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White Shows Up Light

By Jonathan Hutton July 30, 2006

Rookie running back LenDale White reported to Titans training camp on Sunday morning and took no time getting reps with the running back unit.

White arrived in Clarksville late Saturday night where he signed his contract and met with coaches. White then swapped reps with the running backs all throughout the Sunday morning practice. White said he knew he would be tested as soon as practice began on Sunday.

“This is football,” White said. “I’ve been working all summer to come out here and play football, so Coach Fisher just told me to get ready and I came out and he threw me in the fire.”

White, who lost almost 25 pounds since being drafted by the Titans, said he reported to camp around the 227lb. mark.

“I haven’t weighed this low since I was 17 years old,” White said. “I actually weighed less than what I was supposed to weigh in at. I feel real good about that. It’s going to take a while to get adjusted to the heat, but for the most part I’m happy to be here and happy to start camp.”

White missed the first two days of camp because of holdups with his contract, but White said the missed practices shouldn’t effect his play in practice.

“I was working out,” White said. “I think the team understands that there is a lot more stuff behind the scenes that [people] don’t see. I’m here now and that’s all that really matters.”

“It was just dotting the I’s and crossing the T’s. That’s mainly the reason it took so long. I finally got it done and I’m happy to be here.”

Titans Head Coach Jeff Fisher said he isn't worried about White being behind from a playbook standpoint.

“He knows the offense,” Fisher said. “...his weight's down, he feels good, and he’s in shape so he wont have any difficulty with the offense form a learning standpoint. It’s a physical thing."

Titans players and fans welcomed White on the field during the AM practice session and several times the rookie talked with running back Chris Brown and quarterbacks Billy Volek and Vince Young.

“Everybody is just happy to see me and I’m happy to see everybody,” White said. “This is my team and I’m happy to be here.”

White will be tested once again when the Titans go in full pads for a heated practice during Sunday’s afternoon practice.

“We’ll see how my legs hold up, but I’m going to do everything I can compete,” White said.

“I’m here to win the job.”
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Will this put an end to the "fat tub of goo" references?

Methinks not.

 
:jumps on bandwagon:

OK not really bandwagon so much, but him and Gore are 2 guys I'd love to have as RB3/4 types.

 
227 is good for him... but why the delay in reporting? He's been signed for a few days now eh?
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I think it must have been a handwritten contract, Grid...
“It was just dotting the I’s and crossing the T’s. That’s mainly the reason it took so long. I finally got it done and I’m happy to be here.”
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J
 
Will this put an end to the "fat tub of goo" references?

Methinks not.
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Really?I'd say those days are long gone as long as he stays around 227.

J
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The LenDale haters won't go away until he rushes for 1,500 yards.
 
Will this put an end to the "fat tub of goo" references?

Methinks not.
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Really?I'd say those days are long gone as long as he stays around 227.

J
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The LenDale haters won't go away until he rushes for 1,500 yards.
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So there are White lovers and White haters? No middle ground?He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.

 
Bust of this draft class. (Yes, I understand he was drafted relatively low, but expectations are, and always have been, very high).

 
He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.

 
All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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Pretty sure he's got enough of a chip on his shoulder to keep from regressing. Could be wrong.
 
what cracks me up is after the Rose Bowl people were all over his giblets.

they were saying he could/would be a better NFL runningback than Bush.

he shows up w/ man boobs and all that gets washed down the toilet...

i'm a little more than biased,as a Lendale owner and Titans fan but this looks

like a marriage made in heaven.. bring on the good ole days of Titans power

rushing !!

 
what cracks me up is after the Rose Bowl people were all over his giblets.

they were saying he could/would be a better NFL runningback than Bush.

he shows up w/ man boobs and all that gets washed down the toilet...

i'm a little more than biased,as a Lendale owner and Titans fan but this looks

like a marriage made in heaven.. bring on the good ole days of Titans power

rushing !!
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Plus wasn't he like 250 for the Rose Bowl?
 
I'm targeting White in my auction keeper league (where rookie RB salaries will go off the charts high because of supply and demand). I live in Indy, so Addai will go for too much - and I think I can get White for less $$ than the other top RB rookies, and get more for the buck this year.

(Of course, there is someone in my league who's also a FBG, so this could be disinformation :P ).

