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LeSean McCoy dynasty value (1 Viewer)

pretender said:
I think McCoy is a huge buy low candidate. Everyone is paying top dollar for Moreno, Wells, and Greene...this guy is worth just as much and is in a much better offense. He is 21 years old, and was able to play very effectively in one of the most complicated offenses in the league. Once the game slows down for him, he will start to look MUCH better. If he takes the next step like I think he will, he will be a 1200 yard, 8-10 TD, and 50 catch guy in a great offense. If he doesn't, his value is going to be pretty similar to what it is now.
I'm not so sure he is a "buy low" candidate anymore - I just traded him for 1.04. That isn't low to me and I wouldn't have traded him for anything less. just my 2 cents
By "buy low", I don't mean he is super cheap. I just mean that I think his value is the lowest it will be for quite some time. As far as comparing him to Beanie, I think Beanie is a more powerful runner, and more explosive. However, if you play in PPR, McCoy will be a receiving threat and will get plenty of red zone opportunities. He may not be quite as talented, but his talented is good enough to expect that his success won't be only tied to his situation. Players see the largest jump in performance from their first season to their second, so it just makes sense to wait and see. McCoy was chosen by a team that is fantastic at scouting, and showed he could step right in as a rookie. I expect his value to jump significantly after his first few games next season, so whether you want to hold or want to sell...you should wait.
 
i think mendenhall is a perfect example of mccoy's upside.
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Mendenhall looks, to me, like the next Kevin Smith/Marshawn Lynch. An above-average talent who'll put up borderline RB1 numbers for as long as he has the job, but who'll never really be anything special.
Aren't borderline RB1's worth a top 3 fantasy pick?????!!!!
Depends on how long they remain borderline RB1s for. In the case of Lynch and Smith, it wasn't that long. Both of them saw their value drop like a stone with little to no warning.Put it this way- if you'd traded a top 3 fantasy pick for Marshawn Lynch last offseason, would you be pleased with that trade right now?
 
tony nowak's pre-season (& pre-draft) scouting profile...

http://fftoday.com/articles/idptony/09draft_rbs_v2.htm

LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh – 2SO) 5’11” 204

Combine Invite: Yes

After a record-breaking freshman year, expectations were high for McCoy and Pitt, who went in to the season with a Top-

25 ranking. Both got out of the gate slow when Bowling Green came to town for the season opener and upset the Panthers by containing McCoy. He finished with 71 yards at a 3.1 ypc clip with no run over 12 yards, but did score an 11-yard TD on the opening drive and had five receptions for 45 yards. The following week, he scored all three TDs for the Panthers on short runs in a close victory over a surprising Buffalo squad. He was seven yards short of his first 100 yard rushing game, but went over 100 all-purpose yards again with a 24-yard reception. After a bye, McCoy scored the eventual game-winning TD in a one-point win over Iowa when he burst through the middle, then cut across the field and outran the rest of the defense 27 yards untouched. He was held in check most of the day, but on that pivotal drive he rushed for 41 yards and caught a 28-yard reception. At Syracuse, to open the Big East season, he notched his first 100-yard game. He rushed for 149 yards and started a five-game string where he would average 152.4 yards rushing and score 10 TDs, including the game-winner in an upset at #10 USF and a season-long 58-yarder at Navy. Against Louisville, the Cardinals put all their focus on McCoy and held him at negative yardage during the second half. He did run for an 11-yard TD on a direct snap and completed his second career pass for 14 yards. McCoy finished with a career-low 39 yards rushing, but Pitt blew out Louisville. He missed rushing for 100 yards again at Cincinnati, but ran for two TDs and had 127 combined yards in the loss. McCoy owned WVU in the Backyard Brawl for the second straight year, rushing for a career-high 183 yards, including a game-winning one-yard TD run, his second of the game, after carrying the ball nine of ten times on the decisive drive. In a regular season finale showdown with fellow standout underclassmen Donald Brown, McCoy was slightly less productive, but his 47-yard TD run in the third quarter began a 24-point outburst that led the team to victory at UConn. McCoy was limited to 85 yards on 24 carries in a disappointing offensive performance in a 3-0 loss to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl. After leading the Panthers to their first bowl since 2004, McCoy reversed early comments that he would return and, following an apparently agonizing decision process, declared he would enter the draft. McCoy finished his second season with 1,488 rushing yards on 308 carries and 21 TDs, tied for second in FBS.

