Lane Kiffin (2 Viewers)

[Don Quixote]

What makes Pola's case different from the Rick Barry case, for example (where he could not play for ABA while under contract with NBA team)?

 

[Christo]

You mean his team that just lost a coach because USC and that coach violated a contract that he had with Fisher's team?And it is not a pointless lawsuit. A lawsuit like this will let other rule-breaking schools and coaches like USC and Kiffin know that, if you break the rules with no regard for anyone else, there will be consequences. I know accountability is a tricky thing in this day and age, but Kiffin and USC are simply gonna be held accountable for their actions.

Look, I hate USC, but it's pretty dang unlikely that they broke any rules. The NCAA is a separate employer from the NFL; a tampering clause in an NFL coach's contract has no bearing on the NCAA. Pola might have breached his contract, but even that is unlikely; a contract that says you must obtain written permission before interviewing for a job with another employer is unenforceable.Anyway, it's just a publicity stunt.

This has nothing to do with breaking a rule. It's interference with contractual rights.

 

[Christo]

Pola might have breached his contract, but even that is unlikely;

Everyone involved admits that this is EXACTLY what happened. The Titans never gave Pola permission to interview and they never gave Kiffin permission to interview him.

a contract that says you must obtain written permission before interviewing for a job with another employer is unenforceable.

How so?

In America, you have the right to look for another job.http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10010724-92.html for one example of a relevant court ruling. "Non-competition agreements are invalid...in California even if narrowly drawn."

Perhaps you can explain how a ruling on the issue of the validity of a non-compete clause is relevant to someone who is actually under contract.

 

[CalBear]

Perhaps you can explain how a ruling on the issue of the validity of a non-compete clause is relevant to someone who is actually under contract.

The relevance is that you can't write contracts which abridge people's rights; they're unenforceable. Despite the best efforts of corporations, U.S. citizens still have some rights.

 

[Christo]

Perhaps you can explain how a ruling on the issue of the validity of a non-compete clause is relevant to someone who is actually under contract.

The relevance is that you can't write contracts which abridge people's rights; they're unenforceable. Despite the best efforts of corporations, U.S. citizens still have some rights.

Every contract "abridges" the parties' "rights." That's the entire purpose. You agree to do something you wouldn't otherwise do in exchange for something the other person wouldn't otherwise give you.Now, could you answer my question?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Perhaps you can explain how a ruling on the issue of the validity of a non-compete clause is relevant to someone who is actually under contract.

The relevance is that you can't write contracts which abridge people's rights; they're unenforceable. Despite the best efforts of corporations, U.S. citizens still have some rights.

Your second sentence is more or less a statement of the obvious, and maybe just some gratuitous rhetoric, but your first sentence is definitely incorrect. The whole point of entering into a contract is to create rights and obligations that otherwise would not exist under common law. You've referenced and linked to the law of non-compete agreements, which are enforceable in most cases if properly drafted. But this isn't a non-compete case and its not a breach of contract case so that is not directly relevant in any case.Its a two-count claim, the first based on Tennessee statute (Tennessee Code Annotated Section 47-50-109 - "It is unlawful for any person, by inducement, persuasion, misrepresentation, or other means, to induce or procure the breach or violation, refusal or failure to perform any lawful contract by any party thereto; and, in every case where a breach or violation of such contract is so procured, the person so procuring or inducing the same shall be liable in treble the amount of damages resulting from or incident to the breach of the contract. The party injured by such breach may bring suit for the breach and for such damages.") and the second a common-law tort claim along the same lines. It is doubtful there is much certainly either way at this point in the process, so I really just take issue with your statements suggesting there is some certainty in the law as to the enforceability of the contract and the merits of the lawsuit.

the complaint is here: http://aolradio.podcast.aol.com/fanhouse/SDOC5914.pdf

 

[vandyt]

CalBear is in a bit over his head here. How is contractual interference the least bit confusing?

 

[sholditch]

For the legal team, what damages can Tennessee realistically claim here? Not like they were selling out of Pola's jerseys. Even if the running game were to seriously flag, it would be near impossible to prove that this was caused by his departure.