 
He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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just because others may have different views doesn't make them blind... the bottom line is that on both sides of the question (how does white project to the NFL), there are posters that are able to cite compelling reasons to like him or not like him... it is a little more complex than there is just the "right" way to look at it, & the way the poor, unfortunate blind posters view it...certainly many of the people who project white to do well aren't blind to his shortcomings... there may be disagreements about what constitutes a shortcoming (if he couldn't work out due to hamstring problem, is he really "lazy"... if he was really lazy, would he report to camp at 227?)... but many are probably acquainted with rumors that he wasn't a hard worker at USC... & we can infer that from fact that he only had like 15-17 reps at combine or workout (?)...

just like, conversely, it would be wrong to assume you are blind to his qualities, records he broke, highlights we can see with our own eyes if we take the time... a way to explain your different view from an opposing, conflicting & seemingly contradictory side is that you have familiarized yourself with his pros & cons, & in the final analysis determined the negative outweighs the positive...

the process is no different in many cases with those who came to a different conclusion... they were working with much the same information ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, & unsurprisingly came to another view as they probably weighed the respective sides to the argument differently...

it is POSSIBLE he got a bum rap & there is some confusion on this, room for ambiguity about whether he is lazy... i seriously doubt if he could have done zero work throughout his whole college career, never ran, never undergone any strenuous physical conditioning, & do what he did (break multiple school & conference records)... is anybody THAT good that they could be truly lazy & do what he did? i am sceptical. maybe there was SOME degree of work involved.

and even whatever the white detractors think about that, there is still the matter that he did dominate in college... this is the point where i have heard it is against pac 10... but onus is on them to explain why offense dominated oklahoma & texas defenses in bowl games... to which usual rejoinder is... it was just couple games... this just pushes onus back further... on what basis are we to believe that it would have been any different if white played them 10 or 100 times?

but i digressed... white, lazy or not by some definitions involving a larger constellation of personality & character traits, was lazy enough to physically dominate at his level of competition... to say that some who have been lazy before fail may be one layer or level of thought by which to attack the problem of how he will project to the NFL.

but it isn't at all clear that it is the only way to break it down, let alone the best way (instead of looking at his body of work, production, records, film, scouting profiles, etc)... & given that, it seems off base to label some of those that view it any other way than you in the end as "blind"...

remember, sometimes what we read is the tip of the iceberg... a post doesn't represent sum total of a poster's knowledge... for myself, it would be tedious to state in every single case where i talk about white that, yes, i am familiar with some of his cited shortcomings but have nonetheless come to the conclusion that, OVERALL, i find the positives outweigh the negatives...

so just because someone doesn't qualify every post in this manner, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't arrived at their judgement or determination about a player through means any less well informed, rational, balanced, comprehensive, self-criticized & vetted or with less perspective than your own.

* not trying to put too fine a point on this, but i think it does a disservice to the complexity & real amibiguity of this situation to make it seem more cut & dry than it actually is... maybe you didn't intend to come off that way or even think you did... but when we have respect & tolerance for the uncertainty of a situation, then i don't think it is necessary to use words like blind to describe the thought process of those with an alternate take...

 
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He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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Sorry CA 7 but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. And this is one of those times. That was one of the dumbest replies I've ever heard in my life! Totally illogical, absolutely presumptuous. You make is sound like the kid was waving a gun out a window of his car with a hooker strapped to the hood. He had a bad hammy that excluded him from Combine and other workout showings. So what? He just busted his ### to lose 20+ pounds and you're still talking about his act? Sorry man but that's just stupid.
 
All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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Pretty sure he's got enough of a chip on his shoulder to keep from regressing. Could be wrong.
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What happens though when he becomes the starter and has a good season? Does he have the work ethic to continue working hard year round season after season? That's my biggest concern since he has the natural talent to be a very good back if he stays in shape.
 
He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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just because others may have different views doesn't make them blind... the bottom line is that on both sides of the question (how does white project to the NFL), there are posters that are able to cite compelling reasons to like him or not like him... it is a little more complex than there is just the "right" way to look at it, & the way the poor, unfortunate blind posters view it...certainly many of the people who project white to do well aren't blind to his shortcomings... there may be disagreements about what constitutes a shortcoming (if he couldn't work out due to hamstring problem, is he really "lazy"... if he was really lazy, would he report to camp at 227?)... but many are probably acquainted with rumors that he wasn't a hard worker at USC... & we can infer that from fact that he only had like 15-17 reps at combine or workout (?)...

just like, conversely, it would be wrong to assume you are blind to his qualities, records he broke, highlights we can see with our own eyes if we take the time... a way to explain your different view from an opposing, conflicting & seemingly contradictory side is that you have familiarized yourself with his pros & cons, & in the final analysis determined the negative outweighs the positive...

the process is no different in many cases with those who came to a different conclusion... they were working with much the same information ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, & unsurprisingly came to another view as they probably weighed the respective sides to the argument differently...

it is POSSIBLE he got a bum rap & there is some confusion on this, room for ambiguity about whether he is lazy... i seriously doubt if he could have done zero work throughout his whole college career, never ran, never undergone any strenuous physical conditioning, & do what he did (break multiple school & conference records)... is anybody THAT good that they could be truly lazy & do what he did? i am sceptical. maybe there was SOME degree of work involved.

