LANE RUMORED TO BE LIVID ABOUT ROSTER MOVES (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

POSTED 10:53 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:01 a.m. EDT, September 2, 2007

LANE LIVID ABOUT ROSTER MOVES

A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is fuming about the final round of roster cuts in Oakland. Though we don't know of any specific moves about which Kiffin is particularly upset, we're told that the bulk of the moves is evidence that owner Al Davis still has a significant amount of influence over the football operation.

Even when what Davis wants conflicts with the wishes of his head coach.

But what's Kiffin gonna do about it? He's a guy who was on no one's radar screen as an NFL head-coaching candidate at the end of the 2006 season, and his selection for the gig likely was influenced by the fact that he'd go along to get along.

Despite the perception that, because Kiffin took the job no one wanted, he must not be very good, we've heard from several media types who are impressed with the former USC assistant. In our view, the mere fact that he didn't shrug in response to moves dictated from above tell us that Lane is his own man.

It might get him fired from his current job, but it could help him land his next job.

from profootballtalk.com

 

[Kub]

As a Raider fan, I am resigned to the fact that we will not win anything until Al is no longer calling the shots. He caught lightning in a bottle with Gruden, but managed to ruin even that by chasing Gruden away to Tampa.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

moses?

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Letting go of S Donovin Darius and DE Quentin Moses was a big shock. Hmmm, interesting article, thanks for posting.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Letting go of S Donovin Darius and DE Quentin Moses was a big shock.

 

[bcr8f]

Despite the perception that, because Kiffin took the job no one wanted, he must not be very good, we've heard from several media types who are impressed with the former USC assistant. In our view, the mere fact that he didn't shrug in response to moves dictated from above tell us that Lane is his own man.It might get him fired from his current job, but it could help him land his next job.from profootballtalk.com

I remember when Marvin Lewis took the job no one wanted one reporter said "He wanted an NFL job in the worst way and that's exactly what he got. "

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I found this to be kind of interesting.....

From SacBee.com 9/1/07: "It's not about talent anymore," Crockett said. "It's a buddy system. It shouldn't be about your familiarity with the coaching staff..."

...Crockett said he would have liked to be let go earlier to try to land a new job. But he said he holds no bitterness toward the many friends he made as a Raider.

"I still love the organization," Crockett said. "The organization has nothing to do with the coaching staff."

 

[Chaos Commish]

So the head coach is reportedly livid with the organization for roster cuts, yet a cut player is pointing the finger at the coaching staff for roster cuts. Smells fishy.

 

[mr. furley]

So the head coach is reportedly livid with the organization for roster cuts, yet a cut player is pointing the finger at the coaching staff for roster cuts. Smells fishy.

gb Raiders fans. i dunno how you people put up with it.

 

[Defenze]

gb Raiders fans. i dunno how you people put up with it.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So the head coach is reportedly livid with the organization for roster cuts, yet a cut player is pointing the finger at the coaching staff for roster cuts. Smells fishy.

Maybe Kiffin is pissed about who they kept more than who they cut????

 

[Chaos Commish]

So the head coach is reportedly livid with the organization for roster cuts, yet a cut player is pointing the finger at the coaching staff for roster cuts. Smells fishy.

Maybe Kiffin is pissed about who they kept more than who they cut????

I think those things might be connected in some mysterious way. Yes, GB Raiders...

 

[Anthony Borbely]

from profootballtalk.com

 

[massraider]

Not for nothing, but if Al Davis were sticking his nose in this, Moses and Darius are the kind of players he would keep, not the ones he would cut. I am not buying this story. Use your head, people.

 

[Kub]

Not for nothing, but if Al Davis were sticking his nose in this, Moses and Darius are the kind of players he would keep, not the ones he would cut. I am not buying this story. Use your head, people.

Not sure what you mean, but Al is notorious for preferring athletic players. Moses is not a terribly athletic player, which was part of the reason I was surprised the Raiders took him in the first place. Darius is nowhere near the athlete that Huff and Schweigert are, so that is no surprise as an Al Davis decision.

 

[joey]

C'mon folks, it all makes so much sense.

Kiffin is pissed cuz players were cut against his will.

A player is pissed cuz the coaches cut him for not being a coach's favorite.

Yeah, the PFT article doesn't sound fishy at all.

 

[massraider]

We will have to disagree. Moses not athletic? Really? How about compared to Jay Richardson, the 5th rounder that made the cut? As for Darius, he was a big name let go by another team. That does not sound like Al? Okaaay...

 

[One]

meh, rumors.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't have any problem with Al Davis making calls here. He's a footballguy. You've probably seen teh NFL Films thing where Gruden talks about the job interview. Gruden was at some of the football scenarios Davis was throwing at him. Huge respect for the guy's football knowledge.

