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[Scorehoard]

We are having a huge issue with our playoff setup. These are some posts made by owners in our league.

Poll:

Should we change the playoff setup to like that of the NFL? (The top seed will play the worst team in the second round)??

If the brackets were as is today. (Interesting how the three highest in points are in the same bracket.

See why I wanted the playoffs to change.)

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"Ialso agree that we should change. Especially since we voted on this exact thing at our draft party and said ALL RULES ARE SET IN STONE. And also what makes the worst team in the league? Worst points that make it or worse recocord? Again, exact arguement we had when the last commish retired. And that was, THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE RECORD AND POINTS WORTH THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYOFF SCENARIOS, hence the way it is. This league cannot continue to change rules. This is fantasy football and this league was formed to represent that. By changing the way it is we are putting high emphasis on points, which may not be a bad thing, but realize what we are doing. Don't just say this is the way it should be.

Remember someone always gets hosed regardless. What I am saying and how I set the league up was supposed to be fair to everyone...Including High points versus High record."

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"Correct me if I'm wrong but are Laws (Rules) often reworded, revised, changed, or added? For that to happen situations arise in an unforeseen manner that requires some revision. Maybe this does and maybe this doesn't require revision as this is food for thought for those on the fence. Personally, I think something like playoff format should be something that is set in stone. I guess we wait til Week 10 or 11 and see how this plays out."

How are your playoffs formatted and where do you put more emphasis... That is a given the #1 seed should play the winner of the 4/5 seeded game. Help

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

changing the rules in the middle of the season is bush league. end of story.

 

[Da Guru]

At our seasone ending party every year we go over rules we don`t like or new rules we want to put in for the next season and take a vote on all the changes.

You can`t change in mid-season.

 

[radballs]

You can't change in midseason, but we seed using total points except for the two division winners with the best H2H record. Those two teams get the bye. All of the following rounds of each week of the playoffs are seeded by total points. Then, in any given playoff matchup the higher seeded team gets additional points for the average weekly point differential between his team and his opponent's.

 

[inca911]

Of course you can change mid season. With unanimous vote you can do whatever you want.

Our league uses overall record, with total points tiebreakers to seed playoff teams. Then best plays worst throughout based on those regular season playoff seeding.

 

[Skipdog77]

If you are using head to head throughout the regular season, your playoff seeds should be based on record. That's the whole point of playing H2H. If you want to seed based on total points, why have a weekly H2H matchup ? Just go to a total point, no division format.

Sometimes the team with the best record doesn't have the most points, and teams with the most points don't have the best record...people need to deal with it. That's half the fun (and agony) of the game.

A few years ago we had one team go 12-2, and ont team go 2-12...the total season point difference between them ? 25 freakin points, over 14 weeks. Less than 2 pts a week, and a 10 game swing in the record.

I'm currently 7-2 in my league, with almost 140 pts between myself and the next highest scoring team. That team is currently 8-1, and basically two games up on me in our division, since he beat me in our first matchup. That's the way it goes...but if he ends up with a better record, he deserves the division title, even if I outscore him by 300 pts on the season. We play H2H to decide our regular season, and that's how the seeds should be handed out.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I would immediately quit any league that changed rules mid-season. That's hack.

 

[jasvic]

I would immediately quit any league that changed rules mid-season. That's hack.

I disagree. If it's a unanimous vote, then why wait? But if just one owner is against it, then put it off until next year.

 

[sdsjr3]

If you are using head to head throughout the regular season, your playoff seeds should be based on record. That's the whole point of playing H2H. If you want to seed based on total points, why have a weekly H2H matchup ? Just go to a total point, no division format.Sometimes the team with the best record doesn't have the most points, and teams with the most points don't have the best record...people need to deal with it. That's half the fun (and agony) of the game. A few years ago we had one team go 12-2, and ont team go 2-12...the total season point difference between them ? 25 freakin points, over 14 weeks. Less than 2 pts a week, and a 10 game swing in the record. I'm currently 7-2 in my league, with almost 140 pts between myself and the next highest scoring team. That team is currently 8-1, and basically two games up on me in our division, since he beat me in our first matchup. That's the way it goes...but if he ends up with a better record, he deserves the division title, even if I outscore him by 300 pts on the season. We play H2H to decide our regular season, and that's how the seeds should be handed out.

 

[craigboy]

I would immediately quit any league that changed rules mid-season. That's hack.

I disagree. If it's a unanimous vote, then why wait? But if just one owner is against it, then put it off until next year.

