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Yeah yeah, I know about the past threads on LJ handcuff, but I'm reading this one right now, so hence the question about the handcuff. Re: Losman. You can have him. Big Ben only comes along once in a blue moon. If I'm scheming the Bills, I make him show me he can hit Evans or Moulds often enough to make a dent. I sure don't let McGahee beat me.Wolf
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
Just give us a spot where you would draft him. Assume you are playing with idiots. Where could you no longer resist.Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Dodge questions much?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
Unlucky
Phenom
LJ started/was featured for the last 6 games in KC last year. His numbers:
Now, those aren't great D's - SD twice, OAK twice, TEN, and DEN. However, those are some great numbers. Average per game: 18 carries, 90 yds, 40 rec yds, and 1.8 TDsI'd love to see where Barlow even put up numbers even close to this. Oh wait, Barlow's career high TDs is 7 in a 16 game season. Johnson scored 11 in 6 games. This would be a case of people not willing to take a chance because they haven't seen for sure that a player can produce. Priest should have easily been the #1 overall fantasy pick the last 3 years, but he hasn't been because people will always have doubts or make excuses.
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| 12 sdg | 10 43 | 7 | 1 || 13 oak | 20 118 | 56 | 2 || 14 ten | 7 104 | 19 | 2 || 15 den | 30 151 | 0 | 2 || 16 oak | 25 79 | 43 | 2 || 17 sdg | 17 46 | 115 | 2 |Lord Farquaad
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-...ar?sort_col_1=7SD and Denver are top 5 against the run, statistically. So at least 3 of his 6 games were against tough run defenses.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
hahah well playing with idiots or experts probably wouldn't matter but to be honest, given a standard league say with 12 teams, standard starting positions, I would probably draft him in the late 3rd early 4th round IF he starts, not so much because I think he is worthly of that draft spot but because I KNOW someone would probably pay a nice price. Then again, if that was the case, he would have been drafted in the 1st or 2nd.The reason I can't accurately answer this question is because without a doubt, if he was the starter this year, he would be drafted BEFORE I was willing to draft him. But, say I am playing with people who have no idea he's starting. I would then shoot late 3rd, early 4th with the assumption that I am solid at QB and RB before those rounds.Just give us a spot where you would draft him. Assume you are playing with idiots. Where could you no longer resist.Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
amnesiac
beer is good
Wow, you're really down on this kid. What don't you like about his game? Do you think he has bad vision, or isn't a good reciever, or doesn't hit the holes well? Do you think he's slow, or tends to get nicked up? You have to have some kind of reason why you wouldn't draft a starting RB late 3rd round. I'm curious why you think he' d be such a flop.
jurb26
Footballguy
Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
It is a hypothetical situation with set rules that are defined. It takes away all specualtion yet you have continued to create specuation after speculation to avoid the HYPOTHETICAL question. Gee, wonder why people think you are avoiding the question.
I want more of a history before I'm going to draft a RB that early. Am I going to draft Chris Brown since he's the starting RB in the first few rounds? No.It's a farce to draft a RB simply because he's their starter. I hate that I keep harping on this but Barlow was a PRIME example last year. If this thread was about Barlow and I was saying the same thing, I would be getting ripped since most of the "experts" touted him as a projected stud.
What I don't like about LJ for me to feel confident he's a worth first round pick (given that he would start):
1. Heart. Remember him being questioned about having heart by his own coach?
2. Lack of historical numbers. Please. Give me ONE full year where he is a top producer and that will prove me wrong and I will retract what I've said about him. The fact is that for me, I want a RB who has shown me something for at least an ENTIRE season, at minimum, if I'm going to draft him first round, even more so first pick overall.
3. How can you bypass SA, LT or Peyton for a back that has glaring question marks? That's like hitting on 18 in black jack, defy the odds, because you THINK your going to hit 21.
4. I don't buy into the "plug anyone in KC system and they will be a top back" as a reason to draft him #1 overall which is obviously why people would. People said that about Denver last year and did they produce a top back? No.
5. A season where defenses will key up knowing Priest is nowhere and they can focus on stopping LJ I strongly think will show LJ will not produce close to the numbers as a #1 overal pick.
Perhaps you haven't read all the thread?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
I've answered all questions....