and even whatever the white detractors think about that, there is still the matter that he did dominate in college... this is the point where i have heard it is against pac 10... but onus is on them to explain why offense dominated oklahoma & texas defenses in bowl games... to which usual rejoinder is... it was just couple games... this just pushes onus back further... on what basis are we to believe that it would have been any different if white played them 10 or 100 times?

but i digressed... white, lazy or not by some definitions involving a larger constellation of personality & character traits, was lazy enough to physically dominate at his level of competition... to say that some who have been lazy before fail may be one layer or level of thought by which to attack the problem of how he will project to the NFL.

but it isn't at all clear that it is the only way to break it down, let alone the best way (instead of looking at his body of work, production, records, film, scouting profiles, etc)... & given that, it seems off base to label some of those that view it any other way than you in the end as "blind"...

remember, sometimes what we read is the tip of the iceberg... a post doesn't represent sum total of a poster's knowledge... for myself, it would be tedious to state in every single case where i talk about white that, yes, i am familiar with some of his cited shortcomings but have nonetheless come to the conclusion that, OVERALL, i find the positives outweigh the negatives...

so just because someone doesn't qualify every post in this manner, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't arrived at their judgement or determination about a player through means any less well informed, rational, balanced, comprehensive, self-criticized & vetted or with less perspective than your own.

* not trying to put too fine a point on this, but i think it does a disservice to the complexity & real amibiguity of this situation to make it seem more cut & dry than it actually is... maybe you didn't intend to come off that way or even think you did... but when we have respect & tolerance for the uncertainty of a situation, then i don't think it is necessary to use words like blind to describe the thought process of those with an alternate take...
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Bob, that reply was almost as smooth as Miles himself (with the basic thought in mind that no one in this world can become as smooth as Miles and everyone else is fighting for a matter of degree to get them close to the smoothness that is Miles Davis). I'll just throw this out there on top of your thoughts to sum it up. If there is a running back in the NFL that can totally dominate in college while still being a lazy, out of shape, "charater issue" then I want him on my team. Imagine what he could do with a little professional coaching and conditioning. :thumbup: Ya'll get the point now?
 
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He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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just because others may have different views doesn't make them blind... the bottom line is that on both sides of the question (how does white project to the NFL), there are posters that are able to cite compelling reasons to like him or not like him... it is a little more complex than there is just the "right" way to look at it, & the way the poor, unfortunate blind posters view it...certainly many of the people who project white to do well aren't blind to his shortcomings... there may be disagreements about what constitutes a shortcoming (if he couldn't work out due to hamstring problem, is he really "lazy"... if he was really lazy, would he report to camp at 227?)... but many are probably acquainted with rumors that he wasn't a hard worker at USC... & we can infer that from fact that he only had like 15-17 reps at combine or workout (?)...

just like, conversely, it would be wrong to assume you are blind to his qualities, records he broke, highlights we can see with our own eyes if we take the time... a way to explain your different view from an opposing, conflicting & seemingly contradictory side is that you have familiarized yourself with his pros & cons, & in the final analysis determined the negative outweighs the positive...

the process is no different in many cases with those who came to a different conclusion... they were working with much the same information ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, & unsurprisingly came to another view as they probably weighed the respective sides to the argument differently...

it is POSSIBLE he got a bum rap & there is some confusion on this, room for ambiguity about whether he is lazy... i seriously doubt if he could have done zero work throughout his whole college career, never ran, never undergone any strenuous physical conditioning, & do what he did (break multiple school & conference records)... is anybody THAT good that they could be truly lazy & do what he did? i am sceptical. maybe there was SOME degree of work involved.

and even whatever the white detractors think about that, there is still the matter that he did dominate in college... this is the point where i have heard it is against pac 10... but onus is on them to explain why offense dominated oklahoma & texas defenses in bowl games... to which usual rejoinder is... it was just couple games... this just pushes onus back further... on what basis are we to believe that it would have been any different if white played them 10 or 100 times?

but i digressed... white, lazy or not by some definitions involving a larger constellation of personality & character traits, was lazy enough to physically dominate at his level of competition... to say that some who have been lazy before fail may be one layer or level of thought by which to attack the problem of how he will project to the NFL.

but it isn't at all clear that it is the only way to break it down, let alone the best way (instead of looking at his body of work, production, records, film, scouting profiles, etc)... & given that, it seems off base to label some of those that view it any other way than you in the end as "blind"...

remember, sometimes what we read is the tip of the iceberg... a post doesn't represent sum total of a poster's knowledge... for myself, it would be tedious to state in every single case where i talk about white that, yes, i am familiar with some of his cited shortcomings but have nonetheless come to the conclusion that, OVERALL, i find the positives outweigh the negatives...

so just because someone doesn't qualify every post in this manner, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't arrived at their judgement or determination about a player through means any less well informed, rational, balanced, comprehensive, self-criticized & vetted or with less perspective than your own.

