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Let's break down the rush defense team by team (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

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Let’s take a look at the rush defenses around the league and try and figure out if what teams will remain good against the rush and what teams might take a step or two back or possibly improve because of free agency and whatnot. I’ll simply go in order of last year.

1. Minnesota: Allowed 61 yds rush per game, 9 rush TD, only a 2.8 yd per carry avg against the opposition. Quite frankly they have a pair of DT in Pat and Kevin Williams that are simply just too tough to run straight into. I would not say they could absolutely duplicate the same stats as last season but they do have a nice running game developing on offense too…AP and Chester are going to carry the ball a lot…ball control can keep a good run stuffing defense fresh…I will be looking to bet the under a lot with Minnesota this season.

2. Baltimore: Allowed just under 76 yds a game, only 5 rushing TD, and 4 times the opposition broke a run of 20+ yds…frightening. They did lose Adalius Thomas but this defense is still pretty loaded. Maybe they give up a little more on the ground but this is still one of the harder teams to run against, has been that way for a long time.

3. Pittsburgh: 88 yds a game, 9 rushing TD, 3.5 yds per carry…I might think the Steelers slip just a bit this season. Cowher brought an intensity to that defense to always make them a top 10 rush defense, I still think they will be tough…but maybe not quite as fearsome as in years past.

4. Jacksonville: 91 yds a game, 14 TDs, 3.5 yds per attempt. Henderson and Stroud are really a force for teams to try and run around. They add Reggie Nelson and ILB Justin Durant in the 1st and 2nd round…they are only going to get stronger. I would pencil them in as one of those 5-10 teams you don’t want to roll your RB out against on a weekly basis…they did give away a lot of rush TD but that might change this year.

5. New England: 94 yds a game, 11 rush TD, only 6 runs of 20+ yds on them all season…and they signed Adalius Thomas to add to their LB core. Look the pAts are going to make a run at their 4th Lombardi Trophy this year, the rush defense should be as good as last season. Wilfolk, Seymour, and Ty Warren anchor possibly the best DL in a 3-4 in the NFL. They drafted Merriweather who will improve the secondary and help out a lot in run support…this is a fully loaded team and I expect big things from just about every unit they field. This is no different. Probably have a chance to be the #1 rush defense this season.

6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.

7. San Diego: 100 yds a game, 13 rushing TDs, 4.2 yds per carry. Now SD had a rash of inuries to their LB corp last season, and some other off filed shenanigans too. I would say this is a team that could be better on defense BUT they lost Schottenheimer and Wade Phillips…I am not optimistic they actually shut the run down any better than before even with Merriman playing the whole season and Philips healthy…this team might have a problem with finding their soul in some of the closer games they could be in. And the best way to keep LT off the field is to go on long sustained drives if you are the opposing team. Just some food for thought. I would not put SD in my top10 for the moment.

8. Miami: 101 yds a game, 3.5 ypc, 7 rush TD. They should be good against the run. They managed to bring Zach Thomas some help with the signing of Jerry Porter, they resigned AARP eligible Keith Traylor to come back and play, they should be OK against the run.

9. Atlanta: 103 yds per game, 3.7 ypc, 14 rush TD, and 97 FD given up via the run. 1st stats were promising, the 2nd two not as good. Losing Kearney might hurt. Did draft Jamaal Anderson but he will need some time to develop at the NFL level. If Vick misses any time and that offense takes the field with Harrington…oh my holy god! I just think they did a fairly nice job against the run last season but this isn’t a powerhouse yet. Not top10 material IMO.

10. Dallas: 3.9 ypc, and only 5 runs of 20+ yds given up on defense. 103 yds per game. I would bet Wade Phillips is going to make this defense actually improve. They have the 3-4 like what he came from in San Diego and they have a pretty good talent pool in place. They drafted Anthony Spencer who I like a lot in this 3-4 from Purdue. One of the reasons I think Dallas will play “looser” on offense this season will be the play of their defense especially against the run. They would be listed in my top10 and one of the team I wouldn’t be excited about my RB facing.

11. Carolina: 108 yds a game, 3.9 ypc, 10 rush TD. They just didn’t get it done last season. Maybe it was Dan Morgan being out but they have fixed this problem with the addition of Beason thru the draft. No big signings on defense to speak of but I do think this unit will play better than last season. In 2005 they had the 4th toughest rush defense in terms of yds per game…there is reason to think they could get back to that level.

12. Denver: 113 yds per game, 13 rush TD, and 4.1 ypc. Nothing too special on defense but they have overhauled their DL and drafted Moss, Crowder, and Thomas to revamp things upfront. Alvin McKinley was signed to a 4 year deal, no one has probably heard of him but the fact they signed him to 4 years…not the 1 year type contracts that so many players get in the off season…they plan on using him. Al Wilson is gone. Denver was 2nd in 2005, 4th in 2004, 7th in 2003…the team is usually hard to run on. Of course the flip side of that coin is do you really want to stand back and throw darts at Champ Bailey and Dre Bly??? Could be one of the top defenses to reckon with both by land and by air this season.

13. Green Bay: 114 yds a game, 12 TD, 4.1 ypc. They did draft Justin Harrell to anchor their DL…he should be pretty good. They are just sort of meh to me on defense. I still am one of those people that feels like GB has perhaps worst collection of talent along with about 4-5 other teams…they just don’t have it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the bottom 10 this season on rush defense mainly because they don’t have a running game to pseak of on offense. Tired defenses get run on in the 2nd half of football games. I would say they slip a few notches this year.

14. New York Giants: 114 yds a game 19 BIG TDs, 4.0 ypc. The G-Men are going to suffer from that rush attack I spoke above with the GB Packers. I think the Giants will be a mess this season and while I might not be inclined to rank them bottom 10, I don’t see where they will be leaps and bounds better on rush defense. No splash at free agency that I can see either…nothing in the 1st two rounds of the draft.

15. Cincinnati: 116 yds per game, 15 rush TDs, and 4.2 ypc. Teams should just run on the Bengals as much as humanly possible. They aren’t the worst by a longshot but they don’t exactly shut teams down either. Gotta keep Palmer/Cj/Housh off the field…you would think teams might know that by now. Cinci was pretty bad in ’03, and ’04, got better in ’05, a little better in ’06…they could continue on that path. I don’t see any reason Cinci will be better this season, probably middle of the road.

16. Arizona: 118 yds a game, 4.1 ypc, only 9 runs of 20+ yds. I see Arizona as a team on the rise. There are several reasons for this but the biggest stands 6 foot 6 and weighs 330 lbs, I’m talking about Alan Branch. He will give them an identity on defense they have sorely been lacking. I also feel the new coach will emphasize defense and good fundamental run blocking which will keep the defense a lot fresher. They have had some quiet but decent signings as well this off season. I am going out on a limb and declaring Arizona as a possible vault into the top10 for rush defenses this season. Lookout!

