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Lawrence Timmons (1 Viewer)

The Steelers faced 35 rushing attempts this week. Should have been more than enough to exceed 2 solos. As Norton often points out one week is an aberration. But in this case is two weeks a trend?

Any thoughts here Jene?

:popcorn:

 
One thing I noticed from some detailed stats/info last week is that he switched from RILB to LILB in week 3. Not sure why the move was made but wonder if that may have something to do with it.

 
I think the PIT D-line is declining somewhat, affecting the linebackers behind them - such as Timmons. He's a great player but a function within the defense as a whole. Timmons is getting blocked more often. I'd buy low or hold tight (at least in Dynasty leagues, which is all I play in).

 
From ESPN: "Tomlin said Harrison will miss "some time" and that Lawrence Timmons will take over at Harrison's spot at right outside linebacker."

Does this help or hurt Timmons' value or doesn't affect it?

 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'J Giles Band said:
'Akira said:
From ESPN: "Tomlin said Harrison will miss "some time" and that Lawrence Timmons will take over at Harrison's spot at right outside linebacker."

Does this help or hurt Timmons' value or doesn't affect it?
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Hurts... :kicksrock:
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No freaking way.Harrisons (Pittsburgh's) 3-4 ROLB position has been fantasy gold platinum and diamonds.

It provides him with a seriously good opportunity.
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depends on your scoring. 3-4 OLBs are useless in my leagues
 
'Shane Falco said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'J Giles Band said:
'Akira said:
From ESPN: "Tomlin said Harrison will miss "some time" and that Lawrence Timmons will take over at Harrison's spot at right outside linebacker."

Does this help or hurt Timmons' value or doesn't affect it?
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Hurts... :kicksrock:
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No freaking way.Harrisons (Pittsburgh's) 3-4 ROLB position has been fantasy gold platinum and diamonds.

It provides him with a seriously good opportunity.
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depends on your scoring. 3-4 OLBs are useless in my leagues
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Pretty shameful.People like Ware, Harrison and Matthews are worthless? That needs to be fixed asap.

 
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'BigSteelThrill said:
'J Giles Band said:
'Akira said:
From ESPN: "Tomlin said Harrison will miss "some time" and that Lawrence Timmons will take over at Harrison's spot at right outside linebacker."

Does this help or hurt Timmons' value or doesn't affect it?
Click to expand...
Hurts... :kicksrock:
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No freaking way.Harrisons (Pittsburgh's) 3-4 ROLB position has been fantasy gold platinum and diamonds.

It provides him with a seriously good opportunity.
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Harrison in that spot might be gold but Timmons in that spot might be bronze if we're lucky...
 
To clarify my assessment that Timmons moving outside hurts his value... it absolutely hurts his value in tackle heavy scoring (which seems to be the closest thing to the norm here). In regard to this I have zero doubt. He played a number of snaps outside this past week, likely playing a role in his 2-solo performance.

In deference to BST, I agree that in a big play format it might actually help his value. That said, I wouldn't count on it.

:2cents:

 
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'BigSteelThrill said:
'J Giles Band said:
'Akira said:
From ESPN: "Tomlin said Harrison will miss "some time" and that Lawrence Timmons will take over at Harrison's spot at right outside linebacker."

Does this help or hurt Timmons' value or doesn't affect it?
Click to expand...
Hurts... :kicksrock:
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No freaking way.Harrisons (Pittsburgh's) 3-4 ROLB position has been fantasy gold platinum and diamonds.

It provides him with a seriously good opportunity.
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I dont know if it improves his value, but based on how he is playing, it would be interesing to see if his numbers see a jump.
 
in tackle heavy formats.. were would his value be compared to:

Hawthorne

Maualuga

Kavell Connor

Tulloch

Poz

Ruud

 
'flapgreen said:
Tell me this loser didn't play today. :hot:
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He played. Moving to outside to replace Harrison is going to hurt his stats for the foreseeable future. He did barely miss getting a sack today, Keisel got it instead.
 
Not even an Assisted Tackle today. I would not play him again until Harrison is healthy and Timmons moves back inside. Wow.

 
'J Giles Band said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'J Giles Band said:
'Akira said:
From ESPN: "Tomlin said Harrison will miss "some time" and that Lawrence Timmons will take over at Harrison's spot at right outside linebacker."

Does this help or hurt Timmons' value or doesn't affect it?
Click to expand...
Hurts... :kicksrock:
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No freaking way.Harrisons (Pittsburgh's) 3-4 ROLB position has been fantasy gold platinum and diamonds.

It provides him with a seriously good opportunity.
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<_<
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:bag:
 
'Otter said:
Not even an Assisted Tackle today. I would not play him again until Harrison is healthy and Timmons moves back inside. Wow.
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I don't think I would play him when that does happen. He has been brutal even when playing in the middle aside from week 1. He would have to hang at least 2 good games in a row at his ILB position before he sniffs my line-up again. Right now its killing me to even waste a roster space on him.
 
