

2. Reuben Droughns - Like Lamont, Reuben is more or less entrenched as the starter for Cleveland and doesn't have to worry much about coming out of the game on third downs and I'm not sold on him not being the goaline and short yardage back; I feel he will be. Charlie Frye is showing promise and the Browns offense is no longer a laughing stock. I expect Reuben to average around 100 total yards (65 rushing - 35 receiving) per game with a TD sprinkled in every other game or so.

3. Deshaun Foster - DeAngelo Williams is extremely talented and I expect him to begin getting at least 50% of the RB work from here on out. With that being said, Foster should still see around 12-15 carries and another 2-4 catches per game. Even with more normal averages of exactly 4.0 and 6.0 per carry and reception respectively, you can still expect to see around 50 yards rushing and another 15-20 receiving per game with the occasional TD sprinkled in.

4. Cadillac Williams - I had my reserves of Cadillac entering the season (Pittman on 3rd downs; Alstott at the goaline, nagging injuries during his rookie campaign). He is already having nagging injuries again, Chris Simms is not keeping defenses honest, and both Pittman and Alstott are still around to steal their respective roles. Cadillac may have a few 100 yard games from here on out, but I also think he has the best chance at giving you 25 total yard days of all the group.

How do you guys rank these 4 "buy low candiates?" Even if you only list them 1-4 with no reasoning I think people would be interested in seeing your thoughts.

TIA.

 

[Angrymutt]

"Buy low and sell high." It is a rule lots of us try and abide by. All four of the RBs discussed in the title of this thread are screaming "buy low."In three sentences or less, please give a quick blurb regarding your views of each and list them in order of who you feel has the best chance to turn his season around vs. the player you feel is the "buy low" who will stay low. I'll go first:1. Lamont Jordan - Lamont is the unquestioned feature back on his team and is not a threat to be pulled on goaline carries or third downs. The buy week is coming at a good time for the Raiders as they have looked horrendous the first two weeks of the season and now have some game footage to break down, two weeks to correct and impliment changes, and 3 of their next 4 opponents are below-average defensive teams so they will have favorable matchups when they attempt some of their "new things." If the Raiders can find a way to incorporate Randy Moss into their offense, things will open up a little more for Lamont.2. Reuben Droughns - Like Lamont, Reuben is more or less entrenched as the starter for Cleveland and doesn't have to worry much about coming out of the game on third downs and I'm not sold on him not being the goaline and short yardage back; I feel he will be. Charlie Frye is showing promise and the Browns offense is no longer a laughing stock. I expect Reuben to average around 100 total yards (65 rushing - 35 receiving) per game with a TD sprinkled in every other game or so.3. Deshaun Foster - DeAngelo Williams is extremely talented and I expect him to begin getting at least 50% of the RB work from here on out. With that being said, Foster should still see around 12-15 carries and another 2-4 catches per game. Even with more normal averages of exactly 4.0 and 6.0 per carry and reception respectively, you can still expect to see around 50 yards rushing and another 15-20 receiving per game with the occasional TD sprinkled in.4. Cadillac Williams - I had my reserves of Cadillac entering the season (Pittman on 3rd downs; Alstott at the goaline, nagging injuries during his rookie campaign). He is already having nagging injuries again, Chris Simms is not keeping defenses honest, and both Pittman and Alstott are still around to steal their respective roles. Cadillac may have a few 100 yard games from here on out, but I also think he has the best chance at giving you 25 total yard days of all the group.How do you guys rank these 4 "buy low candiates?" Even if you only list them 1-4 with no reasoning I think people would be interested in seeing your thoughts.TIA.

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[gbill2004]

1. Cadillac

2. Droughns

3. Jordan

4. Foster

 

[FF Dude]

I am actually (and will probably kick myself later for it) going to try to buy Lamont low in as many leagues as possible. Most FF'ers won't budge on a guy they drafted so high under normal circumstances, but Lamont has done almost nothing and Oakland has looked horrendous.

I'm not expecting great things, but when you consider that Oakland played SD and Baltimore, premier defenses, their is nowhere to go but up. If he can be a serviceable #3 for ther remainder of the year and be plugged in for bye weeks or unforseen injuries that would be great. I'm hoping to get him for a #3 WR.

 

[Texican]

I am actually (and will probably kick myself later for it) going to try to buy Lamont low in as many leagues as possible. Most FF'ers won't budge on a guy they drafted so high under normal circumstances, but Lamont has done almost nothing and Oakland has looked horrendous. I'm not expecting great things, but when you consider that Oakland played SD and Baltimore, premier defenses, their is nowhere to go but up. If he can be a serviceable #3 for ther remainder of the year and be plugged in for bye weeks or unforseen injuries that would be great. I'm hoping to get him for a #3 WR.

I'm trying to get him low as well. The problem is the guy wants Maroney in return (he actually want Maroney and Tatum for Jordan and Chambers). I am very high on Maroney, so I am not sure if this is low enough of a buy for me.