In my preseason preview, I expected Shady to go the route of Panther alum Larry Fitzgerald and declare after just two seasons if he had similar success, but he improved on his numbers as a sophomore despite a target on his back every game. I expect him to find similar success to Fitzgerald at the next level, as well. McCoy is rare in his ability to thrive inside and outside. A natural runner with outstanding instincts and balance, he has breakaway speed once he gets to the second level. His balance really stands out to me watching him on film, just amazing how it contributes to his ability to change direction and break tackles. A compact runner with great elusiveness through the line and ankle-breaking moves in the open field, it’s hard to get a clean shot on him. Also a very good receiver with soft hands and awareness, he had 33 receptions in 2007 and 32 in 2008.

Ball security is one of the few holes in his game. He has also been accused of trying to bounce too much outside, but I don’t see it. He thrives between the tackles and heads to the edges when the situation dictates it. A bit thin through the hips, there’s some concern if he can carry more bulk, but he appears to have enough talent to succeed regardless. He’ll be 20 years old at the start of his first NFL season and with unlimited potential, he should be one of the first three backs selected.

 
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tony nowak's pre-season (& pre-draft) scouting profile...

http://fftoday.com/articles/idptony/09draft_rbs_v2.htm

LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh – 2SO) 5’11” 204

Combine Invite: Yes

After a record-breaking freshman year, expectations were high for McCoy and Pitt, who went in to the season with a Top-

25 ranking. Both got out of the gate slow when Bowling Green came to town for the season opener and upset the Panthers by containing McCoy. He finished with 71 yards at a 3.1 ypc clip with no run over 12 yards, but did score an 11-yard TD on the opening drive and had five receptions for 45 yards. The following week, he scored all three TDs for the Panthers on short runs in a close victory over a surprising Buffalo squad. He was seven yards short of his first 100 yard rushing game, but went over 100 all-purpose yards again with a 24-yard reception. After a bye, McCoy scored the eventual game-winning TD in a one-point win over Iowa when he burst through the middle, then cut across the field and outran the rest of the defense 27 yards untouched. He was held in check most of the day, but on that pivotal drive he rushed for 41 yards and caught a 28-yard reception. At Syracuse, to open the Big East season, he notched his first 100-yard game. He rushed for 149 yards and started a five-game string where he would average 152.4 yards rushing and score 10 TDs, including the game-winner in an upset at #10 USF and a season-long 58-yarder at Navy. Against Louisville, the Cardinals put all their focus on McCoy and held him at negative yardage during the second half. He did run for an 11-yard TD on a direct snap and completed his second career pass for 14 yards. McCoy finished with a career-low 39 yards rushing, but Pitt blew out Louisville. He missed rushing for 100 yards again at Cincinnati, but ran for two TDs and had 127 combined yards in the loss. McCoy owned WVU in the Backyard Brawl for the second straight year, rushing for a career-high 183 yards, including a game-winning one-yard TD run, his second of the game, after carrying the ball nine of ten times on the decisive drive. In a regular season finale showdown with fellow standout underclassmen Donald Brown, McCoy was slightly less productive, but his 47-yard TD run in the third quarter began a 24-point outburst that led the team to victory at UConn. McCoy was limited to 85 yards on 24 carries in a disappointing offensive performance in a 3-0 loss to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl. After leading the Panthers to their first bowl since 2004, McCoy reversed early comments that he would return and, following an apparently agonizing decision process, declared he would enter the draft. McCoy finished his second season with 1,488 rushing yards on 308 carries and 21 TDs, tied for second in FBS.

