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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I think the only people who worry are new to FF. There is still A LOT of football to be played. After week 7 its fair to evaluate players, but many call Busts after 1 or 2 games. See sig....I have the all bust team according to most here. Im not worried, although it has been a rough two first weeks....at least I get waiver position 
-OZ-
Footballguy
In all honesty, we should have seen this.Tough D'sRookie RBSlow start last yearLosman, while I think can be good, is inconsistentNo good #2 to deflect attentionOf course, I did start him both weeks in 2 leagues. Might bench him this week for Braylon (against the Raiders)
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I think they make a point to get him the ball this next weekend 
I will die with Evans
I will die with Evans
Couch Potato
Footballguy
My 'to do' list this week includes contacting the Evans owner in every league I'm in and inquiring as to his availability.
Banger
Footballguy
I didn't target Evans in any league. I know you shouldn't discount games, plays, etc. but I couldn't get out of my head that he 20% of his yardage in one game last year.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Ya, but do you think the ball will actuall get to Evans? The Pats are on the schedule next week...I think they make a point to get him the ball this next weekend
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Pretty true here. Everyone knew what they were getting with Evans. Great talent with suspect QB, a bad overall team and THE hardest schedule in the league. The schedule won't let up Evans owners. I'm tired of everyone dogging him but you knew what you're getting into.Ya, but do you think the ball will actuall get to Evans? The Pats are on the schedule next week...I think they make a point to get him the ball this next weekendI will die with Evans
GoBills02
Footballguy
Until Steve Fairchild realizes he was mentored by Mike Martz, they're done. Did he sleep through the meetings in St. Louis? (taken from another frustrated Bills fan)
JP and Lee called him out post game today. We have seen 2 play action passes, one swing pass to Marshawn, zero slant routes, it looks like vanilla pre season play calling. I'll get flamed for this, but JP is not the problem. 1 int in 2 games I can live with. 220 yards passing? He's had only 30 attempts (top of the head guess) And it doesn't help the Offense is on the field for 25% of the game!!!!!
JP and Lee called him out post game today. We have seen 2 play action passes, one swing pass to Marshawn, zero slant routes, it looks like vanilla pre season play calling. I'll get flamed for this, but JP is not the problem. 1 int in 2 games I can live with. 220 yards passing? He's had only 30 attempts (top of the head guess) And it doesn't help the Offense is on the field for 25% of the game!!!!!
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
JP played great at the end of last year. I didn't get to watch the game but I was monitoring stats and I am wondering when they are down 17 - 3 how JP has 6 attempts. Pretty pathetic but that is the Jauron way.
GoBills02
Footballguy
I have no idea how much input Jauron has in the Offensive play calling. Whoever is in charge, Ralph and Marv better take them out behind the stadium tommorrow and give a little "code red" on them!!!!!
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I have to imagine Jauron has some input. He kept the inept Shoop as OC of the Bears and it was the same type of crap as this. Buffalo is young but they have a lot of talent that they are not enabling well.
GoBills02
Footballguy
Another note, this is the same exact thing that happened last year. They brought JP along slowly for the first 5 or 6 games, and then opened up the playbok. Why in the world are they repeating the same game plan this year. They have killed Losman's rhythm and confidence IMO. The O line looks improved, Marshawn is a stud. I'm not asking to force it into Evans, but mix up the ####### PLAY CALLING!!!!!!!!!!
GoBills02
Footballguy
HAHA, I think....not everyone wants out of Buffalo. At least I hope not.
rock753
Footballguy
I worry. I worry because he was a high pick, and I don't like 2 straight weeks going by where he does nothing.Of course, I expect him to get it going, but in the meantime, it makes it much more difficult to win.I think the only people who worry are new to FF. There is still A LOT of football to be played. After week 7 its fair to evaluate players, but many call Busts after 1 or 2 games. See sig....I have the all bust team according to most here. Im not worried, although it has been a rough two first weeks....at least I get waiver position
thecardiackid
Footballguy
I'm officially worried. Not considering any drastic measures or anything, but I agree w/ the posts about the play calling. Lossman isn't playing great, but at least he's not tossing picks all over the place. And no, I wasn't expecting to have him in the top 5 WRs @ this point, but some production would help the cause.Week 1 = Champ Bailey (understood)
this week I figured he'd get at least one decent long pass to make the stat line look respectable - even if he didn't find the endzone. especially considering they were (going to be) down the whole game.
