Law Students Want to Postpone Exams because of Trauma (1 Viewer)

[DCThunder]

Perhaps this has been discussed in the ginormous Ferguson thread, but according to this story, Columbia U Law School students want to postpone their exams because of their trauma over the non-indictments....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/08/columbia-law-students-demand-exam-extensions-because-of-trauma-related-to-the-recent-non-indictments-in-ferguson-and-staten-island/

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Looks like they are getting a head start on developing their nose for taking advantage of bad situations ...ambulance chasing and such.

 

[Zow]

WTF Krista*

*I think you went to Columbia, right?

 

[jonessed]

 

[Sinn Fein]

we had exams postponed 4 days when a kid in our class committed suicide a day before our 2nd year fall exams started. Supposed to start on a thursday, postponed until Monday.

 

[Hilts]

Smart kids. I'd do just about anything I could to buy a few more days of studying as well.

 

[Zow]

we had exams postponed 4 days when a kid in our class committed suicide a day before our 2nd year fall exams started. Supposed to start on a thursday, postponed until Monday.

To be fair, there's a bit of a difference. Distinguishable in fact.

 

[Al O'Pecia]

One semester I got out of taking finals by telling my professors I was gang raped by a UVA fraternity.

 

[krista4]

WTF Krista*

*I think you went to Columbia, right?

Yeah. That's insane. Also, that is the most poorly written article ever. But more than that, that's insane.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Dear hot house flowers,

You are not cut out to join the practice of law. You may finish this semester, but the School will not allow your return next semester. We have a reputation generations in the making, and graduating persons such as yourself would cause irreparable damage to our reputation.

Lawyers operate in the center of controversy, they work in the eye of he storm, they make policy, they thrive during tumult and times of change. Lawyers do not roll into a ball and mess themselves like a juvenile hedgehog at the first sign of societal change. You disgrace the profession even before you enter it. It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

The generations that have gone before you weep for the future. You may want to use whatever education we have been able to impart to sue your colleges for having allowed you to continue in the crippling intellectual beliefs your generation managed to escape the elementary and secondary schools with. In many ways you are victims.

Best of luck in the future.

___________________

 

[PatsWillWin]

we had exams postponed 4 days when a kid in our class committed suicide a day before our 2nd year fall exams started. Supposed to start on a thursday, postponed until Monday.

I think a person you may know and who goes to that actual school killing him or herself is a little different than a person you don't know not getting indicted over a crime that resulted in the death of someone else you don't know.

 

[Jim11]

Dear hot house flowers,

You are not cut out to join the practice of law. You may finish this semester, but the School will not allow your return next semester. We have a reputation generations in the making, and graduating persons such as yourself would cause irreparable damage to our reputation.

The generations that have gone before you weep for the future. You may want to use whatever education we have been able to impart to sue your colleges for having allowed you to continue in the crippling intellectual beliefs your generation managed to escape the elementary and secondary schools with. In many ways you are victims.

Best of luck in the future.

___________________

 

[SacramentoBob]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

___________________

 

[Henry Ford]

A guy in my class od'd on heroin two days before first 1L exam period and my criminal law professor had a heroin overdose question on the exam.

#### these kids.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I had a cold for my 1L finals.

Took them anyway.

 

[Lutherman2112]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

___________________

What's actually funny is I know three lawyers that can't handle their own kids, let alone a room full of them; adolescents and young adults. Judges control the courtroom and lawyers thrive in that disciplined environment. Take the same lawyer out of that environment and they are lost without a disciplined leader.

 

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Dear hot house flowers,

You are not cut out to join the practice of law. You may finish this semester, but the School will not allow your return next semester. We have a reputation generations in the making, and graduating persons such as yourself would cause irreparable damage to our reputation.

