Las Vegas corporate greed on the strip (3 Viewers)

[Bob Sacamano]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

 

[msudaisy26]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is my favorite game and in my last few experiences there I will say we either win a lot or get totally wrecked. I honestly can't remember the last time I sat at a Pai Gow table and played for 3 hours and stayed pretty even.

 

[msudaisy26]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

It is semantics, but I wouldn't say better value. There are still ways to get great value, but it used to be easier to get value. Now you have to look for it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

If this thread isn't for you, that's cool. Others have chimed in about the current cost of things like resort fees, price of food and drink, ubers and taxis, parking, etc., so I'm not making this up by my lonesome. It used to not be this way and we can talk about that if we want to

Huh? I am one of the people that chimed in and told you those prices were wrong.

You were talking about a vacation there, I am telling you it probably isn't for you. Can you get ripped off and gouged in Vegas? Yeah welcome to any tourist destination on the planet.

Ok, thanks. You seem to be hell bent on being combative with me. I'm going to respectfully ask you to to cease this. At least with me.

 

[Softballguy]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. Except for server based machines, in order to change the RTP they have to open the machine, change it, log it with the gaming commission, etc. It's a pain to do. Server based machines could theorethically be changed remotely, but have to follow the same idle rules and notifying the change to the gaming commission. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

That's not how it works for video poker. Gaming laws require the cards be dealt with each card having the same probability on every single deal. So unlike slot machines, casinos cannot tinker with how often a machine hits. What they can do is change the pay tables so you receive more or less coins with each type of win.

You clearly aren't trying to be accurate with so many of the things you're saying, so I'll just let you go on with your misinformation an move on. Cheers.

 

[Todem]

I go to Vegas to have fun, not sit mindlessly at a video poker game for hours at a time just to earn some free stuff. Live it up dudes. Worry about the money in other areas

Oh believe me I live it up.....the gambling on the strip sucks now......simple as that.

 

[JohnnyU]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. Except for server based machines, in order to change the RTP they have to open the machine, change it, log it with the gaming commission, etc. It's a pain to do. Server based machines could theorethically be changed remotely, but have to follow the same idle rules and notifying the change to the gaming commission. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

That's not how it works for video poker. Gaming laws require the cards be dealt with each card having the same probability on every single deal. So unlike slot machines, casinos cannot tinker with how often a machine hits. What they can do is change the pay tables so you receive more or less coins with each type of win.

You clearly aren't trying to be accurate with so many of the things you're saying, so I'll just let you go on with your misinformation an move on. Cheers.

You're right about video poker....I believe. I was talking about any other slot machines. I know more about the RTP and gaming commission rules with respect to slots. The house has less advantage with video poker compared to slots.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

It is semantics, but I wouldn't say better value. There are still ways to get great value, but it used to be easier to get value. Now you have to look for it.

I used to be able to sit in a sports book and place a couple of crappy $10 bets and get 6-7 hours of free beer. I just had to be able to show a waitress I had A ticket for A game that was going on at that time. I can't work or look hard enough to get back to that. If you know of a place I can drop a small vig and drink "free" for 6-7 hours while watching the NFL games, I'd greatly appreciate that info.

As it is, we can hit up places like The Front Yard and eat and drink (better beer) for that time frame for cheap. But there are some things that aren't obtainable, no matter how hard you work them.

 

[msudaisy26]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

It is semantics, but I wouldn't say better value. There are still ways to get great value, but it used to be easier to get value. Now you have to look for it.

I used to be able to sit in a sports book and place a couple of crappy $10 bets and get 6-7 hours of free beer. I just had to be able to show a waitress I had A ticket for A game that was going on at that time. I can't work or look hard enough to get back to that. If you know of a place I can drop a small vig and drink "free" for 6-7 hours while watching the NFL games, I'd greatly appreciate that info.

As it is, we can hit up places like The Front Yard and eat and drink (better beer) for that time frame for cheap. But there are some things that aren't obtainable, no matter how hard you work them.

We don't do a lot of sports watching a nd betting when we are out there, but if I remember I will check it out next time we go.