Isn't this one of those cases where the Titans are legally right and should win, but it's not worth pursuing because they can't show any real damages?

 

[Christo]

For the legal team, what damages can Tennessee realistically claim here? Not like they were selling out of Pola's jerseys. Even if the running game were to seriously flag, it would be near impossible to prove that this was caused by his departure.Isn't this one of those cases where the Titans are legally right and should win, but it's not worth pursuing because they can't show any real damages?

The hook is punitive damages and attorneys' fees.

 

[Sopranos25]

Nothing was illegal. It was just not protacal. Its not a violation in NFL rules.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Nothing was illegal. It was just not protacal. Its not a violation in NFL rules.

Of course its not illegal. This has nothing to do with NFL Rules or protocol. This is a civil lawsuit in Tennessee state court.

 

[Christo]

Nothing was illegal. It was just not protacal. Its not a violation in NFL rules.

protacal?

 

[sholditch]

For the legal team, what damages can Tennessee realistically claim here? Not like they were selling out of Pola's jerseys. Even if the running game were to seriously flag, it would be near impossible to prove that this was caused by his departure.Isn't this one of those cases where the Titans are legally right and should win, but it's not worth pursuing because they can't show any real damages?

The hook is punitive damages and attorneys' fees.

You can get attorney's fees in Tennessee? Can't in Bama I don't think (not a lawyer). So what are the punitive damages for tortuous interference with a contract?

 

[Christo]

For the legal team, what damages can Tennessee realistically claim here? Not like they were selling out of Pola's jerseys. Even if the running game were to seriously flag, it would be near impossible to prove that this was caused by his departure.Isn't this one of those cases where the Titans are legally right and should win, but it's not worth pursuing because they can't show any real damages?

The hook is punitive damages and attorneys' fees.

You can get attorney's fees in Tennessee? Can't in Bama I don't think (not a lawyer). So what are the punitive damages for tortuous interference with a contract?

Their theory is that this is Kiffin's custom and practice. The purpose of punitive damages is not to reward the plaintiff but to punish the defendant and deter the defendant from acting in the same manner in the future. The defendant's assets and income are taken into consideration when determining punitive damages because if it's determined that punitive damages are warranted the award must be sufficient to deter the defendant from acting in the same manner in the future. Kiffin's contract with USC is $4 million per year. If the jury thinks Kiffin acted maliciously they could hit him with a sizable award.

 

[gandalas]

Nothing was illegal. It was just not protacal. Its not a violation in NFL rules.

protacal?

Can you seriously not interpret that as a misspelling of "protocol"?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Old man shouting at clouds here but what Kiffin just did to Ole Miss - in November - is awful. What LSU is paying him is awful. The millions in player salaries is awful. The landscape of college football today is awful. It’s all awful.

s/ Loyal Tiger Fan

 

[Judge Smails]

I dunno. He gave Ole Miss a great 6 year run. This wasn’t his Tennessee 1 year and done gig. Has had to build through the portal. Other than less pressure, the LSU gig is better in every way than Ole Miss. Forget about his money. It’s recruiting, player money, facilities, stadium, fan base. Could be his last job if he doesn’t crater. There’s nothing bigger in college. That said - he’s still a tool. He can’t control the timeline though. LSU wasn’t going to get left holding the bag with other names signing elsewhere. Other coaches would have jumped at it.

 

[menobrown]

Old man shouting at clouds here but what Kiffin just did to Ole Miss - in November - is awful. What LSU is paying him is awful. The millions in player salaries is awful. The landscape of college football today is awful. It’s all awful.

s/ Loyal Tiger Fan

If this old man can shout back a little.

I understand this can be very geographical but I'm the only person among my friends and people I knew growing up that preferred the pro game over the college game. My friends could never understand this and I had few reasons but two major one's were I thought the players were treated unfairly with respect to how coaches were treated and the lack of a playoff system made me feel empty on the meaning of it all.

