Matt's Eagles
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Who are you buying Low, Selling High and holding until value increases?
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Lets play Buy Low, Sell High and Hold game (1 Viewer)
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
RB
Buy Low- Matt Forte
Sell High- CJ Spiller
Hold- Darren McFadden
WR
Buy Low-MSW
Sell High-Boldin
Hold-Meachem
QB
Buy Low-Cassel
Sell High-Matt Schuab
Hold-Cutler
Buy Low- Matt Forte
Sell High- CJ Spiller
Hold- Darren McFadden
WR
Buy Low-MSW
Sell High-Boldin
Hold-Meachem
QB
Buy Low-Cassel
Sell High-Matt Schuab
Hold-Cutler
PranksterJD
Footballguy
I've been following both of these thoughts in my dynasties. I'm still sold on moving Shonn Greene, but I'm having a lot of buyers remorse on Santonio. I bought mainly before the iPod thing, so maybe his value has dipped even lower.... but I'm certainly less confident in the purchase than I was before.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Which is why he is a sell high in some people's book
EBF
Footballguy
I think now is a good time to buy your favorite rookies because if they become good NFL players, their values will only rise. My favorite risk/reward picks this year are probably Dez Bryant, Jahvid Best, Andre Roberts, Jimmy Graham, Fendi Obobun, Stafon Johnson, and Freddie Barnes. The latter three are "flyers" who can typically be had for nothing. I also like Ryan Mathews, Jermaine Gresham, and Demaryius Thomas at their ADP.
In terms of veterans, I'm still an Eddie Royal fan even though it's clear that Josh McDaniels isn't. I think Eddie has the potential to be a very productive WR2 in the right offense. He would be great on a team like the Colts or Steelers. Trouble is, McDaniels doesn't like him and it's hard to say when he'll be relevant again.
Some other guys I would consider buying are:
Stephen McGee - A flyer that you can grab off waivers. He could be the next starter in Dallas, though it will be a while.
LeSean McCoy - Situation mirrors Ray Rice's from a year ago. A bit of a risk at his cost though.
Marshawn Lynch - Certainly not a superstar, but still young with a decent track record. He should be on a new team soon.
Michael Crabtree - Had a Fitz-like rookie season after a Fitz-like college career. Should step up this season.
Santonio Holmes - Still young and talented. A great WR3 if you can get him cheap.
Malcolm Kelly/Devin Thomas - It's now or never. Thomas seems like the favorite to start. Kelly might be the better value.
In terms of veterans, I'm still an Eddie Royal fan even though it's clear that Josh McDaniels isn't. I think Eddie has the potential to be a very productive WR2 in the right offense. He would be great on a team like the Colts or Steelers. Trouble is, McDaniels doesn't like him and it's hard to say when he'll be relevant again.
Some other guys I would consider buying are:
Stephen McGee - A flyer that you can grab off waivers. He could be the next starter in Dallas, though it will be a while.
LeSean McCoy - Situation mirrors Ray Rice's from a year ago. A bit of a risk at his cost though.
Marshawn Lynch - Certainly not a superstar, but still young with a decent track record. He should be on a new team soon.
Michael Crabtree - Had a Fitz-like rookie season after a Fitz-like college career. Should step up this season.
Santonio Holmes - Still young and talented. A great WR3 if you can get him cheap.
Malcolm Kelly/Devin Thomas - It's now or never. Thomas seems like the favorite to start. Kelly might be the better value.
Agree with these, and If I owned McFadden I'd be trying to buy Bush like crazy.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Buy: T. Romo, Beannie Wells and Steve Smith
Sell: Kyle Orton, Ronnie Brown and T.J. Houshmenzadah
Sell: Kyle Orton, Ronnie Brown and T.J. Houshmenzadah
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
QBBuy Low - Eli ManningSell High - Kevin KolbRBBuy Low - Michael BushSell High - Shonn GreeneWRBuy Low - Devin ThomasSell High - Miles AustinTEBuy Low - Zack Miller (Oak)Sell High - Vernon Davis
saintfool
Dead sexy
you think he's going to vault from a top 25 finish to a top 10? otherwise, i don't see any reason to believe he is flying below the radar. he's the #1 wr on a bad team without any real competition. maybe in 2009 he was a buy low but going into this year? not so much.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I hate it when the OP doesn't list theirs.
Buy - Hakeem Nicks even though he isn't cheap, but don't over pay. Jared Cook because he is cheap. Matt Ryan because a lot of owners think he will always put up mediocre fantasy stats. I'm not one that believes that. Felix Jones because owners are skeptical about him staying healthy. Devin Thomas, I look for him to breakout this year with McNabb. Some still question his work ethic, but he made significant progress last year. Robert Meachem, he really started to show what he can do last year. I look for that to continue if he's healthy. Mike Thomas is a buy and sell. I really like him, and he could be the next Steve Smith (Car), but maybe not. San Fran Defense.