 

[msudaisy26]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

If this thread isn't for you, that's cool. Others have chimed in about the current cost of things like resort fees, price of food and drink, ubers and taxis, parking, etc., so I'm not making this up by my lonesome. It used to not be this way and we can talk about that if we want to

Huh? I am one of the people that chimed in and told you those prices were wrong.

You were talking about a vacation there, I am telling you it probably isn't for you. Can you get ripped off and gouged in Vegas? Yeah welcome to any tourist destination on the planet.

Ok, thanks. You seem to be hell bent on being combative with me. I'm going to respectfully ask you to to cease this. At least with me.

Just trying to help you out with my personal experience. Next time just tell us you want to complain about something whether you are correct or not and we will let you go to town.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

 

[JohnnyU]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

If this thread isn't for you, that's cool. Others have chimed in about the current cost of things like resort fees, price of food and drink, ubers and taxis, parking, etc., so I'm not making this up by my lonesome. It used to not be this way and we can talk about that if we want to

Huh? I am one of the people that chimed in and told you those prices were wrong.

You were talking about a vacation there, I am telling you it probably isn't for you. Can you get ripped off and gouged in Vegas? Yeah welcome to any tourist destination on the planet.

Ok, thanks. You seem to be hell bent on being combative with me. I'm going to respectfully ask you to to cease this. At least with me.

Just trying to help you out with my personal experience. Next time just tell us you want to complain about something whether you are correct or not and we will let you go to town.

You can't help yourself, can you? I'm going to remain respectful, whether you do or not. Probably best to just stop.

 

[msudaisy26]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

 

[msudaisy26]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

If this thread isn't for you, that's cool. Others have chimed in about the current cost of things like resort fees, price of food and drink, ubers and taxis, parking, etc., so I'm not making this up by my lonesome. It used to not be this way and we can talk about that if we want to

Huh? I am one of the people that chimed in and told you those prices were wrong.

You were talking about a vacation there, I am telling you it probably isn't for you. Can you get ripped off and gouged in Vegas? Yeah welcome to any tourist destination on the planet.

Ok, thanks. You seem to be hell bent on being combative with me. I'm going to respectfully ask you to to cease this. At least with me.

Just trying to help you out with my personal experience. Next time just tell us you want to complain about something whether you are correct or not and we will let you go to town.

You can't help yourself, can you? I'm going to remain respectful, whether you do or not. Probably best to just stop.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Brew Swillis]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. Except for server based machines, in order to change the RTP they have to open the machine, change it, log it with the gaming commission, etc. It's a pain to do. Server based machines could theorethically be changed remotely, but have to follow the same idle rules and notifying the change to the gaming commission. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

That's not how it works for video poker. Gaming laws require the cards be dealt with each card having the same probability on every single deal. So unlike slot machines, casinos cannot tinker with how often a machine hits. What they can do is change the pay tables so you receive more or less coins with each type of win.

You clearly aren't trying to be accurate with so many of the things you're saying, so I'll just let you go on with your misinformation an move on. Cheers.

You're right about video poker....I believe. I was talking about any other slot machines. I know more about the RTP and gaming commission rules with respect to slots. The house has less advantage with video poker compared to slots.

Both can be changed via the RTP on slots or the pay table on VP. The primary difference is that on video poker, the RTP is obvious and can be calculated just by looking at it. There are entire websites dedicated to giving you the edge on a machine just based on the paytable. With slots, the player doesn't ever know the RTP.

 

[Gally]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

It is semantics, but I wouldn't say better value. There are still ways to get great value, but it used to be easier to get value. Now you have to look for it.

I used to be able to sit in a sports book and place a couple of crappy $10 bets and get 6-7 hours of free beer. I just had to be able to show a waitress I had A ticket for A game that was going on at that time. I can't work or look hard enough to get back to that. If you know of a place I can drop a small vig and drink "free" for 6-7 hours while watching the NFL games, I'd greatly appreciate that info.

As it is, we can hit up places like The Front Yard and eat and drink (better beer) for that time frame for cheap. But there are some things that aren't obtainable, no matter how hard you work them.

We don't do a lot of sports watching a nd betting when we are out there, but if I remember I will check it out next time we go.