So for me, if coaches can get paid millions and have no loyalty I can only be happy that players can do the same. Getting paid is a big part of that, as well as no longer needing to sit out a year. I certainly agree the money for both sides is getting obnoxious, but I got so tired of hearing the coach BS about "it's about the kids" when they got all the money and could leave when they want that I'll happily accept this.

Love the playoff system vs what we grew up on.

But all these coaches leaving teams with conference championship games and playoffs is obnoxiously gross. Fine if you want to leave, but can nothing be done to put a freeze on this kind of stuff until like January? Push back signing day if need be. I don't follow this stuff as much as the NFL so maybe it's been discussed to death already and no solutions exist.

 

[Tha Guru]

Now this was a bump

 

[wlwiles]

Old man shouting at clouds here but what Kiffin just did to Ole Miss - in November - is awful. What LSU is paying him is awful. The millions in player salaries is awful. The landscape of college football today is awful. It’s all awful.

s/ Loyal Tiger Fan

If this old man can shout back a little.

I understand this can be very geographical but I'm the only person among my friends and people I knew growing up that preferred the pro game over the college game. My friends could never understand this and I had few reasons but two major one's were I thought the players were treated unfairly with respect to how coaches were treated and the lack of a playoff system made me feel empty on the meaning of it all.

So for me, if coaches can get paid millions and have no loyalty I can only be happy that players can do the same. Getting paid is a big part of that, as well as no longer needing to sit out a year. I certainly agree the money for both sides is getting obnoxious, but I got so tired of hearing the coach BS about "it's about the kids" when they got all the money and could leave when they want that I'll happily accept this.

Love the playoff system vs what we grew up on.

But all these coaches leaving teams with conference championship games and playoffs is obnoxiously gross. Fine if you want to leave, but can nothing be done to put a freeze on this kind of stuff until like January? Push back signing day if need be. I don't follow this stuff as much as the NFL so maybe it's been discussed to death already and no solutions exist.

The season timeline is too long. 12 regular season games in 14 weeks, then a week for conference championships, then an off week, then the playoff is going to stretch for 5 weeks (one of those is Christmas though). The national championship game is not until January 19. If you wait until that's done to have signing day and the transfer portal open, that will take another couple weeks, but the spring semester of school already began weeks prior. You can't have student athletes transferring into a new university in February.

Maybe there's a way to gain a week or two and end the season earlier. Scrap conference championship games, or give everyone one bye week instead of two. Start the season a week earlier in August...

I agree in principal that allowing transfers and coaches to be poached while the season is still going on (for playoff teams) is terrible. But unless you end the season earlier, or make every university that plays football delay their spring semester start until Feb 1, there's no way to finish the season, have time for transfers, and have the students enrolled prior to school start.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember a couple of years ago against Kentucky, him telling Jaxon Dart to tell the RB to go down and fake an injury. Kiffin did this all the time. So much so that it became a topic of conversation in the SEC. By the way, I loved it that Ky beat Ole Miss that year despite them faking injuries. Yes, he is a tool and I root against him always.

 

[kyoun1e]

But all these coaches leaving teams with conference championship games and playoffs is obnoxiously gross. Fine if you want to leave, but can nothing be done to put a freeze on this kind of stuff until like January? Push back signing day if need be. I don't follow this stuff as much as the NFL so maybe it's been discussed to death already and no solutions exist.

Exactly.

I think this is less of a Kiffin problem vs. more of a NCAA rules problem.

Not that I love what Kiffin did. I'm a big fan of finishing what you started vs. always chasing the next big thing.

 

[Dizzy]

I saw the thread title and thought he was named PHI Eagles new OC.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Wont happen but would be pretty funny if they won the championship without him.

 

[elguapo07]

Wont happen but would be pretty funny if they won the championship without him.

Bill Frieder says hi

 

[pinkstapler]

Old man shouting at clouds here but what Kiffin just did to Ole Miss - in November - is awful. What LSU is paying him is awful. The millions in player salaries is awful. The landscape of college football today is awful. It’s all awful.

s/ Loyal Tiger Fan

If this old man can shout back a little.