 

[FF Dude]

That's a tough call. I haven't sent any offers out yet but I'm hoping for a better deal than that. Hoping to take advantage of Oakland being on a bye week. After two horrible weeks and no start this week I'm hoping to catch someone a little more desperate than that.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I got Caddy and only have Gore and the INDY combo as rb's.

My wr's are ROY MASON WAYNE and im contemplating sending Caddy off for Gado Stallworth and a 2nd rounder next year.

Caddy isnt my guy.

 

[JMJ]

1-4? Anyone?

 

[TheFanatic]

I can sum up these guys in 1 word. Disappointing.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'm very down on all of these guys, but the two that stand out as big time busts are the two that probably went in the top 12 of every draft, Cadillac and Jordan.

Caddy

As I mentioned in another thread, Cadillac has a terrible schedule facing him and the playoff stretch is just brutal. The team is a mess, and I've never been a big Caddyfan anyway. I would avoid him at all costs for the schedule alone.

Week 13 - @PITT

Week 14 - ATL

Week 15 - @CHI

Week 16 - @Cleveland

Week 17 - SEA

Jordan

Jordan looks a little better. His coach has at least come out and said that they need to utilize him better, and of course anything is better than 0 catches when you're talking about Jordan. They also have their bye week this week and it could not have come at a better time for this team. They need to get their #### together and hopefully it can happen over the next 14 days. I'm not expecting great changes in Oak after the bye week, but it is possible that they could field a competitive team giving Walter a full two weeks to take 1st team snaps. He also has what appears to be an favorable schedule and the playoff stretch is more than ideal. I would target him as a bye low if the right opporunity presented itself

Week 13 - HOU

Week 14 - @CIN

Week 15 - STL

Week 16 - KC

Week 17 - @NYJ

Foster

One of two things happen, he loses his job or gets hurt. I'd avoid him also

Droughns

I really don't know what to make of this situation. The only thing missing last year was TDs. There's no real compition there and it seems that there are offense weapons in Edwards and KW2 that could help open up the running game. I'd be optimistic that he could turn it around, but don't think I'd actually go out and target him fpr a trade.

Overall rankings:

Jordan (especially in PPR leagues)

Caddy

Droughns

Foster

 

[zamboni]

I can't talk about Caddy and Jordan. They're destroying my season, and if you don't have anything nice to say about someone...

 

[JMJ]

I'm very down on all of these guys, but the two that stand out as big time busts are the two that probably went in the top 12 of every draft, Cadillac and Jordan.

Caddy

As I mentioned in another thread, Cadillac has a terrible schedule facing him and the playoff stretch is just brutal. The team is a mess, and I've never been a big Caddyfan anyway. I would avoid him at all costs for the schedule alone.

Week 13 - @PITT

Week 14 - ATL

Week 15 - @CHI

Week 16 - @Cleveland

Week 17 - SEA

Jordan

Jordan looks a little better. His coach has at least come out and said that they need to utilize him better, and of course anything is better than 0 catches when you're talking about Jordan. They also have their bye week this week and it could not have come at a better time for this team. They need to get their #### together and hopefully it can happen over the next 14 days. I'm not expecting great changes in Oak after the bye week, but it is possible that they could field a competitive team giving Walter a full two weeks to take 1st team snaps. He also has what appears to be an favorable schedule and the playoff stretch is more than ideal. I would target him as a bye low if the right opporunity presented itself

Week 13 - HOU

Week 14 - @CIN

Week 15 - STL

Week 16 - KC

Week 17 - @NYJ

Foster

One of two things happen, he loses his job or gets hurt. I'd avoid him also

Droughns

I really don't know what to make of this situation. The only thing missing last year was TDs. There's no real compition there and it seems that there are offense weapons in Edwards and KW2 that could help open up the running game. I'd be optimistic that he could turn it around, but don't think I'd actually go out and target him fpr a trade.

Overall rankings:

Jordan (especially in PPR leagues)

Caddy

Droughns

Foster

Good post. I was hoping to garner some more discussion and opinions like this one with the initial post; maybe I was hoping for too much.

 

[buccosfan]

11 team keeper league. Keep 10 players. Draft 6.

I was offered Jordan for a 2nd-round pick (it will probably be pretty high). The first pick of the 2nd round this year was Wali Lundy.

I wanted Jordan all last year. I'd give up a third in a minute. I think a 2nd may be too high.

Thoughts?

 

[SSOG]

Wow, I think a lot of people are really undervaluing some of these RBs, here. Jordan, Caddy, and Droughns, at the very least, will get a ton of carries this season- and carries is one of the most important factors in determining an RB's value.

If all four were out on waivers, here's how I'd rank them in terms of who I think will score the most from here on out:

LaMont Jordan

Cadillac Williams

Reuben Droughns

Deshaun Foster

If all four were on other teams, and I had to trade for them, here's how I rank them in terms of whose actual value is higher than their perceived value (i.e. this takes into account that while Jordan has the highest actual value of the bunch, he probably has the highest perceived value, and might not be as good of a buy-low candidate):

LaMont Jordan

Reuben Droughns

Caddy Williams

Deshaun Foster.