In my preseason preview, I expected Shady to go the route of Panther alum Larry Fitzgerald and declare after just two seasons if he had similar success, but he improved on his numbers as a sophomore despite a target on his back every game. I expect him to find similar success to Fitzgerald at the next level, as well. McCoy is rare in his ability to thrive inside and outside. A natural runner with outstanding instincts and balance, he has breakaway speed once he gets to the second level. His balance really stands out to me watching him on film, just amazing how it contributes to his ability to change direction and break tackles. A compact runner with great elusiveness through the line and ankle-breaking moves in the open field, it’s hard to get a clean shot on him. Also a very good receiver with soft hands and awareness, he had 33 receptions in 2007 and 32 in 2008.

Ball security is one of the few holes in his game. He has also been accused of trying to bounce too much outside, but I don’t see it. He thrives between the tackles and heads to the edges when the situation dictates it. A bit thin through the hips, there’s some concern if he can carry more bulk, but he appears to have enough talent to succeed regardless. He’ll be 20 years old at the start of his first NFL season and with unlimited potential, he should be one of the first three backs selected.
What is your take on his transition to the NFL? How do you think he looked last season?
 
from watching him play i don't think he's that good. I'd be looking to sell him this offseason
That is my impression as well. He seems to be a VERY poor mans Reggie Bush. A lot of juke and jive but not a lot of substance. He has decent vision but doesn't run with much power. He has talent but doesn't seem to have that extra little burst and finish that the good ones show right away. That said, he could be one of those "opportunity" RB and in Philly that could be significant. I'm holding unless one of the Eagles homers on my league gets overly excited about him.
Pretty good (and accurate) initial assessment.The problem McCoy has right now is that he has too many moves. He's trying to fake everyone out to set up a big run, but it never materializes. The issues are that on the top level of the NFL, everyone is good. In college, if you made the best LB miss, you could break a big run. That takes time for a rookie to learn.He's a quick runner and good in open spaces, but he's trying to get to that space too quickly. He doesn't make moves to set up the hole nor does he quickly get to and through the hole - yet. I think he may in the future, but right now he looks like he wants to get to the corner and run as fast as he can. That's why he was used in so many screen plays while Weaver ran inside when Westbrook was out.Another issue is ball security - he doesn't have it right now. The ball is way too far away from his body and begging to be ripped out of his hands. All of this can be coached out and he could turn into a very good RB, but odds are his upside is a poor man's Westbrook with 50-60 receptions, 150-200 carries and a combined 1,200-1,300 yards. I don't see him as a bell cow RB, but then again there aren't many in today's NFL. Look for him to split time with someone in the Eagles' backfield for the balance of McCoy's career.
:goodposting: This is pretty much how I see McCoy as well. Very nicely said.
 
tony nowak's pre-season (& pre-draft) scouting profile...

http://fftoday.com/articles/idptony/09draft_rbs_v2.htm

LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh – 2SO) 5’11” 204

Combine Invite: Yes

After a record-breaking freshman year, expectations were high for McCoy and Pitt, who went in to the season with a Top-