I understand this can be very geographical but I'm the only person among my friends and people I knew growing up that preferred the pro game over the college game. My friends could never understand this and I had few reasons but two major one's were I thought the players were treated unfairly with respect to how coaches were treated and the lack of a playoff system made me feel empty on the meaning of it all.

So for me, if coaches can get paid millions and have no loyalty I can only be happy that players can do the same. Getting paid is a big part of that, as well as no longer needing to sit out a year. I certainly agree the money for both sides is getting obnoxious, but I got so tired of hearing the coach BS about "it's about the kids" when they got all the money and could leave when they want that I'll happily accept this.

Love the playoff system vs what we grew up on.

But all these coaches leaving teams with conference championship games and playoffs is obnoxiously gross. Fine if you want to leave, but can nothing be done to put a freeze on this kind of stuff until like January? Push back signing day if need be. I don't follow this stuff as much as the NFL so maybe it's been discussed to death already and no solutions exist.

I am basically same page as you as far as preferring NFL over NCAA football, so this also leaves me behind the 8 ball on most of the intracacies of how everything works, especially with all the changes in recent years. But I do listen to a few podcasts that cover all sports, so I absorb some info. Take with a grain of salt; but what I've heard on the Kiffin situation is that he was perfectly ok with staying to coach Ole Miss through the playoffs and it is actually the school/boosters/other involved parties that told him to pack his bags. The reason is similarly obnoxious and gross though - apparently there's a track record of these lame duck coaches spending more of their remaining time trying to poach players to follow them to their new school than win whatever playoff/bowl game they made. One of the major factors in deciding what school to attend is the coach, so Ole Miss seemingly doesn't want to give Kiffin any extra personal time with the guys and lose half their recruiting class following him to LSU.

So, it would seem the abandonment isn't exactly on Kiffin. But if people would like to stay mad at him he provided other good reasons lol. I heard once Ole Miss gave him the cardboard box treatment he went on to announce that any of his current staff who want a job with him next year ALSO need to leave right now prior to the playoffs. Basically forcing "his guys" on this Ole Miss staff (which I'd assume are most of them) to choose between staying for the kids/program/playoffs or having a guaranteed job next year. I'd imagine most will choose the security of the latter.

One other fun wrinkle I heard, someone with more knowledge please fact check me if I'm wrong; there are new-ish rules where if the HC spot is vacated for whatever reason prior to the end of the season, it reopens the doors for players to reenter the transfer portal. Seems balanced/fair to me; if the coach can bail, so can the players. But apparently, they can't do this till 5 days after the new coach is officially announced. So a school can loophole them by just balking on "officially" hiring a new coach until after the bowl games. College rules always seemed crazy to me, but the past few years it really feels like the wild west anymore. I'm with you that it's nice some power is finally shifting to the players; but seems like they still have a long way to go to get an actual functioning system.

 

[need2know]

No problem with it. There is no loyalty from anybody. Players leave every 5 min for more money. Dont see an issue.

 

[Chemical X]

düsh

 

[JohnnyU]

Once he's fired at LSU he will be coaching a lower tiered program.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Can’t stand him. He still needs to be paying royalties to the ghost of Al Davis.

 

[Capella]

Once he's fired at LSU he will be coaching a lower tiered program.

This guy has gone from the NFL to Tennessee to USC to an OC at Bama to Ole Miss (with a stop at FAU) to LSU and you think he’s going to take a low tier job now? He just had 3 SEC schools fighting over him, if he fails at LSU he’ll just and up at another top-40 program.

 

[Mister CIA]

Once he's fired at LSU he will be coaching a lower tiered program.

I agree with you. If I'm Lane Kiffin, my next (and last) gig is head coach at University of Hawaii.

 

[Desert_Power]

Once he's fired at LSU he will be coaching a lower tiered program.

This guy has gone from the NFL to Tennessee to USC to an OC at Bama to Ole Miss (with a stop at FAU) to LSU and you think he’s going to take a low tier job now? He just had 3 SEC schools fighting over him, if he fails at LSU he’ll just and up at another top-40 program.