Sell - Steven Jackson, may have a good year this year, but it's almost time to unload him. Miles Austin, call me a non-believer, plus, this will be Dez Bryant's team before long. Joesph Addai if you CAN sell him. I give him one more year. Brandon Marshall, new team, and he's still a time bomb waiting to explode. Reggie Wayne may have two good years left, but I say he only has one. Percy Harvin, his migraines are a constant hassle, I believe the possibility of not having Favre will affect him more than Rice, and he will never be a #1 WR, even though he could be a productive one. Darren McFadden if you can sell him. May be too late. There's talk about making him a 3rd down back full time. Mike Thomas is a buy and sell. I really like him, and he could be the next Steve Smith (Car), but maybe not.
Hold - Kenny Britt, I'm not convinced he has the work ethic needed, and his friends are questionable, but all of that may or may not be an issue with Britt. Sydney Rice, some say he's a sell, I don't. His talent is real no matter who is at QB. Santonio Holmes because you can't get what he's worth. If you can sell him for a decent price do it, but most owners are in a holding pattern with this guy. Ben Roethlisberger, he's an obvious hold, but one more screw up and he's history for a year. I can't tell if Marion Barber is a hold or dump for Junior Mints
Dump for Junior Mints - Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jake Delhomme, Brady Quinn, Mercedes Lewis, Kyle Orton, Steve Slaton (jk....maybe
), Roy Williams, Kevin Smith (he wasn't any good before the injury), Terrell Owens, Lee Evans (let's say I can't stand this guy on my teams). David Garrard (see Lee Evans).
Buy - Hakeem Nicks even though he isn't cheap, but don't over pay. Jared Cook because he is cheap. Matt Ryan because a lot of owners think he will always put up mediocre fantasy stats. I'm not one that believes that. Felix Jones because owners are skeptical about him staying healthy. Devin Thomas, I look for him to breakout this year with McNabb. Some still question his work ethic, but he made significant progress last year. Robert Meachem, he really started to show what he can do last year. I look for that to continue if he's healthy. Mike Thomas is a buy and sell. I really like him, and he could be the next Steve Smith (Car), but maybe not. San Fran Defense.
Sell - Steven Jackson, may have a good year this year, but it's almost time to unload him. Miles Austin, call me a non-believer, plus, this will be Dez Bryant's team before long. Joesph Addai if you CAN sell him. I give him one more year. Brandon Marshall, new team, and he's still a time bomb waiting to explode. Reggie Wayne may have two good years left, but I say he only has one. Percy Harvin, his migraines are a constant hassle, I believe the possibility of not having Favre will affect him more than Rice, and he will never be a #1 WR, even though he could be a productive one. Darren McFadden if you can sell him. May be too late. There's talk about making him a 3rd down back full time. Mike Thomas is a buy and sell. I really like him, and he could be the next Steve Smith (Car), but maybe not.
Hold - Kenny Britt, I'm not convinced he has the work ethic needed, and his friends are questionable, but all of that may or may not be an issue with Britt. Sydney Rice, some say he's a sell, I don't. His talent is real no matter who is at QB. Santonio Holmes because you can't get what he's worth. If you can sell him for a decent price do it, but most owners are in a holding pattern with this guy. Ben Roethlisberger, he's an obvious hold, but one more screw up and he's history for a year. I can't tell if Marion Barber is a hold or dump for Junior Mints
Dump for Junior Mints - Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jake Delhomme, Brady Quinn, Mercedes Lewis, Kyle Orton, Steve Slaton (jk....maybe
), Roy Williams, Kevin Smith (he wasn't any good before the injury), Terrell Owens, Lee Evans (let's say I can't stand this guy on my teams). David Garrard (see Lee Evans).Just curious but who is buying Housh and Orton for anything I think sell is supposed to be for players you could get good value in returnBuy- Ryan Grant seems many have him as a 20 or so rb even though he continues to produceSell -Any rookie they are all overvalued right now considering how many flop or become average fantasy guys every yearhold-Eddie RoyalBlackjacks said:
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'd say Brown and Housh are thought of as top 20 guys still. If I had them and I could get that value I'd say bye bye to them.I would say Brady and R Moss here but I did that in another thread and am still feeling the lashings I took.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I've seen him traded very cheap based on a quiet end of the season.saintfool said:
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I've tried to move MSW in about any type of deal you can think of..... zero interest. I'm now looking acquire him in the rest of my leagues.Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Did you also liquidate the equity portion of your investment portfolio on March 9, 2009?Blackjacks said:
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Ok, I'll say it: Sell Brady & Moss. Someone in your league still thinks Brady is the best QB in the league and Moss is the best WR in the league. (They aren't).Other sells: Sidney Rice Boldin KolbBuy: HenneMatt Moore MaclinGarconBradshawLouis Murphy
Max Power
Footballguy
Buy - Matt Cassell ( Big things coming out of KC this year )
Sell - Aromashodu ( too much hype right now )
Hold - Greg Olsen ( he holds little to no value right now, maybe Martz will actually use him or he gets traded to a team that will )
For those that list SJax and Gore as sell high.... What are you looking to get in return? Giving up a high-mid #1 RB for the next two years for what?!? seriously...
