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Ladarius Green's value (1 Viewer)

IMO this will boost Green for sure in the first 4 games, since he'll run a lot of routes he wouldn't have otherwise. How much that carries forward when Gates returns depends on how well he performs in those 4 games. I also think this boosts Woodhead's value, at least in PPR.

 
This guy is the Bryce Browns of TEs. Super athletic, couple big fantasy games, but for some reason unknown to the general public, hasn't earned the trust of his coaches to warrant a bigger part of the gameplan.

His 40 time varies depending on what website you view (4.45-4.53). I don't think he's big enough to play inline. He's a marginally more athletic Coby Fleener, but on a team that doesn't run much double TE sets like the Colts. I think the hype from this news will push the cost to acquire him beyond a good ROI.

 
This is his chance. Could cash in big in FA but I'd rather see him push Gates out of the way and stay in SD. With Gates unable to juice Green has a better chance of staying the starter.

 
This is best case scenario for Green as a value pick. If Gates retired, we'd probably see Green drafted in Rounds 6-8 which is way too high IMO. The threat of Gate's return after his suspension is a very real danger to Green's value as well so I think this news will result in a fair valuation of Green in terms of using a draft pick on him and expected return on investment.

This hype train has been going on way too long. Green has 4 weeks to impress or he's going in the Jared Cook pile.

 
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sspunisher said:
This is best case scenario for Green as a value pick. If Gates retired, we'd probably see Green drafted in Rounds 6-8 which is way too high IMO. The threat of Gate's return after his suspension is a very real danger to Green's value as well so I think this news will result in a fair valuation of Green in terms of using a draft pick on him and expected return on investment.

This hype train has been going on way too long. Green has 4 weeks to impress or he's going in the Jared Cook pile.
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Other than Gates getting cut/traded, this is the best case scenario for Green owners. He'll have all of training camp to prepare as the starter and we'll have a good idea in those four games how good he really is. If he can't produce with the like of Malcom Floyd and Stevie Johnson to contend with then he's not very good.

 
Whats the trade value for Green in a dynasty league right now? In draft pick terms?

I think I am going to cash out.

 
cstu said:
sspunisher said:
This is best case scenario for Green as a value pick. If Gates retired, we'd probably see Green drafted in Rounds 6-8 which is way too high IMO. The threat of Gate's return after his suspension is a very real danger to Green's value as well so I think this news will result in a fair valuation of Green in terms of using a draft pick on him and expected return on investment.

This hype train has been going on way too long. Green has 4 weeks to impress or he's going in the Jared Cook pile.
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Other than Gates getting cut/traded, this is the best case scenario for Green owners. He'll have all of training camp to prepare as the starter and we'll have a good idea in those four games how good he really is. If he can't produce with the like of Malcom Floyd and Stevie Johnson to contend with then he's not very good.
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I don't know, Gates is eligible to participate in every single off-season and preseason activity, so there's no reason to think he won't continue to run with the starters. Green will be rotated in with the 1's to get ready for those first four games but he didn't just become the TE1, in name or practice snaps.

 
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Been holding for this long, not going to sell when he's finally going to get some targets again. He's been severely under-utilized in SD but I expect him to shine in these 4 games and force the Chargers to give him a decent role.

 
Omniscient Deity said:
Been holding for this long, not going to sell when he's finally going to get some targets again. He's been severely under-utilized in SD but I expect him to shine in these 4 games and force the Chargers to give him a decent role.
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Unless you believe Green will parlay this audition into a Martellus Bennett-ish opportunity moving forward, isn't this the exact right time to sell?
 
Sold him last week during a rookie draft to the Gates owner for 2.10. I was short at the RB position (and long at TE) and took RB David Johnson. Also, small roster (19) was taken into consideration. At the time I thought that was pretty good value. Still have two more shares in other leagues. I will probably roll the dice and see how he performs in August and the 1st four games of the season before deciding what to do with him.

 
I own him in every dyno league I'm in. Wouldn't sell for anything less than what his price will be WHEN he hits.