25 ranking. Both got out of the gate slow when Bowling Green came to town for the season opener and upset the Panthers by containing McCoy. He finished with 71 yards at a 3.1 ypc clip with no run over 12 yards, but did score an 11-yard TD on the opening drive and had five receptions for 45 yards. The following week, he scored all three TDs for the Panthers on short runs in a close victory over a surprising Buffalo squad. He was seven yards short of his first 100 yard rushing game, but went over 100 all-purpose yards again with a 24-yard reception. After a bye, McCoy scored the eventual game-winning TD in a one-point win over Iowa when he burst through the middle, then cut across the field and outran the rest of the defense 27 yards untouched. He was held in check most of the day, but on that pivotal drive he rushed for 41 yards and caught a 28-yard reception. At Syracuse, to open the Big East season, he notched his first 100-yard game. He rushed for 149 yards and started a five-game string where he would average 152.4 yards rushing and score 10 TDs, including the game-winner in an upset at #10 USF and a season-long 58-yarder at Navy. Against Louisville, the Cardinals put all their focus on McCoy and held him at negative yardage during the second half. He did run for an 11-yard TD on a direct snap and completed his second career pass for 14 yards. McCoy finished with a career-low 39 yards rushing, but Pitt blew out Louisville. He missed rushing for 100 yards again at Cincinnati, but ran for two TDs and had 127 combined yards in the loss. McCoy owned WVU in the Backyard Brawl for the second straight year, rushing for a career-high 183 yards, including a game-winning one-yard TD run, his second of the game, after carrying the ball nine of ten times on the decisive drive. In a regular season finale showdown with fellow standout underclassmen Donald Brown, McCoy was slightly less productive, but his 47-yard TD run in the third quarter began a 24-point outburst that led the team to victory at UConn. McCoy was limited to 85 yards on 24 carries in a disappointing offensive performance in a 3-0 loss to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl. After leading the Panthers to their first bowl since 2004, McCoy reversed early comments that he would return and, following an apparently agonizing decision process, declared he would enter the draft. McCoy finished his second season with 1,488 rushing yards on 308 carries and 21 TDs, tied for second in FBS.

In my preseason preview, I expected Shady to go the route of Panther alum Larry Fitzgerald and declare after just two seasons if he had similar success, but he improved on his numbers as a sophomore despite a target on his back every game. I expect him to find similar success to Fitzgerald at the next level, as well. McCoy is rare in his ability to thrive inside and outside. A natural runner with outstanding instincts and balance, he has breakaway speed once he gets to the second level. His balance really stands out to me watching him on film, just amazing how it contributes to his ability to change direction and break tackles. A compact runner with great elusiveness through the line and ankle-breaking moves in the open field, it’s hard to get a clean shot on him. Also a very good receiver with soft hands and awareness, he had 33 receptions in 2007 and 32 in 2008.

Ball security is one of the few holes in his game. He has also been accused of trying to bounce too much outside, but I don’t see it. He thrives between the tackles and heads to the edges when the situation dictates it. A bit thin through the hips, there’s some concern if he can carry more bulk, but he appears to have enough talent to succeed regardless. He’ll be 20 years old at the start of his first NFL season and with unlimited potential, he should be one of the first three backs selected.
What is your take on his transition to the NFL? How do you think he looked last season?
i thought his rookie year was a mixed bag...seeing as he only played two years in college, left a year early, and historically PHI rookie RBs don't do a lot, i thought overall he did about as good as could be fairly expected. not sure if he hit the wall but the end of the season didn't seem to live up to the promise of earlier.

the OL did seem to have some injuries (andrews brothers, etc), which maybe affected run blocking more than the passing game.

there was some uncertainty about whether mccoy would play much, given questions about his pass blocking, which he seemed to answer as a rookie. if westbrook retires or is deemphasized, his role should only increase. i don't think weaver is going to permanently impact his share of carries to the degree he did at the end of 2009.

he has above average hands and should be dangerous on screens.

while it is still a question how his game will transition to the NFL (which prompted your question), as a prep and in college i thought his lateral quickness (he doesn't have breakaway speed, but neither did westbrook) and elusiveness were outstanding. it is hard to describe, but in his Pitt highlights, he flashed a kind of gliding, effortless economy of motion and the ability to make defenders miss look easy, like the great ones. i have seen him flash the ability to run inside with decisiveness in college and AT TIMES as a rookie, which makes me think he won't have the same chronic dancing behind the LOS problems that have plagued reggie bush.