* not trying to put too fine a point on this, but i think it does a disservice to the complexity & real amibiguity of this situation to make it seem more cut & dry than it actually is... maybe you didn't intend to come off that way or even think you did... but when we have respect & tolerance for the uncertainty of a situation, then i don't think it is necessary to use words like blind to describe the thought process of those with an alternate take...
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Bob, that reply was almost as smooth as Miles himself (with the basic thought in mind that no one in this world can become as smooth as Miles and everyone else is fighting for a matter of degree to get them close to the smoothness that is Miles Davis). I'll just throw this out there on top of your thoughts to sum it up. If there is a running back in the NFL that can totally dominate in college while still being a lazy, out of shape, "charater issue" then I want him on my team. Imagine what he could do with a little professional coaching and conditioning. :thumbup: Ya'll get the point now?
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While I think LenDale will do well in Tennessee, I think that there have been many running backs who have "dominated" college but who have failed in the NFL. Talent may get you by in high school, and even in college, but talent alone rarely allows you to dominate in the NFL.

 
it might be instructive & good exercize to look at some of those backs & ask why they failed... than to see if white has anything in common with them...

i'll start... ron dayne was also very successful in college & fell flat on his face in NFL... not sure if it had anything to do with work ethic... he did seem very lumbering & ponderous & appeared to be case where his lack of quickness wasn't as obvious at wisconsin, but became more evident as a pro...

one big difference with dayne & white is that white has much quicker feet & is more explosive & sudden in the hole... its also possible he has superior vision, patience & run instincts...

 
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He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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just because others may have different views doesn't make them blind... the bottom line is that on both sides of the question (how does white project to the NFL), there are posters that are able to cite compelling reasons to like him or not like him... it is a little more complex than there is just the "right" way to look at it, & the way the poor, unfortunate blind posters view it...certainly many of the people who project white to do well aren't blind to his shortcomings... there may be disagreements about what constitutes a shortcoming (if he couldn't work out due to hamstring problem, is he really "lazy"... if he was really lazy, would he report to camp at 227?)... but many are probably acquainted with rumors that he wasn't a hard worker at USC... & we can infer that from fact that he only had like 15-17 reps at combine or workout (?)...

just like, conversely, it would be wrong to assume you are blind to his qualities, records he broke, highlights we can see with our own eyes if we take the time... a way to explain your different view from an opposing, conflicting & seemingly contradictory side is that you have familiarized yourself with his pros & cons, & in the final analysis determined the negative outweighs the positive...

the process is no different in many cases with those who came to a different conclusion... they were working with much the same information ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, & unsurprisingly came to another view as they probably weighed the respective sides to the argument differently...

it is POSSIBLE he got a bum rap & there is some confusion on this, room for ambiguity about whether he is lazy... i seriously doubt if he could have done zero work throughout his whole college career, never ran, never undergone any strenuous physical conditioning, & do what he did (break multiple school & conference records)... is anybody THAT good that they could be truly lazy & do what he did? i am sceptical. maybe there was SOME degree of work involved.

and even whatever the white detractors think about that, there is still the matter that he did dominate in college... this is the point where i have heard it is against pac 10... but onus is on them to explain why offense dominated oklahoma & texas defenses in bowl games... to which usual rejoinder is... it was just couple games... this just pushes onus back further... on what basis are we to believe that it would have been any different if white played them 10 or 100 times?

but i digressed... white, lazy or not by some definitions involving a larger constellation of personality & character traits, was lazy enough to physically dominate at his level of competition... to say that some who have been lazy before fail may be one layer or level of thought by which to attack the problem of how he will project to the NFL.

but it isn't at all clear that it is the only way to break it down, let alone the best way (instead of looking at his body of work, production, records, film, scouting profiles, etc)... & given that, it seems off base to label some of those that view it any other way than you in the end as "blind"...

remember, sometimes what we read is the tip of the iceberg... a post doesn't represent sum total of a poster's knowledge... for myself, it would be tedious to state in every single case where i talk about white that, yes, i am familiar with some of his cited shortcomings but have nonetheless come to the conclusion that, OVERALL, i find the positives outweigh the negatives...

so just because someone doesn't qualify every post in this manner, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't arrived at their judgement or determination about a player through means any less well informed, rational, balanced, comprehensive, self-criticized & vetted or with less perspective than your own.