Exactly, if EVERYONE agrees then there should be no problem.

 

[NOONAN]

If you are using head to head throughout the regular season, your playoff seeds should be based on record. That's the whole point of playing H2H. If you want to seed based on total points, why have a weekly H2H matchup ? Just go to a total point, no division format.Sometimes the team with the best record doesn't have the most points, and teams with the most points don't have the best record...people need to deal with it. That's half the fun (and agony) of the game. A few years ago we had one team go 12-2, and ont team go 2-12...the total season point difference between them ? 25 freakin points, over 14 weeks. Less than 2 pts a week, and a 10 game swing in the record. I'm currently 7-2 in my league, with almost 140 pts between myself and the next highest scoring team. That team is currently 8-1, and basically two games up on me in our division, since he beat me in our first matchup. That's the way it goes...but if he ends up with a better record, he deserves the division title, even if I outscore him by 300 pts on the season. We play H2H to decide our regular season, and that's how the seeds should be handed out.

Excellent distinction between H2H and overallpoints. Be one or the other and let your playoff format align with that. However, that HAS to be determined prior to the beginning of the year. Unforeseen situations can be changed/voted on mid-season. Playoff format is not unforeseen. You have to go with what you set up at the start. BTW 18 yr commish-same league!!!

 

[ravnzfan]

We are having a huge issue with our playoff setup. These are some posts made by owners in our league.

Poll:

Should we change the playoff setup to like that of the NFL? (The top seed will play the worst team in the second round)??

If the brackets were as is today. (Interesting how the three highest in points are in the same bracket.

See why I wanted the playoffs to change.)

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"Ialso agree that we should change. Especially since we voted on this exact thing at our draft party and said ALL RULES ARE SET IN STONE. And also what makes the worst team in the league? Worst points that make it or worse recocord? Again, exact arguement we had when the last commish retired. And that was, THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE RECORD AND POINTS WORTH THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYOFF SCENARIOS, hence the way it is. This league cannot continue to change rules. This is fantasy football and this league was formed to represent that. By changing the way it is we are putting high emphasis on points, which may not be a bad thing, but realize what we are doing. Don't just say this is the way it should be.

Remember someone always gets hosed regardless. What I am saying and how I set the league up was supposed to be fair to everyone...Including High points versus High record."

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"Correct me if I'm wrong but are Laws (Rules) often reworded, revised, changed, or added? For that to happen situations arise in an unforeseen manner that requires some revision. Maybe this does and maybe this doesn't require revision as this is food for thought for those on the fence. Personally, I think something like playoff format should be something that is set in stone. I guess we wait til Week 10 or 11 and see how this plays out."

How are your playoffs formatted and where do you put more emphasis... That is a given the #1 seed should play the winner of the 4/5 seeded game. Help

2 division winners play the 2 Wild Cards, who get in on points scored, not record...Div winner w/best record (#1 seed) plays the WC-2, the Wild Card w/the fewer points scored2nd from 1 division plays the 3rd from the other in the other games

the following week, the games are reseeded where the highest remaining seed plays the lowest, and so on

 

[Keg]

Seems like every year there are leagues that have issues with either trades or rules interpretations etc

So my question is would you pay to have a commish service that can one supply you with a set of rules and then allow them to make all rulings and judgements on issues that arise in your league?

If so what would you consider a reasonable fee?

Commish service only:

$5/yr

$10/yr

$15/yr?

more?

Commish service with rules:

$5 for basic redraft?

$10 or more for keeper and dyansty leagues?

$$ charges in the future for changes/additions to the rules?($1 or $2 or more?)

just curious how people would embrace a service like this

 

[PACKER 7]

changing the rules in the middle of the season is bush league. end of story.

Different issue, but how about if you find out in mid-season that the league website was set-up not to match the scoring rules listed in your league by-laws?For example, your league rules exactly state QBs get 6 points for passing TDs, but the league website was by accident set-up incorrectly. (I know that passing TDs would be noticed earlier, but that's just an example).Should you correct all games scoring from back to week one or let it ride?IMO, it's just like any other stat correction. Once found it must be corrected.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I would immediately quit any league that changed rules mid-season. That's hack.

I disagree. If it's a unanimous vote, then why wait? But if just one owner is against it, then put it off until next year.

Exactly, if EVERYONE agrees then there should be no problem.

It wouldn't be unanimous, because I would never vote to change a rule mid-season."I agree Rule X needs to be changed or edited, but let's wait till the season's over. Games have already been played."