In October we were at Westgate and you would get two drink tickets for every $50 worth of bets.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

 

[BlackCrowes]

they've even ruined drink 'n push (pai gow) with all the progressive BS that you have to play

 

[JohnnyU]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

 

[msudaisy26]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

It is semantics, but I wouldn't say better value. There are still ways to get great value, but it used to be easier to get value. Now you have to look for it.

I used to be able to sit in a sports book and place a couple of crappy $10 bets and get 6-7 hours of free beer. I just had to be able to show a waitress I had A ticket for A game that was going on at that time. I can't work or look hard enough to get back to that. If you know of a place I can drop a small vig and drink "free" for 6-7 hours while watching the NFL games, I'd greatly appreciate that info.

As it is, we can hit up places like The Front Yard and eat and drink (better beer) for that time frame for cheap. But there are some things that aren't obtainable, no matter how hard you work them.

We don't do a lot of sports watching a nd betting when we are out there, but if I remember I will check it out next time we go.

In October we were at Westgate and you would get two drink tickets for every $50 worth of bets.

Never been to Westgate. It seems reasonable, but also a huge pain in the butt for everyone.

 

[Gally]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is a fun game to play. Probably more enjoyable than blackjack for me.

 

[Brew Swillis]

Probably don't put more than $1-2k in play on any given day.

My budget is $200 a day. We are in different pools which explains why I have never sniffed any of the comps you speak of.

Let me be clear. When I say $2K in play, that doesn't mean that's my daily budget. 100 spins at $1 on a slot = $100, but you're not going to lose every spin. 40 hands of blackjack at $25 a hand is $1,000 in play.

How do you get the casino to think you are putting in play $1K a day without putting it at risk? Do you sit down at a black jack table and put down $1K cash for chips and then play a few hands and walk? Do you just play 40 hands and then walk with whatever you have left?

Talk to me like I know nothing because I keep hearing people getting these comps but have no idea how to get them. If you aren't risking $1-2K a day but getting the reward for it I would like to know how to do that.

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

This is what I do at video poker when I go to Vegas. There's this little bar area adjacent to the check-in area at Luxor that I almost always find a seat at. On the weekends they have a DJ or some live acoustic music. I pop a $20 into the machine and play the $0.25 game and get comp'ed vodka-7s for a couple of hours. That $20 lasts me awhile, sometimes even cashing out up a bit. Watch some sports, with my parlays in mind, check my phone, blah blah blah.

I may dabble in 3-card Poker when I'm there in January, though.

I always heard they set machines at the bar with the worst odds. Around 85% or less.

Doesn't work that way with video poker. They can change the pay tables, but no... they don't set pay rates. Again, you heard incorrectly.

The RTP (return to player) can be changed, sorry to tell you. It has a factory preset, but casinos can change the payback percentage on machines if they have been idle for 15 minutes per gaming rules. They usually only do this every so often when they move machines around, or sometimes they leave it at the factory preset. They stratigically place machines where they want them and adjust the RTP.

You have fought back very diligently against all of us that Vegas isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.

I am not sure why, just scratch it off your list of places to go and move on. You aren't going to change our minds about enjoying it, you aren't changing the corporation's mind about changing their policies.

I hate skiing, there is nothing enjoyable to me about going down a hill in the cold with a major chance of injuries. So I am not going skiing, I am not going to argue with people and tell them how wrong they are for enjoying skiing and how much better it was 30 years ago when I went last time.

I mean, he's not wrong that it used to be better. Certainly better value. For people who prefer the shows and events and the sphere and high end dining, maybe it's better now. But for degenerates like me who just want to go gamble and watch football (narrator: he means gamble... on football) and drink and hang out with his friends while drinking and gambling and watching football, it's a lesser and more expensive experience. I preferred when I got comped drinks for sitting in the sports book and placing #### bets. Now I'm no longer placing #### bets, and I can't get anything resembling what I used to get. It's not preferable, but it's understandable.