Lawyers operate in the center of controversy, they work in the eye of he storm, they make policy, they thrive during tumult and times of change. Lawyers do not roll into a ball and mess themselves like a juvenile hedgehog at the first sign of societal change. You disgrace the profession even before you enter it. It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

The generations that have gone before you weep for the future. You may want to use whatever education we have been able to impart to sue your colleges for having allowed you to continue in the crippling intellectual beliefs your generation managed to escape the elementary and secondary schools with. In many ways you are victims.

Best of luck in the future.

___________________

awesome and true.

#######

 

[Henry Ford]

I can't count the number of times I've questioned a witness on an issue they responded to with "I can't even think about/look at/listen to X without getting sick/scared/PTSD." Yeah, well, imagine prepping for the questions I'm asking.

DW has it dead on. Wrong career.

 

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I had a cold for my 1L finals.

Took them anyway.

slap it high?

 

[Zow]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

___________________

What's actually funny is I know three lawyers that can't handle their own kids, let alone a room full of them; adolescents and young adults. Judges control the courtroom and lawyers thrive in that disciplined environment. Take the same lawyer out of that environment and they are lost without a disciplined leader.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Zow]

I had a cold for my 1L finals.

Took them anyway.

I got broken up with during both my first semester 1L finals and first semester 2L finals.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

we had exams postponed 4 days when a kid in our class committed suicide a day before our 2nd year fall exams started. Supposed to start on a thursday, postponed until Monday.

Whoa, you went to law school? Was it accredited?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I had a cold for my 1L finals.

Took them anyway.

I got broken up with during both my first semester 1L finals and first semester 2L finals.

First semester wasn't your thing. Way to rally, though.

 

[Aerial Assault]

I had a cold for my 1L finals.

Took them anyway.

I took (one of) the bar(s) with a cold. Soldiered through. Passed.

 

[snitwitch]

1st day of the CA bar when I took it, someone crapped their pants two rows in front of me. No joke. The test of course went on.

 

[Lutherman2112]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

___________________

What's actually funny is I know three lawyers that can't handle their own kids, let alone a room full of them; adolescents and young adults. Judges control the courtroom and lawyers thrive in that disciplined environment. Take the same lawyer out of that environment and they are lost without a disciplined leader.

WTF are you talking about?

T E A C H I N G ....was that slow enough for you? My experience has led me to believe that lawyers out of their element (the courtroom) make the worst teachers. Just look at law school.

Acquiring a theoretical legal education is one thing, actually helping clients solve real world legal problems is another. I have three friends from childhood that went to law school. One sells commercial real estate in south Florida, the other two are working in group practice. To a tee, they say law school teachers taught them nothing about real world practice...otherwise known as practical learning.

The median age of law school students is 24. That suggests that half of all 1L's are 21-24., while the other half are 25-49. Here's what car rental agencies and true educators know: the human brain does not reach maturity until the mid 20s. The 21-24 yo's in law school can't rent a damn car due to immaturity, but they can be cram packed with legal theories that law profs don't realize their students can barely and practically understand. Furthermore, these law profs send graduating students out to potentially practice law.

So one more time for the "bright legal scholar" that is WOZ...lawyers make terrible teachers.

Was that slow enough for you?

 

[Zow]

Dude I've been teaching college since I was 25. Gonna go ahead and disagree with your belief so thoroughly supported by anecdotal evidence.

 

[Henry Ford]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

___________________

What's actually funny is I know three lawyers that can't handle their own kids, let alone a room full of them; adolescents and young adults. Judges control the courtroom and lawyers thrive in that disciplined environment. Take the same lawyer out of that environment and they are lost without a disciplined leader.

WTF are you talking about?

T E A C H I N G ....was that slow enough for you? My experience has led me to believe that lawyers out of their element (the courtroom) make the worst teachers. Just look at law school.

Acquiring a theoretical legal education is one thing, actually helping clients solve real world legal problems is another. I have three friends from childhood that went to law school. One sells commercial real estate in south Florida, the other two are working in group practice. To a tee, they say law school teachers taught them nothing about real world practice...otherwise known as practical learning.