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Im not normally one to come and boast, but early last season I traded this guy to a Steelers fan for a first rounder.

Turned out to be the 1.01..........

And the real kicker is, it is not even a LB heavy league. Only start 2, but CB/S much more valuable with return yards.

Serious cause for a :thumbup:

 
Press conference with Tomlin:

Will Jason Worilds be a candidate to start or will you leave Lawrence Timmons at ROLB?"We are going to let that be determined based on how he looks during the week. As always, as these guys work and come off of injuries, we are not going to anoint or insert them into any roles whatsoever. We are going to watch them perform over the week and let them earn their roles if you will. We think that is appropriate. We did the same thing last week with Rashard Mendenhall and some others. We will do it with those guys as they work their way back in this week."Re: Lawrence Timmons:"He has done some nice things for us. He is still a guy in development from a minute detail standpoint, and some of the things that go with that position. Obviously, the minute details oftentimes are the things that produce the splash plays that we are kind of referring to. So, we are not going to worry so much about that. What we are going to worry about with him are the details of the assignment and the preparation throughout the week, to make sure he is on his screws. Those other things will come. He is a talented player. We are not displeased with what he has done thus far, and we will expect him to continue to improve, as I am sure he will."
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I would love to hear some opinions from the experts about Timmons' value going forward. He just got dropped in my league.

 
I may not be an "expert", but as a Steelers fan I'll say this....until he's moved back inside and Hampton is back in the lineup at close to 100% I wouldn't touch Timmons.

Hoke's been in for a few weeks at NT now for Pittsburgh since Hammy has shoulder issues(FWIW, even when Casey was playing he didn't look to be at full health, but that's just an opinion) and it looks like Hoke'll be in there again this Sunday. He's more of a penetrator, whereas Hampton takes up the blockers that you don't want getting to your inside guys. It's not the only reason that Timmons had been struggling prior to the move outside, but it hasn't helped.

The move outside is just a subpar fit. If he's kept outside for an extended period I'd steer clear, unless you have room to stash for his eventual move back inside. He's miscast as a straight "fire zone rush ROLB." He just doesn't seem to have enough rush moves to beat quick LTs one-on-one(it's either outside move or bull rush), and he doesn't seem to have Harrison's brute strength to just move the bigger ones out of the way one-on-one either, which is puzzling since the guy is ripped like crazy. Probably a leverage thing. Dunno.

In my mind, to get value out of Timmons he needs to be put back into the inside pursuit/the coverage guy and interior blitzer on 3rd downs role. That's what he's good at and that role lets him utilize his athleticism and speed to make plays vice trying to make him beat guys with guile/strength as the rush LB. Better suited to a "see the ball, go get the ball" role.

 
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'5-ish Finkle said:
I may not be an "expert", but as a Steelers fan I'll say this....until he's moved back inside and Hampton is back in the lineup at close to 100% I wouldn't touch Timmons. Hoke's been in for a few weeks at NT now for Pittsburgh since Hammy has shoulder issues(FWIW, even when Casey was playing he didn't look to be at full health, but that's just an opinion) and it looks like Hoke'll be in there again this Sunday. He's more of a penetrator, whereas Hampton takes up the blockers that you don't want getting to your inside guys. It's not the only reason that Timmons had been struggling prior to the move outside, but it hasn't helped. The move outside is just a subpar fit. If he's kept outside for an extended period I'd steer clear, unless you have room to stash for his eventual move back inside. He's miscast as a straight "fire zone rush ROLB." He just doesn't seem to have enough rush moves to beat quick LTs one-on-one(it's either outside move or bull rush), and he doesn't seem to have Harrison's brute strength to just move the bigger ones out of the way one-on-one either, which is puzzling since the guy is ripped like crazy. Probably a leverage thing. Dunno. In my mind, to get value out of Timmons he needs to be put back into the inside pursuit/the coverage guy and interior blitzer on 3rd downs role. That's what he's good at and that role lets him utilize his athleticism and speed to make plays vice trying to make him beat guys with guile/strength as the rush LB. Better suited to a "see the ball, go get the ball" role.
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Thanks
 
He has to be the biggest flop this year for IDP. Isn't it contract year for him next year? I mean wouldn't his value go down after this year's performance or stats don't matter in the NFL?

