Lawsuit against Patriots*** $29,000,000 (1 Viewer)

[{Syrus}]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

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And the hits keep on comin'!!! 18-1

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

Anybody think any Eagles ex-players might file a lawsuit also :(

 

[bcr8f]

Anybody think any Eagles ex-players might file a lawsuit also :(

Hmmm. Hugh Douglas?

 

[{Syrus}]

This is quickly spiraling out of control for the Patriots. Their tight-lipped, burn the tapes attitude is backfiring. What a disaster from "the model organization" of sports. NOT.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

Anybody think any Eagles ex-players might file a lawsuit also

Hmmm. Hugh Douglas?

He's the first one that came to my mind also.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

 

[{Syrus}]

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

A professional football head coach videotaping opponents for 8 years or more is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Actually, Bellicheck leaving the SuperBowl field early like a pouting child takes the cake.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

Stephen Davis files a lawsuit from 2004?

 

[fred_1_15301]

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

I hate the Patriots but this guy is an idiot. Anyways, if the Pats hadn't cheated, the Steelers would have won the AFC Championship game and beaten the Rams in the superbowl....

 

[phthalatemagic]

 

[QuizGuy66]

Wonder if Tony Eason will file suit for Super Bowl XX ?

-QG

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

Wonder if Tony Eason will file suit for Super Bowl XX ?-QG

:IBTL:

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

:IBTL: Wonder if Tony Eason will file suit for Super Bowl XX ?-QG

Bledsoe?

 

[switz]

This is just WAY TOO FUNNY

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I doubt much comes of this, but can't say I'm sorry to see Goodell's effort to good-ol'-boy this thing to death has blown up on him bigtime.

 

[Serenity Now]

This is quickly spiraling out of control for the Patriots. Their tight-lipped, burn the tapes attitude is backfiring. What a disaster from "the model organization" of sports. NOT.

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did. Whether that was the right thing to do or not has nothing to do with the Pats.Honestly, I think it would have been better for everyone if they had kept the tapes so all of you could see how assinine all this is.

 

[AnonymousBob]

This will go nowhere but it's still going to be yet another needle in the side of Robert Kraft...these lawsuit charges, as frivilous as they may be, aren't free to fight.

 

[Banger]

Dismissed!

 

[ichris]

Dismissed!

 

[The Shizzle]

Willie Gary is an ex NFL player that will now be known as an embarrassment. Wait, no one will remember him anyways.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Awesome! What a bunch of tools. Maybe they can sue the hospital too, as the first ones to spank them on their ### to make them cry.

 

[dudaman]

Well, now that I just found out my cheatin' Pats jacked my season ticket to $1200 for the year, think they'll feel guilty and slash the price if they are found guilty? Didn't think so.

 

[Jimmy James]

Actually, I wonder if those with tickets to Pats games all over the NFL will now file suit.

As much as I really think Goodell and BB are going to have to be jettisoned by the league over this, I don't know that I can seriously support filing a lawsuit over it. Is a lawsuit against Johnny Fairplay ruining Survivor by telling a lie the next step?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

That's not really the minimum. The minimum is that the case will be dismissed on a 12(b)(6) or similar motion.But Walsh's story coming out is certainly a possibility.

 

[{Syrus}]

This is quickly spiraling out of control for the Patriots. Their tight-lipped, burn the tapes attitude is backfiring. What a disaster from "the model organization" of sports. NOT.

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did. Whether that was the right thing to do or not has nothing to do with the Pats.Honestly, I think it would have been better for everyone if they had kept the tapes so all of you could see how assinine all this is.

You can't seem to read between the lines or grasp the reference I'm making. I'm not at all convinced the Patriots handed over ALL of their cheating materials to the NFL in the first place. The Patriots ignored Roger Goodell's initial requests that they hand over all of their materials for almost 5 days. Later in the week they finally respond to Goodell and hand over SOME tapes. I'm sure the Patriots did some burning of their own during the time they were playing dumb and stalling. Understand now?

 

[Routilla]

They should make Kraft and BB step down. The integrity of the league is at stake.

 

[Das Boot]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

This is pretty cool... and far from a frivolous case as a lot of apologists would like to claim.If the accusations prove to be true, and given the Patriots' history of cheating that seems to be a good bet, it will be very interesting to see how far the fallout extends.

