Latest draft rumor: Redskins “trying like crazy” to move up (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/15/latest-draft-rumor-redskins-trying-like-crazy-to-move-up/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 15, 2011, 5:49 PM EDT

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We’re not sure if there are more draft rumors this year or we’re just paying attention to them more because we have nothing else to focus on. All we know is that things are only starting to pick up.

The latest rumor we can pass along for you comes from the dean of Houston football writing, John McClain of the Houston Chronicle.

“I don’t know what they have to offer, but I hear the Redskins are trying like crazy to trade up to get one of the quarterbacks, Blaine Gabbert, I imagine,” McClain writes.

Well, they don’t have a third- or fourth-round pick to offer. There was also a rumor the Redskins were trying to trade down earlier in the week, which means Washington is achieving some level of misdirection success.

The rumor that the Redskins want to trade up passes the smell test. Mike Shanahan needs a young franchise quarterback to mold, and Jake Locker would be a reach at No. 10. (Although we think it’s a reach the Redskins would strongly consider.)

Washington isn’t afraid to be aggressive when they are a little desperate, and it’s safe to say their quarterback situation is desperate right now.

 

[Tchula]

#10 for Kolb might be a good option if the eagles were willing to trade within the division.

 

[D.J.]

#10 for Kolb might be a good option if the eagles were willing to trade within the division.

Then, next year the skins can trade for vick if he tanks this year.

 

[Cassius]

#10 for Kolb might be a good option if the eagles were willing to trade within the division.

It'd also be a better option if veteran players could be traded.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

#10 for Kolb might be a good option if the eagles were willing to trade within the division.

It'd also be a better option if veteran players could be traded.

Not that anybody in the NFL would give up a 1st round pick for Kevin Kolb anyway. 60.8% completions, 6.3/attempt and 7 tds/7 ints is not good.

 

[Go deep]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

 

[Cassius]

#10 for Kolb might be a good option if the eagles were willing to trade within the division.

It'd also be a better option if veteran players could be traded.

Not that anybody in the NFL would give up a 1st round pick for Kevin Kolb anyway. 60.8% completions, 6.3/attempt and 7 tds/7 ints is not good.

Yes they would, but probably not a top 10 pick and obviously not until vets can be traded.

 

[Truman]

#10 for Kolb might be a good option if the eagles were willing to trade within the division.

Would they also be including Trent Cole in that trade?

 

[Eastwood]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

No way the Skins move a 2nd. No way.

 

[rzrback77]

Why are the Skins looking for another QB? I recently heard in the Mock Draft Forum that Mr. Grossman was their starter.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

No way the Skins move a 2nd. No way.

What else do you think is gonna get them in the top 5? Maybe they trade thier 1st next year but teams in the top 5 are probably gonna be looking for immediate help this year and not next.

 

[Donnybrook]

It is said that you need to read between the lines. In this case, you need to read between the words.

"I don't know what they have to offer, but I hear the Redskins are trying like crazy to trade up to get one of the quarterbacks, Blaine Gabbert, I imagine," McClain writes.

 

[FUBAR]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

No way the Skins move a 2nd. No way.

What else do you think is gonna get them in the top 5? Maybe they trade thier 1st next year but teams in the top 5 are probably gonna be looking for immediate help this year and not next.

Even if I'm the Panthers, I give some deep thought to trading 1.01 for 1.10 and a 2012 1st. If I'm the Cards, 1.05 for 1.10 and 2012 1st is easy. Regardless of the draft trade chart.

 

[fatness]

The latest report I read from the DC area is that the Redskins are trying to move down in the draft. PFT has been pushing "the Redskins will take a QB with one of their first 2 picks" for months now, with no substantiation. Perhaps they'll take a QB but there's no reliable way to tell at this time. Their roster is weak at so many spots, especially on defense.

This is the time of year with the highest % of false football reports. It's that way every year leading up to the draft. The article mentioned by the OP is based on "I'm hearing" for example. So are the reports saying the Redskins want to move down in the draft. About 5% of information coming out right now is true. The rest is either stories floated by teams or agents, writers speculating, and other writers hearing that speculation and reporting that "I'm hearing".

It would be hilarious if they traded for Kolb, though.