Kiffin needs to get a grip on where he is and why he got the job. Doing what Al says is why many didn't want the job and why he's there.

J

 

[Ozymandias]

I don't have any problem with Al Davis making calls here. He's a footballguy. You've probably seen teh NFL Films thing where Gruden talks about the job interview. Gruden was at some of the football scenarios Davis was throwing at him. Huge respect for the guy's football knowledge.Kiffin needs to get a grip on where he is and why he got the job. Doing what Al says is why many didn't want the job and why he's there.J

If your boss hires you, giving you a huge promotion from the job you previously had, you'd better not go biting the hand that fed you.

 

[massraider]

I would like to know exactly why this move has anyone's fingerprints on it other than Kiffin. Because PFT says so? Al Davis has 40 years worth of track record we can look at, these moves sound like him? Utter nonsense.

These moves are about as far from Al Davis as humanly possible. Quentin Moses, big name DE, all the physical tools, had a down year, and considered a big risk/big upside pick. For pete's sake, check the other Raiders thread, I called this pick after Miller was taken.

Drafting a pass rusher loaded with potential in the 3rd round, and then cutting him, is something Al has never done, not even close.

Donovin Darius? Another big name, let go by his former team. Perfect opportunity for Al to make someoen else look done by resurrecting a vets career. But he is let go in favor of Hiram Eugene and BJ Ward. That sounds like Al? Negative. BTW, when Darius was signed, I predicted he'd have a tough time making the team. Check the Darius threads. I mean, the Jags

cut him for a reason, didn't they?

Other moves that are all Kiffin: Crockett--In favor of Griffith. Crockett has been a Davis favorite forever.

Kevin Boothe: The former 6th round road grader that no longer fits the offensive system. The moment Cable came on board, he was a square peg in a round hole.

This thread drives me nuts because it has been apparant since Kiffin took over that he's running the show. From the emphasis on ST, to the vets getting cut, to the practice tempo, it has been a very positive offseason. And these moves, if anything, show how much power Kiffin has right now.

Slam the Raiders for wasting a 3rd rounder. I am right there with ya. But using this as another excuse to drag up tired old puppet master jokes is lame, because there is simply nothing to support it.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

You're forgetting Whitted, another long time Al Davis favorite.

And massraider is right. If anything, these moves show how much power Kiffin has in Oakland already. Although it's stupid to draft somebody with such a high pick and then get rid of him before the season even started. I could understand that with a fifth round pick or beyond, but 3rd? That's lunatic.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'd like to see this reported somewhere else other than PFT.

 

[mad sweeney]

You're forgetting Whitted, another long time Al Davis favorite.And massraider is right. If anything, these moves show how much power Kiffin has in Oakland already. Although it's stupid to draft somebody with such a high pick and then get rid of him before the season even started. I could understand that with a fifth round pick or beyond, but 3rd? That's lunatic.

Oddly enough the Cards cut their 3rd rounder this year too. But they made up for it with the Raiders' 3rd rounder. I guess they basically traded up to the top of the 3rd but don't have to pay the guy as much now.

 

[massraider]

i will be interested to see what the Cards do with him. He ran LB drills at the combine, and it was not pretty. He is a 4-3 DE, in my opinion.

 

[Bizkiteer]

i will be interested to see what the Cards do with him. He ran LB drills at the combine, and it was not pretty. He is a 4-3 DE, in my opinion.

They are listed as a 4-3 Defense on their site and NFL.com. That is why Berry is still listed as a DE and not a OLB.

 

[fatness]

Anyone hear the radio report referred to partway down this page?

the stork's beak Says:

September 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm

Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritzed list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertantly left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't have any problem with Al Davis making calls here. He's a footballguy. You've probably seen teh NFL Films thing where Gruden talks about the job interview. Gruden was at some of the football scenarios Davis was throwing at him. Huge respect for the guy's football knowledge.Kiffin needs to get a grip on where he is and why he got the job. Doing what Al says is why many didn't want the job and why he's there.J

If your boss hires you, giving you a huge promotion from the job you previously had, you'd better not go biting the hand that fed you.

Exactly Ozy.Even more so when that boss is Al Davis... J

 

[TommyKramer]

Anyone hear the radio report referred to partway down this page?

the stork's beak Says:

September 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm

Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritzed list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertantly left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen.

If the above is true it would explain how both of the following could be true:1.) Lane Kiffin is truly in charge

2.) Lane Kiffin is pissed off that Quentin Moses was released

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Anyone hear the radio report referred to partway down this page?

the stork's beak Says:

September 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm

Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritzed list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertantly left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen.

You've got to be kidding me.

 

[barndog]

Why is this thread topic worth ALL CAPS?!