 

[AB in DC]

Seriously...how easy it to file a class-action lawsuit?

If I thought that Microsoft was secretly transmitting mind-control waves directly to my brain, could I go down to the court house and file a class-action suit on behalf of every Windows user?

 

[Road Warriors]

This is quickly spiraling out of control for the Patriots. Their tight-lipped, burn the tapes attitude is backfiring. What a disaster from "the model organization" of sports. NOT.

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did. Whether that was the right thing to do or not has nothing to do with the Pats.Honestly, I think it would have been better for everyone if they had kept the tapes so all of you could see how assinine all this is.

You can't seem to read between the lines or grasp the reference I'm making. I'm not at all convinced the Patriots handed over ALL of their cheating materials to the NFL in the first place. The Patriots ignored Roger Goodell's initial requests that they hand over all of their materials for almost 5 days. Later in the week they finally respond to Goodell and hand over SOME tapes. I'm sure the Patriots did some burning of their own during the time they were playing dumb and stalling. Understand now?

or do you have video of the Patriots destroying tapes?

Try to stick to facts on occasion.

 

[Road Warriors]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

This is pretty cool... and far from a frivolous case as a lot of apologists would like to claim.If the accusations prove to be true, and given the Patriots' history of cheating that seems to be a good bet, it will be very interesting to see how far the fallout extends.

I'd expect this to get just as much court action as the Jets fan frivolous lawsuit from Sept. At least there was evidence of something happening in that case... here we have a report from a source that something may have happened. Good luck with that as your backing evidence in a civil proceeding.

 

[Das Boot]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

This is pretty cool... and far from a frivolous case as a lot of apologists would like to claim.If the accusations prove to be true, and given the Patriots' history of cheating that seems to be a good bet, it will be very interesting to see how far the fallout extends.

I'd expect this to get just as much court action as the Jets fan frivolous lawsuit from Sept. At least there was evidence of something happening in that case... here we have a report from a source that something may have happened. Good luck with that as your backing evidence in a civil proceeding.

I would think the existence of an ex-employee of the Patriots who says he has tapes in his possession would be sufficient basis for a lawsuit.

 

[Road Warriors]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

This is pretty cool... and far from a frivolous case as a lot of apologists would like to claim.If the accusations prove to be true, and given the Patriots' history of cheating that seems to be a good bet, it will be very interesting to see how far the fallout extends.

I'd expect this to get just as much court action as the Jets fan frivolous lawsuit from Sept. At least there was evidence of something happening in that case... here we have a report from a source that something may have happened. Good luck with that as your backing evidence in a civil proceeding.

I would think the existence of an ex-employee of the Patriots who says he has tapes in his possession would be sufficient basis for a lawsuit.

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the plaintiff would have to have the tape in question to bring a lawsuit and not have it dismissed. And, FWIW, the Jets fans that filed did have the tape of the incident available, and it was still thrown out. This has no legs beyond embarassing the NFL and the Patriots.

 

[Das Boot]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

This is pretty cool... and far from a frivolous case as a lot of apologists would like to claim.If the accusations prove to be true, and given the Patriots' history of cheating that seems to be a good bet, it will be very interesting to see how far the fallout extends.

I'd expect this to get just as much court action as the Jets fan frivolous lawsuit from Sept. At least there was evidence of something happening in that case... here we have a report from a source that something may have happened. Good luck with that as your backing evidence in a civil proceeding.

I would think the existence of an ex-employee of the Patriots who says he has tapes in his possession would be sufficient basis for a lawsuit.

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the plaintiff would have to have the tape in question to bring a lawsuit and not have it dismissed. And, FWIW, the Jets fans that filed did have the tape of the incident available, and it was still thrown out. This has no legs beyond embarassing the NFL and the Patriots.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I disagree that it has no legs.The fact that this involves the Superbowl should help keep the case from being easily dismissed, as Goodell and the NFL will push for.

What's truly scary is that Matt Walsh is contemplating turning his tapes over the NFL - which will result in this case getting buried just as quickly as Goodell can destroy Walsh's tapes.

