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Let's talk Wide Receivers for the 2018 NFL Draft (1 Viewer)
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
If I own Barkley or the 1.01 and someone is inquiring right now I’m asking for the moon. I wouldn’t be giving up fournette and Davis either, but I don’t blame him for asking. Davis is a good trade target after struggling year 1 and fournette got banged up a little and missed some time, so I can see how they might look at it.fruity pebbles said:
Unless Sutton pulls a Dalvin Cook at the combine and tests really poorly, he's going to rocket up boards after the underwear Olympics IMO. NFL GM's love big WR's with measurables. Some have said this WR class is better than at first blush, but I don't agree at all. I think you'd be better off trading on the cheap for some of the recent 2016/2017 classes disappointments that have flashed a few things here and there (Doctson, Coleman, Davis for example, avoid guys like Treadwell obviously.)
wildabeast49
Footballguy
I don't get the Washington love. I think he can be a very nice wr2 on an NFL team but don't see him as a guy who can carry an offense. Bad route running, not great hands and stiff(limiting the route running). He looks like Chris Chambers with better ball tracking. I think drafting him highly and expecting him to be a fantasy difference maker will be a mistake a lot fo people make this draft season (unless some of the talk is real and NFL has him graded as a round 3-4 guy pushing his stock down). Not sure he's the best NFL wr prospect entering the draft from his own team.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
All I need to know is to take the most talented player that is not on a team with poor talent or poor coaching and let him sit on the taxi squad or bench for a few years and see what develops. It used to be you could hope for a plug and play rookie WR to give you some production year one (maybe a flex or bye week filler). Now like QB and TE, WR is really just a development player for the first 2-3 years thanks to the style of play in college.
When I see myself in a position where I'll be forced to draft a WR, my favorite option is to find a 3+ year vet WR (maybe one that had a down year) that I can try to flip the pick for and can be productive now, especially if the owner is one that is "rookie crazy" (there are a few in every league). I have been burned too many times with busts/injuries at rookie WR.
If you look at the numbers, rookie WR's in the past 4 years, have one of the highest bust rates (I'm including injuries here).
When I see myself in a position where I'll be forced to draft a WR, my favorite option is to find a 3+ year vet WR (maybe one that had a down year) that I can try to flip the pick for and can be productive now, especially if the owner is one that is "rookie crazy" (there are a few in every league). I have been burned too many times with busts/injuries at rookie WR.
If you look at the numbers, rookie WR's in the past 4 years, have one of the highest bust rates (I'm including injuries here).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Just look at Kevin White. I'm just glad I only have him in one league. He wasn't very good before the injury too. Another example of this is L Treadwell, but the jury is still out on him. I for one avoided him in every league.
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
Exactly, and Perriman. I'll take a quality 25-30 veteran WR over a rookie any day of the week after the last 4 years. 85% of the time, you'll get much more production vs a rookie sitting on your bench and taking up space. Just like other positions, the WR's are coming into the NFL with limited experience in pr-style offenses and they need to sit on your bench. Like I said, especially come draft time, there are always league members who get sucked into the combine/draft hype and will trade a quality WR for a lottery ticket.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Marcell Ateman is getting the Brandon Marshall comparison from what I've read.
Seems we are back to the 3 year breakout for WRs after a few years of rookie WRs coming in, starting and putting up 1k yards. Also looks like we are heading back towards a primary RB or at worst a timeshare of 2 guys with one getting the majority of touches. Beats the 3 and 4 headed monsters like CAR did a few years back and like NE still does.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Ok, I’ll bite.wildabeast49 said:
First, welcome to FBGs forum.
Secondly, Washington has shown consistency throughout his college career with three 1,000 yard seasons.
The average passer rating of all draft-eligible receivers with at least 48 targets is 105.9. Washington’s is 131.4 which is 13th best. This proves he can catch.
He ranks #1 on Deep Passing yards with 715 yards this shows his ability to not only stretch the field but run past the defenses. How can this not be a plus?
He’s 17 of 35 on deep passes ranking him #2 and 7 TDs on those passes ranking him #5.
To answer your question my friend, this is why we love him.
ETA: You’re wrong about his rout running, he’s actually good IMHO.
Tex
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wildabeast49
Footballguy
Thanks, I've been around for years, just don't post much when I'm only supporting what's already been said over and over. I recognize the production and was a big fan of him last year when we thought he may come out. The more I watch though, the more I think he's just a good NFL wr2. Those don't have top FF value unless they land in very specific situations. Would love to know your thoughts on why he didnt declare and the rumors of the NFL not valuing him highly as they tend to support each other. I know he can say he wanted a shot at a national championship, but when we combint him not declaring as a junior if he was a top wr, missing out on a LOT of money with the hearsay of low draft grades, it worries me (with any prospect not just Washington)Ok, I’ll bite.