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Muahahaha
Footballguy
All I know from reading this is that you better have a draft position in the top 4 or you are going to have go through the season without a RB....I have never read a thread with somebody that has such a black & white view of RBs & can't even rank order them.Let's see Cream & Clear's RB prereguisites:Perhaps you haven't read all the thread?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
1. At least 2 year's starting history.
2. No injury history.
3. No capable backup.
4. Extraordinary strong supporting cast.
5. S on chest.
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Again, it looks like you haven't really read my messages on here. The list you just gave, I've never said they must have two years starting history, no injury, no capable backup or extraordinary stong supporting cast. Perhaps you are talking about another poster on here since I really have no clue where you came up with the 5 points above pertaining to me.All I know from reading this is that you better have a draft position in the top 4 or you are going to have go through the season without a RB....I have never read a thread with somebody that has such a black & white view of RBs & can't even rank order them.Let's see Cream & Clear's RB prereguisites:Perhaps you haven't read all the thread?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
1. At least 2 year's starting history.
2. No injury history.
3. No capable backup.
4. Extraordinary strong supporting cast.
5. S on chest.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
Again, it looks like you haven't really read my messages on here. The list you just gave, I've never said they must have two years starting history, no injury, no capable backup or extraordinary stong supporting cast. Perhaps you are talking about another poster on here since I really have no clue where you came up with the 5 points above pertaining to me.All I know from reading this is that you better have a draft position in the top 4 or you are going to have go through the season without a RB....I have never read a thread with somebody that has such a black & white view of RBs & can't even rank order them.Perhaps you haven't read all the thread?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?
Let me know about your league, PM me.
Let's see Cream & Clear's RB prereguisites:
1. At least 2 year's starting history.
2. No injury history.
3. No capable backup.
4. Extraordinary strong supporting cast.
5. S on chest.
Name 24 RBs you WOULD draft.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yeah, you gave me that answer after I said you were avoiding the question.OK, so late third, early 4th. That means that you feel that Larry Johnson, with Holmes not even in the picture, is no better than about RB25 or so?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
I PROMISE that if my league ever has an opening, you will get a PM at light speed.
Edit to add : Actually, you must think he's worse than RB25 because you said you'd only take him there as trade bait. So what you're saying is that you'd rather have J.J. Arrington, Cedrick Benson, Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Warrick Dunn, Kevan Barlow, Duce Staley, Lee Suggs, Chris Brown - guys like that - over Larry Johnson as the unquestioned starter for Kansas City?
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I do have to say that I can't believe this thread has continued but at least a theme has shown it's ugly head:1. People hypothesize that LJ, if given the starting job, SHOULD be the #1 overal pick.2. Person disagrees3. People argue that person who doesn't agree with them and demands to know why!4. Person gives reason5. People STILL argue with that person who doesn't agree with themRule of thumb people: Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you are incorrect when it comes to a hypothesis but most importantly, when you ask for a reason why they view it differently, don't attack them afterwards when you get the answer you don't agree with.
Let me know but I take it that in your league he would be a clear cut #1 overall draft pick so it doesn't matter where I think he should be drafted. Then again, if a slot opens up and you invite me and I got the #1 overall pick, I'll draft him there and then you can trade me your 1st and 2nd round pick in return, since LJ will be YOUR clear cut #1.Yeah, you gave me that answer after I said you were avoiding the question.OK, so late third, early 4th. That means that you feel that Larry Johnson, with Holmes not even in the picture, is no better than about RB25 or so?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
I PROMISE that if my league ever has an opening, you will get a PM at light speed.
Edit to add : Actually, you must think he's worse than RB25 because you said you'd only take him there as trade bait. So what you're saying is that you'd rather have J.J. Arrington, Cedrick Benson, Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Warrick Dunn, Kevan Barlow, Duce Staley, Lee Suggs, Chris Brown - guys like that - over Larry Johnson as the unquestioned starter for Kansas City?
