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[Texasmouth]

my guts say Culpepper ends up a Raider. fits his style plus Randy Moss will like that. lol

Brees a Saint. That leaves Collins or Brooks to Miami. My coin flip says Brooks. Collins could end up a Vicking or maybe a Packer if Favre retires.

Seems like Sabin might be familiar with Brooks since they were both in La. Brooks is a nice pick up for the Dolphins. Maybe the Dolphins can work out a deal to get one of the top three QB if they sign Brooks. They still don't have a QB of the future.

My guess, Collins will be a Raven before the weekend is over.

I have also heard the Dolphins were a little scared off of Brees because of something in his medical report, which allowed the Saints to make him an offer he cant refuse. Brees may be signed as early as today, his visit with Miami is scheduled for tommorow. If I were the Saints I wouldn't let him leave without a deal.

 

[Mpudi]

Seems like Sabin might be familiar with Brooks since they were both in La.

That's a stretch, IMHO. Just because they lived in the same state and were both involved in football?

Brooks is a nice pick up for the Dolphins.

Have the Dolphins signed Brooks? I don't believe so, but would welcome a link if it's true.

Brees may be signed as early as today, his visit with Miami is scheduled for tommorow. If I were the Saints I wouldn't let him leave without a deal.

See my post a few above this in this thread. Per the Sun-Sentinel, Saban and Mueller flew to Birmingham today to meet with Brees before he went to New Orleans. It seems the Dolphins really want to make their pitch before New Orleans does.

 

[Couch Potato]

I'm pretty much through listening to all the Culpepper nonsense until something completed is actually announced. Way too many rumors flying yesterday from way too many sources, and little of it true. Some of the 'trades' (like Bulger and a 4th) were so wacky, and now it turns out, supposedly, that NO ONE is interested in paying the Vikings' price. So count me out - I'm on to the Brees unsubstantiated rumors today!

 

[MagicMan]

anything yet?

 

[Couch Potato]

anything yet?

Yeah. It turns out the Titans, Dolphins, and Raiders were all lied to by the Vikings last night, who told them all that someone had offered a #2 and they'd have to top it, and gave them all a midnight deadline. Each team gave Minny the finger, who now looks foolish because in actuality no one gave them any offer like that.Any team dealing for Pep, given the uncertain state of his knee, would be out of their mind to do so unless the pick given up is a conditional one in 2007. The Vikings apparently don't see it that way. So, everyone has walked away and the Vikings are sitting there with a QB who doesn't want them, potential trade partners who know they've been lied to and don't trust them, and yet another public black eye.

 

[Preacher 1]

anything yet?

Yeah. It turns out the Titans, Dolphins, and Raiders were all lied to by the Vikings last night, who told them all that someone had offered a #2 and they'd have to top it, and gave them all a midnight deadline. Each team gave Minny the finger, who now looks foolish because in actuality no one gave them any offer like that.Any team dealing for Pep, given the uncertain state of his knee, would be out of their mind to do so unless the pick given up is a conditional one in 2007. The Vikings apparently don't see it that way. So, everyone has walked away and the Vikings are sitting there with a QB who doesn't want them, potential trade partners who know they've been lied to and don't trust them, and yet another public black eye.

Good, serves the bastards right...bunch of clowns come in and think that they can run with the tall dogs before they learn to walk.Nice Job Zigi...

 

[AnonymousBob]

I just don't see how this is a good trade for either team.

I doubt thats the deal, but....how is that not a good trade for both teams?If Cpep is ready to play, he knows Linehan's system and has prospered in it. He'll help the offense get on track much earlier than it would with Bulger.

Cpep will NOT be the starting QB for Minny next year no matter what...whats wrong with getting a Pro Bowl QB for him?

If Culpepper stayed in Minnesota why wouldn't he win the job over BJ? I just don't get the appeal of this deal for either team.

Hi, Have you read the rest of this thread?

Hi, Yes I have. Thanks for your concern.

Of course if Daunte isn't healthy he wouldn't win the job. Other than that, I honestly don't know if Brad actually outplayed Culpepper last year or if he merely benefited from a nice schedule.

 

[Traders2001]

Guys i hope you noticed that Culpepper without Moss is a very very average QB. Cant read defenses , there is two things he does well

1) run with the ball ( the injury will make him think a little before he starts running again ) and throw the jump ball for Moss, besides he is nt a good NFL QB .

That might be why no one is willing to pay too much for him ( they know the game better then most of us i guess , thats why they dont want Daunte )

 

[Donnybrook]

Dolphins | Team still pondering Culpepper trade

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:28:07 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban is still contemplating a trade with the Minnesota Vikings for QB Daunte Culpepper. The Vikings aren't as adamant about asking for a second-round draft choice that could upgrade to a No. 1, but they want a second-round draft pick. One problem is the Vikings won't let Culpepper have a doctor's visit with the Dolphins, only allowing him to talk on the phone with Miami. In the next 24 hours, the Dolphins quarterback will be either Culpepper or free agent QB Drew Brees (Chargers).