It just isn't AS bad as it's being made out to be. People want to tell a story, and you get clicks by telling the most extreme story. So you take the most expensive items and compare them to the least expensive items to drive the biggest delta you can find. I posted above about shrimp cocktail in Indy. And that's true. You can pay $100 for shrimp cocktail in Indy. But not if you're going to dine in at St. Elmo, which is what everyone actually thinks of when they say shrimp cocktail from Indy. It's $25-ish. And to some people, THAT might be outrageous. But it's not standard. Nor is a $26 water or a $35 burger or a $44 sandwich.

But ______ isn't as good as it used to be. Just ask anyone here. They're happy to tell you.

It is semantics, but I wouldn't say better value. There are still ways to get great value, but it used to be easier to get value. Now you have to look for it.

I used to be able to sit in a sports book and place a couple of crappy $10 bets and get 6-7 hours of free beer. I just had to be able to show a waitress I had A ticket for A game that was going on at that time. I can't work or look hard enough to get back to that. If you know of a place I can drop a small vig and drink "free" for 6-7 hours while watching the NFL games, I'd greatly appreciate that info.

As it is, we can hit up places like The Front Yard and eat and drink (better beer) for that time frame for cheap. But there are some things that aren't obtainable, no matter how hard you work them.

Closest you can get these days is to sit at a VP bar overlooking one of the books, put some cash in and play $1 blackjack, often with 6:5 or even money on blackjacks, no doubling or splitting, and slow bleed over a few hours. It's enough to keep the light on usually and the loss is typically minimal.

 

[Brew Swillis]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

Pool use is always free for guests (and sometimes for non-guests even) but at some places, if you want a chair anywhere near the pool, you may have to pay for that.

 

[JohnnyU]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

Pool use is always free for guests (and sometimes for non-guests even) but at some places, if you want a chair anywhere near the pool, you may have to pay for that.

Thanks for that information. What about the floating bar, do they still do that at some hotels?

 

[Softballguy]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

We're doing Atomic Golf this Sunday. It's very similar to Top Golf. $69/person for three hours of all you can eat, drink, and golf in a private bay with football on the TVs. Seemed like a solid value.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

We're doing Atomic Golf this Sunday. It's very similar to Top Golf. $69/person for three hours of all you can eat, drink, and golf in a private bay with football on the TVs. Seemed like a solid value.

Will be curious to hear what you think of it.

 

[msudaisy26]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

Pool use is always free for guests (and sometimes for non-guests even) but at some places, if you want a chair anywhere near the pool, you may have to pay for that.

All the chairs were free at the Grand.

 

[msudaisy26]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

We're doing Atomic Golf this Sunday. It's very similar to Top Golf. $69/person for three hours of all you can eat, drink, and golf in a private bay with football on the TVs. Seemed like a solid value.

Might have to check this out in August. Even though I have never golfed.

 

[Brew Swillis]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

Pool use is always free for guests (and sometimes for non-guests even) but at some places, if you want a chair anywhere near the pool, you may have to pay for that.

All the chairs were free at the Grand.

You can basically always get a place to sit, but at some hotels (Planet Hollywood comes to mind,) all the loungers near the pool carry a fee. You can get a free chair, but it will not be a) plush or b) anywhere near the pool. I think it may even be upstairs. A nice walk across some pretty warm (read : you can cook on it) decking to get there & back, and you also can't see your belongings from the water.

 

[Brew Swillis]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

Pool use is always free for guests (and sometimes for non-guests even) but at some places, if you want a chair anywhere near the pool, you may have to pay for that.

Thanks for that information. What about the floating bar, do they still do that at some hotels?

Not sure what you mean by floating bar - there are pools that have swim-up bars and some have gaming (blackjack) tables in the pool.

 

[the moops]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is a fun game to play. Probably more enjoyable than blackjack for me.

I was just commenting more on the "play for days and break even just to get some free stuff" angle. Sure, you got a free hotel room and some drinks, but you didn't win any money or do anything but sit at the same table for days. Sounds pretty boring

 

[JohnnyU]

Las Vegas Brewing Company was a pretty decent option for the Thursday night game. You wouldn't want to spend a Sat or Sun there, as the TV situation isn't for volume. But with 1 game on, the food and beer options were good, the game was enjoyable, the crowd was fun, and it's a short walk to other breweries. Plus, Thurs night games are still a tough get some places. We even hit a crappy sports book that didn't have the Thurs game. WTF? YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SHOW THE SPORTS PEOPLE WANT TO GAMBLE ON. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY!!