i suspect i am higher on him than some here, maybe a lot higher. i agree with the seeming minority opinion that he is a hold/buy low, and that his value will go up, probably as soon as next year. i think he is capable of better than 1,200-1,300 combined yards that jeff has him projected for, though i concede he follows the eagles a lot more closely, and has probably seen a lot more of him. perhaps this is part gut feeling on my part.

i do think he has the talent, constellation of traits, skill set & pedigree to seize the lion's share of carries in a year or two, and his value wil go up, probably a lot, in that time. imo he has top 10 RB ability, with possible upside from there, depending on how many touches he ultimately gets, how big a part of the passing game he plays, etc.

remember, some of the same questions about mccoy (will he always be a situational RB?) were said of westbrook his first few seasons. mccoy ALREADY accomplished far more than westbrook did as a rookie, so in that sense can be said to be ahead of schedule relative to westbrook*. not sure about mcnabb's status long term, but i think kolb will be a capable successor, assuming he isn't traded (i think mcnabb being dealt more likely, but most likely mcnabb around in 2010 & kolb takes over in 2011). mccoy could be the beneficiary of an outstanding trio of receiving weapons in jackson/maclin/celek, which should really open up the run game - he will probably rarely see eight in the box with desean's scary, blow-the-lid-off the secondary deep speed. westbrook never really had this kind of advantage (TO for one full season, but for the most part, mediocre WRs for most of his tenure).

westbrook in his prime was more explosive (but you could say that about just about everybody... at one time, westbrook had one of the nastiest first steps in football), and clearly was stronger... most obviously in his lower body power, but also in his upper body... he was rarely arm tackled. but mccoy should physically mature and develop, fill out a bit more and get stronger.

if he evolves into about 80% as good as westbrook, with a similar opportunity, which is my expectation, he should be able to rack up some pretty big numbers over his career. he is one of the youngest players in the league at any position (with kenny britt and beanie wells), and could emerge as the eagles primary RB by the age of 21-22.

don't know if he will ever be a big TD scorer, as reid likes to get cute around the end zone and throw flips to the TEs, PHI has had trouble in short yardage in recent years. but he flashed ability in college, and imo could deliver if given more opportunity there.

* westbrook didn't have 200+ carries until his fifth season, at which time he was already 27... he was only able to sustain this level of workload for two more years after that breakthrough. it should be added, though, that westbrook was highly productive from his third season on, because of his ability to do a lot of damage in the passing game (60-70+ receptions)...

** mccoy's best play of the season, a 66 yard TD run against the giants... it was a gaping hole, but he showed nice initial burst, downfield vision and instincts, and the speed to finish by taking it to the house...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_KBpUkmso8

 
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from watching him play i don't think he's that good. I'd be looking to sell him this offseason
That is my impression as well. He seems to be a VERY poor mans Reggie Bush. A lot of juke and jive but not a lot of substance. He has decent vision but doesn't run with much power. He has talent but doesn't seem to have that extra little burst and finish that the good ones show right away. That said, he could be one of those "opportunity" RB and in Philly that could be significant. I'm holding unless one of the Eagles homers on my league gets overly excited about him.
Pretty good (and accurate) initial assessment.The problem McCoy has right now is that he has too many moves. He's trying to fake everyone out to set up a big run, but it never materializes. The issues are that on the top level of the NFL, everyone is good. In college, if you made the best LB miss, you could break a big run. That takes time for a rookie to learn.He's a quick runner and good in open spaces, but he's trying to get to that space too quickly. He doesn't make moves to set up the hole nor does he quickly get to and through the hole - yet. I think he may in the future, but right now he looks like he wants to get to the corner and run as fast as he can. That's why he was used in so many screen plays while Weaver ran inside when Westbrook was out.Another issue is ball security - he doesn't have it right now. The ball is way too far away from his body and begging to be ripped out of his hands. All of this can be coached out and he could turn into a very good RB, but odds are his upside is a poor man's Westbrook with 50-60 receptions, 150-200 carries and a combined 1,200-1,300 yards. I don't see him as a bell cow RB, but then again there aren't many in today's NFL. Look for him to split time with someone in the Eagles' backfield for the balance of McCoy's career.
:thumbup: This is pretty much how I see McCoy as well. Very nicely said.
:goodposting: A little more "one cut and go" in McCoy's game would do wonders for his future. And his ball security is remarkably poor but very similar to Bush in that regard. The loaf of bread analogy fits nicely here....so I wonder which big game he'll cost the Eagles before he makes changing his ball carrying style a priority?
 