17. Tampa Bay: 119 yds a game, 3.9 ypc, 108 FD given up via the run. They are trying…got rid of Booger, traded to bring in Ryan Sims, former high pick from KC. Got Cato June but he comes from a poor rush defense. Kevin Carter was brought in. Look, Monte Kiffin is capable of anything with a defense but I just think they have some big holes still to fill. And I think Gaines Adams will be looked back on in 2-3 seasons and leave fans really unhappy with taking him at #4 in the draft. We’ll see. No reason to think the Bucs jump back up into the top10 IMO this year.

18. Kansas City: 120 yds per game, 4.2 ypc, 14 rush TD. I was set to bury the Chiefs on rush defense…however, they at least took action to try and turn things around and you need to recognize that. Napolean Harris and Donnie Edwards were each signed to multi-year deals at LB and should be nice playing alongside Derrick Johnson. What else you say? How bout signing Alfonso Boone and Ron Edwards to 4 year contracts each in March. Boone is a 320 lb DT/DE that played as a reserve in Chicago for many years…hard to get playing time behind Tommie Harris. Edwards is part of a rotation they used last season. They also drafted Turk McBride from Tenn in round 2, has a lot of potential. Also drafted DeMarcus Tyler from NCState who played alongside Mario Williams and John McCargo to form one of the most fearsome DL in college football in 2005. There are signs that Edwards will make this team better against the run…but they will need time to develop so for now KC is middle of the road.

19. San Francisco: 121 yds a game, 4.1 ypc, and 18 rush TDs. The drafting of Willis is going to put a stop to some of these great run stats players rack up against them but they are still a year away and probably a DT too from being a contender for top10 as a rush defense. Certainly the development of their offense and ability to keep the defense off the field will help. Better but not there yet.

20. Houston: 122 yds a game, 4.4 ypc, 16 rush TD. Two words...Amobi Okoye…he will anchor the middle of that DL and dramatically make this rush defense a lot better. Top10? Maybe not his 1st season but this is a team on the move upwards not down. Shouldn’t be as bad this season.

21. Detroit: 125yds a game, 18 rush TD, 4.1 ypc. Shaun Rogers makes this team a lot better against the run. If he is healthy they will be at least middle of the road if not better…as long as Martz and Co don’t score too fast on offense…who am I kidding, the Lions defense will be on the field all day. Seriously though, St Louis always struggled against the run when Martz was zinging it all over the place…teams get tired. And seeing how teams will try and keep Detroit off the field it is likely they will be run on a lot.

22. Seattle: 126 yds a game, 4.6 ypc(ouch), and 12 rush TD. They were top5 in 2005, Tatupu and Julian Peterson…this was supposed to be a tough team to run on…nothing could be further from the truth last season. I would think they could rebound to being respectable…the rushing game on offense went in the tank…any correlation between the two? I’ll let you decide.

23. New Orleans: 128 yds a game, 4.9 ypc(Yikes!), and 10 rush TD. They re-signed old goat Hollis Thomas, brought in Brian Simmons, but they didn’t address anything in the draft and I don’t see where they have upgraded the rushing defense at all really. And because they have a pretty good offense teams are going to run right at them. They could actually get worse. 27th in 2005, 30th in 2004, I think they may take a step back this season.

24. New York Jets: 130 yds a game, 4.6 ypc, 14 rush TD, only 20+ yd gains(6). Sort of a bend don’t break type defense. Mangini didn’t address too much, they did draft David Harris, ILB from Michigan but he is not going to suddenly make them a top10 rush defense. Now a better rushing game on offense will improve things some. They had a lot of trouble moving the sticks last season by way of the ground game so look for that to take some pressure off this rush defense. Could climb out of the bottom 10.

25. Oakland: 134 yds a game, 4.0 ypc(good for being so low ranked), 15 rush TD. I will simply say this. I expect the Raiders to be improved on offense but I think the defense will take a step back on their rush defense. 25th last year, 25th in 2005, 32nd in 2003…they haven’t got this thing turned around and now they bring in a guy that is more offensive minded. Fine but I feel like this defense will start to suffer against the run more. You don’t have to agree but I think they remain in the bottom 10 again…they didn’t address it thru FA or the Draft and there are lots of teams that are on the rise that they would have to leapfrog.

26. Philadelphia: 136 yds a game, 4.5 ypc, 12 Rush TD. 126 first downs they gave up on the ground…not very good in short yardage situations on defense. This team is an enigma to me. I have to think McNabb back under center is going to help them. Westbrook and the entire rush offense was pretty solid last season but that didn’t help. Montae Reagor was brought in, maybe that will help. No big signings/draft picks…they haven’t been a top10 rush defense in the last 4 years…also never were in the bottom 10 either. Maybe they can rise back to the middle tier.

27. Washington: 137 yds a game, 4.5 ypc, but only 9 rush TD. I have to think that they can be a lot better this season. Drafted Landry to team up with Sean Taylor and they also brought in London Fletcher. My problem is their DL is pretty stinko so if the DT can’t gobble up space/2 men, then you don’t get the LB loose to clean up against the run. They will be better, how much? We’ll see.

28. Buffalo: 140 yds a game, 4.7 ypc, 14 rush TD. They lost Fletcher, Clements, they are going to be really pressed to not remain in the bottom 5, seriously. In fact I will be looking at them as a target during the playoffs.

29. Cleveland: 142 yds a game, 4.4 ypc, 14 rush TD. Hear me out…they are going to be better this year. The OL is the key. The Browns will have some sort of solid ground game to move the ball. This will keep the defense fresher and allow them to play better. I think they will still be in the bottom 10 but probably more like 22-24th instead of 29th and 30th like they have been. You still don’t mind starting a RB against them but I see some marked improvement that will come along with a much better OL for the offense to operate behind.

30. Tennessee: 144 yds a game, 4.6 ypc, and 20 BIG TDs. Strong candidate to remain in the bottom 5-10 this season. Have done nothing to keep up with other teams that are improving themselves thru the draft and FA.

31. St.Louis: 145 yds a game, 4.9 ypc, 21 BIG TDs. As long as their offense is on all cylinders they likely will remain down here as teams will desperately try and run the football to keep their offense off the field. Bottom 10 3 years running, should continue this season unless they plug it up at DT…the trade for Jenkins would have been sweet for them.

32. Indianapolis: 173 yds a game, 5.3 ypc, and 20 Rush TD…and 1 Lombardi Trophy. They showed us didn’t they? They have lost a lot of nice players but they had a good draft. Some people think a full season of Booger will help but I think they are destined to be in the bottom 5-10 again as much like St Louis, teams will try to run the ball and keep them off the field.

So let’s land the plane here a bit. Obviously I need the board feedback to help fill in some of the gaps. But here is likely our top10 rush defenses.