* not trying to put too fine a point on this, but i think it does a disservice to the complexity & real amibiguity of this situation to make it seem more cut & dry than it actually is... maybe you didn't intend to come off that way or even think you did... but when we have respect & tolerance for the uncertainty of a situation, then i don't think it is necessary to use words like blind to describe the thought process of those with an alternate take...
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Bob, that reply was almost as smooth as Miles himself (with the basic thought in mind that no one in this world can become as smooth as Miles and everyone else is fighting for a matter of degree to get them close to the smoothness that is Miles Davis). I'll just throw this out there on top of your thoughts to sum it up. If there is a running back in the NFL that can totally dominate in college while still being a lazy, out of shape, "charater issue" then I want him on my team. Imagine what he could do with a little professional coaching and conditioning. :thumbup: Ya'll get the point now?
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While I think LenDale will do well in Tennessee, I think that there have been many running backs who have "dominated" college but who have failed in the NFL. Talent may get you by in high school, and even in college, but talent alone rarely allows you to dominate in the NFL.
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Well let's start the list shall we?Here's a list of the Doak Walker Award winners going back to 1990.

1990 Greg Lewis Washington

1991 Trevor Cobb Rice

1992 Garrison Hearst Georgia

1993 Byron "Bam" Morris Texas Tech

1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado

1995 Eddie George Ohio State

1996 Byron Hanspard Texas Tech

1997 Ricky Williams Texas

1998 Ricky Williams Texas

1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin

2000 LaDainian Tomlinson TCU

2001 Luke Staley BYU

2002 Larry Johnson Penn State

2003 Chris Perry Michigan

2004 Cedric Benson Texas

 
thanx, ME...

i was also going to suggest not just restricting search to trying to find players with similar accolades that BUSTED, but also that suceeded...

in trying to find comp players with similar physical traits, we have to look at big backs because i think we can all agree he is a big back...

fred taylor & deuce mcalister in their prime are not IMO good examples as they were much faster & more lethal size/speed combos in their own way... younger RBs that are also extremely fast & fall outside scope of this comparison would be ronnie brown for sure, & maybe steven jackson...

cedric benson might be an interesting comp, but i haven't studied him as much... corey dillon is a possible, but i think in his prime he was pretty fast, too...

the best comp i can think of is eddie george... except white is quicker footed & on film looks to me more explosive & capable of breaking off a long run than george...

 
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While I think LenDale will do well in Tennessee, I think that there have been many running backs who have "dominated" college but who have failed in the NFL.

Talent may get you by in high school, and even in college, but talent alone rarely allows you to dominate in the NFL.
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Talent may not get you to the top by itself, but neither will attitude. There's a place for kids with great attitudes... it's called the JV squad. Let's let White prove his mettle over the next couple months. If he's talent alone, you're right, he'll flop. But if he can move into the mental mold of a top notch RB, I think the sky is the limit. White is absolutely the biggest "wait and see" in the NFL, IMO, just ahead of Dayne, Bell, and Chester Taylor.

 
He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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just because others may have different views doesn't make them blind... the bottom line is that on both sides of the question (how does white project to the NFL), there are posters that are able to cite compelling reasons to like him or not like him... it is a little more complex than there is just the "right" way to look at it, & the way the poor, unfortunate blind posters view it...certainly many of the people who project white to do well aren't blind to his shortcomings... there may be disagreements about what constitutes a shortcoming (if he couldn't work out due to hamstring problem, is he really "lazy"... if he was really lazy, would he report to camp at 227?)... but many are probably acquainted with rumors that he wasn't a hard worker at USC... & we can infer that from fact that he only had like 15-17 reps at combine or workout (?)...

just like, conversely, it would be wrong to assume you are blind to his qualities, records he broke, highlights we can see with our own eyes if we take the time... a way to explain your different view from an opposing, conflicting & seemingly contradictory side is that you have familiarized yourself with his pros & cons, & in the final analysis determined the negative outweighs the positive...

the process is no different in many cases with those who came to a different conclusion... they were working with much the same information ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, & unsurprisingly came to another view as they probably weighed the respective sides to the argument differently...

it is POSSIBLE he got a bum rap & there is some confusion on this, room for ambiguity about whether he is lazy... i seriously doubt if he could have done zero work throughout his whole college career, never ran, never undergone any strenuous physical conditioning, & do what he did (break multiple school & conference records)... is anybody THAT good that they could be truly lazy & do what he did? i am sceptical. maybe there was SOME degree of work involved.

and even whatever the white detractors think about that, there is still the matter that he did dominate in college... this is the point where i have heard it is against pac 10... but onus is on them to explain why offense dominated oklahoma & texas defenses in bowl games... to which usual rejoinder is... it was just couple games... this just pushes onus back further... on what basis are we to believe that it would have been any different if white played them 10 or 100 times?

but i digressed... white, lazy or not by some definitions involving a larger constellation of personality & character traits, was lazy enough to physically dominate at his level of competition... to say that some who have been lazy before fail may be one layer or level of thought by which to attack the problem of how he will project to the NFL.

but it isn't at all clear that it is the only way to break it down, let alone the best way (instead of looking at his body of work, production, records, film, scouting profiles, etc)... & given that, it seems off base to label some of those that view it any other way than you in the end as "blind"...

remember, sometimes what we read is the tip of the iceberg... a post doesn't represent sum total of a poster's knowledge... for myself, it would be tedious to state in every single case where i talk about white that, yes, i am familiar with some of his cited shortcomings but have nonetheless come to the conclusion that, OVERALL, i find the positives outweigh the negatives...

so just because someone doesn't qualify every post in this manner, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't arrived at their judgement or determination about a player through means any less well informed, rational, balanced, comprehensive, self-criticized & vetted or with less perspective than your own.