 

[Texasmouth]

Seems like Sabin might be familiar with Brooks since they were both in La.

That's a stretch, IMHO. Just because they lived in the same state and were both involved in football?

Brooks is a nice pick up for the Dolphins.

Have the Dolphins signed Brooks? I don't believe so, but would welcome a link if it's true.

Brees may be signed as early as today, his visit with Miami is scheduled for tommorow. If I were the Saints I wouldn't let him leave without a deal.

See my post a few above this in this thread. Per the Sun-Sentinel, Saban and Mueller flew to Birmingham today to meet with Brees before he went to New Orleans. It seems the Dolphins really want to make their pitch before New Orleans does.

Actually it isn't a stretch. You would be surprised how much contact they might have had living in the same state. They do all kinds of PR stuff so the chances that they crossed paths on several occasions is really likely.

 

[Texasmouth]

It was just reported on ESPNews that the Raiders have once again started negotiating with Minny for Culpepper but said they will not get into a bidding war.

Minny better jump on this if they want to move the guy, their strategy didn't work last time....

 

[fatness]

One problem is the Vikings won't let Culpepper have a doctor's visit with the Dolphins, only allowing him to talk on the phone with Miami. (Chargers).

I don't know any team who would trade for him without having a doctor or doctors look at him.

 

[Sinrman]

  One problem is the Vikings won't let Culpepper have a doctor's visit with the Dolphins, only allowing him to talk on the phone with Miami.  (Chargers).

I don't know any team who would trade for him without having a doctor or doctors look at him.

Agreed. That's just flat silly. I like Culpepper, but that injury was plain nasty, and for a team to be expected to just "trust" Minnesota and give up a decent pick, is just ludicrous...

 

[fsufan]

It was just reported on ESPNews that the Raiders have once again started negotiating with Minny for Culpepper but said they will not get into a bidding war.

Minny better jump on this if they want to move the guy, their strategy didn't work last time....

we all know Al Davis will pull something off to get Culpepper.

 

[DrJ]

I have to imagine that they're going to get to see his medicals if they make a serious offer.

Why would Minnesota want every team in the world that might have some passing interest on the guy seeing the full report on his knee?

"Yeah, you're on the schedule this year and all, but go ahead and take a look at his full medical reports. Oh, not interested anymore? Oh well, enjoy the inside information!"

 

[Couch Potato]

Yes, I'm desperate to sell this house. Make me an offer. Termite report? Um, uh, uh, um, no, sorry, can't let you see that. Hey, but make me an offer, OK?

 

[Couch Potato]

Agreed. That's just flat silly. I like Culpepper, but that injury was plain nasty, and for a team to be expected to just "trust" Minnesota and give up a decent pick, is just ludicrous...

Yeah, trust the guys who lied 2 nights ago about having a 2nd round offer in hand already. Uh huh.

 

[DrJ]

Yes, I'm desperate to sell this house. Make me an offer. Termite report? Um, uh, uh, um, no, sorry, can't let you see that. Hey, but make me an offer, OK?

So if you were trying to sell the rights to a product to another business, you'd let them see the design documents before they even made an acceptable offer?

 

[Couch Potato]

Yes, I'm desperate to sell this house. Make me an offer. Termite report? Um, uh, uh, um, no, sorry, can't let you see that. Hey, but make me an offer, OK?

So if you were trying to sell the rights to a product to another business, you'd let them see the design documents before they even made an acceptable offer?

We're not talking about unique design documents. We're talking about a knee we know has been damaged (hence the termite report analogy - is the structure sound or damaged?). To be forbidden the opportunity to evaluate the current status of known damage is unreasonable.

 

[DrJ]

Yes, I'm desperate to sell this house.  Make me an offer.  Termite report?  Um, uh, uh, um, no, sorry, can't let you see that.  Hey, but make me an offer, OK?

So if you were trying to sell the rights to a product to another business, you'd let them see the design documents before they even made an acceptable offer?

We're not talking about unique design documents. We're talking about a knee we know has been damaged (hence the termite report analogy - is the structure sound or damaged?). To be forbidden the opportunity to evaluate the current status of known damage is unreasonable.

None of this means that they aren't going to let them see it before a trade is completed. Miami could say, we'll give you a 2 pending us being able to review his medical reports. But given the current state of things where Miami isn't even offering anything in the ballpark, why would they? Miami is on their schedule this season, and there's no reason for them to give them inside information on the state of their QB's knee if they aren't even serious about dealing for him at the price that Minnesota wants.

 

[Couch Potato]

Yes, I'm desperate to sell this house. Make me an offer. Termite report? Um, uh, uh, um, no, sorry, can't let you see that. Hey, but make me an offer, OK?

So if you were trying to sell the rights to a product to another business, you'd let them see the design documents before they even made an acceptable offer?

We're not talking about unique design documents. We're talking about a knee we know has been damaged (hence the termite report analogy - is the structure sound or damaged?). To be forbidden the opportunity to evaluate the current status of known damage is unreasonable.