Edit: Never said he would be worse than RB25, I assume your league also drafts QB,WR and TE 
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jurb26
Footballguy
LJ is currently goin as RB31 as a BACK-UP! So as the UNDISPUTED STARTER on the team with the BEST oline in the NFL, with the coach with the BEST track record for stud FF RBs, and for a RB who PROVED last year capable of maintianing that status, you would only take him 6 spots higher. OK.... 
amnesiac
beer is good
I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't think people are arguing your assertion that he shouldn't be the #1 pick as much as no-one can believe you're saying that LJ with a guaranteed starting role isn't worth more than a 4th round pick.... and at the same time telling people you'd "love to be in [their] leagues" for disagreeing with you.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
No, I said I'd take him 3rd, after LT2 and Alexander. I WOULD take him over Edgerrin James, which is what started all this.And before you use theLet me know but I take it that in your league he would be a clear cut #1 overall draft pick so it doesn't matter where I think he should be drafted. Then again, if a slot opens up and you invite me and I got the #1 overall pick, I'll draft him there and then you can trade me your 1st and 2nd round pick in return, since LJ will be YOUR clear cut #1.Yeah, you gave me that answer after I said you were avoiding the question.OK, so late third, early 4th. That means that you feel that Larry Johnson, with Holmes not even in the picture, is no better than about RB25 or so?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
I PROMISE that if my league ever has an opening, you will get a PM at light speed.
Edit to add : Actually, you must think he's worse than RB25 because you said you'd only take him there as trade bait. So what you're saying is that you'd rather have J.J. Arrington, Cedrick Benson, Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Warrick Dunn, Kevan Barlow, Duce Staley, Lee Suggs, Chris Brown - guys like that - over Larry Johnson as the unquestioned starter for Kansas City?
- late third/early fourth round in most leagues (and DEFINITELY in mine) would put you around the 24th or 25th RB taken. So if you're "only going to take him that high to trade him to someone else" then you surely can't imagine he'd produce better than RB25, otherwise you'd take him earlier, right? I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
Agree and that's why we play this wonderful game. Last year I was NOT high on Barlow and many leaguemates and posters on message boards ripped me for it. I've been right and wrong many times but what I won't nor will never do again, is draft a player who hasn't played at least a full solid season in the pros in the first few rounds in ANY fantasy football draft. That's just me though.
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I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
This is standard M.O. - somebody makes a point argumentatively, takes a beat down, then plays the "why is everyone picking on me" card. Lame.Ok, then let me correct myself, I would gladly trade your LJ and you give me Edge and your second round pick, that way you can make a huge upgrade at RB. I will gladly take Edge off your hands.I rolled my eyes because you forgot to mention WR and QB that could possibly be drafted before I would draft LJ. Unless you are saying that every pick is a RB?No, I said I'd take him 3rd, after LT2 and Alexander. I WOULD take him over Edgerrin James, which is what started all this.And before you use theLet me know but I take it that in your league he would be a clear cut #1 overall draft pick so it doesn't matter where I think he should be drafted. Then again, if a slot opens up and you invite me and I got the #1 overall pick, I'll draft him there and then you can trade me your 1st and 2nd round pick in return, since LJ will be YOUR clear cut #1.Yeah, you gave me that answer after I said you were avoiding the question.OK, so late third, early 4th. That means that you feel that Larry Johnson, with Holmes not even in the picture, is no better than about RB25 or so?Why do you think I'm avoiding the question? You pose a question that's almost impossible for me to realistically answer so you want a guess answer then I gave you one above.My league has been full for years - not likely to change anytime soon. I really just want to know where you'd feel LJ would represent value if you were in a redraft league and Holmes was guaranteed out for the year. Would you take him at 2.7 for example? Why do you continue to avoid this question?Depends on the league setup but I would not draft LJ at all because there's always one sucker who will believe in the LJ kool-aid and draft him top 5.Let me know about your league, PM me.Answer the question. Given the hypothetical laid out in this thread, that Holmes is out for the season with no hope of playing until next year - where do you draft LJ if your draft is tomorrow?Contact me then if this happens. Would gladly join your league.Are you even following this thread? the discussion surrounds a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which Holmes is forced to sit out the entire year. If that actually occurs, and you want to draft Manning, Edge, McGahee, McAllister, etc. in front of Johnson, I would gladly have you in my league.Where would YOU take him if the aforementioned scenario were to play itself out? Is he even a first-round choice? Second? Third?Then please stop saying how great LJ will be when it won't even happen this year.
I'll come back to this thread if Priest gets traded and/or has season ending surgery before the draft and let me know where you drafted LJ.