 
Denver724 said:
Sold him last week during a rookie draft to the Gates owner for 2.10. I was short at the RB position (and long at TE) and took RB David Johnson. Also, small roster (19) was taken into consideration. At the time I thought that was pretty good value. Still have two more shares in other leagues. I will probably roll the dice and see how he performs in August and the 1st four games of the season before deciding what to do with him.
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Wow...2.10 seems so cheap to me. I wouldnt have sold him for that prior to Gates suspension. Young freak athlete with an old, PED using, suspended player in front of him, in a good offense with a top end QB. Dude has shined every time he has had a chance - just happened to be playing behind a HOF player. Nothing less than a first round pick would even tempt me personally.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
Denver724 said:
Sold him last week during a rookie draft to the Gates owner for 2.10. I was short at the RB position (and long at TE) and took RB David Johnson. Also, small roster (19) was taken into consideration. At the time I thought that was pretty good value. Still have two more shares in other leagues. I will probably roll the dice and see how he performs in August and the 1st four games of the season before deciding what to do with him.
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Wow...2.10 seems so cheap to me. I wouldnt have sold him for that prior to Gates suspension. Young freak athlete with an old, PED using, suspended player in front of him, in a good offense with a top end QB
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ChuckLiddell said:
Denver724 said:
Sold him last week during a rookie draft to the Gates owner for 2.10. I was short at the RB position (and long at TE) and took RB David Johnson. Also, small roster (19) was taken into consideration. At the time I thought that was pretty good value. Still have two more shares in other leagues. I will probably roll the dice and see how he performs in August and the 1st four games of the season before deciding what to do with him.
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Wow...2.10 seems so cheap to me. I wouldnt have sold him for that prior to Gates suspension. Young freak athlete with an old, PED using, suspended player in front of him, in a good offense with a top end QB. Dude has shined every time he has had a chance - just happened to be playing behind a HOF player. Nothing less than a first round pick would even tempt me personally.
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I probably wouldn't have sold him if Johnson wasn't there and I had a need at RB. But I also got tired of seeing him sit on my roster (especially with a roster so small...19 total that includes a D). Hard to have three TE's (couldn't really even count on him as a bye week fill in before this season) with only 19 players. Oh and I forgot. This is a Superflex so I have to carry at least three starting QB's. So in the end it came down to roster management and needs. And I picked Green up off waivers at the beginning of 2014 so he really cost me nothing.

 
Denver724 said:
ChuckLiddell said:
Denver724 said:
Sold him last week during a rookie draft to the Gates owner for 2.10. I was short at the RB position (and long at TE) and took RB David Johnson. Also, small roster (19) was taken into consideration. At the time I thought that was pretty good value. Still have two more shares in other leagues. I will probably roll the dice and see how he performs in August and the 1st four games of the season before deciding what to do with him.
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Wow...2.10 seems so cheap to me. I wouldnt have sold him for that prior to Gates suspension. Young freak athlete with an old, PED using, suspended player in front of him, in a good offense with a top end QB. Dude has shined every time he has had a chance - just happened to be playing behind a HOF player. Nothing less than a first round pick would even tempt me personally.
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I probably wouldn't have sold him if Johnson wasn't there and I had a need at RB. But I also got tired of seeing him sit on my roster (especially with a roster so small...19 total that includes a D). Hard to have three TE's (couldn't really even count on him as a bye week fill in before this season) with only 19 players. Oh and I forgot. This is a Superflex so I have to carry at least three starting QB's. So in the end it came down to roster management and needs. And I picked Green up off waivers at the beginning of 2014 so he really cost me nothing.
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With a 19 player roster understandable.

 
Papa John said:
Brian Parker, SDC TE ... super sleeper. Extremely athletic. Sound familiar?
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Big, big fan of Parker. He got downfield a lot in school, which would fit here. The Chargers would have a big athleticism advantage up the seams if Parker were to somehow grab the inline role (he was an OT before a TE), with Green sharing the slot with Johnson.

In fact, the Chargers may have an interesting ace at play here. Green could be very, very effective if used situationally on the outside. He brings X qualities for a TE. With both Allen and Johnson playing inside - where both ideally belong - this passing game could make some sense.

 
SD has shown in the past they don't always play their best players. Until they give me a reason to think otherwise it's difficult to get excited.

 
Justin Howe said:
Papa John said:
Brian Parker, SDC TE ... super sleeper. Extremely athletic. Sound familiar?
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Big, big fan of Parker. He got downfield a lot in school, which would fit here. The Chargers would have a big athleticism advantage up the seams if Parker were to somehow grab the inline role (he was an OT before a TE), with Green sharing the slot with Johnson.