 

[TheBradyBunch]

http://mvn.com/nfl-cardinals/2007/09/02/th...him-by-mistake/

Thanks Oakland! Cardinals jump on Moses after Raiders reportedly cut him by mistake.

By Mark Wahlstrom | September 2nd, 2007

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In what has to be one of the strangest internet stories i’ve heard in some time, it is being reported all over the Internet and sports fan sites that due to an administrative mistake at the Raiders headquarters 3rd round pick Quentin Moses was mistakenly included in the Raiders cut list to the NFL.

This was the report on the KFFL fan site earlier today:

” Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritized list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertently left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen. “

680 am would be KNBR, the big sports radio station in the Bay area that covers the MLB Giants and SF 49ers. I haven’t heard the reports, but the Cardinals fan sites are covered with similar postings so I’d say where there is smoke, there is fire. I’d suspect that if there is truth to the fact that some staffers at Raiders HQ made a mistake that the story will come out in the next few days as local media up there looks into it.

The bottom line is that with the injury to Chike Okeafor the Arizona Cardinals were desperate for a DE that could bring a pass rush and be a better fit for the hybrid 3-4 scheme they are trying to run this year. To have a prospect like Quentin Moses drop into their laps, and to fill the single biggest area of need on the defense, is an amazing stroke of good luck. Even if Moses isn’t an impact player and is merely “good” thats a substantial degree better for the Cardinals then what they had on final cut downs. It is going to be very interesting to see how Moses fits with the Cardinals and if the potential he showed at U of GA can be realized here in Arizona.

Like I said, even if he’s just average or good, we owe the guys from the black hole a big thank you for helping us plug our single biggest area of need, no matter how it happened that Quentin Moses turned up on waivers.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Anyone hear the radio report referred to partway down this page?

the stork's beak Says:

September 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm

Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritzed list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertantly left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen.

You've got to be kidding me.

Note to Lane Kiffin...read cut list before hitting SEND...

 

[Vision6]

i dont believe this story, they dont really state any facts. And if Al was really pulling strings Alvis Whitted will still be on the team lol.

 

[Keith Lewis]

The day Al Davis dies is the day the Raiders will get a clue. I'd say about 75% of my Raider faithful friends believe this to be true, it really sucks for them but must say I enjoy them being the laughing stock of the NFL.

 

[King_Kelly]

So........the decision-making regarding the Raiders' personnel is a complete mess and the coach has little to no say regarding what's going on. What a shocker.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't have any problem with Al Davis making calls here. He's a footballguy. You've probably seen teh NFL Films thing where Gruden talks about the job interview. Gruden was at some of the football scenarios Davis was throwing at him. Huge respect for the guy's football knowledge.Kiffin needs to get a grip on where he is and why he got the job. Doing what Al says is why many didn't want the job and why he's there.J

...but should a mummy / zombie be calling the shots in Oakland?

 

[Chaos Commish]

If the Raiders made a mistake would not the roster have been reduced to 52? It wasn't. It wasn't a mistake. Some dupe on a message board repeats something he thinks he may have heard and everyone runs with it. Be smarter than them.

 

[Keith Lewis]

POSTED 10:53 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:01 a.m. EDT, September 2, 2007

LANE LIVID ABOUT ROSTER MOVES

A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is fuming about the final round of roster cuts in Oakland. Though we don't know of any specific moves about which Kiffin is particularly upset, we're told that the bulk of the moves is evidence that owner Al Davis still has a significant amount of influence over the football operation.

Even when what Davis wants conflicts with the wishes of his head coach.

But what's Kiffin gonna do about it? He's a guy who was on no one's radar screen as an NFL head-coaching candidate at the end of the 2006 season, and his selection for the gig likely was influenced by the fact that he'd go along to get along.

Despite the perception that, because Kiffin took the job no one wanted, he must not be very good, we've heard from several media types who are impressed with the former USC assistant. In our view, the mere fact that he didn't shrug in response to moves dictated from above tell us that Lane is his own man.

It might get him fired from his current job, but it could help him land his next job.

from profootballtalk.com

"it wasn't that he wasn't doing everything we asked, just that in the end we had other people who we thought could help us more. We didn't worry about where a guy was drafted or how much they were paid, we took the best 53 players for us." Lane Kiffin on MosesOnce again profootballtalk.com making utter garbage up, the National Enquirer of the NFL.

 

[Despyzer]

Once again profootballtalk.com making utter garbage up, the National Enquirer of the NFL.

I know, they made up some weird story about Michael Vick being involved in a dog fighting ring a few months ago that really got blown out of proportion.

 

[BigJim®]

from profootballtalk.com

I'd like to see this reported somewhere else other than PFT.

