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Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we? (1 Viewer)

eNdblu said:
So back to back disappointing weeks, and now Tyrod's benching...

What's everyone think about McCoy's outlook the rest of the season?
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I’m hesitant to be too excited. Our best hope is that they lean on him heavily like they did in the games they won. But the fear is opponents simply try to take him out of the game... but were they already kind of doing that anyways?

In their losses McCoy has 12, 19, 12, 8 carries and 7, 9, 1, 5 targets.

In their wins McCoy has 22, 14, 20, 23, 27 carries and 6, 7, 3, 7, 7 targets.

I hope the coaches see this and realized when they are attempting to get McCoy the ball they are winning.

 
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Saboo said:
I’m not feeling good about McCoy at all for the rest of the season. He’s putting up low end #2 rb numbers
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Definitely a bust this year at his draft position. At this point, not much to do except plug him in and hope he gets a rare touchdown. 

 
DocHolliday said:
Too bad the Bills didn't have a QB that could have kept the game close.   McCoy could have a huge day.   
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Even more so... It would be nice if they game planned the game around McCoy, who is by far the best offensive player they have. Instead, the hardly give him the ball... Then almost completely remove him from the game as soon as they get down. They bring in C level backs, as if McCoy isn't a good option to catch out of the backfield.

 
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WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
Even more so... It would be nice if thwy gameplanned the game around McCoy, who is by far the best offensive player they have. Instead, the hardly give him the ball... Then almost completely remove him from the game as soon as they get down. They bring in C level backs, as McCoy isn't a good option to catch out of the backfield.
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I have no idea how Buffalo makes their personnel decisions. 

 
I just lost Thompson in an extremely deep dynasty league.  Which back would be the McCoy handcuff?  Tolbert or Cadet?  Not that I feel either would have much value but in a league with 18-teams part-timers are worth rostering.  The scoring is set up so that a pass catching back is worth a spot, as Thompson was RB11 this YTD.  Given the above I'm leaning towards Cadet but his small sample size concerns me.

 
Right now McCoy's avg 12pts/game in non-PPR lgs.  His TD total is in the basement (4 russhing, 1 recieiving), and his scoring is extremely erratic (5 double-digit scores thru 11 wks).

For those in non-ppr lgs, how are you feeling about this week's matchup vs NE?  The NE defense has been improving over the last 6 weeks.  I've seen them ranked as high as the 4th DST for wk 13 (CBS).  Over the last 6 games (MIA, OAK, DEN, LAC, ATL, NYJ), NE's defense is avgeraging 107.5 rushing yds/game to opponents.  These teams aren't quite known for their rushing attacks, so there's something positive.  

With that said, McCoy hasn't gone over 100yds rushing more than 3 times this season (NYJ, OAK, LAC), and has yet to top 50yds receiving in a game this season.  In fact, McCoy is only averaging 27yds/game receiving.

Are these low numbers due to game planning?  QB play?  Without those 100yd rushing games, McCoy is closer to 48yds/game.  If I look at his more consistent rushing (48) and receiving (27) yardage, McCoy is only netting about 7.5 pts/game, which makes him TD dependent.

With NE Def on the rise, is McCoy worth a start this week?  Considering this to be a challenging game for Buffalo, and might go with someone like Collins over McCoy this week.

What are other's doing this week?

 
Peak said:
Right now McCoy's avg 12pts/game in non-PPR lgs.  His TD total is in the basement (4 russhing, 1 recieiving), and his scoring is extremely erratic (5 double-digit scores thru 11 wks).

For those in non-ppr lgs, how are you feeling about this week's matchup vs NE?  The NE defense has been improving over the last 6 weeks.  I've seen them ranked as high as the 4th DST for wk 13 (CBS).  Over the last 6 games (MIA, OAK, DEN, LAC, ATL, NYJ), NE's defense is avgeraging 107.5 rushing yds/game to opponents.  These teams aren't quite known for their rushing attacks, so there's something positive.  

With that said, McCoy hasn't gone over 100yds rushing more than 3 times this season (NYJ, OAK, LAC), and has yet to top 50yds receiving in a game this season.  In fact, McCoy is only averaging 27yds/game receiving.

Are these low numbers due to game planning?  QB play?  Without those 100yd rushing games, McCoy is closer to 48yds/game.  If I look at his more consistent rushing (48) and receiving (27) yardage, McCoy is only netting about 7.5 pts/game, which makes him TD dependent.

With NE Def on the rise, is McCoy worth a start this week?  Considering this to be a challenging game for Buffalo, and might go with someone like Collins over McCoy this week.

What are other's doing this week?
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In my non PPR league he Is RB9 for the season. I play him every week.

His usage sucks at times. His floor is better than most. He’s had some big games. I play him and cross my fingers this week and every week.

 
Peak said:
With NE Def on the rise, is McCoy worth a start this week?  Considering this to be a challenging game for Buffalo, and might go with someone like Collins over McCoy this week.