In fact, the Chargers may have an interesting ace at play here. Green could be very, very effective if used situationally on the outside. He brings X qualities for a TE. With both Allen and Johnson playing inside - where both ideally belong - this passing game could make some sense.
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He has to make the roster first, which seems very unlikely barring injuries.

 
Just Win Baby said:
Justin Howe said:
Papa John said:
Brian Parker, SDC TE ... super sleeper. Extremely athletic. Sound familiar?
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Big, big fan of Parker. He got downfield a lot in school, which would fit here. The Chargers would have a big athleticism advantage up the seams if Parker were to somehow grab the inline role (he was an OT before a TE), with Green sharing the slot with Johnson.

In fact, the Chargers may have an interesting ace at play here. Green could be very, very effective if used situationally on the outside. He brings X qualities for a TE. With both Allen and Johnson playing inside - where both ideally belong - this passing game could make some sense.
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He has to make the roster first, which seems very unlikely barring injuries.
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Yeah, I would have guessed that he might have had an outside shot at TE3 because Phillips is overpaid but now that Gates is suspended I don't think there is any chance Parker makes the roster without injuries. If Green were to get hurt I don't think they are going to make that big a gamble on someone completely unproven logging major minutes for the first month of the season.

 
Chargers camp primer: Seeing Butler days

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/jul/29/chargers-donald-butler-training-camp/

Excerpt:

• Reich said in June that should tight end Ladarius Green stay healthy, "I'd be shocked if he didn't have his most productive year." Notably, the comment came before he or the team was aware of the news that'd surface in early July: tight end Antonio Gates is suspended the first four games of the season for violating the NFL's performance-enhancing drug policy. Thursday marks the first practice since for Gates, who is eligible to play in the preseason. Green then will see a larger role in his absence. The Chargers are prepared to rely on a group effort, including what they expect is an improved run game, to help mitigate the loss.
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Faust said:
Chargers camp primer: Seeing Butler days

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/jul/29/chargers-donald-butler-training-camp/

Excerpt:

Reich said in June that should tight end Ladarius Green stay healthy, "I'd be shocked if he didn't have his most productive year." Notably, the comment came before he or the team was aware of the news that'd surface in early July: tight end Antonio Gates is suspended the first four games of the season for violating the NFL's performance-enhancing drug policy. Thursday marks the first practice since for Gates, who is eligible to play in the preseason. Green then will see a larger role in his absence. The Chargers are prepared to rely on a group effort, including what they expect is an improved run game, to help mitigate the loss.
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20/377/3... would be his most productive year. So yeah, I would be shocked(and already was last year) if he didn't out-produce that.

 
DerekR said:
Fool me once...
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I don't think there's any fooling in play this season, though.

All owners have been asking for is a chance to see him suck or swim on his own merits, instead of the whim of the coaching staff. Thanks to Gates, he should have every opportunity to provide us with that.

Because so many people have been burned, it's dirt cheap to take a look. :shrug:

 
Freelove said:
DerekR said:
Fool me once...
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I don't think there's any fooling in play this season, though.All owners have been asking for is a chance to see him suck or swim on his own merits, instead of the whim of the coaching staff. Thanks to Gates, he should have every opportunity to provide us with that.

Because so many people have been burned, it's dirt cheap to take a look. :shrug:
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He WAS dirt cheap. Before the suspension I thought he was a nice late round flyer in the mid-200's if you had production in front of him and were focused on upside in your backup. At the mid-100's where he is being drafted now he is surrounded by players with upside that won't be playing in a TEbc for 12 games.

In terms of real football he blocks better than Gates and offers a deep threat so he fills in nicely and (hopefully) earns an even bigger role, or a role, after Gates returns. In terms of FF I think people are kind of setting themseves up to get burned again. Rivers spreads the ball around but he is also a creature of habit in general and anytime Gates/Floyd/Allen/Woodhead are available they will get targeted first. I am pretty heavily invested that Johnson will push Green down to SIXTH in that pecking order.

 
There aren't any higher upside TE's going where Green is now (14.6 in MFL10's since July 15). Are we really at the point now that this is considered a premium pick? We're talking about backups at this point.

Do I really care that I'd have Fleener/Heath Miller/Vernon Davis/Larry Donnell/Clay for 16 games vs. Green for 4 in 1 PPR format? No.