Have you ever done the Circa sports book with the pool? How is it? We have always wanted to try that for a NFL Sunday, but that is a bad time of year for us to travel.

No. Early Sept not the best time to be outside from 10a-4p imo. We've kicked around checking out a Thurs or Fri night game there, though we never have. We did a Thurs night game at Top Golf. Typical Top Golf experience. Good fun. Not cheap, but fun.

Do they still have the floating bar at the pools? I've heard of them, but never experienced it. Which hotels do this? Is pool use included in those ridiculous resort fees, that used to not exist? Or do they have a seperate charge to use the pool?

Pool use is always free for guests (and sometimes for non-guests even) but at some places, if you want a chair anywhere near the pool, you may have to pay for that.

Thanks for that information. What about the floating bar, do they still do that at some hotels?

Not sure what you mean by floating bar - there are pools that have swim-up bars and some have gaming (blackjack) tables in the pool.

Yes, that is what I meant. I wasn't sure how they were constructed, only that you could get a drink from the pool. Thanks.

 

[JohnnyU]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is a fun game to play. Probably more enjoyable than blackjack for me.

I was just commenting more on the "play for days and break even just to get some free stuff" angle. Sure, you got a free hotel room and some drinks, but you didn't win any money or do anything but sit at the same table for days. Sounds pretty boring

.....and exhausting.

 

[Gally]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is a fun game to play. Probably more enjoyable than blackjack for me.

I was just commenting more on the "play for days and break even just to get some free stuff" angle. Sure, you got a free hotel room and some drinks, but you didn't win any money or do anything but sit at the same table for days. Sounds pretty boring

.....and exhausting.

How is it any different than playing blackjack for a few hours? You are gambling at a table with a chance to win money and getting drinks as often as a waitress comes by.

The only difference is it is typically harder to lose/win money quickly at Pai Gow.

 

[JohnnyU]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is a fun game to play. Probably more enjoyable than blackjack for me.

I was just commenting more on the "play for days and break even just to get some free stuff" angle. Sure, you got a free hotel room and some drinks, but you didn't win any money or do anything but sit at the same table for days. Sounds pretty boring

.....and exhausting.

How is it any different than playing blackjack for a few hours? You are gambling at a table with a chance to win money and getting drinks as often as a waitress comes by.

The only difference is it is typically harder to lose/win money quickly at Pai Gow.

I've never played that, only blackjack as far as table games go. Oh wait, I did play some craps once. I suppose it depends on how long I play in one stretch. It would seem like work to me if I played more than a couple of hours at any given time. I'm sure there are people who go to a casino and sit at the same table or the same slot machine for double digit hours. That wouldn't be fun to me personally. I would feel like I wasted a lot of my vacation doing that, instead of exploring.

Edit: I generally play at the tribal casinos nearby in the frozen north that is Minnesota. The odds are already stacked against you in a casino, so I limit my trips to no more than four times a year. I usually go to a couple of concerts a year with my wife and we enjoy eating and gambling some (couple of hours) while we're there.

 

[the moops]

You could also learn how to play pai gow. You can sit at a pai gow table for days and break even if you bet conservatively. You won't make anything, but you'll churn money and earn status points.

Riveting Vegas experience here

Pai Gow is a fun game to play. Probably more enjoyable than blackjack for me.

I was just commenting more on the "play for days and break even just to get some free stuff" angle. Sure, you got a free hotel room and some drinks, but you didn't win any money or do anything but sit at the same table for days. Sounds pretty boring

.....and exhausting.

How is it any different than playing blackjack for a few hours? You are gambling at a table with a chance to win money and getting drinks as often as a waitress comes by.

The only difference is it is typically harder to lose/win money quickly at Pai Gow.

Again, I am talking about sitting at a table for days, as the OP said, not a few hours. Just not my thing. I would rather pay for the hotel room