* not trying to put too fine a point on this, but i think it does a disservice to the complexity & real amibiguity of this situation to make it seem more cut & dry than it actually is... maybe you didn't intend to come off that way or even think you did... but when we have respect & tolerance for the uncertainty of a situation, then i don't think it is necessary to use words like blind to describe the thought process of those with an alternate take...
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Bob, you have made some very good points, however, isn't this message board about sharing opinions?? If I feel like someone is lacking in their evaluation I have every right to do so. I can only address the information which I have the capacity to digest and evaluate. And yes, based on the (probably limited number of) posts I have seen from many (not all) charter members of the White fan club I rarely see them acknowledge White's character issues. I really don't have the time to find links supporting this because the issue of LenDale's pro career is already been exhausted

I have not personally attacked anyone or blasted their view yet reading your post it sure makes me feel like I should be waiting for Joe to cut off my login.

Other posters like "mightyeskimo" makes a reply to my post: "That was one of the dumbest replies I've ever heard in my life!" and "Sorry man but that's just stupid."

As a staff member I would think you would have put a little time and energy into addressing that instead of me. You talk about respecting other people's opinion yet your actions tell me otherwise.

 
He was sitting around gaining weight and wouldn't work out. People didn't want to build a team around people who were lazy. They are paying millions. Who can blame them. If he does well good for him.
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What amazes me is how many posters here are blind to the fact that (most of) the NFL is about evaluating the total package theses days; attitude, work ethic, etc. Yes, you have to have the skills and talent to get you there but teams are shying away from problems players (unless they become great value).All the Lendale-lovers want to do is quote his highlights from USC....A player falls from the top 10 to the 2nd round for a reason

I am still open to the idea of White keeping his act together and he has the potential to do great if he keeps it up. But in most cases, people with a tendacy to be lazy fall back into their comfort zone again at some point.
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Sorry CA 7 but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. And this is one of those times. That was one of the dumbest replies I've ever heard in my life! Totally illogical, absolutely presumptuous. You make is sound like the kid was waving a gun out a window of his car with a hooker strapped to the hood. He had a bad hammy that excluded him from Combine and other workout showings. So what? He just busted his ### to lose 20+ pounds and you're still talking about his act? Sorry man but that's just stupid.
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Thanks. Your intelligent reply is only helping to support my point. :thumbup:
 
Chad Greenway showed up at the combine with a pair of shoes he had never worn before and proceeded to run one of his personal worst 40 times at the combine.

I don't hear people jumping on Chad Greenway's back for being stupid.

White's combine fiasco (which is what it was) cannot be overlooked, but I don't think we should make a complete character generalization on it either.

He made a mistake, lets see how he learns from it.

 
CA 7,

its possible that in the end we don't have to meet in the middle... likely you will think what you think & i will think what i think (i wouldn't expect a change unless there is some radically different point brought up for us to consider that might cause us to revise our views)...

i agree with your point that name calling is unnecessary & counter-productive... that was sort of the purpose of my above post... the reason i took issue with language like blind or blinded is that it is polarizing & divisive...

again, even if you or i continue to see things much the same way, the board & even the thread are bigger than us... if we stick to citing the facts as we understand them & label opinion as such when we remember (& assuming most of us can tell the difference when it is our own) & refrain from name calling, we are more likely to foster a tenor where discussions and even debates are respectful and a climate where mutual understanding is possible... even if it means agreeing to disagree like now...

* as far as the sequence of events, when i was responding to your post the other post you objected to hadn't been posted yet... i did address it above here in saying name calling is unnecessary...

 
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* as far as the sequence of events, when i was responding to your post the other post you objected to hadn't been posted yet... i did address it above here in saying name calling is unnecessary...
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You had no problem acknowledging your buddy "ME" here. It seems your agenda is wrapped around promoting your stance on White and that is fine with me, at least it helps me read-between-the-lines.

 
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Can't wait to make the Lendale haters eat crow. :blackdot:
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I can't see the crow being served anytime soon. If he was drafted by the Colts maybe you could warm up the oven, but with the Titans, even if he gets the lionshare of the carries, it's going to uphill 10 miles to school in the snow both ways, if you know what I mean.
 
and then i addressed it above CA 7, which i expected you to not acknowledge...

if you can't see how calling the opinion of others that disagree with you as blinded might be divisive & polarizing, than i don't know what else can be said about it...

there are a few issues here... your point was that i selectively took issue... if so, i stand corrected... but prior to that, there was the matter of YOUR language... maybe to you it seems to confuse the issue by deflecting attention to others, but i'm still squarely focused on the issue that words like blinded to characterize opposing views doesn't further clarity on the situation...

was your point that two wrongs make a right??

when you get pulled over for speeding, do you expect to get let off because "other people speed, too?"

