League Problem (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyCat]

How should this situation be handled?

There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).

Thanks.

 

[Follows Closely]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

You should not have rules that are not enforced by software. Why do you have a dumb rule like that? Once a game is on the books it is over. You can not reverse the game.

 

[CMU37484]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

You should not have rules that are not enforced by software. Why do you have a dumb rule like that? Once a game is on the books it is over. You can not reverse the game.

I agree. Why was he allowed to do it? And if he had lost would anyone care if he picked those players up 45 minutes early? Find a program to run your league that would not allow a transaction to go through during that time.

 

[gianmarco]

Should have been brought up before game was played.

 

[Wrigley]

Stupid ####### rule

 

[Tree Shaker]

Changing scores is a bad precedent. It's just like with the replay system - if the game is done, you can't go back and review the (possible) infraction.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

How should this situation be handled?

There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).

Thanks.

You should not have rules that are not enforced by software. Why do you have a dumb rule like that? Once a game is on the books it is over. You can not reverse the game.

I think it's likely because some members don't have access at work.I agree, you can't reverse the game. Prior to software running the leagues, we used to make it the responsibility of the other owners to police each other, specifically your opponent for the week. The responsibility didn't fall only to the commish. Since everyonne else missed it, you have to let it stand.

Obviously, you need a rule for the future.

 

[David Yudkin]

The only way I think any team would have had a beef was if this was notcied BEFORE the games were played last week (and probably only if they tried to pick up those players right at 7:00 on the night the team picked them up). I do agree that the system should not allow people to do things against the rules.

 

[Wrigley]

Then you need to move from a first served waiver system to a waiver request system

Instead of it being first come first served, the waivers will be handed out on a worst to first basis.

Here is how the rule is written in our constitution.

Waivers:

All owners will be given an opportunity to pick up one player from waivers, before any owner is allowed to pick up more players (i.e. waiver priority). When picking up more than one player off waivers, the owner must rank their players as to which player they would like to be taken first, second, etc. If waiver rankings are not submitted, then the players will be ranked by the time in which they were requested (first player submitted would be 1, second player 2, etc.). The above guidelines will determine waiver priority for each week. The commissioner will inform owners via e-mail if a player they have requested has also been requested by an owner with a higher waiver priority, so they may request more players if desired. This action will only occur through Wednesday afternoon, as any requests made after Wednesday afternoon, will be subject to the waiver priority process. Finally, waiver priority will start following the first week of the NFL season. From the time rosters are entered into CBSSportsline.COM until the start of the NFL season, waivers will be processed by CBSSportsline.COM on a first come-first serve basis.

Waiver Priority Example: (Record)

1-Team 12 (0-5)

2-Team 11 (1-4)

3-Team 10 (2-3)

Team 12 puts in for Terrell Owens, Marshall Faulk, Paul Edinger, and Anthony Thomas. Team 11 puts in for Marshall Faulk and Anthony Thomas, and team 10 puts in for Paul Edinger.

The following would be the result of the waiver process:

1-Terrell Owens (12)

2-Marshall Faulk (11)

3-Paul Edinger (10)

4-Anthony Thomas (12)

Hope this helps

 

[Genester]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

Sounds like I will be a minority opinion here. For the leagues I commish, our rules clearly state that adhering to the rules is the responsibility of each owner, and the fact software or other things may allow them to do things outside the rules doesn't change anything.Yes, it is unfortunate the software was not set up to handle the rules as written. However, this doesnt change the fact the rules are the rules. What would happen if Sportsline or MFL or Yahoo had a glitch for one week that allowed the above behavior to take place? Would you allow the scores to stand because "the games were already played"? What does it matter if someone complained before the games were played? By this logic, its OK if you get run over by a car, because you didn't complain it was driving close to you before hand?Again, this is unfortunate, but the rules are what they are, and you do not change them mid-season, because of software problems.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

Sounds like I will be a minority opinion here. For the leagues I commish, our rules clearly state that adhering to the rules is the responsibility of each owner, and the fact software or other things may allow them to do things outside the rules doesn't change anything.Yes, it is unfortunate the software was not set up to handle the rules as written. However, this doesnt change the fact the rules are the rules. What would happen if Sportsline or MFL or Yahoo had a glitch for one week that allowed the above behavior to take place? Would you allow the scores to stand because "the games were already played"? What does it matter if someone complained before the games were played? By this logic, its OK if you get run over by a car, because you didn't complain it was driving close to you before hand?Again, this is unfortunate, but the rules are what they are, and you do not change them mid-season, because of software problems.

Those same sites have a "scores are final as of X date" to cover situations like this.

 

[David Yudkin]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

Sounds like I will be a minority opinion here. For the leagues I commish, our rules clearly state that adhering to the rules is the responsibility of each owner, and the fact software or other things may allow them to do things outside the rules doesn't change anything.Yes, it is unfortunate the software was not set up to handle the rules as written. However, this doesnt change the fact the rules are the rules. What would happen if Sportsline or MFL or Yahoo had a glitch for one week that allowed the above behavior to take place? Would you allow the scores to stand because "the games were already played"? What does it matter if someone complained before the games were played? By this logic, its OK if you get run over by a car, because you didn't complain it was driving close to you before hand?Again, this is unfortunate, but the rules are what they are, and you do not change them mid-season, because of software problems.