Minnesota

Baltimore

Jacksonville

New England

Miami...I could move them out of the top10

Dallas

Denver

Arizona...I know this is a hard pill to swallow for some

Chicago

Carolina

Just on the outside

San Diego...still pretty good

San Fran...getting there

Kansas City...A for effort

Pittsburgh...I understand why some balk at this

Houston...much much better...maybe they move into the top10

Bottom 10

Indy

St Louis

New Orleans

Oakland

Buffalo

Detroit

New York Giants

Cincinnati

Philadelphia

Green Bay

Cleveland...I have 11 teams now

You know where we are going with this. We are looking for the RB with the softest run schedule and sometimes it is dangerous to assume all teams that were bad the year before remain that way. I do think there are surprises every year but they get countered by a team that runs the other way. For every team that turns out a stinker, you get a surprise team that actually can stop the run…so I still put a decent amount of stock in Strength of Schedule.

This thread is hopefully my mulligan from yeasterday. I still think what I put up in the "Wasted Time" thread has its merits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :goodposting:

 
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21. Detroit: 125yds a game, 18 rush TD, 4.1 ypc. Shaun Rogers makes this team a lot better against the run. If he is healthy they will be at least middle of the road if not better…as long as Martz and Co don’t score too fast on offense…who am I kidding, the Lions defense will be on the field all day. Seriously though, St Louis always struggled against the run when Martz was zinging it all over the place…teams get tired. And seeing how teams will try and keep Detroit off the field it is likely they will be run on a lot.
IMO, I don't think teams are going to run on my Lions very much this year. The run defense will be about average, but the pass defense is going to be so incomprehensibly bad that teams are going to throw, throw, throw, even when they have the lead.
 
21. Detroit: 125yds a game, 18 rush TD, 4.1 ypc. Shaun Rogers makes this team a lot better against the run. If he is healthy they will be at least middle of the road if not better…as long as Martz and Co don’t score too fast on offense…who am I kidding, the Lions defense will be on the field all day. Seriously though, St Louis always struggled against the run when Martz was zinging it all over the place…teams get tired. And seeing how teams will try and keep Detroit off the field it is likely they will be run on a lot.
IMO, I don't think teams are going to run on my Lions very much this year. The run defense will be about average, but the pass defense is going to be so incomprehensibly bad that teams are going to throw, throw, throw, even when they have the lead.
That's a really good point. And teams will need to throw to keep up with Detroit...dear god if teams try and keep up in a track meet with the Lions every week...the passing numbers for Kitna, Williams, and Calvin Johnson is incomprehensible.
 
The Packers weakness last year was KGB, the safety position, & OLB. After KBG was benched it improved considerably. Harrell should help but the key will be at safety and outside LB. If either a rookie or someone from injured reserve step in either of both of those positions the Packers could be very strong against the run.

If no one steps up then they will still be better than last year without KJB playing the 1st two downs.

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Hard to gauge the Vikings. They were very strong against the run but also very bad against the pass. This inflated there run numbers quite a bit but they are still very strong against the run. If they improve their pass defense they their run defense will drop slightly. Its still definitely one of the best in the NFL though.

 
26. Philadelphia: 136 yds a game, 4.5 ypc, 12 Rush TD. 126 first downs they gave up on the ground…not very good in short yardage situations on defense. This team is an enigma to me. I have to think McNabb back under center is going to help them. Westbrook and the entire rush offense was pretty solid last season but that didn’t help. Montae Reagor was brought in, maybe that will help. No big signings/draft picks…they haven’t been a top10 rush defense in the last 4 years…also never were in the bottom 10 either. Maybe they can rise back to the middle tier.
Maybe nothing earth-shattering but there will be several changes.They might have 3 new starting LBs from last year because of their inability to stop the run. Dhani Jones is thankfully gone. Takeo Spikes might not be the dominant player he should still be an upgrade at WLB. Chris Gocong, the '06 third rounder is being handed the SLB job with this year's 3rd rounder Stewart Bradley backing him up. Omar Gaither is backing up Trotter at MLB and might end up pressing for the job. At the very least Gaither should be giving Trotter's knees a spell.

Also, another signing to help the run D was Ian Scott from the Bears. Darwin Walker and Sam Rayburn are out at DT and Scott and Raegor are in.

I think the Eagles run D will improve to the 15-20 slot somewhere. Also, the Eagles lost their nickel back from last year and teams might try to go 3-wide on them and spread them out more.

 
4. Jacksonville: 91 yds a game, 14 TDs, 3.5 yds per attempt. Henderson and Stroud are really a force for teams to try and run around. They add Reggie Nelson and ILB Justin Durant in the 1st and 2nd round…they are only going to get stronger. I would pencil them in as one of those 5-10 teams you don’t want to roll your RB out against on a weekly basis…they did give away a lot of rush TD but that might change this year.
If the Jags can get any increases in the passing game from their new offensive system, they could be a Top 3 defense. The defense was dominant at times last year, but the offense kept the opposition in the game too often last year. The Jags only had 17 passing TD last year and were ranked 24th in passing yards.Don't forget the Jags were also missing Mike Peterson and Reggie hayward for most of last year. Peterson is back but Hayward still needs more time.
 
San Diego, KC, and Denver are three fairly dominant rushing offenses. The three defenses of those teams have to play the other two teams 4 times a year. Oakland is stuck playing six games against them. The actual rush defense of the AFC West teams should be bumped up a bit. Just something to keep in mind when looking at the numbers to determine matchups.

 
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If anything the SD rush defense improves with the addition of Wilhelm and Cooper replacing the aging vets at the 2 ILB spots this year.

 
4. Jacksonville: 91 yds a game, 14 TDs, 3.5 yds per attempt. Henderson and Stroud are really a force for teams to try and run around. They add Reggie Nelson and ILB Justin Durant in the 1st and 2nd round…they are only going to get stronger. I would pencil them in as one of those 5-10 teams you don’t want to roll your RB out against on a weekly basis…they did give away a lot of rush TD but that might change this year.
If the Jags can get any increases in the passing game from their new offensive system, they could be a Top 3 defense. The defense was dominant at times last year, but the offense kept the opposition in the game too often last year. The Jags only had 17 passing TD last year and were ranked 24th in passing yards.Don't forget the Jags were also missing Mike Peterson and Reggie hayward for most of last year. Peterson is back but Hayward still needs more time.
This one might make you chuckle but I believe it's HUGE and it's one of those little things that won't show up in the def. stats - Rookie punter Adam Podlesh. In 2006 the Jags sat at dead-last in the NFL in net-punting average. Short punts set up short fields, short fields set up patient, "take what they give us" opposing offenses. It's that simple. This is a unit that ranked third in the league last season, despite losing its best pass rusher (Reggie Hayward), starting middle linebacker (Mike Peterson), starting weak-side linebacker (Pat Thomas) and starting strong safety (Donovin Darius) for most of the season. Those four are all expected back healthy in 2007. Coordinator Mike Smith is the most-underrated coach in the league. Mix in a punting unit that now will be to SOME degree better than dead last in the league!?! Jacksonville could be downright spooky playing on a short field this year!
 