You're probably right, but Lane is creative at flaming out. And designing offenses.

 

[General Malaise]

Once he's fired at LSU he will be coaching a lower tiered program.

This guy has gone from the NFL to Tennessee to USC to an OC at Bama to Ole Miss (with a stop at FAU) to LSU and you think he’s going to take a low tier job now? He just had 3 SEC schools fighting over him, if he fails at LSU he’ll just and up at another top-40 program.

Yeah, this isn't Brian Kelly over here. He may be slimy and corny and cheesy and dishonest but for whatever reason, people like him and he'll be fine if LSU fires him. Question then becomes, what happens to LSU if they strike out on splashy coaches a 2nd time and are set back yet again?

In this new landscape, LSU isn't the dream job it once was. The playing field has leveled out considerably and everybody has money to spend. The days of the bagman are over. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's been 6 years since LSU won that title with an all-star roster. Other than Jayden Daniels (who was a transfer in) it hasn't been all huckleberry frogurt and scones.

 

[General Malaise]

The guy didn't even take his dog with him? Now that's cold.

 

[eighsse2]

I hardly know a thing about Lane Kiffin. Saw he signed a big coaching contract recently. Keep hearing people upset about him. I haven't yet figured out what people are upset about, not that I'm exactly digging into it.

 

[General Malaise]

I hardly know a thing about Lane Kiffin. Saw he signed a big coaching contract recently. Keep hearing people upset about him. I haven't yet figured out what people are upset about, not that I'm exactly digging into it.

- Lane coached Ole Miss to its best season in decades, eligible for the playoffs for the first time in school history.
- A few SEC schools that DO have recent championships in their pedigree fired their coaches while the season was still going (Florida, LSU and Auburn).
- Rumors and buzz were that two of the schools (Florida and LSU) were in hot pursuit of Lane. If you had Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady fatigue in years past related to their will he won't he play nauseating indifference that drove headlines and sports talk, that's what this was with Lane. He was non-committal for weeks as speculation swirled all around him. Fatigue set in for me early on. Just make up your damn mind.
- Lane provided the world with a deadline on when he would make his decision on where he would coach, but dragged that out to nauseating degrees as well.
- Lane chose the LSU job after he coached his final game with Ole Miss. Many people in Ole Miss feel betrayed, including players, fans and probably other coaches. He will not coach Ole Miss in their playoff game, should the committee put them in the playoffs (and they should).
- Lane tried to blame the AD at Ole Miss for not letting him coach the Old Miss team in the playoffs, but I'm not sure that was accurate. Some feel Lane was making unreasonable demands and I'm sure Lane feels the AD was being unreasonable. Regardless, a team that just concluded their most successful season in half a century won't have their coach for its conclusion and there's a fanbase that's livid about it.
- Lane prayed to god a lot. Lane left his dog in Oxford. Lane is on Ozempic. He probably killed five hookers with Craig James.

 

[eighsse2]

I hardly know a thing about Lane Kiffin. Saw he signed a big coaching contract recently. Keep hearing people upset about him. I haven't yet figured out what people are upset about, not that I'm exactly digging into it.

- Lane coached Ole Miss to its best season in decades, eligible for the playoffs for the first time in school history.
- A few SEC schools that DO have recent championships in their pedigree fired their coaches while the season was still going (Florida, LSU and Auburn).
- Rumors and buzz were that two of the schools (Florida and LSU) were in hot pursuit of Lane. If you had Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady fatigue in years past related to their will he won't he play nauseating indifference that drove headlines and sports talk, that's what this was with Lane. He was non-committal for weeks as speculation swirled all around him. Fatigue set in for me early on. Just make up your damn mind.
- Lane provided the world with a deadline on when he would make his decision on where he would coach, but dragged that out to nauseating degrees as well.
- Lane chose the LSU job after he coached his final game with Ole Miss. Many people in Ole Miss feel betrayed, including players, fans and probably other coaches. He will not coach Ole Miss in their playoff game, should the committee put them in the playoffs (and they should).
- Lane tried to blame the AD at Ole Miss for not letting him coach the Old Miss team in the playoffs, but I'm not sure that was accurate. Some feel Lane was making unreasonable demands and I'm sure Lane feels the AD was being unreasonable. Regardless, a team that just concluded their most successful season in half a century won't have their coach for its conclusion and there's a fanbase that's livid about it.
- Lane prayed to god a lot. Lane left his dog in Oxford. Lane is on Ozempic. He probably killed five hookers with Craig James.