I love the guys who hop into a PFT report thread and their only contribution (sometimes twice just to make sure no one missed it) is questioning PFT as a source. What Borbely, waiting for a 'credible' source such as ESPN or CBS to confirm? Yeah, that would be gospel. Why anyone would doubt the story of Davis trumping personnel decisions and a new coach feeling like his toes were stepped on is beyond me.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

from profootballtalk.com

I'd like to see this reported somewhere else other than PFT.

I love the guys who hop into a PFT report thread and their only contribution (sometimes twice just to make sure no one missed it) is questioning PFT as a source. What Borbely, waiting for a 'credible' source such as ESPN or CBS to confirm? Yeah, that would be gospel. Why anyone would doubt the story of Davis trumping personnel decisions and a new coach feeling like his toes were stepped on is beyond me.

Maybe it is because PFT has a track record of tossing rumors out there, in the hope that some stick. I think anyone has a right to question something if PFT is the only source. It doesn't mean it may not be true, but PFT certainly is not accurate enough to take at their word.

 

[BigJim®]

from profootballtalk.com

I'd like to see this reported somewhere else other than PFT.

I love the guys who hop into a PFT report thread and their only contribution (sometimes twice just to make sure no one missed it) is questioning PFT as a source. What Borbely, waiting for a 'credible' source such as ESPN or CBS to confirm? Yeah, that would be gospel. Why anyone would doubt the story of Davis trumping personnel decisions and a new coach feeling like his toes were stepped on is beyond me.

Maybe it is because PFT has a track record of tossing rumors out there, in the hope that some stick. I think anyone has a right to question something if PFT is the only source. It doesn't mean it may not be true, but PFT certainly is not accurate enough to take at their word.

I'd hazzard that PFT has been more accurate than ESPN over the past two years.

 

[fatness]

It doesn't mean it may not be true, but PFT certainly is not accurate enough to take at their word.

Is there a "rumor" site you feel does a better job than profootballtalk.com?Or are you just against posting things early, because some of them may be wrong?I find PFT to be a good source. I understand that they report what they hear, and that some of it may not turn out to be true. They attribute what they hear, they follow the stories as they pan out or are exposed as bogus, and any critical reader can easily see that they don't claim to be right all the time. Being early is good, as long as readers aren't stupid enough to believe that rumors are facts. Frankly the accuracy of the the "credible" news sites has been declining while PFT has, if anything, improved. The difference is that credible news sites always report things as "true facts" when some are not. PFT lets readers know up front that it's a rumor and heresay site.

 

[fatness]

ESPN

Raiders third-rounder Quentin Moses, a defensive end, was released even though he had a partial guarantee to his contract.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Maybe Kiffin is pissed at the cuts he made retrospectively.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It doesn't mean it may not be true, but PFT certainly is not accurate enough to take at their word.

Is there a "rumor" site you feel does a better job than profootballtalk.com?Or are you just against posting things early, because some of them may be wrong?

I find PFT to be a good source. I understand that they report what they hear, and that some of it may not turn out to be true. They attribute what they hear, they follow the stories as they pan out or are exposed as bogus, and any critical reader can easily see that they don't claim to be right all the time. Being early is good, as long as readers aren't stupid enough to believe that rumors are facts.

Frankly the accuracy of the the "credible" news sites has been declining while PFT has, if anything, improved. The difference is that credible news sites always report things as "true facts" when some are not. PFT lets readers know up front that it's a rumor and heresay site.

They get 1 in 500 correct. whoooopeee

 

[pgreenfan]

What a gift for the Cardinals if this is true.

 

[packersfan]

from profootballtalk.com

I'd like to see this reported somewhere else other than PFT.

I love the guys who hop into a PFT report thread and their only contribution (sometimes twice just to make sure no one missed it) is questioning PFT as a source. What Borbely, waiting for a 'credible' source such as ESPN or CBS to confirm? Yeah, that would be gospel. Why anyone would doubt the story of Davis trumping personnel decisions and a new coach feeling like his toes were stepped on is beyond me.

Maybe it is because PFT has a track record of tossing rumors out there, in the hope that some stick. I think anyone has a right to question something if PFT is the only source. It doesn't mean it may not be true, but PFT certainly is not accurate enough to take at their word.

I'd hazzard that PFT has been more accurate than ESPN over the past two years.

Easily. I'd say they get about 90% of their rumors correct. They were WAY out in front of the national media in terms of the Vick story as an example. There is a reason why it's called "the rumor mill." People need to remember that. PFT has gotten a lot better in my opinion in terms of solidifying the rumors they hear in the past few years.

 

[Despyzer]

That three of the players cut on the last day by the Raiders (Moses, starting G Kevin Booth, and S Eric Framton) were claimed a day after they were released indicates that something is still pretty messed up in Oakland. Blame it on whoever you like, but their roster is not so rich and deep that other teams should be clamoring for their castoffs.