 

[Homer]

Re: Lamont Jordan, compare him to Domanick Davis the last several years: Davis was in a HORRIBLE offense, but was fed the ball plenty, and wasn't usually pulled inside the 10 (at least when healthy). Davis put up top-10-12 numbers for the most part, and Jordan should find a way to do that too.

Unless, of course, the Raiders running game in the red zone ends up being as bad as Cleveland's was last year. In which case, you just say "oops" and hope your RB4 gets a lucky break and the guy in front of him gets hurt!

 

[a_f13nd]

Caddy

Lamont

Droughns

Foster

TB cannot possibly be as bad as they've played. If people can write off the Jordan statlines based on playing stud Ds, why can't you do the same for Caddy? They also played Baltimore and then played the Falcons, who seem much better. Chris Simms was everyone's favorite sleeper, and after 2 weeks that seems like old news. I say Caddy and the offense gets on track in Week 5, after their bye.

Jordan will get his. No one is behind him and he's a great pass-catching dual threat. Maybe the coach didn't realize that taking your best player out of the game doesn't help anything. Use Randy Moss as a decoy and run/pass LJ.

Droughns is most likely going to lose his job. He actually has two guys, young guys, breathing down his back. His YPC has always been mediocre; he's just gotten many touches. He also used to catch fairly well, but for some reason the coach is not using him properly. He's barely even seeing the ball in a virtually nonexistent offense.

If John Fox didn't know already--he did--D Williams is better than Foster. Last week, Williams did more with the same amount of carries. I dread the RBBC and the injury history, and would not touch Foster for anything more than FA scrapheap.

 

[vegasrobb]

Foster = BWR = Bye Week Replacement

 

[a_f13nd]

How does the value of these guys rank in comparison to guys like Norwood, Turner, Brandon Jacobs, etc... guys who are contributing more as backups to studs than the so-called studs from Tampa, Oakland, Carolina and Cleveland?

 

[SackDiesel808]

How does the value of these guys rank in comparison to guys like Norwood, Turner, Brandon Jacobs, etc... guys who are contributing more as backups to studs than the so-called studs from Tampa, Oakland, Carolina and Cleveland?

ABOVEI'd take a locked in featured back over a backup anyday of the week and twice on sunday....... barring injury or bye week fillin Norwood, Turner, or Jacobs shouldn't be starting for you. Although I may see an outside chance for Jacobs to fall in the endzone twice. Turner will only get work in a blowout.

 

[SSOG]

How does the value of these guys rank in comparison to guys like Norwood, Turner, Brandon Jacobs, etc... guys who are contributing more as backups to studs than the so-called studs from Tampa, Oakland, Carolina and Cleveland?

ABOVEI'd take a locked in featured back over a backup anyday of the week and twice on sunday....... barring injury or bye week fillin Norwood, Turner, or Jacobs shouldn't be starting for you. Although I may see an outside chance for Jacobs to fall in the endzone twice. Turner will only get work in a blowout.

Very much agreed. Touches trump upside. I would rather have a back that touches the ball 20 times a game than a back that touches the ball 10 times a game, with very very very few exceptions.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

How does the value of these guys rank in comparison to guys like Norwood, Turner, Brandon Jacobs, etc... guys who are contributing more as backups to studs than the so-called studs from Tampa, Oakland, Carolina and Cleveland?

ABOVEI'd take a locked in featured back over a backup anyday of the week and twice on sunday....... barring injury or bye week fillin Norwood, Turner, or Jacobs shouldn't be starting for you. Although I may see an outside chance for Jacobs to fall in the endzone twice. Turner will only get work in a blowout.

Very much agreed. Touches trump upside. I would rather have a back that touches the ball 20 times a game than a back that touches the ball 10 times a game, with very very very few exceptions.

Depends on the situation. In smaller leagues, mediocre starters don't score enought that you would ever want to take them off the bench, whereas backups with the potential to become studs might eventually help your starting lineup. (although I agree that in most leagues this is not the case.)

 

[SSOG]

How does the value of these guys rank in comparison to guys like Norwood, Turner, Brandon Jacobs, etc... guys who are contributing more as backups to studs than the so-called studs from Tampa, Oakland, Carolina and Cleveland?

ABOVEI'd take a locked in featured back over a backup anyday of the week and twice on sunday....... barring injury or bye week fillin Norwood, Turner, or Jacobs shouldn't be starting for you. Although I may see an outside chance for Jacobs to fall in the endzone twice. Turner will only get work in a blowout.

Very much agreed. Touches trump upside. I would rather have a back that touches the ball 20 times a game than a back that touches the ball 10 times a game, with very very very few exceptions.

Depends on the situation. In smaller leagues, mediocre starters don't score enought that you would ever want to take them off the bench, whereas backups with the potential to become studs might eventually help your starting lineup. (although I agree that in most leagues this is not the case.)

Well, yeah, in a 6 or 8 team league I might rather have a Michael Turner than a Reuben Droughns... but I would never start Turner over Droughns in a week where Droughns was going to get 20 touches and Turner might possibly get 10. You just stash Turner and wait for the days when he'll be getting touches, too.