LJ a top pick.
I PROMISE that if my league ever has an opening, you will get a PM at light speed.
Edit to add : Actually, you must think he's worse than RB25 because you said you'd only take him there as trade bait. So what you're saying is that you'd rather have J.J. Arrington, Cedrick Benson, Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Warrick Dunn, Kevan Barlow, Duce Staley, Lee Suggs, Chris Brown - guys like that - over Larry Johnson as the unquestioned starter for Kansas City?
I'm a big boy and have yet to get a beat down, in fact, I don't think anyone has proven what I've said to be incorrect yet. I meant the posting above more as a teaching lesson than a cry fest. Guess you didn't take it that way. Funny, but I don't have to rip YOUR opinions inorder to get post cred in here but I guess you don't feel the same way.Have at it then, rip away. So, am I crying enough yet and did you beat me down to the point where it's a fact LJ should be #3 or #4 off your board?I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
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I didn't say I'd trade you James AND a second rounder for LJ, but if you offered me LJ straight up for Edge, I'd take it. Where are you getting this second round pick stuff?And no, I'm not saying every pick is an RB, but if you're talking late third, early fourth - that's somewhere around pick 35-40. If 3 QBs, 7 WRs, and 24 RBs are taken in the first 34 picks (VERY likely) - then a late third round pick WOULD be RB25. What about this don't you follow?
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Evilgrin 72
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I think you're now officially crying enough. I'll back off.Just remember - you were the one who started by saying anyone who disagreed with you was "insane" and asking if you could get in my league because I disagreed with you, so excuse me if I don't let you off looking like the innocent victim here.I'm a big boy and have yet to get a beat down, in fact, I don't think anyone has proven what I've said to be incorrect yet. I meant the posting above more as a teaching lesson than a cry fest. Guess you didn't take it that way. Funny, but I don't have to rip YOUR opinions inorder to get post cred in here but I guess you don't feel the same way.Have at it then, rip away. So, am I crying enough yet and did you beat me down to the point where it's a fact LJ should be #3 or #4 off your board?I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
Can you post anything w/o ripping on someone? Lame. I follow what you are saying but don't agree with you. Again, would gladly accept an invite to any league you are in.By the way, you would have to throw in your 2nd or I would find another leaguemate who thinks like you and belives LJ is worth my spot. I would gladly trade my first round pick for a late first rounder and early second rounder.
You, back off? Don't think that's possible. But that's the first smart thing you've said in this thread to date.I think you're now officially crying enough. I'll back off.Just remember - you were the one who started by saying anyone who disagreed with you was "insane" and asking if you could get in my league because I disagreed with you, so excuse me if I don't let you off looking like the innocent victim here.I'm a big boy and have yet to get a beat down, in fact, I don't think anyone has proven what I've said to be incorrect yet. I meant the posting above more as a teaching lesson than a cry fest. Guess you didn't take it that way. Funny, but I don't have to rip YOUR opinions inorder to get post cred in here but I guess you don't feel the same way.Have at it then, rip away. So, am I crying enough yet and did you beat me down to the point where it's a fact LJ should be #3 or #4 off your board?I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
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I doubt it. Seeing as you said you'd pass on LJ until round 4, if you had the third pick, I would let you take Edge and then happily select Johnson #4.
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BigTex
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Hey Cream, are you in a dynasty league, redraft.................?I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
Evilgrin 72
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Evilgrin 72
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I have to leave work soon anyway, so he'll get a reprieve regardless.TCTC - I respect your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just be cognizant of the fact that if you start off on the attack, don't be surprised if someone snaps back. Icypots to ya.
Typically redraft only because I couldn't get the people in the $ leagues to commit but this year one league is going to change to a x man keeper leagueHey Cream, are you in a dynasty league, redraft.................?I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Gotcha!!Typically redraft only because I couldn't get the people in the $ leagues to commit but this year one league is going to change to a x man keeper leagueHey Cream, are you in a dynasty league, redraft.................?I'd draft him 3rd overall, but I personally have seen enough to make that decision.That's cool if you think that's too high, I just don't get why you're calling people "insane" and saying things like "I wish you were in my league." I think we can have an interesting discussion without that stuff. I hope you kids all have a good night!