 

[AB in DC]

I would think the existence of an ex-employee of the Patriots who says he has tapes in his possession would be sufficient basis for a lawsuit.

And never mind the fact that Walsh hasn't actually said that.

 

[Finless]

This is almost as much of a witch hunt at the Clemens story

 

[{Syrus}]

POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

This is pretty cool... and far from a frivolous case as a lot of apologists would like to claim.If the accusations prove to be true, and given the Patriots' history of cheating that seems to be a good bet, it will be very interesting to see how far the fallout extends.

I'd expect this to get just as much court action as the Jets fan frivolous lawsuit from Sept. At least there was evidence of something happening in that case... here we have a report from a source that something may have happened. Good luck with that as your backing evidence in a civil proceeding.

I would think the existence of an ex-employee of the Patriots who says he has tapes in his possession would be sufficient basis for a lawsuit.

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the plaintiff would have to have the tape in question to bring a lawsuit and not have it dismissed. And, FWIW, the Jets fans that filed did have the tape of the incident available, and it was still thrown out. This has no legs beyond embarassing the NFL and the Patriots.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I disagree that it has no legs.The fact that this involves the Superbowl should help keep the case from being easily dismissed, as Goodell and the NFL will push for.

What's truly scary is that Matt Walsh is contemplating turning his tapes over the NFL - which will result in this case getting buried just as quickly as Goodell can destroy Walsh's tapes.

Exactly. It's funny to see Goodell and the NFL trying to bait Walsh into handing over any and all evidence to THEM in return for legal protection. Goodell will then promptly destroy any material Walsh has and then claim he acted justly so that other teams could not benefit from the material. Walsh better hold out for the federal courts or congress to handle this matter. Goodell has proven he can no longer be trusted.

 

[GregR_2]

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

That's not really the minimum. The minimum is that the case will be dismissed on a 12(b)(6) or similar motion.But Walsh's story coming out is certainly a possibility.

What's are the legal implications for Walsh if he is subpoenaed to testify on the matter given his (reported) non-disclosure agreement with the Patriots? Is talking on the stand in such a situation going to free him to talk about matters that otherwise he couldn't discuss without violating the non-disclosure agreement?

 

[QuizGuy66]

Wonder if Tony Eason will file suit for Super Bowl XX ?-QG

Bledsoe?

Probably still wearing his Seahawk foam finger around that time (he played in XXXI).-QG

 

[Das Boot]

I would think the existence of an ex-employee of the Patriots who says he has tapes in his possession would be sufficient basis for a lawsuit.

And never mind the fact that Walsh hasn't actually said that.

Walsh hasn't said he has tapes?

 

[Phlash]

{Syrus}, you're almost as bad as Dman30

You do realize that you're the disease that is slowly killing the Shark Pool, right? People like you are pulling the Shark Pool away from the original intent of the forum - to provide a grounds for discussing fantasy football and news in the football world and instead bringing many of the topics to the level of a celebrity gossip magazine. Is this Patriots SpyGate stuff relevant? You bet it is. But with your constant whining and trolling, you're taking what could have been a good topic for discussion and instead bringing down the maturity level of the thread, and subsequently every thread that you have graced with your presence. Your insults and constant bashing have not swayed or helped anyone nor will they ever. Please leave if you're not going to change, for the sake and sanity of the rest of us.

 

[{Syrus}]

{Syrus}, you're almost as bad as Dman30 You do realize that you're the disease that is slowly killing the Shark Pool, right? People like you are pulling the Shark Pool away from the original intent of the forum - to provide a grounds for discussing fantasy football and news in the football world and instead bringing many of the topics to the level of a celebrity gossip magazine. Is this Patriots SpyGate stuff relevant? You bet it is. But with your constant whining and trolling, you're taking what could have been a good topic for discussion and instead bringing down the maturity level of the thread, and subsequently every thread that you have graced with your presence. Your insults and constant bashing have not swayed or helped anyone nor will they ever. Please leave if you're not going to change, for the sake and sanity of the rest of us.

And yet you post in this thread. If you don't like it, don't post. Simple as that.