Bob Magaw said:
Jedimaster21 said:
Bob Magaw said:
tony nowak's pre-season (& pre-draft) scouting profile...

http://fftoday.com/articles/idptony/09draft_rbs_v2.htm

LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh – 2SO) 5’11” 204

Combine Invite: Yes

After a record-breaking freshman year, expectations were high for McCoy and Pitt, who went in to the season with a Top-

25 ranking. Both got out of the gate slow when Bowling Green came to town for the season opener and upset the Panthers by containing McCoy. He finished with 71 yards at a 3.1 ypc clip with no run over 12 yards, but did score an 11-yard TD on the opening drive and had five receptions for 45 yards. The following week, he scored all three TDs for the Panthers on short runs in a close victory over a surprising Buffalo squad. He was seven yards short of his first 100 yard rushing game, but went over 100 all-purpose yards again with a 24-yard reception. After a bye, McCoy scored the eventual game-winning TD in a one-point win over Iowa when he burst through the middle, then cut across the field and outran the rest of the defense 27 yards untouched. He was held in check most of the day, but on that pivotal drive he rushed for 41 yards and caught a 28-yard reception. At Syracuse, to open the Big East season, he notched his first 100-yard game. He rushed for 149 yards and started a five-game string where he would average 152.4 yards rushing and score 10 TDs, including the game-winner in an upset at #10 USF and a season-long 58-yarder at Navy. Against Louisville, the Cardinals put all their focus on McCoy and held him at negative yardage during the second half. He did run for an 11-yard TD on a direct snap and completed his second career pass for 14 yards. McCoy finished with a career-low 39 yards rushing, but Pitt blew out Louisville. He missed rushing for 100 yards again at Cincinnati, but ran for two TDs and had 127 combined yards in the loss. McCoy owned WVU in the Backyard Brawl for the second straight year, rushing for a career-high 183 yards, including a game-winning one-yard TD run, his second of the game, after carrying the ball nine of ten times on the decisive drive. In a regular season finale showdown with fellow standout underclassmen Donald Brown, McCoy was slightly less productive, but his 47-yard TD run in the third quarter began a 24-point outburst that led the team to victory at UConn. McCoy was limited to 85 yards on 24 carries in a disappointing offensive performance in a 3-0 loss to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl. After leading the Panthers to their first bowl since 2004, McCoy reversed early comments that he would return and, following an apparently agonizing decision process, declared he would enter the draft. McCoy finished his second season with 1,488 rushing yards on 308 carries and 21 TDs, tied for second in FBS.

In my preseason preview, I expected Shady to go the route of Panther alum Larry Fitzgerald and declare after just two seasons if he had similar success, but he improved on his numbers as a sophomore despite a target on his back every game. I expect him to find similar success to Fitzgerald at the next level, as well. McCoy is rare in his ability to thrive inside and outside. A natural runner with outstanding instincts and balance, he has breakaway speed once he gets to the second level. His balance really stands out to me watching him on film, just amazing how it contributes to his ability to change direction and break tackles. A compact runner with great elusiveness through the line and ankle-breaking moves in the open field, it’s hard to get a clean shot on him. Also a very good receiver with soft hands and awareness, he had 33 receptions in 2007 and 32 in 2008.