None of this means that they aren't going to let them see it before a trade is completed. Miami could say, we'll give you a 2 pending us being able to review his medical reports. But given the current state of things where Miami isn't even offering anything in the ballpark, why would they? Miami is on their schedule this season, and there's no reason for them to give them inside information on the state of their QB's knee if they aren't even serious about dealing for him at the price that Minnesota wants.

I do see your point if Minnesota is keeping Pep, but they are motivated to deal him and need to be able to forego that relatively minor 'inside info' point and re-establish a little credibility here. I'd stay clear if I was another team unless my own people are allowed to evaluate him. Too much at stake here. If Minny wants to hold to their position, that's fine, but then they don't find a trading partner in Miami.Thing is, a trade can be set up so that if Pep fails the physical, the trade is off. That's fine if it's the Raiders making the trade, but Miami is in a time crunch where they have to decide between Pep and Brees, and they don't want to find out after a deal that Minnesota has been less than forthcoming concerning the knee and in the meantime lose Brees to New Orleans.

Bottom line is that I don't think Minny is in a position of strength here, and needs to be forthcoming with the info if they want to deal Culpepper.

 

[massraider]

"Inside info"?

A physical evaluation of a player who is on the trading block is not inside info, it's vital, basic info, if you wanna get past the sniffin' butts stage.

The Vikes unwillingness to let team docs have a look at CPepp just makes them look like they are hiding damaged goods.

 

[BigTex]

"Inside info"?

A physical evaluation of a player who is on the trading block is not inside info, it's vital, basic info, if you wanna get past the sniffin' butts stage.

The Vikes unwillingness to let team docs have a look at CPepp just makes them look like they are hiding damaged goods.

And word is that teams can't even to talk C-Pepp's doctor until a trade is complete................C-Pepp will not be traded. Only an idiot will trade for a player in which you can't evaluate by your doc or talk to the doc that performed the surgery.

 

[Hov34]

I'll believe he'll be traded just as soon as I see him fumbling in Aqua & Orange or Silver & Black.

 

[fatness]

Bottom line is that I don't think Minny is in a position of strength here, and needs to be forthcoming with the info if they want to deal Culpepper.

And if the information is that his recovery is not going well, they're stuck. Catch-22.

 

[Silver & Black]

Leave me out of it!

I want Brees, not C-Pepp!

 

[UnknownCoach]

"Inside info"?

A physical evaluation of a player who is on the trading block is not inside info, it's vital, basic info, if you wanna get past the sniffin' butts stage.

The Vikes unwillingness to let team docs have a look at CPepp just makes them look like they are hiding damaged goods.

All trades are contigent on a player passing a physical. They are normally traded first, then take the physical. If they fail the physical, then the trade is negated after the . However if the Vikings were really determined to trade Culpepper and they had the time, they would allow a team to talk to his doctors and possibly look at his knee. Whether they werent too serious about unloading him, or whether they were just pushing too hard agains the deadline, I cant tell you for sure. With 3 teams competing for him at the last second, they might have just been trying to push a deal in a hurry.

 

[Kirby]

“We’ll see what happens in Miami after they sign the quarterback and that should be Monday,” Wright said of the Dolphins. “Sam would love to go to Cincinnati, but the market is the market.”

I saw that on the bengals site. It's a quote from Sam Adams agent. Looks like the dolphins will sign a qb today. If this guy knows what he is talking about, doesn't look like it will be Culpepper.

 

[bmarks6161]

Raiders | Negotiations with Vikings resume

Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:18:36 -0800

ESPNews reports the Oakland Raiders have resumed talks with the Minnesota Vikings about possibly working out a trade to acquire Vikings QB Daunte Culpepper.

 

[jeter23]

The Oakland Raiders could be interested in Daunte Culpepper if the Vikings lower their asking price of a second-round draft pick. The Detroit Lions and New Orleans Saints also are looking to improve at quarterback. The Vikings continue to shop the disgruntled Culpepper but haven't found a trade partner. Some teams expect the Vikings to release Culpepper before March 25, when he is due a $6 million roster bonus — one of the sticking points to a potential trade.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress...ts/14092061.htm

 

[BlueOnion]

However if the Vikings were really determined to trade Culpepper and they had the time, they would allow a team to talk to his doctors and possibly look at his knee. Whether they werent too serious about unloading him, or whether they were just pushing too hard agains the deadline, I cant tell you for sure. With 3 teams competing for him at the last second, they might have just been trying to push a deal in a hurry.

This makes me think one team (at the most) is interested in Daunte at this time.An examination would arm the trading partner with ammunition to haggle the Vikings' offer done. Not allowing other teams to look at Daunte until a trade is worked out keeps the leverage with the Vikings; and then making the final trade contingent on a physical of some sort.

Now if two teams were genuinely interested, I am suspect the Vikings' might be willing to let both teams examine Daunte and enter a bidding war.