I guess I'm lucky that the league where I have him is TD only, so I'm not missing out on PPR/yds. with his lack of performance thus far. Though, as my WR2 I will start considering playing Coles instead until the BUF offense improves. Didn't know the OC in BUF worked for Martz - and wouldn't have (guessed it
) if not for the pool.He'll be alright, but those of us hoping for top 10 #s will have to sweat it out for a while.
schooner44
Footballguy
While most people don't recognize it, the combo of J Reed/Parrish is a decent #2. J Reed was inactive today so it put additional pressure on Evans.One of 2 things will happen...1) Losman and the rest of the offense will turn it around or 2) Trent Edwards may get a shot at QB (unsure how this will effect Evans but it can't be any worse)
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I would prefer that to his triple pump, take a sack.I'm officially worried. Not considering any drastic measures or anything, but I agree w/ the posts about the play calling. Lossman isn't playing great, but at least he's not tossing picks all over the place. And no, I wasn't expecting to have him in the top 5 WRs @ this point, but some production would help the cause.Week 1 = Champ Bailey (understood)
this week I figured he'd get at least one decent long pass to make the stat line look respectable - even if he didn't find the endzone. especially considering they were (going to be) down the whole game.
I guess I'm lucky that the league where I have him is TD only, so I'm not missing out on PPR/yds. with his lack of performance thus far. Though, as my WR2 I will start considering playing Coles instead until the BUF offense improves. Didn't know the OC in BUF worked for Martz - and wouldn't have (guessed it
He'll be alright, but those of us hoping for top 10 #s will have to sweat it out for a while.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Option 2 is not a realistic possibility... the Bills will give Losman the rest of the season (or at least the next 10 games) to determine whether they are giving him a contract extension this off-season. Like it or not, it's Losman or bust for 2007.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
I hope not. Next week is when I plan to make my move for him. I'm thinking about offering Cotchery for Evans straight up. Otherwise I have Ma. Clayton, E. Johnson, and Miller to mix and match for him.I think they make a point to get him the ball this next weekendI will die with Evans
schooner44
Footballguy
Not necessarily. Losman is NOT a "Levy guy". Levy was ecstatic about getting Edwards in the 3rd round. Levy likes what he is used to and Edwards is a lot more like Jim Kelly than Losman. Thad said, I don't think its a likely possibility but it is a possibility.
Big Dumb Ape
Footballguy
Chill people. It's week 2.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I haven't seen the target numbers, but I was amazed how little they seemed to look his way. Moreover, just some boneheaded play calling, doing one yard to quick outs to Roscoe Parrish, which weren't netting much of anything. Peerless Price was getting looks over him for christsakes. I wonder what the impact of his head case personal foul penalties on consecutive plays. Don't know much what to draw, but they were trailing the entire game, which should have boded at last some garbage time yardage, but never came to be. I'm concerned, but what can you do?
Jeff Haseley
Moderator
In your work/fun leagues, someone might drop him now. 
Penguin
Footballguy
Evans has 4 catches for 22 yards after two games. He's only been targeted 10 times in two games, S.Smith, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Houshmanzadeh & Randy Moss have all been targeted close to 30 times this season. There is something definitely wrong in Buffalo
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Let me save you an email in MOX I...
SSOG
Moderator
Just for the record, I think the "slow starter" myth is just dumb luck rather than a meaningful trend. Three seasons ago, Evans was a rookie. Two seasons ago, Evans was a sophomore playing with dreck at QB. Last season was Evans' first legitimate stud season, so when you say "Evans always starts slow", what you are really saying is "Evans has started slow once, and I'm going to try to gain predictive value from this, despite the fact that sometimes splits happen".
I also don't believe in Eric Moulds' (or Chris Chambers') "Odd Year Theory" or the Madden Curse, any more than I believe that Steve Smith owns teams whose names end with a vowel. Like Drinen says, sometimes splits just happen. Unless someone can provide a legitimate cause-effect relationship to sink my teeth into, it's nothing more than voodoo and superstition to me. If Evans always got hurt in TCs and then started slow, that'd be one thing. If Evans always held out and then started slow, that'd be one thing. If Evans was reported to not get himself into good shape in the offseason and then started slow, that'd be one thing. As it stands, I have no reason to believe that "Evans starts slow" is a meaningful phenomenon instead of just a fluke split that will crop up from time to time in such small datasets.
On the topic of Evans himself, though... I'm not selling, or even that concerned. I don't think he'll be a top-10 WR this year, simply because all the other WRs in the league have a 2-game head start, but I think he has a great chance of being a top-10 WR from here on out (or, at the worst, a WR12-20). He'll be facing tough defenses, but he's the only real stud on that offense and he's going to be heavily featured, and all he needs is one play to justify his start every week.
I also don't believe in Eric Moulds' (or Chris Chambers') "Odd Year Theory" or the Madden Curse, any more than I believe that Steve Smith owns teams whose names end with a vowel. Like Drinen says, sometimes splits just happen. Unless someone can provide a legitimate cause-effect relationship to sink my teeth into, it's nothing more than voodoo and superstition to me. If Evans always got hurt in TCs and then started slow, that'd be one thing. If Evans always held out and then started slow, that'd be one thing. If Evans was reported to not get himself into good shape in the offseason and then started slow, that'd be one thing. As it stands, I have no reason to believe that "Evans starts slow" is a meaningful phenomenon instead of just a fluke split that will crop up from time to time in such small datasets.