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4. Jacksonville: 91 yds a game, 14 TDs, 3.5 yds per attempt. Henderson and Stroud are really a force for teams to try and run around. They add Reggie Nelson and ILB Justin Durant in the 1st and 2nd round…they are only going to get stronger. I would pencil them in as one of those 5-10 teams you don’t want to roll your RB out against on a weekly basis…they did give away a lot of rush TD but that might change this year.
If the Jags can get any increases in the passing game from their new offensive system, they could be a Top 3 defense. The defense was dominant at times last year, but the offense kept the opposition in the game too often last year. The Jags only had 17 passing TD last year and were ranked 24th in passing yards.Don't forget the Jags were also missing Mike Peterson and Reggie hayward for most of last year. Peterson is back but Hayward still needs more time.
What part of my post didn't indicate they were/could be all of that?
 
I am pretty disappointed so far...I get a much bigger reaction when I just provoke instead of thought provoke as Pasquino eluded to yesterday.

 
JaxBill said:
26. Philadelphia: 136 yds a game, 4.5 ypc, 12 Rush TD. 126 first downs they gave up on the ground…not very good in short yardage situations on defense. This team is an enigma to me. I have to think McNabb back under center is going to help them. Westbrook and the entire rush offense was pretty solid last season but that didn’t help. Montae Reagor was brought in, maybe that will help. No big signings/draft picks…they haven’t been a top10 rush defense in the last 4 years…also never were in the bottom 10 either. Maybe they can rise back to the middle tier.
Maybe nothing earth-shattering but there will be several changes.They might have 3 new starting LBs from last year because of their inability to stop the run. Dhani Jones is thankfully gone. Takeo Spikes might not be the dominant player he should still be an upgrade at WLB. Chris Gocong, the '06 third rounder is being handed the SLB job with this year's 3rd rounder Stewart Bradley backing him up. Omar Gaither is backing up Trotter at MLB and might end up pressing for the job. At the very least Gaither should be giving Trotter's knees a spell.

Also, another signing to help the run D was Ian Scott from the Bears. Darwin Walker and Sam Rayburn are out at DT and Scott and Raegor are in.

I think the Eagles run D will improve to the 15-20 slot somewhere. Also, the Eagles lost their nickel back from last year and teams might try to go 3-wide on them and spread them out more.
One point worth noting is that Bunkley should be one of the starting DTs this year since he has his head on straight this offseason. That should also help the run D a bit.
 
I would swith Dal and Miami for the reasons you stated Wade will help improve an already good defense. Cameron was brought in to help the offense but the defense will suffer some.

I disagree with Arizona but not because of their past history. Their defense should improve but they have 6 games against Gore, SJ, and SA. That by itself will inflate their numbers so I would drop them out of the top 10. The same could be said about Denver against LT and LJ.

Other than that I love the post.

 
I would swith Dal and Miami for the reasons you stated Wade will help improve an already good defense. Cameron was brought in to help the offense but the defense will suffer some.I disagree with Arizona but not because of their past history. Their defense should improve but they have 6 games against Gore, SJ, and SA. That by itself will inflate their numbers so I would drop them out of the top 10. The same could be said about Denver against LT and LJ.Other than that I love the post.
But Denver has been a top10 rush defense in 2005, 204 and 2003...and LT and the Chiefs run attack were pretty sound all of those years.
 
Of course, I'm a homer, but I can't see the Steelers run D suddenly making a precipitous drop out of the top 10. I couldn't find (didn't try that hard) to find run defense ranks going back a long way, but the last time a Steelers defense finished outside the top 10 in overall defense was 1992, and they're typically stronger against the run than the pass. I'd bet it's probably been that long since a Pittsburgh D finished outside the top 10 in rushing.

Now, Cowher was the coach all those years, and his loss is sure to be felt. However, you neglected to mention that his successor is Mike Tomlin, who was the coordinator of the Minnesota defense that ranks #1 on this list, and IIRC, set the NFL record for lowest yds against (or ypc against, I forget which.) Thus, I can't imagine that the coaching change is going to present that much of a drop-off. Add to this the fact that LeBeau stayed on as defensive coordinator and the loss of Cowher should be felt far less here than you seem to think.

Also, the only personnel change between last year's defense and this years is the replacement of Joey Porter with James Harrison at OLB. In the Steelers' zone-blitz scheme, the OLB is primarily a pass rusher, so the loss in terms of run support is far less than it would be in a more typical defense. In terms of straight run defense, there is virtually no turnover between this year and last.

Finally, assuming that the new Steelers offense is going to feature more passing, meaning more time on the field for the defense, I'll believe it when I see it. People have mistaken Arians' remarks that he wants to use more 4 receiver sets with the QB under center to mean that the offense will be much more pass-happy this year. I don't see it. The Steelers used plenty of 4-wide last year, they just typically did it on 3rd down, and with Roethlisberger in the gun. Tomlin is the coach and he has already said that he plans to "win by attrition," referring to running the ball and stopping the run. He said that was the Steelers identity and is a formula he's comfortable with. So, I don't see the defense being on the field more than last year. Hell, last year, the offense was turning the ball over at a remarkable rate, and they still finished #3 against the run. If anything, I would expect their time of possession numbers to go UP this year, rather than down.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
27. Washington: 137 yds a game, 4.5 ypc, but only 9 rush TD. I have to think that they can be a lot better this season. Drafted Landry to team up with Sean Taylor and they also brought in London Fletcher. My problem is their DL is pretty stinko so if the DT can’t gobble up space/2 men, then you don’t get the LB loose to clean up against the run. They will be better, how much? We’ll see.

erits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :excited:
Perfectly fair. You may be a bit charitable not to have them in the bottom 10, as the omission of them assumes a more than five spot improvement in the rankings, which I'm skeptical of. I love the Fletcher signing and Landry figures to round into form as a good SS, but if good health alone doesn't solve their D-line problems, they may be in for a long season against rushing teams.
 
22. Seattle: 126 yds a game, 4.6 ypc(ouch), and 12 rush TD. They were top5 in 2005, Tatupu and Julian Peterson…this was supposed to be a tough team to run on…nothing could be further from the truth last season. I would think they could rebound to being respectable…the rushing game on offense went in the tank…any correlation between the two? I’ll let you decide.
No doubt the offensive (in both meanings of the word) injuries were in part to blame for the D's downslide. Can't really game plan for all those probowlers going down. Walter Jones was the only O player to start every game. The line was hardly ever the same week to week, SA was down and/or ineefective as a result. hass was down, points were down etc. Teams didn't have to outgun us as much last season. Sophomore slump for Lofa? Maybe. Injuries to the DL, Terrill, Wistrom and especially Tubbs, kept the anchors shifting and the best run stuffer on the sideline. A recovered Tubbs will definitely boost them. And the injuries to the secondary kept us from loading up the front line. Peterson and Tatupu were often in coverage due to those injuries as well as lackluster (read: ####ty) play from safeties. The depth of the secondary has been addressed so even if injuries hit again there should be bodies aplenty. However they are still missing depth of big men for the middle.Every year ther are 2 or 3 teams that are just hit harder with injuries than most others and last year was the Hawks turn. While cracking the top ten is attainable but unlikely with their schedule, I see them breaking into the top half of the league at the least.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
5. New England: 94 yds a game, 11 rush TD, only 6 runs of 20+ yds on them all season…and they signed Adalius Thomas to add to their LB core. Look the pAts are going to make a run at their 4th Lombardi Trophy this year, the rush defense should be as good as last season. Wilfolk, Seymour, and Ty Warren anchor possibly the best DL in a 3-4 in the NFL. They drafted Merriweather who will improve the secondary and help out a lot in run support…this is a fully loaded team and I expect big things from just about every unit they field. This is no different. Probably have a chance to be the #1 rush defense this season.
Don't forget two things:1. The re-signing of Seau. Yes, he's at the end of his career, but he was surprisingly solid last year playing inside before he got hurt. Once they signed Adalius, my main concern was depth behind Bruschi and Vrabel, and Seau provides that depth. In general I agree with your assessment of the NE defense - they were very good this year and really they only got better this off-season. The DL is deep and extremely good, the LB's are obviously improved, as is the secondary with the addition of Merriweather (assuming Samuel plays out this year).