 

[Class Dismissed]

{Syrus}, you're almost as bad as Dman30 You do realize that you're the disease that is slowly killing the Shark Pool, right? People like you are pulling the Shark Pool away from the original intent of the forum - to provide a grounds for discussing fantasy football and news in the football world and instead bringing many of the topics to the level of a celebrity gossip magazine. Is this Patriots SpyGate stuff relevant? You bet it is. But with your constant whining and trolling, you're taking what could have been a good topic for discussion and instead bringing down the maturity level of the thread, and subsequently every thread that you have graced with your presence. Your insults and constant bashing have not swayed or helped anyone nor will they ever. Please leave if you're not going to change, for the sake and sanity of the rest of us.

Everybody does it.It's really not that big of a deal anyway.

 

[SteelerMurf]

This is quickly spiraling out of control for the Patriots. Their tight-lipped, burn the tapes attitude is backfiring. What a disaster from "the model organization" of sports. NOT.

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did. Whether that was the right thing to do or not has nothing to do with the Pats.Honestly, I think it would have been better for everyone if they had kept the tapes so all of you could see how assinine all this is.

You don't destroy the tapes unless there was something big on them.Don't worry, Walsh will put the cherry on top of an already ruined reputation of that fake "model franchise".

 

[SteelerMurf]

This is quickly spiraling out of control for the Patriots. Their tight-lipped, burn the tapes attitude is backfiring. What a disaster from "the model organization" of sports. NOT.

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did. Whether that was the right thing to do or not has nothing to do with the Pats.Honestly, I think it would have been better for everyone if they had kept the tapes so all of you could see how assinine all this is.

You can't seem to read between the lines or grasp the reference I'm making. I'm not at all convinced the Patriots handed over ALL of their cheating materials to the NFL in the first place. The Patriots ignored Roger Goodell's initial requests that they hand over all of their materials for almost 5 days. Later in the week they finally respond to Goodell and hand over SOME tapes. I'm sure the Patriots did some burning of their own during the time they were playing dumb and stalling. Understand now?

or do you have video of the Patriots destroying tapes?

Try to stick to facts on occasion.

Well actually, read around a little and Spector has pretty much said they did destroy or tape over games prior to 2006.

 

[fatness]

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did.

The tapes were destroyed in Foxboro.

Specter said it was unsettling to learn that the tapes, as well as notes, turned over by the Patriots in September had been destroyed in Foxborough, Mass., rather than in the league's New York offices. Aiello said that the documents and tapes were destroyed after they were reviewed by NFL officials Jeffrey Pash and Ray Anderson and that the call to destroy the material came from Goodell, saying "There's no further use for it, so he said get rid of it."

ESPN

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Guess you still don't have the facts straight either. The Pats did not destroy the tapes. The NFL league office did.

The tapes were destroyed in Foxboro.

Specter said it was unsettling to learn that the tapes, as well as notes, turned over by the Patriots in September had been destroyed in Foxborough, Mass., rather than in the league's New York offices. Aiello said that the documents and tapes were destroyed after they were reviewed by NFL officials Jeffrey Pash and Ray Anderson and that the call to destroy the material came from Goodell, saying "There's no further use for it, so he said get rid of it."

ESPN

The tapes were destroyed in Foxboro. This is true, I was the one that made sure of it.

When I said 'Breaking down the tapes' what did you think I was talking about?

 

[fatness]

I was replying to Serenity Now.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

{Syrus}, you're almost as bad as Dman30 You do realize that you're the disease that is slowly killing the Shark Pool, right? People like you are pulling the Shark Pool away from the original intent of the forum - to provide a grounds for discussing fantasy football and news in the football world and instead bringing many of the topics to the level of a celebrity gossip magazine. Is this Patriots SpyGate stuff relevant? You bet it is. But with your constant whining and trolling, you're taking what could have been a good topic for discussion and instead bringing down the maturity level of the thread, and subsequently every thread that you have graced with your presence. Your insults and constant bashing have not swayed or helped anyone nor will they ever. Please leave if you're not going to change, for the sake and sanity of the rest of us.

Everybody does it.It's really not that big of a deal anyway.

I love irony.

 

[Pat Patriot]

What a ridiculous lawsuit.

1. It makes sense that there are no tapes pre-2006. Why would the Pats keep them? They are dated and have already been reviewed and notes have been taken. Goodell said there were 6 tapes and notes that went much further back.