Ball security is one of the few holes in his game. He has also been accused of trying to bounce too much outside, but I don’t see it. He thrives between the tackles and heads to the edges when the situation dictates it. A bit thin through the hips, there’s some concern if he can carry more bulk, but he appears to have enough talent to succeed regardless. He’ll be 20 years old at the start of his first NFL season and with unlimited potential, he should be one of the first three backs selected.
What is your take on his transition to the NFL? How do you think he looked last season?
i thought his rookie year was a mixed bag...seeing as he only played two years in college, left a year early, and historically PHI rookie RBs don't do a lot, i thought overall he did about as good as could be fairly expected. not sure if he hit the wall but the end of the season didn't seem to live up to the promise of earlier.

the OL did seem to have some injuries (andrews brothers, etc), which maybe affected run blocking more than the passing game.

there was some uncertainty about whether mccoy would play much, given questions about his pass blocking, which he seemed to answer as a rookie. if westbrook retires or is deemphasized, his role should only increase. i don't think weaver is going to permanently impact his share of carries to the degree he did at the end of 2009.

he has above average hands and should be dangerous on screens.

while it is still a question how his game will transition to the NFL (which prompted your question), as a prep and in college i thought his lateral quickness (he doesn't have breakaway speed, but neither did westbrook) and elusiveness were outstanding. it is hard to describe, but in his Pitt highlights, he flashed a kind of gliding, effortless economy of motion and the ability to make defenders miss look easy, like the great ones. i have seen him flash the ability to run inside with decisiveness in college and AT TIMES as a rookie, which makes me think he won't have the same chronic dancing behind the LOS problems that have plagued reggie bush.

i suspect i am higher on him than some here, maybe a lot higher. i agree with the seeming minority opinion that he is a hold/buy low, and that his value will go up, probably as soon as next year. i think he is capable of better than 1,200-1,300 combined yards that jeff has him projected for, though i concede he follows the eagles a lot more closely, and has probably seen a lot more of him. perhaps this is part gut feeling on my part.

i do think he has the talent, constellation of traits, skill set & pedigree to seize the lion's share of carries in a year or two, and his value wil go up, probably a lot, in that time. imo he has top 10 RB ability, with possible upside from there, depending on how many touches he ultimately gets, how big a part of the passing game he plays, etc.

remember, some of the same questions about mccoy (will he always be a situational RB?) were said of westbrook his first few seasons. mccoy ALREADY accomplished far more than westbrook did as a rookie, so in that sense can be said to be ahead of schedule relative to westbrook*. not sure about mcnabb's status long term, but i think kolb will be a capable successor, assuming he isn't traded (i think mcnabb being dealt more likely, but most likely mcnabb around in 2010 & kolb takes over in 2011). mccoy could be the beneficiary of an outstanding trio of receiving weapons in jackson/maclin/celek, which should really open up the run game - he will probably rarely see eight in the box with desean's scary, blow-the-lid-off the secondary deep speed. westbrook never really had this kind of advantage (TO for one full season, but for the most part, mediocre WRs for most of his tenure).

westbrook in his prime was more explosive (but you could say that about just about everybody... at one time, westbrook had one of the nastiest first steps in football), and clearly was stronger... most obviously in his lower body power, but also in his upper body... he was rarely arm tackled. but mccoy should physically mature and develop, fill out a bit more and get stronger.

if he evolves into about 80% as good as westbrook, with a similar opportunity, which is my expectation, he should be able to rack up some pretty big numbers over his career. he is one of the youngest players in the league at any position (with kenny britt and beanie wells), and could emerge as the eagles primary RB by the age of 21-22.

don't know if he will ever be a big TD scorer, as reid likes to get cute around the end zone and throw flips to the TEs, PHI has had trouble in short yardage in recent years. but he flashed ability in college, and imo could deliver if given more opportunity there.

* westbrook didn't have 200+ carries until his fifth season, at which time he was already 27... he was only able to sustain this level of workload for two more years after that breakthrough. it should be added, though, that westbrook was highly productive from his third season on, because of his ability to do a lot of damage in the passing game (60-70+ receptions)...