What are other's doing this week?
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“Worth a start”?  I get that he has frequently not lived up to his draft position this year, but that happens to at least half the first round every year.  In a ten team league the top 20 RBs are worth a start.  Are you saying he is not a top 20 RB this week?  He is still the rarest position in fantasy... the bell cow RB.  

I have Collins and believe he very well could outperform McCoy this week, but in a ppr league like mine, he is a much bigger risk of coming out with only 5 points on the week.  For whatever reason, they simply won’t throw Collins the ball. 

in ppr  Collins has had 3 ten point weeks this year and never more than 17 total points.  McCoy has two weeks that were not ten point weeks and four weeks more than 17 and 3 over 25 points.

 
Brisco54 said:
“Worth a start”?  I get that he has frequently not lived up to his draft position this year, but that happens to at least half the first round every year.  In a ten team league the top 20 RBs are worth a start.  Are you saying he is not a top 20 RB this week?  He is still the rarest position in fantasy... the bell cow RB.  

I have Collins and believe he very well could outperform McCoy this week, but in a ppr league like mine, he is a much bigger risk of coming out with only 5 points on the week.  For whatever reason, they simply won’t throw Collins the ball. 

in ppr  Collins has had 3 ten point weeks this year and never more than 17 total points.  McCoy has two weeks that were not ten point weeks and four weeks more than 17 and 3 over 25 points.
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In PPR, sure. But as I mentioned, I'm not in PPR. So his reception count doesn't help me. :shrug:

 
Peak said:
Are these low numbers due to game planning?  QB play? 
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It's due to the change in offense. In 2015 and 2016 the Bills were one of the top rushing attacks. It didn't matter if teams were gearing to stop them, they were still able to run the ball effectively. In comes Sean McDermott in 2017 and with him he picks Rick Dennison as his OC. Dennison switches to a Zone Blocking scheme upfront. The OL personnel was the same to start the season, and aside from Vlad Ducasse starting over John Miller (a minimal upgrade if one at all) and Dion Dawkins starting for Cordy Glenn recently, the OL has been the same for most of the season. There's really no other explanation for why they aren't running the ball as good this year as they did the previous 2 years. Dennison is an awful OC and I would hope he gets fired after this year. His playcalling is horrendous, the offense is not good, he can't utilize Tyrod's strengths, the list goes on and on. 

So in short, to answer your question, the QB play has been consistent the past 3 seasons. What isn't the same this year as the previous 2, is that the OC changed things and made the offense worse. Often times on 3rd & Long Dennison is calling a dump off play to Mike Tolbert. Why McCoy is not in there in that situation I have no idea. I've seen numerous times where McCoy wasn't in the 2 minute offense either. 

Matt Harmon of NFL.com with his Next Gen Stats posts graphics on Twitter of RBs YPC when defenders close within 1 yard of the RB. McCoy is one of the worst at it this year and was much better in previous seasons. His explanation is that McCoy is declining. When I see McCoy, I see the same guy I saw in 2015 and 2016. I don't think he's declining that significantly or our eyes would be telling us so. My theory is that the blocking and offense scheme has been so poor, that when 1 defender is within 1 yard of McCoy, there are many others right there as well. If you watch the games, he's often running into a pile of defenders. It's not 1 guy he has to beat, but a pack of them. Once and a while he will break something, but it seems that an overwhelming majority of the rushing attempts are stopped ridiculously fast. 

With that being said, I wouldn't trust anybody in the Baltimore offense. McCoy is their whole offense. I'm sure that Belichick will be gameplanning to shut him down, as he generally focuses on taking the teams best playmaker away. Zay Jones, Charles Clay and Tyrod are not going to worry him. I have no faith in this offense with Dennison at OC. Our defense has played very well at times, but this is one of those games where NE is going to get extra possessions due to terrible play calling/scheme and they're going to put up some points. Playing from behind may be advantageous to McCoy in PPR leagues as he will likely get a handful more catches in a game like this.

 
Buffalo isn’t tied to him beyond this year so I can’t wait for his release and subsequent final glory days elsewhere. I sense he will produce a final memorable hurrah

 
LeSean McCoy set a five-year low in percentage of carries from shotgun formations in 2017.

Just 17 percent of McCoy's carries came out of the 'gun, a far cry from the 83 percent he logged way back in 2013 under Chip Kelly. Partly as a result, McCoy averaged a career-worst 3.97 yards per carry. McCoy has always been an elusive in-space creator and not a physical grinder between the tackles, and shotgun runs give him more room at the handoff. The 2017 Bills offensive staff failed badly to mold their scheme to their player talents, resulting in OC Rick Dennison's post-season dismissal.