The median age of law school students is 24. That suggests that half of all 1L's are 21-24., while the other half are 25-49. Here's what car rental agencies and true educators know: the human brain does not reach maturity until the mid 20s. The 21-24 yo's in law school can't rent a damn car due to immaturity, but they can be cram packed with legal theories that law profs don't realize their students can barely and practically understand. Furthermore, these law profs send graduating students out to potentially practice law.

So one more time for the "bright legal scholar" that is WOZ...lawyers make terrible teachers.

Was that slow enough for you?

Maybe you should really break it down into a long, drawn-out, insulting post filled with the kind of comments that would make someone who doesn't know you think you're a dip####. I bet that would help.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I had a cold for my 1L finals.

Took them anyway.

slap it high?

:handsanitizer:

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

 

[Henry Ford]

It is time you consider teaching, in that profession your attitudes are well accepted

Do you deny that this sounds like something the worst of your tenured coworkers would suggest?

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Dude I've been teaching college since I was 25.

OMG, you must of banged a bevy of hot coeds, right?

 

[Christo]

####### Way to get ready for the real world. I was in court one day and had one of the parties in a case before mine collapse in the well. The judge called the remaining cases while the sheriff's deputies tended to him and called for paramedics. We had to step around the group and talk with the judge as he was splayed out on the floor gasping for breath.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Dude I've been teaching college since I was 25. Gonna go ahead and disagree with your belief so thoroughly supported by anecdotal evidence.

LOL. You don't teach at a university, or teach law.

You are the weakest. Want to know why?

Skepticism is a trait that ranges from being cynical, judgmental, questioning, argumentative and self-protective on the high end to accepting, trusting and giving the benefit of the doubt on the low end. The general population has an average score of 50 on skepticism, while among lawyers it is consistently the highest scoring trait, averaging 90. This trait can be very useful in the practice of law, particularly litigation, tax and M&A. However, most people tend to use their strongest traits in every arena of their lives, so this high level of skepticism is also carried over into partnership meetings, team deliberations and committee work (as well as personal relationships) that may call for more trust and collaboration.

Personal relationships? Sound familiar?

Also, when it comes to emotional intelligence, Muir points out that lawyers often don’t perceive their own, let alone others’, emotions. So “the emotional data that they are analyzing day in and day out is likely to be incomplete or inaccurate—lawyers are likely to be misreading what they themselves or others are feeling.“ In other words, they are out of touch with their own emotions and pretty clueless about others.

What, Woz misreading something? How about this: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=717696&p=17349759

I will concede this: I was wrong about lawyers being bad teachers. I should have said good lawyers make bad teachers.

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

 

[rockaction]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

I feel that way about rapists. But lawyers totally makes sense.

 

[rockaction]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

I feel that way about rapists. But lawyers totally makes sense.

About one in the same. Will the accused lawyers get due process on the college campus of your dreams?

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

I feel that way about rapists. But lawyers totally makes sense.

About one in the same. Will the accused lawyers get due process on the college campus of your dreams?

I have no idea what any of this means.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Minority student coalitions at Harvard and Georgetown law schools are pressing administrators to postpone or defer final exams because they claim they have experienced trauma over the recent grand jury decisions in the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner. The students are hoping for the same outcome granted to students at Columbia Law, another top-tier institution. Over the weekend Columbia Law’s interim dean, Robert Scott, announced that exams would be postponed for students who feel traumatized over the two grand jury decisions not to indict white police officers in the deaths of Brown and Garner, both of whom are black.

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

I feel that way about rapists. But lawyers totally makes sense.

About one in the same. Will the accused lawyers get due process on the college campus of your dreams?

I have no idea what any of this means.

I've read it six times, and I'm beginning to think you had a stroke while typing that.

 

[rockaction]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

I feel that way about rapists. But lawyers totally makes sense.

About one in the same. Will the accused lawyers get due process on the college campus of your dreams?

I have no idea what any of this means.

I've read it six times, and I'm beginning to think you had a stroke while typing that.

Heh. No.

You know what the first sentence means. You saw fit to come back and comment.