On the topic of Evans himself, though... I'm not selling, or even that concerned. I don't think he'll be a top-10 WR this year, simply because all the other WRs in the league have a 2-game head start, but I think he has a great chance of being a top-10 WR from here on out (or, at the worst, a WR12-20). He'll be facing tough defenses, but he's the only real stud on that offense and he's going to be heavily featured, and all he needs is one play to justify his start every week.
gkza
Footballguy
when will that be? The Bills look terribly coached from what I have seen. They got owned for the past 2 weeks. Typical Bills.
I'm benching him vs. the Pats. I'm not giving up hope and will start him vs. some easier matchups but right now Losman is not in rythm and now going up against the Pats, it's just not getting easier.
There's certainly a possibility he could catch a 77 yard TD pass, he's got the speed but quite frankly I'm lucky as hell to be 2-0 in the league I've started him twice and I'm sitting his butt down.
I've got Crotchery and Curry as my WR3 and 4 in that league. I don't really like Crotchery's matchup next week either so I am goign to start Curry against Cleveland over him.
After what I saw in Cleveland last weekend, how could I start Lee Evans who's gotten me 1 point in two weeks over a NO.1 WR on a team that's going up against a defense that gave up 6 passing TD's the weekend before.
There's certainly a possibility he could catch a 77 yard TD pass, he's got the speed but quite frankly I'm lucky as hell to be 2-0 in the league I've started him twice and I'm sitting his butt down.
I've got Crotchery and Curry as my WR3 and 4 in that league. I don't really like Crotchery's matchup next week either so I am goign to start Curry against Cleveland over him.
After what I saw in Cleveland last weekend, how could I start Lee Evans who's gotten me 1 point in two weeks over a NO.1 WR on a team that's going up against a defense that gave up 6 passing TD's the weekend before.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
So do you keep him on your bench or just hope he doesn't sink you to 0-2 or 0-3 to start the year?
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Is he getting targets?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm not worried yet, but he's definitely now on my bench for a week or two until the Bills show some signs of life. I don't care if you're Jerry Rice, if your QB isn't throwing your way [or throwing at all for that matter], you can't help my fantasy team as a WR1/WR2.
taco breath
Footballguy
why is your team in your sig?I think they make a point to get him the ball this next weekendI will die with Evans
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Uggghhhhh he is killing me as well. He was getting some targets late in the game but was called for 2 personal fouls for getting into a verbal with a ref. Hard to stack him vs. guys like Chad, SS and Housh. Took a beating bad beating.....
John Mamula
Moderator
i didnt think twice to start him this week in the one league i have him in. however after this week he gets benched until i see something that gives me encouragement.I agree that random chance is the most likely explanation for Evans's consistent 3-year 1st half/2nd half discrepancy (actually more like a 7 game/9 game discrepancy). But that said, there are reasons to think that certain types of player are more likely to excel in one half or the other, and Evans is definitely one who should do well later, for the reason that he always catches so few passes early in the year that he's relatively fresh come mid-season. It's easier to run past corners when they've made 30 tackles over the course of the year.
sweetness34
Footballguy
I have Evans, and yes, I'm a little frustrated right now. However, I have some hope based on his schedule. Yes, his early season schedule is likely the toughest in the league, but after week 3 (NE), the only scary defenses he faces the rest of the year are BALT week 7 and NE in week 11. Other than that, I think his schedule is very nice. (Hopefully,) this is his floor - no where to go but up...
You'll notice that in a lot of sigs. It helps when you are discussing trades, WSISs, etc. you don't have to explain your situation because it's in your sig.why is your team in your sig?I think they make a point to get him the ball this next weekend
SSOG
Moderator
You expend just as much energy running a route and not getting the ball as you do running a route and making the catch. I don't buy the "Evans hasn't caught many passes so he must be fresh!" argument. That holds water with RBs, but not WRs. JMHO.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Slow start or not, most fantasy football regular seasons last 14 weeks, so in essence, Evans has already been completely worthless for 14.3% of the season. I am kicking myself big time for taking him over T.J. Housh in the 3rd round.
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Not Allowed In Mexico
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Not Allowed In Mexico
Slow start or not, most fantasy football regular seasons last 14 weeks, so in essence, Evans has already been completely worthless for 14.3% of the season. I am kicking myself big time for taking him over T.J. Housh in the 3rd round.
whoa.. and if it's PPR, I'm really sorry.
PantherPower
Footballguy
well I'm not going to trade him in my leagues, but I'm also not going to start him again until I see at least 1 good game from him...
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Craig Nall I believe
It's not the catches or the route-running, it's the hits. Evans ran track in college--he can run go patterns all day. If he catches four balls per game, and runs out of bounds on two of them, he's going to get worn down less than other receivers who take more contact. I agree this is less important than for backs, but I won't rule out that it could make a difference.