 

[audiophile]

Of course you can change mid season. With unanimous vote you can do whatever you want.Our league uses overall record, with total points tiebreakers to seed playoff teams. Then best plays worst throughout based on those regular season playoff seeding.

Lots of wisdom here. Rule changes are entirely permissable if everyone agrees to them. He has also described the best seeding format, IMHO.

 

[Borat]

changing the rules in the middle of the season is bush league. end of story.

This is exactly right. The only exception is if EVERY owner agrees to the change.

 

[Brewzers]

changing the rules in the middle of the season is bush league. end of story.

This is exactly right. The only exception is if EVERY owner agrees to the change.

It also depends on the age of the league. An established league should have rules set in stone, only to be discussed/ammended at the end of the season. A younger league, might have a rule in place (or lack thereof) that doesn't make sense and is exposed only during a given a situation.

 

[Billy Bats]

If you are using head to head throughout the regular season, your playoff seeds should be based on record. That's the whole point of playing H2H. If you want to seed based on total points, why have a weekly H2H matchup ? Just go to a total point, no division format.Sometimes the team with the best record doesn't have the most points, and teams with the most points don't have the best record...people need to deal with it. That's half the fun (and agony) of the game. A few years ago we had one team go 12-2, and ont team go 2-12...the total season point difference between them ? 25 freakin points, over 14 weeks. Less than 2 pts a week, and a 10 game swing in the record. I'm currently 7-2 in my league, with almost 140 pts between myself and the next highest scoring team. That team is currently 8-1, and basically two games up on me in our division, since he beat me in our first matchup. That's the way it goes...but if he ends up with a better record, he deserves the division title, even if I outscore him by 300 pts on the season. We play H2H to decide our regular season, and that's how the seeds should be handed out.

Amen.

How are your playoffs formatted and where do you put more emphasis...

This is directly from our league constitution.

PLAYOFFS The two division winners receive a bye through the first round of playoffs. The next four playoff positions are awarded to the next four teams with the best records regardless of division. (Method of tie breaking follows later.) For the first round of playoffs, teams are seeded one through four in accordance with records / tie breaker; seed one plays seed four and seed two plays seed three. In the second round of playoffs, the remaining teams will be re-seeded; the team with best record will play the worst remaining wildcard record, while the other two teams will play each other.

 

[webslinger]

I have been a commish of two or more leagues for years. The only one I had big problems with was the one where we changed rules mid season(My fist season). If they can't count on a solid rule book all season long you seem wishy washy. Take a poll to change it for next year yes/no. Then restate no rule changes will ever occur during the season. Make that a rule. If you don't, the b####ing will continue every year, because," You changed one last year. Why not this year?" There's always at least one guy trying to force his opinion on the rest of the league. I have had a few years now with peace. Due to the fact that they know I won't budge on this, ever.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

"Ialso agree that we should change. Especially since we voted on this exact thing at our draft party and said ALL RULES ARE SET IN STONE. And also what makes the worst team in the league? Worst points that make it or worse recocord? Again, exact arguement we had when the last commish retired. And that was, THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE RECORD AND POINTS WORTH THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYOFF SCENARIOS, hence the way it is. This league cannot continue to change rules. This is fantasy football and this league was formed to represent that. By changing the way it is we are putting high emphasis on points, which may not be a bad thing, but realize what we are doing. Don't just say this is the way it should be.

Remember someone always gets hosed regardless. What I am saying and how I set the league up was supposed to be fair to everyone...Including High points versus High record."

I didn't know Ernest Hemingway played FF.

 

[Billy Bats]

I have been a commish of two or more leagues for years. The only one I had big problems with was the one where we changed rules mid season(My fist season). If they can't count on a solid rule book all season long you seem wishy washy. Take a poll to change it for next year yes/no. Then restate no rule changes will ever occur during the season. Make that a rule. If you don't, the b####ing will continue every year, because," You changed one last year. Why not this year?" There's always at least one guy trying to force his opinion on the rest of the league. I have had a few years now with peace. Due to the fact that they know I won't budge on this, ever.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

2 division winners play the 2 Wild Cards, who get in on points scored, not record...Div winner w/best record (#1 seed) plays the WC-2, the Wild Card w/the fewer points scored2nd from 1 division plays the 3rd from the other in the other gamesthe following week, the games are reseeded where the highest remaining seed plays the lowest, and so on

This allows the H2H aspect of a league to matter (division winners), while also making up for the flukiness that H2H sometimes has by rewarding the bad luck teams (wild card).