** mccoy's best play of the season, a 66 yard TD run against the giants... it was a gaping hole, but he showed nice initial burst, downfield vision and instincts, and the speed to finish by taking it to the house...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_KBpUkmso8
I don't know if everyone appreciates your posts, but I certainly do! You always have very educated, insightful posts that really help with player evaluation.Anyway, I totally agree with your take (and the minority apparently), and think he will have a huge jump in production next season...which will result in a huge jump in value. He demonstrated in college that he could carry a significant load, and as young as he is, he will continue to mature physically. Get him now.

 
You might be right to a certain extent. I doubt his value will spike as much as theirs has. At the same time, you need to remember that almost NO ONE on these boards considered Rice and Charles special talents after their rookie seasons. Where McCoy is right now isn't any different from where they were.
Rice looked good, very good in his limited time. Charles didnt really get enough carries to make a judgment one way or another. I see your point but McCoy's had nearly 200 carries this year. Thats enough for me to forge an opinion and he just looks very mediocre out there.
What more did you want him to do with his 155 touches? He averaged over 4.0 YPC and showed pretty good hands?
 
You might be right to a certain extent. I doubt his value will spike as much as theirs has. At the same time, you need to remember that almost NO ONE on these boards considered Rice and Charles special talents after their rookie seasons. Where McCoy is right now isn't any different from where they were.
Rice looked good, very good in his limited time. Charles didnt really get enough carries to make a judgment one way or another. I see your point but McCoy's had nearly 200 carries this year. Thats enough for me to forge an opinion and he just looks very mediocre out there.
What more did you want him to do with his 155 touches? He averaged over 4.0 YPC and showed pretty good hands?
McCoy didnt show the ability to run consistently in between the tackes. He sure did have more than a few WOW plays though.
 
FWIW from Sportsline:

Latest News(Updated 02/01/2010).Eagles QB Donovan McNabb said in an interview with CBSSports.com that he's fond of RB LeSean McCoy. While it's unknown what's going to happen with Brian Westbrook this offseason -- he could retire, which is a report, or the Eagles might decide to cut him and go in a different direction -- McNabb said McCoy could handle the load as the starter. "He's an outstanding talent," McNabb said of McCoy. "I think he can (do well as the starter). This offseason is going to be very important for him." Fullback Leonard Weaver also spoke highly of McCoy, who ran for 637 yards and four touchdowns and caught 40 passes for 308 yards as a rookie in 2009. "The guy is going to grow tremendously," Weaver said. "He showed tremendous strides and steps as a player." AnalysisMcCoy's Fantasy value is tied to Westbrook and what he decides to do. Westbrook's future came into question after concussions caused him to miss seven games this season. Westbrook, 30, finished with 274 yards on 61 carries and was spelled or replaced by McCoy. If Westbrook is not with the Eagles in 2010 then McCoy should be considered a solid No. 2 Fantasy RB in all leagues worth a pick as early as Round 4. If Westbrook is back, then consider McCoy a No. 3 Fantasy RB with upside worth a pick in Round 6. Either way, McCoy is someone to target on Draft Day, and look for him to be a significant contributor to the Eagles offense.
 
From Rotoworld:

Sports Illustrated's Peter King says that LeSean McCoy will be the breakout Eagles of 2010.

The Eagles didn't exactly trust McCoy as a rookie because of his inconsistent pass protection, inability to convert in short yardage and poor fundamentals when carrying the ball in space. That said, McCoy could very well be looking at 15+ touches a game if/when Brian Westbrook gets cut. With McCoy's explosiveness, that should be enough to warrant significant fantasy upside.

Source: sportsillustrated.cnn.com

 
McCoy has sick moves. Don't forget, this kid is YOUNG. He's still bulking up and building confidence. Still a big fan. My biggest concern is what if they 86 McNabb? Unlikely, but not impossible. Love his situation with McNabb, it's an unknown w/Kolb.

btw, thanks for reference, Bob.

 

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