I see, thanks for that summary. If true, then yeah I can see some reasonable issues there.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I hardly know a thing about Lane Kiffin. Saw he signed a big coaching contract recently. Keep hearing people upset about him. I haven't yet figured out what people are upset about, not that I'm exactly digging into it.

- Lane coached Ole Miss to its best season in decades, eligible for the playoffs for the first time in school history.
- A few SEC schools that DO have recent championships in their pedigree fired their coaches while the season was still going (Florida, LSU and Auburn).
- Rumors and buzz were that two of the schools (Florida and LSU) were in hot pursuit of Lane. If you had Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady fatigue in years past related to their will he won't he play nauseating indifference that drove headlines and sports talk, that's what this was with Lane. He was non-committal for weeks as speculation swirled all around him. Fatigue set in for me early on. Just make up your damn mind.
- Lane provided the world with a deadline on when he would make his decision on where he would coach, but dragged that out to nauseating degrees as well.
- Lane chose the LSU job after he coached his final game with Ole Miss. Many people in Ole Miss feel betrayed, including players, fans and probably other coaches. He will not coach Ole Miss in their playoff game, should the committee put them in the playoffs (and they should).
- Lane tried to blame the AD at Ole Miss for not letting him coach the Old Miss team in the playoffs, but I'm not sure that was accurate. Some feel Lane was making unreasonable demands and I'm sure Lane feels the AD was being unreasonable. Regardless, a team that just concluded their most successful season in half a century won't have their coach for its conclusion and there's a fanbase that's livid about it.
- Lane prayed to god a lot. Lane left his dog in Oxford. Lane is on Ozempic. He probably killed five hookers with Craig James.

He’s gotten better, maybe just at hiding is aholeness, but:
Al Davis called him a disgrace to the organization
He left Ten in the lurch to coach USC
USC fired him on the tarmac after getting blown out by ASU
He’s a nepobaby

 

[General Malaise]

Lane also gave up alcohol and drugs - which happens when you take Ozempic - so it could be that sober Lane is a better version of old Lane.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Lane also gave up alcohol and drugs - which happens when you take Ozempic - so it could be that sober Lane is a better version of old Lane.

Not proven yet, but some texts are surfacing between him and ole miss co-eds

 

[General Malaise]

Lane also gave up alcohol and drugs - which happens when you take Ozempic - so it could be that sober Lane is a better version of old Lane.

Not proven yet, but some texts are surfacing between him and ole miss co-eds

Isn't that what got him in trouble at 'Bama?

 

[Judge Smails]

Lane also gave up alcohol and drugs - which happens when you take Ozempic - so it could be that sober Lane is a better version of old Lane.

Not proven yet, but some texts are surfacing between him and ole miss co-eds

Oof

 

[Joe Bryant]

He’s a nepobaby

I'm far from defending Kiffin, but I don't fault him for having a very successful football coach dad. By all accounts, he earned the opportunities he got. Clearly, he has other issues, but he's an exceptionally talented offensive coach.

His dad, Monte, worked for him as the DC when he was here at UT.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

He’s a nepobaby

I'm far from defending Kiffin, but I don't fault him for having a very successful football coach dad. By all accounts, he earned the opportunities he got. Clearly, he has other issues, but he's an exceptionally talented offensive coach.

His dad, Monte, worked for him as the DC when he was here at UT.

He became a good OC/coach he bombed and screwed over multiple big time organizations figuring that out. He doesn’t get those chances , including the rehab at Alabama, without daddy. Just my opinion. Also my opinion, he’s a world class jerk

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone explain to me his infatuation with having his players fake injuries.