Sell - Aromashodu ( too much hype right now )
Hold - Greg Olsen ( he holds little to no value right now, maybe Martz will actually use him or he gets traded to a team that will )
For those that list SJax and Gore as sell high.... What are you looking to get in return? Giving up a high-mid #1 RB for the next two years for what?!? seriously...
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Traded Steven Jackson, Mario Manningham, Josh Morgan and 1.9 for Ray Rice, and 1.1
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Buy - Brandon Marshall. I predict he earns his paycheck in Miami.
Buy - Tony Romo. It will surprise no one if he's the #1 FF QB for the next three years.
Buy - LeSean McCoy. SophoMORE. Seemed his biggest problem last year was hesitation, and maybe O-line.
Buy - Mike Goodson. Cheap lotto ticket. Downside - John Fox.
Buy - Beanie Wells - Don't think it's necessary to elaborate. ...if you're going to overpay for a player, he fits.
Buy - Jahvid Best - Predict he will be an ESPN darling this year.
Buy - Pierre Thomas - He makes it look way too easy.
Buy - Michael Bush - Is Darren McFadden going to hold him back?
Buy - Vince Young - Top 10 QB in weeks 9-16 last season.
Sell - DeAngelo Williams. I'm a DeAngelo fan, but don't get caught holding the bag like Portis owners.
Sell - Frank Gore - see above.
Sell - SJAX - see above.
Hold - Brett Favre
Buy - Tony Romo. It will surprise no one if he's the #1 FF QB for the next three years.
Buy - LeSean McCoy. SophoMORE. Seemed his biggest problem last year was hesitation, and maybe O-line.
Buy - Mike Goodson. Cheap lotto ticket. Downside - John Fox.
Buy - Beanie Wells - Don't think it's necessary to elaborate. ...if you're going to overpay for a player, he fits.
Buy - Jahvid Best - Predict he will be an ESPN darling this year.
Buy - Pierre Thomas - He makes it look way too easy.
Buy - Michael Bush - Is Darren McFadden going to hold him back?
Buy - Vince Young - Top 10 QB in weeks 9-16 last season.
Sell - DeAngelo Williams. I'm a DeAngelo fan, but don't get caught holding the bag like Portis owners.
Sell - Frank Gore - see above.
Sell - SJAX - see above.
Hold - Brett Favre
Max Power
Footballguy
That was an excellent trade on your end. I'm not sure this is a good baseline for Jackson's value as I'd assume that most owners would have turned that down.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Martz has tanked Olsen's value. Olsen owner's, prepare for Todd Heap offers.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Would you trade Sjax for Wells? Greene? ... Gore for Wells? Greene.For me, it's yes, yes, yes and no.
Max Power
Footballguy
I wouldn't trade either for Greene. Wells is about the correct value here. Depending on if I needed youth, I would swing the deal. I still see Jackson and Gore out producing Wells for another two years or so (PPR). So its not like I would really be selling high. I'm not sure how many Wells owners would be ready to make these deals though.
Black
Footballguy
I've got Garcon in a Dynasty, and need to decide if he gets an extension. He seems like a Sell High to me.
Johnny Knox also seems like a sell high. He could do great in the Martz system, and I would be happy to sell him to someone who thinks so.
What about Jon Stewart? Thoughts on his value?
Johnny Knox also seems like a sell high. He could do great in the Martz system, and I would be happy to sell him to someone who thinks so.
What about Jon Stewart? Thoughts on his value?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
That's what so odd about dynasty rankings. 5 out of 6 FBG staffers rank SJax above Wells, but my gut says 5 out of 6 Wells' owners reject a straight-up offer for SJax.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Buy -
Romo
Greene
Wells
Mathews
Benson
Bowe
Crabtree
Massaquoi
Wallace
Celek
Sell -
Schaub
Tate
LT
McCoy
Stewart (Based on the love here)
Evans
Ward
S. Smith NYG
Fitzgerald (Still good but not top 5 with Leinerd)
Carlson
Romo
Greene
Wells
Mathews
Benson
Bowe
Crabtree
Massaquoi
Wallace
Celek
Sell -
Schaub
Tate
LT
McCoy
Stewart (Based on the love here)
Evans
Ward
S. Smith NYG
Fitzgerald (Still good but not top 5 with Leinerd)
Carlson
oukurt
Footballguy
Gore? This one puzzles the hell out of me. They added 2 monsters to the O Line in the draft. These guys are going to be able to run the ball and they will run often.