* "Bob, you have made some very good points, however, isn't this message board about sharing opinions?? If I feel like someone is lacking in their evaluation I have every right to do so."

with this response i'm still not sure if you take responsibility for how your language could be off putting... sometimes its not what you say but how you say it... you could have conveyed EXACT same point by saying... imo, many aren't adequately factoring in or weighing downside...

that is respectful... in name calling & labeling others as blinded, there is a presumption almost that others are too ignorant to take into consideration the big picture like yourself...

one of my main points was... among the worst things about that stance is it is probably wrong in a lot of cases. unless you ask, why assume that others haven't considered the downside merely because they have reached a different conclusion with the same facts presented to all of us...

just because somebody disagrees with me, i rarely assume it is because they haven't thought it through as carefully as me... that would be intellectually arrogant.

** if someone, unprovoked, hits somebody with a medium sized bat, than they in turn get hit with a big bat... the hit with the big bat may carry more force... but from the point of view of many, the intitial, unprompted strike is judged more severely... ideally it could be discouraged from starting in the first place, so it doesn't escalate...

& in calling your language divisive & polarizing, i wasn't suggesting anything i have ever seen issued from your posts warranted a time out...

 
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Can't wait to make the Lendale haters eat crow. :blackdot:
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I can't see the crow being served anytime soon. If he was drafted by the Colts maybe you could warm up the oven, but with the Titans, even if he gets the lionshare of the carries, it's going to uphill 10 miles to school in the snow both ways, if you know what I mean.
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I will say this, he will crush expectations of a rookie RB 2nd rounder expectations.
 
Can't wait to make the Lendale haters eat crow. :blackdot:
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I can't see the crow being served anytime soon. If he was drafted by the Colts maybe you could warm up the oven, but with the Titans, even if he gets the lionshare of the carries, it's going to uphill 10 miles to school in the snow both ways, if you know what I mean.
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I will say this, he will crush expectations of a rookie RB 2nd rounder expectations.
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He's just moving on up! Just like.....These Good Folks

 
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White's character issues. I really don't have the time to find links supporting this because the issue of LenDale's pro career is already been exhausted
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I think at this point I'd like to see all these issues enumerated right here, since that seems to be the basis for many people to discount his chances. I realize they've probably been mentioned before in various other threads, I've even seen some vague references to them in a few, but it would be nice to see them listed out here, nice, neat and concise for us to consider. And I'm talking something a bit less vapid than the "man boobs" nonsense that keeps getting parroted around. Jerome Bettis wasn't exactly svelte and he had an o.k. NFL career.TIA
 
if you can't see how calling the opinion of others that disagree with you as blinded might be divisive & polarizing, than i don't know what else can be said about it...there are a few issues here... your point was that i selectively took issue... if so, i stand corrected... but prior to that, there was the matter of YOUR language... maybe to you it seems to confuse the issue by deflecting attention to others, but i'm still squarely focused on the issue that words like blinded to characterize opposing views doesn't further clarity on the situation...was your point that two wrongs make a right??when you get pulled over for speeding, do you expect to get let off because "other people speed, too?"
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I said they were blind to one facet of the evaluation. I never called anyone's entire view blind as you imply above.My point for bringing up the other post was I expecting staff members to show equal if not more energy on personal attacks as opposed to interpretation of a single word.
 
White's character issues.  I really don't have the time to find links supporting this because the issue of LenDale's pro career is already been exhausted
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I think at this point I'd like to see all these issues enumerated right here, since that seems to be the basis for many people to discount his chances. I realize they've probably been mentioned before in various other threads, I've even seen some vague references to them in a few, but it would be nice to see them listed out here, nice, neat and concise for us to consider. And I'm talking something a bit less vapid than the "man boobs" nonsense that keeps getting parroted around. Jerome Bettis wasn't exactly svelte and he had an o.k. NFL career.TIA
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LenDale Post Draft Interview"He said he doesn't understand all the questions about his character, saying he knows right from wrong. He also plans to prove doubters wrong."

(On dealing with character issues)

I don’t think there is anything to even bring up. I don’t feel like my character is going to be an issue at all. I’m a wonderful young man. I know the difference between right and wrong. I know the difference between good and bad. They took a shot and drafted me. They took a shot on taking me and I took a shot. I’m so excited about playing with them that it will never be a worry or a problem. I’m a Tennessee Titan and I’m excited about it.