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
I may not be an "expert", but as a Steelers fan I'll say this....until he's moved back inside and Hampton is back in the lineup at close to 100% I wouldn't touch Timmons. Hoke's been in for a few weeks at NT now for Pittsburgh since Hammy has shoulder issues(FWIW, even when Casey was playing he didn't look to be at full health, but that's just an opinion) and it looks like Hoke'll be in there again this Sunday. He's more of a penetrator, whereas Hampton takes up the blockers that you don't want getting to your inside guys. It's not the only reason that Timmons had been struggling prior to the move outside, but it hasn't helped. The move outside is just a subpar fit. If he's kept outside for an extended period I'd steer clear, unless you have room to stash for his eventual move back inside. He's miscast as a straight "fire zone rush ROLB." He just doesn't seem to have enough rush moves to beat quick LTs one-on-one(it's either outside move or bull rush), and he doesn't seem to have Harrison's brute strength to just move the bigger ones out of the way one-on-one either, which is puzzling since the guy is ripped like crazy. Probably a leverage thing. Dunno. In my mind, to get value out of Timmons he needs to be put back into the inside pursuit/the coverage guy and interior blitzer on 3rd downs role. That's what he's good at and that role lets him utilize his athleticism and speed to make plays vice trying to make him beat guys with guile/strength as the rush LB. Better suited to a "see the ball, go get the ball" role.
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Not just blowing smoke. This post and a few others are some of the most insightful I've seen on this site in three years. Combined with Jene and Mr. Norton's articles it has helped with tough decision-making on easily the biggest enigma of the year. :thumbup:
 
I see the point but suppose it depends on the person...
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I agree. It is completely dependent upon the player. Just using the Steelers as an example, Roethlisberger signed a gigantic contract extension a few years back and arguably got better. At the very least he stayed at the same high level. Polamalu and Harrison were given big extensions and maintained a high level. I'm sure every team has a host of examples of guys who got paid that didn't roll over the following season. Big Bully's a good example too.

Anyway, I don't know if that's the case with Timmons or not. What I do know is that there have been key injuries in that front 7 that are effecting the productivity of the entire unit, not just Timmons. To just slough it off as him getting paid seems like the easy way out. Woodley has struggled nearly as much as Timmons has and he's in a contract year. Shouldn't he be going balls crazy cuz his "belly's empty?" Again...just sounds too easy

I maintain that the loss of Hampton, the poor showing(and now likely retirement) of Smith and Keisel missing time early probably have more to do with how poorly the Steelers front 7, and Timmons, have played than the fact that he has a fatter wallet now. Guy was a first rounder. Not like he was getting paid like an indentured servant. Could it be that? Certainly. I want to see him "quit" with a real 3-man line in front of him before I totally write him off.

Keisel's healthy, Hampton's reportedly on the way back(he says he'll play this week) and Heyward/Hood should be splitting reps at Smith's spot at LDE(and, FWIW, Hood looked way better on the left last year than he did at RDE this season). So, all might not be totally lost for Timmons yet. In dynasty, I don't know how you can cut the guy unless you're in a serious roster crunch.

In redraft, I can totally understand not being able to wait/not touching him until the DL in front of him gets healthier/gels and he gets put back inside where he belongs.

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
I see the point but suppose it depends on the person...
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I agree. It is completely dependent upon the player. Just using the Steelers as an example, Roethlisberger signed a gigantic contract extension a few years back and arguably got better. At the very least he stayed at the same high level. Polamalu and Harrison were given big extensions and maintained a high level. I'm sure every team has a host of examples of guys who got paid that didn't roll over the following season. Big Bully's a good example too.

Anyway, I don't know if that's the case with Timmons or not. What I do know is that there have been key injuries in that front 7 that are effecting the productivity of the entire unit, not just Timmons. To just slough it off as him getting paid seems like the easy way out. Woodley has struggled nearly as much as Timmons has and he's in a contract year. Shouldn't he be going balls crazy cuz his "belly's empty?" Again...just sounds too easy

I maintain that the loss of Hampton, the poor showing(and now likely retirement) of Smith and Keisel missing time early probably have more to do with how poorly the Steelers front 7, and Timmons, have played than the fact that he has a fatter wallet now. Guy was a first rounder. Not like he was getting paid like an indentured servant. Could it be that? Certainly. I want to see him "quit" with a real 3-man line in front of him before I totally write him off.

Keisel's healthy, Hampton's reportedly on the way back(he says he'll play this week) and Heyward/Hood should be splitting reps at Smith's spot at LDE(and, FWIW, Hood looked way better on the left last year than he did at RDE this season). So, all might not be totally lost for Timmons yet. In dynasty, I don't know how you can cut the guy unless you're in a serious roster crunch.

In redraft, I can totally understand not being able to wait/not touching him until the DL in front of him gets healthier/gels and he gets put back inside where he belongs.
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I think Timmons is a reasonable stash in annual leagues as he could get on a tear once we get closer to the FF playoffs
 
I'm assuming most people's frustrations are coming from redrafts? But what about Dynasty? Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me this seems like a temporary problem since he's been moved outside. I'm guessing Harrisson or Worilds coming back would move Timmons back inside this year. Worst case this lasts the rest of the year, then someone is drafted, signed (or a player returns to health) in the offseason to give the Steelers a player at OLB so they can move Timmons back inside.

 
Sounds like James Harrison will be back this week. I have to admit, I'm really tempted to pick up Timmons and stash him on my bench as my LB4 in case he has a big 2nd half. I would have to drop someone decent, though (probably Daryl Washington). Is it crazy to think Timmons finishes the year really strong?

 
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