2. The loss of Tuly Banta-Cain. Just kidding.

 
Of course, I'm a homer, but I can't see the Steelers run D suddenly making a precipitous drop out of the top 10. I couldn't find (didn't try that hard) to find run defense ranks going back a long way, but the last time a Steelers defense finished outside the top 10 in overall defense was 1992, and they're typically stronger against the run than the pass. I'd bet it's probably been that long since a Pittsburgh D finished outside the top 10 in rushing.Now, Cowher was the coach all those years, and his loss is sure to be felt. However, you neglected to mention that his successor is Mike Tomlin, who was the coordinator of the Minnesota defense that ranks #1 on this list, and IIRC, set the NFL record for lowest yds against (or ypc against, I forget which.) Thus, I can't imagine that the coaching change is going to present that much of a drop-off. Add to this the fact that LeBeau stayed on as defensive coordinator and the loss of Cowher should be felt far less here than you seem to think.Also, the only personnel change between last year's defense and this years is the replacement of Joey Porter with James Harrison at OLB. In the Steelers' zone-blitz scheme, the OLB is primarily a pass rusher, so the loss in terms of run support is far less than it would be in a more typical defense. In terms of straight run defense, there is virtually no turnover between this year and last.Finally, assuming that the new Steelers offense is going to feature more passing, meaning more time on the field for the defense, I'll believe it when I see it. People have mistaken Arians' remarks that he wants to use more 4 receiver sets with the QB under center to mean that the offense will be much more pass-happy this year. I don't see it. The Steelers used plenty of 4-wide last year, they just typically did it on 3rd down, and with Roethlisberger in the gun. Tomlin is the coach and he has already said that he plans to "win by attrition," referring to running the ball and stopping the run. He said that was the Steelers identity and is a formula he's comfortable with. So, I don't see the defense being on the field more than last year. Hell, last year, the offense was turning the ball over at a remarkable rate, and they still finished #3 against the run. If anything, I would expect their time of possession numbers to go UP this year, rather than down.
That blinking scowling avatar you have has a lot to do with their success. Tomlin might have been the defensive guy in Minnesota but they had a couple of hogs in the middle of that DL with Pat and Kevin Williams...also a 4-3...now he has to work within a 3-4, gonna be a bit different for Tomlin. I wouldn't just throw out the leaving of a HoF coach for a 1st year guy and assume there will be no downside to it. And I am not saying they fall into the bottom of the league...just possibly outside the top10 in rush defense.
 
Of course, I'm a homer, but I can't see the Steelers run D suddenly making a precipitous drop out of the top 10. I couldn't find (didn't try that hard) to find run defense ranks going back a long way, but the last time a Steelers defense finished outside the top 10 in overall defense was 1992, and they're typically stronger against the run than the pass. I'd bet it's probably been that long since a Pittsburgh D finished outside the top 10 in rushing.Now, Cowher was the coach all those years, and his loss is sure to be felt. However, you neglected to mention that his successor is Mike Tomlin, who was the coordinator of the Minnesota defense that ranks #1 on this list, and IIRC, set the NFL record for lowest yds against (or ypc against, I forget which.) Thus, I can't imagine that the coaching change is going to present that much of a drop-off. Add to this the fact that LeBeau stayed on as defensive coordinator and the loss of Cowher should be felt far less here than you seem to think.Also, the only personnel change between last year's defense and this years is the replacement of Joey Porter with James Harrison at OLB. In the Steelers' zone-blitz scheme, the OLB is primarily a pass rusher, so the loss in terms of run support is far less than it would be in a more typical defense. In terms of straight run defense, there is virtually no turnover between this year and last.Finally, assuming that the new Steelers offense is going to feature more passing, meaning more time on the field for the defense, I'll believe it when I see it. People have mistaken Arians' remarks that he wants to use more 4 receiver sets with the QB under center to mean that the offense will be much more pass-happy this year. I don't see it. The Steelers used plenty of 4-wide last year, they just typically did it on 3rd down, and with Roethlisberger in the gun. Tomlin is the coach and he has already said that he plans to "win by attrition," referring to running the ball and stopping the run. He said that was the Steelers identity and is a formula he's comfortable with. So, I don't see the defense being on the field more than last year. Hell, last year, the offense was turning the ball over at a remarkable rate, and they still finished #3 against the run. If anything, I would expect their time of possession numbers to go UP this year, rather than down.
That blinking scowling avatar you have has a lot to do with their success. Tomlin might have been the defensive guy in Minnesota but they had a couple of hogs in the middle of that DL with Pat and Kevin Williams...also a 4-3...now he has to work within a 3-4, gonna be a bit different for Tomlin. I wouldn't just throw out the leaving of a HoF coach for a 1st year guy and assume there will be no downside to it. And I am not saying they fall into the bottom of the league...just possibly outside the top10 in rush defense.
What you're ignoring is that they have virtually the same personnel, the same d-coordinator, and the same scheme that has put them in the top 10 for like 15 straight years. That wasn't all Cowher, much as I love the guy.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Ministry of Pain said:
32. Indianapolis: 173 yds a game, 5.3 ypc, and 20 Rush TD…and 1 Lombardi Trophy. They showed us didn’t they? They have lost a lot of nice players but they had a good draft. Some people think a full season of Booger will help but I think they are destined to be in the bottom 5-10 again as much like St Louis, teams will try to run the ball and keep them off the field.
Their performance in the playoffs: 4 games 331 yards - 82.8 yards per game. Second best and they kept it for four games. Teams ran at them average 20 times per game - less than any other team on average.They held Larry Johnson to 32 yards, Jamal Lewis to 53, Corey Dillon to 48 and then Thomas Jones was the only one to get over 100 - with 112.

Think they just forgot?