2. The Patriots did not tape signals EVERY game. The taping that took place was to be used for an opponent they would or would likely play again later in the season. ie. the Jets from 2007. If I recall, the Patriots did not play Carolina or Philly previously that year. How are those wins tainted if they didnt have film on those teams?

3. Most Patriots fans are pissed at Goodell for destroying the tapes because he has left the window open for yahoos like in this thread to make up fantasies about what could possibly be on the tapes. Pats fans wanted the tapes released. It would have at least ended this ridiculous speculation once and for all.

4. This frivolous lawsuit will never see a courtroom. Just ridiculous.

4. If Matt Walsh had anything to

 

[fatness]

Further information on the "competing" kinds of indemnity --- the indemnity offered by the NFL, and the indemnity sought by Walsh. This is a long read, but it's worth reading:

Walsh's attorney says NFL indemnification offer falls short

The league offer:

". . . This will confirm that, subject only to the limited conditions set forth below, neither the National Football League, nor the New England Patriots, nor any of their affiliates will initiate litigation or arbitration proceedings against Mr. Walsh for the truthful disclosure to Senator Specter or his staff or to the League of facts of which Mr. Walsh may have become aware while employed by the Patriots. This commitment extends to the disclosure of factual information that might otherwise be deemed confidential or a trade secret. In return, you have confirmed that Mr. Walsh will share with the League office the same information that he shares with the Senator or his staff, and that he will do so at about the same time that he speaks with the Senator and/or his staff.

"The commitment is conditioned upon Mr. Walsh's promptly returning to the League Office, after he has been interviewed by Senator Specter or his staff, any and all documents or other items that he may have taken improperly from the Patriots during the period of his employment there, or which are otherwise the property of the Patriots, and his confirming, in writing, that all such documents or items have been returned. If Mr. Walsh's disclosures are truthful, the commitment not to initiate litigation or arbitration proceedings referred to above shall extend to the improper removal of any items that are returned."

What Walsh's attorney wants:

"The National Football League and any and all of its affiliates (the "League"), on behalf of itself and the New England Patriots and any and all of its affiliates (the "Patriots"), agrees to indemnify, defend and hold Mr. Walsh harmless from and against all losses, liabilities, damages, costs, fines, expenses, deficiencies, taxes, and reasonable fees and expenses of counsel and agents, including but not limited to any costs incurred responding to any investigation, inquiry, or proceeding or in the course of enforcement of this agreement, which may be sustained by Mr. Walsh arising out of, related to or connected with, directly or indirectly, (i) the employment of Mr. Walsh by the Patriots and any actions undertaken by him in the course of his employment, (ii) the taking or retention by Mr. Walsh of any information, documents or other materials that may be deemed to belong to (or constitute or contain confidential information or trade secrets of) the League or the Patriots, or (iii) any disclosure by Mr. Walsh of any such information, documents or materials to any person or entity, including the alleged untruthfulness in that disclosure absent bad faith on the part of Mr. Walsh ("Claims"). The League and the Patriots also fully and finally release and forever discharge Mr. Walsh from any and all Claims that the League or the Patriots may now have, have ever had, or may have, whether known or unknown, suspected or unsuspected, related in any way to the matters described above. The League and the Patriots are aware that, under the law of certain jurisdictions, a release may not extend to certain claims that a person does not know or suspect exist at the time when the release is executed. To the greatest extent permissible, the League, on behalf of itself and the Patriots, expressly waives the benefit of those laws and acknowledges that it intends this release to extend to the full extent described. Neither the League nor the Patriots will institute, maintain, prosecute, or authorize to be commenced any action or other proceeding against Mr. Walsh either in law or equity based in whole or in part upon any of the foregoing."

The difference is that the NFL will not indemnify Walsh if he testifies honestly, but is wrong about something, or if someone says he's wrong about something. In other words, if he's wrong but testifies in "good faith", Walsh wants indemnity and the NFL won't give it. It's easy to see why Walsh would think the NFL might be ready to jump on any perceived inaccuracy, and use that to void their indemnity agreement, allowing the Patriots to sue Walsh. The NFL, remember, has already hired an ex-FBI agent to investigate Walsh.