So far Shanahan and Allen haven't shown they know a lot about personnel.

 

[FUBAR]

The latest report I read from the DC area is that the Redskins are trying to move down in the draft. PFT has been pushing "the Redskins will take a QB with one of their first 2 picks" for months now, with no substantiation. Perhaps they'll take a QB but there's no reliable way to tell at this time. Their roster is weak at so many spots, especially on defense. This is the time of year with the highest % of false football reports. It's that way every year leading up to the draft. The article mentioned by the OP is based on "I'm hearing" for example. So are the reports saying the Redskins want to move down in the draft. About 5% of information coming out right now is true. The rest is either stories floated by teams or agents, writers speculating, and other writers hearing that speculation and reporting that "I'm hearing". It would be hilarious if they traded for Kolb, though. So far Shanahan and Allen haven't shown they know a lot about personnel.

Scary thought, Sexy Rexy is better than some of the guys they have starting on D. And the 1.10 is a perfect spot to land Prince, Aldon Smith, or a few DL. I'd be less surprised if the Skins go after VY than if they trade up for a QB in the draft.

 

[Thorpe]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

It is Dan Snyder. I think the Bills can extort much more. Maybe make him throw in next year's #1 as well.

 

[bushdocda]

Maybe the hype is getting to me but feels like a cluster of qbs are going to go way before they would 'normally'.

Cant help but think the Titans, skins, vikes might not get a chance at the Locker, Mallet, Dalton, Ponder bunch if they wait for their second pick and they'll get plucked by others with more draft flexibilty.

 

[chinawildman]

Maybe the hype is getting to me but feels like a cluster of qbs are going to go way before they would 'normally'. Cant help but think the Titans, skins, vikes might not get a chance at the Locker, Mallet, Dalton, Ponder bunch if they wait for their second pick and they'll get plucked by others with more draft flexibilty.

I think more likely is that the redskins are realizing the guy they want from that group isn't getting out of the top 10... My guess is Mallett.

 

[noneother]

Off topic but based on talent over the last three years how do these quarterbacks compare to the running backs of this year?

Seems to me these QBs will go higher than they "should" and the running backs may go later than they "should"

Another way to say it, I think, is this squad if QBs is 70% o the ideal QB. And the RBs are 85% of the ideal RB.

Draft position this year (and prolly most) will be based in scarcity at the position. Not as much the talent.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

I don't know what the going rate for a trade like this (I was thinking it's more like a 2nd and a 3rd), but regardless I'd jump all over this.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

No way the Skins move a 2nd. No way.

Is this some veiled way of saying that the Redskins don't have a 2nd round pick this year?

 

[fatness]

With the Washington Redskins lacking both third- and fourth-round picks in this year’s draft, it wouldn’t be surprising to see them try to trade down from No. 10 to acquire an additional choice or two.

Washington Post Redskin beat reporter Mike Jones

 

[fatness]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

No way the Skins move a 2nd. No way.

Is this some veiled way of saying that the Redskins don't have a 2nd round pick this year?

They have a 2nd round pick this year.

 

[Cassius]

But they don't have a 3rd or 4th. So moving up the cost of a 2nd would make for a pretty small draft class.

 

[Getinthemix]

But they don't have a 3rd or 4th. So moving up the cost of a 2nd would make for a pretty small draft class.

The only thing is, how many of the teams out there would give up most of their draft if they truly believed one of the QB's was loaded with potential? Shanahan knows that Rex is not going to lead him to the promised land, so he has to find someone. Not saying it is right or wrong, but QB is the most important position in football and you do what you have to to get one. Maybe the Skins believe in one of the QB's in this draft class. If they are right, is there really too high of a price?

 

[Eastwood]

this team has WAY too many needs and holes to end the draft with LESS players/picks. I say there is a 1% chance they trade up.

 

[Chadstroma]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

 

[GroveDiesel]

If i were the Bills GM i would be happy to move down to 10 for the price of a 2nd, and maybe a 6th.

I don't know what the going rate for a trade like this (I was thinking it's more like a 2nd and a 3rd), but regardless I'd jump all over this.