(On if he believes the character issues caused him to fall in the draft and if it was unfair)

I don’t really know. I’m not with the general managers, I’m not with those guys. I know that film plays a lot in that part. They watch a lot of film and I got drafted. I don’t want to think of it on how I feel. I don’t know those reasons. All I know is I can only continue to be the best Lendale White I can be. Now that I work with the Tennessee Titans I can help them win football games.

 
if you can't see how calling the opinion of others that disagree with you as blinded might be divisive & polarizing, than i don't know what else can be said about it...

there are a few issues here... your point was that i selectively took issue... if so, i stand corrected... but prior to that, there was the matter of YOUR language... maybe to you it seems to confuse the issue by deflecting attention to others, but i'm still squarely focused on the issue that words like blinded to characterize opposing views doesn't further clarity on the situation...

was your point that two wrongs make a right??

when you get pulled over for speeding, do you expect to get let off because "other people speed, too?"
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I said they were blind to one facet of the evaluation. I never called anyone's entire view blind as you imply above.My point for bringing up the other post was I expecting staff members to show equal if not more energy on personal attacks as opposed to interpretation of a single word.
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understood, but can you see how impugning a part of a thought process & assuming that it is ignorant & flawed might be objectionable, too... especially if you don't know what you are asserting... you said yourself you didn't have time of inclination to link back (ie - you aren't sure how they arrived at their take)...the question isn't whether it is just a word... it is about the choice of word... if you had used the word ignorant (which means about same in this case, given usage & context), i would have responded the same...

 
White's character issues.  I really don't have the time to find links supporting this because the issue of LenDale's pro career is already been exhausted
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I think at this point I'd like to see all these issues enumerated right here, since that seems to be the basis for many people to discount his chances. I realize they've probably been mentioned before in various other threads, I've even seen some vague references to them in a few, but it would be nice to see them listed out here, nice, neat and concise for us to consider. And I'm talking something a bit less vapid than the "man boobs" nonsense that keeps getting parroted around. Jerome Bettis wasn't exactly svelte and he had an o.k. NFL career.TIA
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Great post here. We should actually quantify and clarify White's liabilities and character issues in order to prevent the compounding snowball. Go for it!On the other hand, I would say that a little hyperbole about White's manboobs is perfectly appropriate. He hasn't been in great physical condition and did look a little jiggly at the combine. I joked about the Bus's beer gut all the time, and in no way was it a knock on his character or abilities.

 
White's character issues. I really don't have the time to find links supporting this because the issue of LenDale's pro career is already been exhausted
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I think at this point I'd like to see all these issues enumerated right here, since that seems to be the basis for many people to discount his chances. I realize they've probably been mentioned before in various other threads, I've even seen some vague references to them in a few, but it would be nice to see them listed out here, nice, neat and concise for us to consider. And I'm talking something a bit less vapid than the "man boobs" nonsense that keeps getting parroted around. Jerome Bettis wasn't exactly svelte and he had an o.k. NFL career.TIA
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LenDale Post Draft Interview"He said he doesn't understand all the questions about his character, saying he knows right from wrong. He also plans to prove doubters wrong."

(On dealing with character issues)

I don’t think there is anything to even bring up. I don’t feel like my character is going to be an issue at all. I’m a wonderful young man. I know the difference between right and wrong. I know the difference between good and bad. They took a shot and drafted me. They took a shot on taking me and I took a shot. I’m so excited about playing with them that it will never be a worry or a problem. I’m a Tennessee Titan and I’m excited about it.

(On if he believes the character issues caused him to fall in the draft and if it was unfair)

I don’t really know. I’m not with the general managers, I’m not with those guys. I know that film plays a lot in that part. They watch a lot of film and I got drafted. I don’t want to think of it on how I feel. I don’t know those reasons. All I know is I can only continue to be the best Lendale White I can be. Now that I work with the Tennessee Titans I can help them win football games.
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Looks good to me.
 
Chad Greenway showed up at the combine with a pair of shoes he had never worn before and proceeded to run one of his personal worst 40 times at the combine.

I don't hear people jumping on Chad Greenway's back for being stupid.

White's combine fiasco (which is what it was) cannot be overlooked, but I don't think we should make a complete character generalization on it either.

He made a mistake, lets see how he learns from it.
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Short...simple...straight to the point.White is a kid. Like most kids or people between 18-23, he is going to make some mistakes. Anyone over 30 will readily admit to a few...many...transgressions during those years. Also, most people mature at differnt points in those same wise years located between highschool and the working world and stop saying or doing dumb stuff. Eventually, you grow up. Of course, most of us did that with total anonymity, as compared to White. Yes, it comes with the territory of celebrity but nothing this kid has done is irrevocable.

I am giving White the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, it is easy to pile on and even I have made many references to his body type and the fact he will be the arch nemisis of uniform and hamstring pants everywhere for seasons to come but...

I think he turns it around and ends up being ROY.

 
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