So what would you suggest had the situation been as followsrior to Week 1, Kurt Warner was undrafted and a team picked him up at 6:59 and then started him all season. Week 11, someone notices he was acquired "illegally" (by one minute). Would you force that team to throw him back, make him forfeit every game played to date, or stick him with a 0 at QB each game for using an illegally acquired player?

 

[JohnnyCat]

Thanks for the opinions guys. I really think the commish dropped the ball on this one and now chaos has ensued in our legaue.

ETA: What sites can we use to avoid this problem?

 

[Lash]

what if he WAS CAUGHT by the other(s) and just not reported until AFTER they lost the game in hindsight

couldve just waited to see the outcome before calling it out because they wanted him to get auto-zeroes instead of being able to replace said "illegal" players

 

[J R]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

Sounds like I will be a minority opinion here. For the leagues I commish, our rules clearly state that adhering to the rules is the responsibility of each owner, and the fact software or other things may allow them to do things outside the rules doesn't change anything.Yes, it is unfortunate the software was not set up to handle the rules as written. However, this doesnt change the fact the rules are the rules. What would happen if Sportsline or MFL or Yahoo had a glitch for one week that allowed the above behavior to take place? Would you allow the scores to stand because "the games were already played"? What does it matter if someone complained before the games were played? By this logic, its OK if you get run over by a car, because you didn't complain it was driving close to you before hand?Again, this is unfortunate, but the rules are what they are, and you do not change them mid-season, because of software problems.

I tend to agree with you on this one.Perhaps a compromise could be reached in which the new players' scores are replaced by bench players' scores, maybe who the owner normally plays or his lowest-scoring bench players that he could have played had the rules been followed properly.The analogy with actual NFL games is bogus.

 

[sartre]

Thanks for the opinions guys. I really think the commish dropped the ball on this one and now chaos has enued in our legaue.

I hate when chaos enues.I agree with the other folks that say you can't change the outcome of the game at this point. However, I see no problem with penalizing the owner by forcing those two players back into the waiver pool.

 

[valhallan]

Maybe he forgot to turn his clock back an hour.

 

[GregR_2]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

To boil it down to its essence, I would say the question before you is, did the early waiver move deny another team WHO ACTUALLY TRIED to pick up the players in question? There's got to be a reasonable time period for people to complain if that was the case. And if someone went to pick him up at 7pm and found he was gone already, they should have complained then. Certainly much sooner than days later after games are played. I think as no one complained about it in a timely fashion, I'd say there is no evidence that another owner tried but was denied getting the players, so the answer is no and the same owner would have gotten the players at 7pm if you'd been aware and been there to reverse the transaction when it happened. If an owner was denied getting those players because of the early transaction he should have said something during the waiver periods. Waiting until seeing how the players did and what role they had in the game suggests the problem wasn't owners being denied fair access to those players, but is instead that someone wants to rules lawyer himself to a win. So I'd rule that the transaction and game results stand, and I would clarify the rules going forward and how violations will be handled. If you have a website you can make enforce the rules, then do so. If not, then you need to clarify exactly what happens if someone does this again. How long does someone have to make a complaint the player was taken early, and who does the player go to in that case (i.e. to the first guy to complain, I'd imagine). In your case, I'd say if they haven't sent a leaguewide email by 7am complaining, then the transaction stands.

 

[Carver Lee]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).Thanks.

To boil it down to its essence, I would say the question before you is, did the early waiver move deny another team WHO ACTUALLY TRIED to pick up the players in question? There's got to be a reasonable time period for people to complain if that was the case. And if someone went to pick him up at 7pm and found he was gone already, they should have complained then. Certainly much sooner than days later after games are played. I think as no one complained about it in a timely fashion, I'd say there is no evidence that another owner tried but was denied getting the players, so the answer is no and the same owner would have gotten the players at 7pm if you'd been aware and been there to reverse the transaction when it happened. If an owner was denied getting those players because of the early transaction he should have said something during the waiver periods. Waiting until seeing how the players did and what role they had in the game suggests the problem wasn't owners being denied fair access to those players, but is instead that someone wants to rules lawyer himself to a win. So I'd rule that the transaction and game results stand, and I would clarify the rules going forward and how violations will be handled. If you have a website you can make enforce the rules, then do so. If not, then you need to clarify exactly what happens if someone does this again. How long does someone have to make a complaint the player was taken early, and who does the player go to in that case (i.e. to the first guy to complain, I'd imagine). In your case, I'd say if they haven't sent a leaguewide email by 7am complaining, then the transaction stands.

winner

 

[TommyGilmore]

How should this situation be handled?There is a written rule in our legaue that only allows waiver moves between 7pm and 7am (except Sundays). On a weekday, team A picked up two players around 6:15pm. Nobody noticed, or at least said anything, and the game was played. Now people are asking the commish to not allow the two players that team A picked up to be counted in last weeks score. By doing so, the team's win would become a loss, and move them out of a 3 way tie for first (H2H, no playoffs).

1. when did these people ask the commish to reverse the transaction? If they didn't protest until AFTER the final results, then the results should stand.2. did any other teams want to pick up the 2 players in question? If not, then the guy would have just grabbed them at 7 p.m. anyway.