If Green doesn't pan out, dump him for another TE (or play your other drafted TE if you draft one). Several of the aforementioned will be hitting the waiver wire at some point during the season anyway. And you just never know if Green does happen to thrive Week 1 if a Gates owner will decide to cut bait......

I mean here's a list of guys going 1 round before & after Green right now. With the exception of perhaps Palmer and Cutler, doesn't exactly scream upside (to me anyway).

13.06 McKinnon, Jerick MIN RB

13.07 Williams, DeAngelo PIT RB

13.08 Texans, Houston HOU Def

13.09 Bowe, Dwayne CLE WR

13.10 Palmer, Carson ARI QB

13.11 Cutler, Jay CHI QB

13.12 Winston, Jameis TBB QB

14.01 Williams, Andre NYG RB

14.02 Ebron, Eric DET TE

14.03 Donnell, Larry NYG TE

14.04 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR

14.05 Rams, St. Louis STL Def

14.06 Green, Ladarius SDC TE

14.07 Fleener, Coby IND TE

14.08 Crabtree, Michael OAK WR

14.09 Jets, New York NYJ Def

14.10 Dalton, Andy CIN QB

14.11 Royal, Eddie CHI WR

14.12 Artis-Payne, Cameron CAR RB 1

15.01 Jones, Matt WAS RB

15.02 Clay, Charles BUF TE

15.03 Davis, Vernon SFO TE

15.04 Miller, Heath PIT TE

15.05 Mariota, Marcus TEN QB

15.06 Allen, Javorius BAL RB

 
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Not to throw cold water onto the situation, but the Chargers first 4 games suck.

vs Det

@ Cin

@ Min

vs Cle

Honestly, all 4 of those defenses are likely going to land in the top half of the league. Det, Cin, & Min all have upper-echelon cover-LB & S groups. Even if they "give Greene a fair chance" in these games, he might not produce just because you don't beat these teams w/ your TE.

 
bombjack said:
Has he been playing with the starters in the preseason?
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They've been seeming to mix him in with Gates. Though from the game-plus-a-little I got to see, he and Rivers just didn't appear to be on the same page at all, even when Rivers did attempt to target him. A lot of going to the sidelines together after the drive, with Rivers making wild gesticulations showing him what he should have done. I'm not confident. Much more confident Allen/Woodhead/StevieJ get a nice boost for a month.

 
Freelove said:
bombjack said:
Has he been playing with the starters in the preseason?
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They've been seeming to mix him in with Gates. Though from the game-plus-a-little I got to see, he and Rivers just didn't appear to be on the same page at all, even when Rivers did attempt to target him. A lot of going to the sidelines together after the drive, with Rivers making wild gesticulations showing him what he should have done. I'm not confident. Much more confident Allen/Woodhead/StevieJ get a nice boost for a month.
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As he is wont to do.

This is not encouraging, though. Damn it. I wanted to think that with the four week audition they'd realize what they'd been missing and just never look back. If he can't hold off a 35 year old Gates with a permanently bum foot (plantar fascitis) after getting a 4 week head start then he's never going to get it. He's so cheap that I'm still going to buy that lottery ticket, though.

 
FF Ninja said:
Freelove said:
bombjack said:
Has he been playing with the starters in the preseason?
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They've been seeming to mix him in with Gates. Though from the game-plus-a-little I got to see, he and Rivers just didn't appear to be on the same page at all, even when Rivers did attempt to target him. A lot of going to the sidelines together after the drive, with Rivers making wild gesticulations showing him what he should have done. I'm not confident. Much more confident Allen/Woodhead/StevieJ get a nice boost for a month.
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As he is wont to do.

This is not encouraging, though. Damn it. I wanted to think that with the four week audition they'd realize what they'd been missing and just never look back. If he can't hold off a 35 year old Gates with a permanently bum foot (plantar fascitis) after getting a 4 week head start then he's never going to get it. He's so cheap that I'm still going to buy that lottery ticket, though.
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What do you mean by the bold?

 
Freelove said:
bombjack said:
Has he been playing with the starters in the preseason?
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They've been seeming to mix him in with Gates. Though from the game-plus-a-little I got to see, he and Rivers just didn't appear to be on the same page at all, even when Rivers did attempt to target him. A lot of going to the sidelines together after the drive, with Rivers making wild gesticulations showing him what he should have done. I'm not confident. Much more confident Allen/Woodhead/StevieJ get a nice boost for a month.
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:goodposting:

 
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