 
Ministry of Pain said:
This thread is hopefully my mulligan from yeasterday. I still think what I put up in the "Wasted Time" thread has its merits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :own3d:
Why waste time presenting facts for objective discussion and analysis when those facts will be discared for opinion anyways?Based on your statements in the other thread yesterday you might as well just rank the top 5 run defenses and the 5 worst defenses for modifying RB rankings (which only a handful of RB matter anyways) by SOS good or bad. Everything else is a waste of time.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
This thread is hopefully my mulligan from yeasterday. I still think what I put up in the "Wasted Time" thread has its merits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :wall:
Why waste time presenting facts for objective discussion and analysis when those facts will be discared for opinion anyways?Based on your statements in the other thread yesterday you might as well just rank the top 5 run defenses and the 5 worst defenses for modifying RB rankings (which only a handful of RB matter anyways) by SOS good or bad. Everything else is a waste of time.
Everyone has a bad day Bia...and that thread sparked a lot more replies than this one so far...almost 3:1
 
1. Minnesota: The def is just as good as last year and the offense will control the ball even better. They stay #1, but NE could steal the spot.

2. New England: Add Adalius Thomas to a fantastic defense and the offensive upgrades that are gonna make teams play from behind and this could be the #1 defense..

3. Jacksonville: Add Reggie Nelson and ILB Justin Durant to a run def that was already great. Their offense is gonna control the ball as well. They steal the #3 spot.

4. Carolina: Improvement in the offense will mean a defense that reclaims its 2005 #4 spot.

5. Baltimore: The defense is still great even though they lost Thomas. I think the offense will take a step back this year though. McGahee is not gonna be the plow horse on 3rd and 2 that Lewis was. McNair is starting to show that his age is catching up to him.

6. Chicago: I think they'll at least do as well as last year

7. San Diego: I think they hover around this spot for a year and then spike up or down depending on coaching.

8. Dallas: Wade Phillips takes a good defense to the next level

9. Pittsburgh: Still a pretty good defense, but transition sucks.

10. Miami: I'd put them in the top 5 if I had faith in the offense.

11. Arizona: I think Branch will make this much of a difference.

12. Kansas City: I think everybody underestimates the additions they made on defense. The O-line is the only thing holding me back from ranking them higher.

13. Houston: They shoot up the charts this year.

14. Cleveland: I'm a homer, but I honestly believe they shoot up this far. The d-line looks both solid and deep and the lb corp is fantastic.

15. San Francisco: I think they are on the right track, middle of the pack this year.

16. Denver: They reshuffled but they still have bad cards.

17. Philadelphia: They didn't do much to help it in the off-season. McNabb being healthy justifies the upgrade though.

18. Detroit: defense is improved, but teams may run on them like Indy.

19. Tampa Bay: They are getting better, they just need another year to gel.

20. Green Bay: defense got better, but running game got worse.

21. New York Giants: see GB above.

22. Seattle: SA being healthy helps them tread water, but SA is on the decline.

23. Cincinnati: The defense really doesn't scare anybody, teams will run all day to keep the offense off the field.

24. New Orleans: Sign the coach to an extension and fire the personnel guy.

25. Oakland: They aren't really that bad, but the rest of the team is.

26. New York Jets: I could be wrong here, but that really depends on the running game.

27. Washington: Pas Def will be better, but somebody needs to tell somebody about the d-line.

28. Atlanta- Vick getting suspended will drop the team to about here, and he will get suspended.

29. Tennessee: didn't do anything to get better.

30. St.Louis: see above.

31. Indianapolis: see above.

32. Buffalo: Run D got worse.

 
msommer said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Tommie Harris and Mike Brown on crutches...if Harris is healthy, the trend will certainly be reversed.
 
Hey MoP, thanks for putting this together. I know this took some time and is an interesting offseason read.

 
msommer said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Tommie Harris and Mike Brown on crutches...if Harris is healthy, the trend will certainly be reversed.
Not to mention the addition of Archeletta (insurance if Brown goes down......again.) Adam was great in Lovie's defense in St. Loius. I realize he's older now - but as a spot player (to let Brown stay healthy?) or occasional starter, his addition can only improve a run defense that should be much better with a healthy T. Harris and Mike Brown.
 
msommer said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Tommie Harris and Mike Brown on crutches...if Harris is healthy, the trend will certainly be reversed.
Mike Brown did not play from mid October. Tommie Harris mid December so maybe Harris is the answer, Brown had nothing to do with it.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
4. Jacksonville: 91 yds a game, 14 TDs, 3.5 yds per attempt. Henderson and Stroud are really a force for teams to try and run around. They add Reggie Nelson and ILB Justin Durant in the 1st and 2nd round…they are only going to get stronger. I would pencil them in as one of those 5-10 teams you don’t want to roll your RB out against on a weekly basis…they did give away a lot of rush TD but that might change this year.
If the Jags can get any increases in the passing game from their new offensive system, they could be a Top 3 defense. The defense was dominant at times last year, but the offense kept the opposition in the game too often last year. The Jags only had 17 passing TD last year and were ranked 24th in passing yards.Don't forget the Jags were also missing Mike Peterson and Reggie hayward for most of last year. Peterson is back but Hayward still needs more time.
What part of my post didn't indicate they were/could be all of that?
I'm not really disagreeing, I just wanted to add a couple more points for people to consider.Thanks for making this list, though.
 
msommer said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Tommie Harris and Mike Brown on crutches...if Harris is healthy, the trend will certainly be reversed.
Mike Brown did not play from mid October. Tommie Harris mid December so maybe Harris is the answer, Brown had nothing to do with it.
Actually, that's not true. I'm not in a position to pull up the stats, but the Bears average amount of rushing yards allowed per game jumped after Brown went down. In the playoffs it became a glaring weakness, as they faced better teams who tried to take advantage of that perceived weakness (incidentally - only 1 team was able to do so to the point where it actually cost them the game). I do think the loss of Harris hurt the Bears in more ways than just run stopping, but Brown certainly was a factor in the Bears inability to stop the run.
 
msommer said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Tommie Harris and Mike Brown on crutches...if Harris is healthy, the trend will certainly be reversed.
Mike Brown did not play from mid October. Tommie Harris mid December so maybe Harris is the answer, Brown had nothing to do with it.
Actually, that's not true. I'm not in a position to pull up the stats, but the Bears average amount of rushing yards allowed per game jumped after Brown went down. In the playoffs it became a glaring weakness, as they faced better teams who tried to take advantage of that perceived weakness (incidentally - only 1 team was able to do so to the point where it actually cost them the game). I do think the loss of Harris hurt the Bears in more ways than just run stopping, but Brown certainly was a factor in the Bears inability to stop the run.
bears need brown about as much as harris for the run stoppage imo
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Biabreakable said:
This thread is hopefully my mulligan from yeasterday. I still think what I put up in the "Wasted Time" thread has its merits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :D
Why waste time presenting facts for objective discussion and analysis when those facts will be discared for opinion anyways?Based on your statements in the other thread yesterday you might as well just rank the top 5 run defenses and the 5 worst defenses for modifying RB rankings (which only a handful of RB matter anyways) by SOS good or bad. Everything else is a waste of time.
Everyone has a bad day Bia...and that thread sparked a lot more replies than this one so far...almost 3:1
Volume does not = quality. 3x people telling you you're overlooking the obvious doesn't necessarily make it a better thread.Some people have touched on this, but I think the most underappreciated factor in your initial analysis is the relative quality of pass defenses. So often a statistically solid defense on one facet of the game, is simply a result of being weaker in the other, and having teams exploit the weakness rather than challenge the relative strength. A team may have a very mediocre rush defense in terms of scheme and talent, but if the pass defense is worse, the rush defense may look impenetrable because noone will bother to run when they can pass at will.