Source: Mike Clay on Twitter 

Feb 12 - 4:20 PM
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Don’t know the validity of this stat, it was shared with me by a Bills fan. But if true it not only makes sense to the eyes but also to the YPC. Buffalo was the only team without a pass play of +50 yds? I know Father Time is undefeated but stacked lines and 8+ in the box are not far behind.

 
I have McCoy in a keep 4 salary cap league for a decent price. I'm thinking I probably put him back in the auction pool. I feel like I'm better off getting out a year early then a year late. Curious to see what the other Bills roster moves entail. 

I could see him being back in the top 10 but also moving out of the top 25 RBs next year.

 
Nothing analytical here, but this is starting to feel a lot like the end of the careers of guys like LT, Shaun Alexander, etc.  Just going off memory of these guys that fell off here but it feels like these career long fantasy studs that show signs of slowing down at 29 hit the cliff pretty fast from there.

LT put up a career worst YPC at age 29 but still had solid overall fantasy stats and he was pretty much done from there.  Barely usable in his age 30 season.  Shaun Alexander put up a career worst YPC at age 29 but still had solid overall fantasy stats (albeit a little injury shortened) and he was pretty much done, not really usable in his age 30 season.  Faulk wasn't his career worst YPC at age 29 but it was his lowest by a lot after moving to the Rams and he was barely usable after that.  Similar story for Edge although he did manage to eek out one more decent fantasy season with bad efficiency at age 30.

It seems like the guys who keep on trucking into their 30's don't really show any signs of slowing down that they have to bounce back from, and McCoy seems worn down like those other guys.

I wouldn't be shocked if the cliff is here.  Not saying it necessarily is but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he struggles through 6 games at 3.3ypc before missing time with some injuries and never being fantasy relevant again.

 
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Faust said:
LeSean McCoy enters 10th season with 'more to prove'
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I saw this also.  

I think people need to realize that the rules have changed and it is going to result in players playing longer.  There is much talk about how the wheels are about to fall off Shady. I see Shady staying consistent for another year or two at the least (barring injury).  His running style helped him avoid big hits before.  It is even better in the new NFL regulatory field. 

 
they've lost 2 of their best offensive linemen, and they're rolling with AJ McCarron + Josh Allen + N. Peterman..with a tougher schedule than last year..

even if McCoy was his old self he would be hard pressed to succeed against 8 man fronts..

the line is the biggest problem here..that, and the amount of use he has had over the years.it all adds up. his ypc avg last season was the lowest of is career..and he's 30 in 2 weeks.

not sure if there's anything good about Shady's situation in 2018..

 
Hairy Snowman said:
I saw this also.  

I think people need to realize that the rules have changed and it is going to result in players playing longer.  There is much talk about how the wheels are about to fall off Shady. I see Shady staying consistent for another year or two at the least (barring injury).  His running style helped him avoid big hits before.  It is even better in the new NFL regulatory field. 
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The biggest thing is people slow down a bit at that age. I really don't see the rule changes having much if any affect on RBS either way.

 
That's... Not good. If true, why the hell didn't she report when it was child abuse over wetting the bed?

ETA- not saying it's not true, I just have no idea why you wouldn't report that.

 
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So from reading twitter his wife’s friend posted that and said it happened this morning.  Guess we will know for sure real soon.  

 
McCoy says he hasn't even had any contact with any of the people for months (in addition to denying all of it).  

I am going to go with the guy with a track record of not being "shady" off the field until there is some kind of evidence to the contrary.  Too many shake downs for NFL players to not wait and see.  

 
Hairy Snowman said:
McCoy says he hasn't even had any contact with any of the people for months (in addition to denying all of it).  

I am going to go with the guy with a track record of not being "shady" off the field until there is some kind of evidence to the contrary.  Too many shake downs for NFL players to not wait and see.  
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Pretty elaborate hoax on the part of the victim.  Those photographs are disturbing.

 
Grahamburn said:
Pretty elaborate hoax on the part of the victim.  Those photographs are disturbing.
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"UPDATE: A woman named Cicely Billups seems to infer that LeSean McCoy sent “dudes” into Delicia Cordon’s residence to “pistol whip & rob” Ms. Cordon."

So now it isn't McCoy, but a group of guys that beat her?  And robbed her?

https://bustedcoverage.com/2018/07/10/lesean-mccoy-girlfriend-delicia-cordon-beating-photos/

EDIT TO ADD: It doesn't sound like the victim is the one making the accusations.

 
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This guy is not the friendliest in public with signings and even just out and about. I would not be surprised if this turned out to be true.
I would also not be surprised if this was a shakedown. Either way. It makes for some interesting news on an otherwise slow news week! :popcorn:  

On a side note, does anyone think asking McCoy to sign with an inscription "shady" is racist? Apparently McCoy does. 

 
If true, sure you got to bump up Ivory, but I'd start to wonder if he might get replaced by Demarco again.

Even if not true or proved to be true, as we all know, that does not mean he'll avoid suspension.

 
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