Really? Because I think that at around the 8 or 9 spot it could really start to drop off at positions of need and elite impact players. Although I've gotten the sense that they really like Cam Jordan. So maybe they can slide down to 10, grab Jordan, and still be pretty happy picking up some extra picks and not having to pay as much at the #10 as the #3 spot. Robert Quinn could certainly be there at #10 as well, although he obviously comes with a lot more risk.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

I think that generally depends on just how highly the teams at the top rate certain players. If Chan Gailey and the Bills absolutely fell in love with Cam Newton and believe that they could translate his elite talents into a top 5 QB, then there's no way they'd make a trade until they saw if Newton was off the board before them or not.

 

[Chadstroma]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

I think that generally depends on just how highly the teams at the top rate certain players. If Chan Gailey and the Bills absolutely fell in love with Cam Newton and believe that they could translate his elite talents into a top 5 QB, then there's no way they'd make a trade until they saw if Newton was off the board before them or not.

I don't see it. I don't think any team is absolutely in love with any of the QB's. I can see the Redskins wanting to move up like crazy but I think if that were true, it would be fairly easy to move up. The Bronco's, I have to think, would jump at the chance. The only thing that really could hurt them would be if they were not interested in gaining future picks- since the Redskins do not have much to give now. But, again, if the Redskins 'were trying like crazy' that means you find a way. Maybe it is just the hyperbole I don't buy but I just do not buy it.

 

[BigTex]

The latest report I read from the DC area is that the Redskins are trying to move down in the draft. PFT has been pushing "the Redskins will take a QB with one of their first 2 picks" for months now, with no substantiation. Perhaps they'll take a QB but there's no reliable way to tell at this time. Their roster is weak at so many spots, especially on defense. This is the time of year with the highest % of false football reports. It's that way every year leading up to the draft. The article mentioned by the OP is based on "I'm hearing" for example. So are the reports saying the Redskins want to move down in the draft. About 5% of information coming out right now is true. The rest is either stories floated by teams or agents, writers speculating, and other writers hearing that speculation and reporting that "I'm hearing". It would be hilarious if they traded for Kolb, though. So far Shanahan and Allen haven't shown they know a lot about personnel.

Please don't piss on the fire.TIA,Tex

 

[massraider]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

I think that generally depends on just how highly the teams at the top rate certain players. If Chan Gailey and the Bills absolutely fell in love with Cam Newton and believe that they could translate his elite talents into a top 5 QB, then there's no way they'd make a trade until they saw if Newton was off the board before them or not.

I don't see it. I don't think any team is absolutely in love with any of the QB's. I can see the Redskins wanting to move up like crazy but I think if that were true, it would be fairly easy to move up. The Bronco's, I have to think, would jump at the chance. The only thing that really could hurt them would be if they were not interested in gaining future picks- since the Redskins do not have much to give now. But, again, if the Redskins 'were trying like crazy' that means you find a way. Maybe it is just the hyperbole I don't buy but I just do not buy it.

Neither do I. I think this is a draft without much top-end offensive firepower, and so every team that has a potential opening at QB, people are just shoe-horning guys in there.

 

[fatness]

Please don't piss on the fire.TIA,Tex

Hi Tex.

 

[Crippler]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

I think that generally depends on just how highly the teams at the top rate certain players. If Chan Gailey and the Bills absolutely fell in love with Cam Newton and believe that they could translate his elite talents into a top 5 QB, then there's no way they'd make a trade until they saw if Newton was off the board before them or not.

I don't see it. I don't think any team is absolutely in love with any of the QB's. I can see the Redskins wanting to move up like crazy but I think if that were true, it would be fairly easy to move up. The Bronco's, I have to think, would jump at the chance. The only thing that really could hurt them would be if they were not interested in gaining future picks- since the Redskins do not have much to give now. But, again, if the Redskins 'were trying like crazy' that means you find a way. Maybe it is just the hyperbole I don't buy but I just do not buy it.

Neither do I. I think this is a draft without much top-end offensive firepower, and so every team that has a potential opening at QB, people are just shoe-horning guys in there.