For example, teams like Minnesota, Atlanta were very susceptible to the pass so teams didn't even bother to run on them.

I don't know enough about the changes on each team to see where teams might be likely to see big shifts, but I think this will be one of the biggest factor on most teams other than the few that are really solid (e.g., Baltimore) or really weak (maybe tennessee last year?) against both sides of the opposing offense. It doesn't take much to tip the balance between rush and pass (See INDY in playoffs), and often it comes down to injuries.

 
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I am pretty disappointed so far...I get a much bigger reaction when I just provoke instead of thought provoke as Pasquino eluded to yesterday.
You're asking for a pretty tall order. There are VERY few people that have actually paid attention to every detail of every defense. IDPers are probably the best bets, but even then it's still going to be somewhat of a crapshoot. You're mostly going to get people shuffling teams around by a few spots, throw in a couple of outliers, bump up their favorite team and voila! IMO, the best info that you're going to get is from people that are big football fans but live near a different team than their favorite team (preferably in a different conference). For instance, I'm a Bills fan but live near Philly. So I feel like I can be somewhat objective with Philly.Philadelphia Eagles:If this team is going to improve, it will be because of two reasons:1) Getting Jevon Kearse back healthy2) Addition by subtractionObviously Takeo Spikes is the big offseason acquisition for the defense. Even though he is starting to get up there in years, if he truly is finally recovered from the achilles injury, he should be an upgrade at OLB. He's not a Pro Bowler anymore but he won't be a weakness either. The loss of Jevon Kearse was a major loss last season for the Eagles. He's primarly a pass rusher though so his return would really only be a slight upgrade for the run defense IMO. Getting rid of Dhani Jones was definitely addition by subtraction. Jones was all around terrible. Gocong is an upgrade with potential although I don't see it as a HUGE upgrade. It just takes them from terrible to mediocre at this point. Trotter is meh. Not terrible, but he is inconsistent and doesn't seem like he's that aggressive getting to the ball.The Eagles are putting a LOT of eggs in the Broderick Bunkley basket. Last year he was active for just a few games and made just 9 tackles. He's already penciled in as the starter this year and if they don't get big things from him they probably took a large step back at one of their DT positions. Either way, Bunkley is more of a pass rushing DT anyway IMO and not a lane clogging run stuffer. I think that their defensive interior is actually going to be worse than last year.All in all, I think the Eagles will be slightly better against smaller quicker runners but worse against the power runners.
 
Of course, I'm a homer, but I can't see the Steelers run D suddenly making a precipitous drop out of the top 10. I couldn't find (didn't try that hard) to find run defense ranks going back a long way, but the last time a Steelers defense finished outside the top 10 in overall defense was 1992, and they're typically stronger against the run than the pass. I'd bet it's probably been that long since a Pittsburgh D finished outside the top 10 in rushing.Now, Cowher was the coach all those years, and his loss is sure to be felt. However, you neglected to mention that his successor is Mike Tomlin, who was the coordinator of the Minnesota defense that ranks #1 on this list, and IIRC, set the NFL record for lowest yds against (or ypc against, I forget which.) Thus, I can't imagine that the coaching change is going to present that much of a drop-off. Add to this the fact that LeBeau stayed on as defensive coordinator and the loss of Cowher should be felt far less here than you seem to think.Also, the only personnel change between last year's defense and this years is the replacement of Joey Porter with James Harrison at OLB. In the Steelers' zone-blitz scheme, the OLB is primarily a pass rusher, so the loss in terms of run support is far less than it would be in a more typical defense. In terms of straight run defense, there is virtually no turnover between this year and last.Finally, assuming that the new Steelers offense is going to feature more passing, meaning more time on the field for the defense, I'll believe it when I see it. People have mistaken Arians' remarks that he wants to use more 4 receiver sets with the QB under center to mean that the offense will be much more pass-happy this year. I don't see it. The Steelers used plenty of 4-wide last year, they just typically did it on 3rd down, and with Roethlisberger in the gun. Tomlin is the coach and he has already said that he plans to "win by attrition," referring to running the ball and stopping the run. He said that was the Steelers identity and is a formula he's comfortable with. So, I don't see the defense being on the field more than last year. Hell, last year, the offense was turning the ball over at a remarkable rate, and they still finished #3 against the run. If anything, I would expect their time of possession numbers to go UP this year, rather than down.
:lmao: I was going to say the same thing regarding Tomlin, plus the Steelers still have Casey Hampton.
 