EBF
Footballguy
They do different things well. Blount has more power and straight line speed. Johnson is more elusive and versatile.It will be interesting to see which of them makes the roster. They both have a chance.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
What's with all the sell high on Greene?
dmac37
Footballguy
I think Dixon is the value play here in dynasty rookie drafts and re-drafts. Gore is the lead dog here no doubt but I think they want to pound the ball enough where Dixon will have some immediate value. You can't predict injuries but if Gore goes down (knees) Dixon should be money in this system for cheap and could take over in 2-3 years as Gore gets older and wears down. Operative word is buy low, great situation to pay dividends with little invested as he seems to be going late 2nd-early 3rd in rookie drafts.
Garts
Footballguy
whaaaat?!?!whomever got Rice and the 1.1.....wow-a-wee-ahh
Hoot&HoLLer
Footballguy
Lotta love for Dwayne Bowe as a buy low. Do you know how low is buy low for a bro like D. Bowe?
Your reasoning is the perfect reason to sell high. I think Gore's value peaks this year, he may have a good year but the value won't be there next year this time. Maximize the return and move him now.
No idea. I had him #2 last year for RB's and my opinion has only solidified with his performance last year.
EBF
Footballguy
He might qualify for my "sell high" list. He still goes pretty early in dynasty drafts for a guy who has never consistently dominated in his three seasons. Last year a lot of people expected a breakout season and ranked him in the top 10 WRs. The suspension put that possibility to rest, but even when he played he didn't dominate. 54 yards per game, which is just a little below what he averaged in 2007 and 2008. I'm kind of thinking that his numbers from 2007-2008 might be closer to his ceiling than people first thought. 70-85 catches for 900-1100 yards and half a dozen TDs. Basically Jerricho Cotchery with more hype. Next year will be important for him. I might even say it's a make-or-break year towards determining whether or not he's ever going to be a true WR1 in the NFL and FF.
oukurt
Footballguy
Just seems like an odd choice with SFO beefing up the O Line and committing to a run heavy attack. Seems like Gore is a player you want to hang onto.
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Pictus Cat
Footballguy
The sell Schaub and SJAX and buy Crabtree
is interesting considering the comments in the dynasty trade thread
on the Schaub & SJAX
for Crabtree, 1.07, 1.10, and 2011 1st.
is interesting considering the comments in the dynasty trade thread
on the Schaub & SJAX
for Crabtree, 1.07, 1.10, and 2011 1st.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Pretty much agree. This type of thread usually has a lot of owners thinking they are smart in trying to maximize their player value.Insert Gore with plenty of other "aging but 2 to 3 years away from being old" players. He just happens to be an example of owners playing to lose instead of playing to win.With a guy like _______ you can be vying for a championship, but owners trading him away are loving the 5th place trophy more. If the team trading away ______ is only a 5th place team and trade him away only to vie for 9th place, that's not cool since they just took themselves out of the play-offs and now have a worse middling team. However, I understand the 9th place team trading ______ away to end up as the 12th best team since they weren't going to win anyways. May as well get some shiny new toys and continue to suck. Every league needs the "maybe two years from now" owners. Easy money.Just don't be the team with only older guys and you can do just fine for many years. 2 to 3 years is plenty of time to restock without taking yourself out of contention. Being "stuck" with a stud until he retires off your squad isn't so bad then you look up and see the championship trophy with your name on it. Even if you didn't win it all, you probably made some $$$ off the guys that like to give their money away.
A lot of people are treating him like a top 10 dynasty back. I personally don't believe he's a top 10 dynasty back, so if I owned him, I'd be looking to sell him for someone I *DID* believe was a top-10 dynasty back.
You sound like one of those people who runs his team like a stock portfolio, never happy unless he gets the maximum possible return in trade for his players. Personally, I'm more interested in how many fantasy points a player is going to score for me than I am in what I'll be able to get for him once he's done scoring those scads upon scads of fantasy points for me.Frank Gore essentially scored the same as Maurice Jones-Drew last year. He's two years older than MJD. Is that two year difference really all that separates "untouchable uberstud" from "get out while the getting's still good"?
Not saying move Gore for 2 sticks of Juicy Fruit. Gore is a top 5 dynasty RB IMO but that is his peak, he goes no higher. If I can package Gore for any of the top 4 he is gone, otherwise I keep him.