I kind of disagree with this as there seems to be alot of fire out there about each and every QB and most of it is positive right now. These QB's might be wanted because of need but than you might see if this was the case, more than 7. STanzi might get talked up more. The big 7 seem to be getting alot of press right now

 

[Chadstroma]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

I think that generally depends on just how highly the teams at the top rate certain players. If Chan Gailey and the Bills absolutely fell in love with Cam Newton and believe that they could translate his elite talents into a top 5 QB, then there's no way they'd make a trade until they saw if Newton was off the board before them or not.

I don't see it. I don't think any team is absolutely in love with any of the QB's. I can see the Redskins wanting to move up like crazy but I think if that were true, it would be fairly easy to move up. The Bronco's, I have to think, would jump at the chance. The only thing that really could hurt them would be if they were not interested in gaining future picks- since the Redskins do not have much to give now. But, again, if the Redskins 'were trying like crazy' that means you find a way. Maybe it is just the hyperbole I don't buy but I just do not buy it.

Neither do I. I think this is a draft without much top-end offensive firepower, and so every team that has a potential opening at QB, people are just shoe-horning guys in there.

QB's look fairly deep while none have the Sam Bradford almost assuredly a good NFL QB pick status. RB's are deep too but none look like they will be top end stars. I love the top two WR's and think both have perennial pro-bowl written all over them and the second tier guys look pretty good. It may just be because I am a Golden Domer fan but I love Rudolph at TE. I can see the 'skins being silly enough to want to move up and risk rolling the dice with a Newton but if they were that crazy to move up, I just see such a huge opportunity for it to be fairly easy for them.

 

[massraider]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

I think that generally depends on just how highly the teams at the top rate certain players. If Chan Gailey and the Bills absolutely fell in love with Cam Newton and believe that they could translate his elite talents into a top 5 QB, then there's no way they'd make a trade until they saw if Newton was off the board before them or not.

I don't see it. I don't think any team is absolutely in love with any of the QB's. I can see the Redskins wanting to move up like crazy but I think if that were true, it would be fairly easy to move up. The Bronco's, I have to think, would jump at the chance. The only thing that really could hurt them would be if they were not interested in gaining future picks- since the Redskins do not have much to give now. But, again, if the Redskins 'were trying like crazy' that means you find a way. Maybe it is just the hyperbole I don't buy but I just do not buy it.

Neither do I. I think this is a draft without much top-end offensive firepower, and so every team that has a potential opening at QB, people are just shoe-horning guys in there.

I kind of disagree with this as there seems to be alot of fire out there about each and every QB and most of it is positive right now. These QB's might be wanted because of need but than you might see if this was the case, more than 7. STanzi might get talked up more. The big 7 seem to be getting alot of press right now

I said firepower. Not the same as hype. This draft has no stud RB, two WRs, and one TE. It's not a sexy draft. Not even any LBs to get excited about, beyond Miller. So I think the coverage is skewing towards the QBs. It's a natural thing, offense is covered a lot more on pre-draft talk, and teams are not filling spots with FA QBs, and I think everyone seems to think all teams are going to be in full panic mode, without knowing if they have a QB for the future.

I tend to like Todd McShay's take on it. Teams didn't fill any holes in free agency, so the focus on one need is lessened. Teams haven't filled ANY needs, so they can focus more on taking the best player at a position of need.

I think if anything, the panic to get a certain spot will come in free agency.

 

[Thorpe]

I do not buy it. If a team really was 'trying like crazy' to move up- then it would be a done deal. Teams with top picks are almost always desperate to trade down, finding a partner would be easy. Then, if they were trying like crazy, they would offer compensation that would make the deal done.

Unless you trade up to the #1 spot, then your trade will be dependent on the player you want being available. IE, Bills and Skins may have a deal in place only if Newton is available at #3.

 

[Donnybrook]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/04/17/up-or-down-redskins-look-to-move

What hurts them is their lack of ammo regarding this year's picks. They lack third- and fourth-round selections because of trades (including the Donovan McNabb deal), although the Redskins never have shied away from mortgaging future picks to get the player they most crave.

The Redskins tried like crazy to trade with the Rams, holders of the No. 1 pick last year, to get Sam Bradford. That failed, as did their attempt to land Mark Sanchez the year prior. Having failed previously on these fronts might only fuel the brass' desire to get their guy this time around.

This is news to me and adds a little fuel to the fire.