Of course, I'm a homer, but I can't see the Steelers run D suddenly making a precipitous drop out of the top 10. I couldn't find (didn't try that hard) to find run defense ranks going back a long way, but the last time a Steelers defense finished outside the top 10 in overall defense was 1992, and they're typically stronger against the run than the pass. I'd bet it's probably been that long since a Pittsburgh D finished outside the top 10 in rushing.Now, Cowher was the coach all those years, and his loss is sure to be felt. However, you neglected to mention that his successor is Mike Tomlin, who was the coordinator of the Minnesota defense that ranks #1 on this list, and IIRC, set the NFL record for lowest yds against (or ypc against, I forget which.) Thus, I can't imagine that the coaching change is going to present that much of a drop-off. Add to this the fact that LeBeau stayed on as defensive coordinator and the loss of Cowher should be felt far less here than you seem to think.Also, the only personnel change between last year's defense and this years is the replacement of Joey Porter with James Harrison at OLB. In the Steelers' zone-blitz scheme, the OLB is primarily a pass rusher, so the loss in terms of run support is far less than it would be in a more typical defense. In terms of straight run defense, there is virtually no turnover between this year and last.Finally, assuming that the new Steelers offense is going to feature more passing, meaning more time on the field for the defense, I'll believe it when I see it. People have mistaken Arians' remarks that he wants to use more 4 receiver sets with the QB under center to mean that the offense will be much more pass-happy this year. I don't see it. The Steelers used plenty of 4-wide last year, they just typically did it on 3rd down, and with Roethlisberger in the gun. Tomlin is the coach and he has already said that he plans to "win by attrition," referring to running the ball and stopping the run. He said that was the Steelers identity and is a formula he's comfortable with. So, I don't see the defense being on the field more than last year. Hell, last year, the offense was turning the ball over at a remarkable rate, and they still finished #3 against the run. If anything, I would expect their time of possession numbers to go UP this year, rather than down.
:sleep: I was going to say the same thing regarding Tomlin, plus the Steelers still have Casey Hampton.
I'm in agreement also. I tend to think Harrison will be a better run defender than Joey Porter anyway. They are extremely thin at LB unless the kids come along quickly.fwiw, below are the Steeler defensive rankings under Cowher. LeBeau has been the DC a total of 5 seasons in two different stints and never finished worse than the # 3 rushing defense.
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Rushing				PassingYear  Rnk Yards	 DC	   Rnk Yards--------------------------------------2006   3  1412  **** LeBeau  21  36192005   3  1368  **** LeBeau  17  34802004   1  1299  **** LeBeau   4  30602003  12  1736  Tim Lewis	12  32452002   1  1375  Tim Lewis	23  37732001   1  1195  Tim Lewis	 8  33092000  12  1693  Tim Lewis	 8  32491999  26  1958  Jim Haslett   3  31671998  13  1642  Jim Haslett  18  35591997   1  1318  Jim Haslett  21  36811996   3  1415  **** LeBeau   7  33161995   2  1321  **** LeBeau   7  35121994   7  1452  Dom Capers	3  32561993   3  1368  Dom Capers   16  34401992  18  1841  Dom Capers	7  3065
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Biabreakable said:
This thread is hopefully my mulligan from yeasterday. I still think what I put up in the "Wasted Time" thread has its merits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :eek:
Why waste time presenting facts for objective discussion and analysis when those facts will be discared for opinion anyways?Based on your statements in the other thread yesterday you might as well just rank the top 5 run defenses and the 5 worst defenses for modifying RB rankings (which only a handful of RB matter anyways) by SOS good or bad. Everything else is a waste of time.
Everyone has a bad day Bia...and that thread sparked a lot more replies than this one so far...almost 3:1
Volume does not = quality. 3x people telling you you're overlooking the obvious doesn't necessarily make it a better thread.Some people have touched on this, but I think the most underappreciated factor in your initial analysis is the relative quality of pass defenses. So often a statistically solid defense on one facet of the game, is simply a result of being weaker in the other, and having teams exploit the weakness rather than challenge the relative strength. A team may have a very mediocre rush defense in terms of scheme and talent, but if the pass defense is worse, the rush defense may look impenetrable because noone will bother to run when they can pass at will.

For example, teams like Minnesota, Atlanta were very susceptible to the pass so teams didn't even bother to run on them.

I don't know enough about the changes on each team to see where teams might be likely to see big shifts, but I think this will be one of the biggest factor on most teams other than the few that are really solid (e.g., Baltimore) or really weak (maybe tennessee last year?) against both sides of the opposing offense. It doesn't take much to tip the balance between rush and pass (See INDY in playoffs), and often it comes down to injuries.
Nice post MB, I have a question.You used Minnesota as an example, I posted above they allowed 2.8 ypc...even if their weakness is pass defense and i would agree with you, don't you also think the WIlliams boys at DT and a 2.8 ypc on rush defense had a lot to do with teams passing on them instead of trying to establish the run?

 
msommer said:
6. Chicago: 99 yds a game, 4.0 ypc, and 13 runs of 20+ yds. I have pretty much felt like the top5 from last season should remain at or near the top with an exception or two but nothing drastic. Now Chicago could be a different story. They had a lot of injuries last season though too. Brown and Harris were out for quite a bit of the season and it opened up the running lanes a bit. I really felt the way to beat them was to run at them, and the Colts had no trouble running the football in the SB. There is a good chance for a SB hangover for these guys with off the field problems, and players wanting out of Chicago by the pound…maybe they might not try as hard as they should this year. Think Briggs and Brown are going to give 100%? Maybe you do. They won’t be a pushover but they could take a step back.
Their performance in the playoffs: 3 games 374 yards or 124.7 per game. What happened? Why will they reverse that trend?
Tommie Harris and Mike Brown on crutches...if Harris is healthy, the trend will certainly be reversed.
Mike Brown did not play from mid October. Tommie Harris mid December so maybe Harris is the answer, Brown had nothing to do with it.
Actually, that's not true. I'm not in a position to pull up the stats, but the Bears average amount of rushing yards allowed per game jumped after Brown went down. In the playoffs it became a glaring weakness, as they faced better teams who tried to take advantage of that perceived weakness (incidentally - only 1 team was able to do so to the point where it actually cost them the game). I do think the loss of Harris hurt the Bears in more ways than just run stopping, but Brown certainly was a factor in the Bears inability to stop the run.
In my weekly Exploit/Avoid threads last season I jumped all over the Bears as being a rush defense to possibly exploit once Brown went down. They were much softer against the run and it continued to get worse as injuries mounted up.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Biabreakable said:
This thread is hopefully my mulligan from yeasterday. I still think what I put up in the "Wasted Time" thread has its merits in redrafts but I didn't do a good job of structuring it. Now get to work :thumbdown:
Why waste time presenting facts for objective discussion and analysis when those facts will be discared for opinion anyways?Based on your statements in the other thread yesterday you might as well just rank the top 5 run defenses and the 5 worst defenses for modifying RB rankings (which only a handful of RB matter anyways) by SOS good or bad. Everything else is a waste of time.
Everyone has a bad day Bia...and that thread sparked a lot more replies than this one so far...almost 3:1
Volume does not = quality. 3x people telling you you're overlooking the obvious doesn't necessarily make it a better thread.Some people have touched on this, but I think the most underappreciated factor in your initial analysis is the relative quality of pass defenses. So often a statistically solid defense on one facet of the game, is simply a result of being weaker in the other, and having teams exploit the weakness rather than challenge the relative strength. A team may have a very mediocre rush defense in terms of scheme and talent, but if the pass defense is worse, the rush defense may look impenetrable because noone will bother to run when they can pass at will.

For example, teams like Minnesota, Atlanta were very susceptible to the pass so teams didn't even bother to run on them.

I don't know enough about the changes on each team to see where teams might be likely to see big shifts, but I think this will be one of the biggest factor on most teams other than the few that are really solid (e.g., Baltimore) or really weak (maybe tennessee last year?) against both sides of the opposing offense. It doesn't take much to tip the balance between rush and pass (See INDY in playoffs), and often it comes down to injuries.
Nice post MB, I have a question.You used Minnesota as an example, I posted above they allowed 2.8 ypc...even if their weakness is pass defense and i would agree with you, don't you also think the WIlliams boys at DT and a 2.8 ypc on rush defense had a lot to do with teams passing on them instead of trying to establish the run?
Oh it definitely works both ways. My point is that it's the relative strengths of rush vs. pass that is often most important. You could have a fairly crappy pass defense, but if you can't stop the run, nobody will bother to throw against you either. similarly, you could have a pretty decent run defense, but if you've got a killer pass defense, your rushing stats will still look pretty bad. Regarding minnesota, I really don't know the personnel or the situation much at all, but I suspect if those big tackles stay healthy and the new DC isn't a complete doofus, Minny should again be one of the best against the run and worst against the pass because my understanding is that their pass defense is much worse relative to their rush defense.
 
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