And if you don't remember the liberal lawyers stomping all over the George Will/Title IX thread and rape and due process, then maybe you just don't pay enough attention. Or did "rape" just spring up out of the blue?

I've searched it. It's a blank. But you and RMH were certainly calling him stupid and all over that thread.

So my question is: Do we need more lawyers? Do we need more budding lawyers? Do we need more non-practicing lawyers crafting civil rights and EEOC legislation? And do we need dip####s like Woz and the liberal teaching ilk teaching the future lawyers about due process?

Not really, IMO.

There, that clear?

 

[rockaction]

Minority student coalitions at Harvard and Georgetown law schools are pressing administrators to postpone or defer final exams because they claim they have experienced trauma over the recent grand jury decisions in the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner. The students are hoping for the same outcome granted to students at Columbia Law, another top-tier institution. Over the weekend Columbia Law’s interim dean, Robert Scott, announced that exams would be postponed for students who feel traumatized over the two grand jury decisions not to indict white police officers in the deaths of Brown and Garner, both of whom are black.

Perfect. I'm sold on this modern profession. You guys?

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, that blog entry from someone who couldn't hack it as a lawyer proves it. We're all jerks.

As someone who went to law school and passed the NY bar, yes.

Generally. My least favorite people anywhere are generally lawyers.

I feel that way about rapists. But lawyers totally makes sense.

About one in the same. Will the accused lawyers get due process on the college campus of your dreams?

I have no idea what any of this means.

I've read it six times, and I'm beginning to think you had a stroke while typing that.

Heh. No.

You know what the first sentence means. You saw fit to come back and comment.

Are you trying to say something like "those two things are roughly one and the same"? Because I think I subconsciously gave you the benefit of the doubt on the expression. Hence the confusion. It's that first sentence that just looked like a word jumble.

And if you don't remember the liberal lawyers stomping all over the George Will/Title IX thread and rape and due process, then maybe you just don't pay enough attention. Or did "rape" just spring up out of the blue?

Rapists sprang up out of the blue. Because I hate them more than lawyers and I didn't feel like saying "Nazis."

I've searched it. It's a blank. But you and RMH were certainly calling him stupid and all over that thread.

I probably did. Who is RMH?

So my question is: Do we need more lawyers? Do we need more budding lawyers? Do we need more non-practicing lawyers crafting civil rights and EEOC legislation? And do we need dip####s like Woz and the liberal teaching ilk teaching the future lawyers about due process?

Not really, IMO.

There, that clear?

No. Unless it's meant to convey a weird series of premises, leading to a stupid conclusion. Then, yes.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Interesting thread.

 

[rockaction]

RMH is Ramsay Hunt Experience. He, like you, was all over that thread. He, like you, should stop declaring and maybe take a look a bit around the landscape before insulting or issuing judgments from on legal high. But I know you can't help it. You're an advocate. Your declaratives about my simple statement that I hate most lawyers and your false equivalency with rapists, to which I responded hyperbolically, were indicative of your typical style. It's endemic to the profession, in my experience.

Good work, counselor.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

RMH is Ramsay Hunt Experience.

Makes sense.

 

[rockaction]

RMH is Ramsay Hunt Experience.

Makes sense.

I dropped the "Experience" and focused on the consonants because the name is kind of cliched and derivative. He could have just asked not to be self-banned and exercised some self-restraint.

Sounds like an alleged rapist to me.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

RMH is Ramsay Hunt Experience.

Makes sense.

I dropped the "Experience" and focused on the consonants because the name is kind of cliched and derivative. He could have just asked not to be self-banned and exercised some self-restraint.

Sounds like an alleged rapist to me.

OK then.

 

[rockaction]

RMH is Ramsay Hunt Experience.

Makes sense.

I dropped the "Experience" and focused on the consonants because the name is kind of cliched and derivative. He could have just asked not to be self-banned and exercised some self-restraint.

Sounds like an alleged rapist to me.

OK then.

Have you heard about Craig James while he was at SMU?