First, welcome to FBGs forum.
Secondly, Washington has shown consistency throughout his college career with three 1,000 yard seasons.
The average passer rating of all draft-eligible receivers with at least 48 targets is 105.9. Washington’s is 131.4 which is 13th best. This proves he can catch.
He ranks #1 on Deep Passing yards with 715 yards this shows his ability to not only stretch the field but run past the defenses. How can this not be a plus?
He’s 17 of 35 on deep passes ranking him #2 and 7 TDs on those passes ranking him #5.
To answer your question my friend, this is why we love him.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Fair points, I thought it was odd too at first but Rudolph stayed as well. They made an agreement that they both would come back at not only a Championship but some records or something they wanted to break. Also, this is common amongst some athletes to go back to school when they were draft-eligible so I didn’t linger on it too long. We may never know the true reason but I remember several top prospects return to school in 2016 and that’s why 2017 was so deep.
Im recording today’s game and I can’t wait to see how he performs in a big game.
Tex
I like Sutton over both of them but if Sutton goes to Dallas, Ridley to Baltimore and Washington to SF, I'd take Washington.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
EQ St.Brown is an interesting prospect but he has 2 younger brothers and supposedly they are better than he is.
https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/06/equanimeous-osiris-amonra-st-brown-brothers-family
https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/06/equanimeous-osiris-amonra-st-brown-brothers-family
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
So here we are post combine now...time to fire up the discussion again.
the RBs in 2018 are excellent, the WRs, I don't think anyone knows what to make of them
Calvin Ridley - ho hum day, not big, his jumps were very meh, decent 40. perhaps the best Football ready guy? Older than most
Sutton - I think improved himself today some, his 3 cone was insane, his 40 yarders was good for his size, his jumps were nice too
J Washington - I love his production and he seems to really go after the ball. I think today hurt him, as will his odd size/body
Kirk - I think he did really nice today
DJ Chark - destroyed it today, will have to look at his film & hands, I know LSU don't produce good WR stats in college (didn't do the 3 cone)
Eq. St. B. - I liked him a lot before this and he looked smooth out there, no jumps or 3 cone, but he's strong and his 40 was excellent.
A.miller - was banged up apparently and didn't do much
DeaSean Hamilton - seemed to be rising post senior bowl, didn't do the 40 or the 3 cone.
What do we think about this class of WR, with the RBs being loaded, there is going to be value at this position in the 2nd round of dynasty drafts....what say you?
the RBs in 2018 are excellent, the WRs, I don't think anyone knows what to make of them
Calvin Ridley - ho hum day, not big, his jumps were very meh, decent 40. perhaps the best Football ready guy? Older than most
Sutton - I think improved himself today some, his 3 cone was insane, his 40 yarders was good for his size, his jumps were nice too
J Washington - I love his production and he seems to really go after the ball. I think today hurt him, as will his odd size/body
Kirk - I think he did really nice today
DJ Chark - destroyed it today, will have to look at his film & hands, I know LSU don't produce good WR stats in college (didn't do the 3 cone)
Eq. St. B. - I liked him a lot before this and he looked smooth out there, no jumps or 3 cone, but he's strong and his 40 was excellent.
A.miller - was banged up apparently and didn't do much
DeaSean Hamilton - seemed to be rising post senior bowl, didn't do the 40 or the 3 cone.
What do we think about this class of WR, with the RBs being loaded, there is going to be value at this position in the 2nd round of dynasty drafts....what say you?
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A few WR's I think belong in discussion with this group, most notably DJ Moore. But I don't think any of those other WR's, other than Moore, are players that are really first round dynasty draft type players, more like solid second round guys.
All in all it's very confusing to me. Not the least bit clear. It's probably not very clear to NFL people either because the amount of non-productive first round picks over last few years at WR is staggering. I think over last 3 years I counted 11 WR's in round one and only one has surpassed 800 yards in a season, a pretty low floor. And that one is Cooper who is coming off a horrific season. I still think a few of them can pull it around, mainly like Corey Davis, but a really bad showing at a position that suddenly seems extremely hard to scout for everyone but the Steeler's.
I had Ridley as my #1 for months. Still do but mainly because I just can't come up with someone that is blowing me away but it's not a gap from Ridley anymore, it's the narrowest of margins. It's the kind of margin that will be easily defined by landing spot, no one's talent is sticking out.
All in all it makes for really attractive looking second round into early third round. It makes things potentially confusing as could be in the middle to later first round.
I'd say good breakdown because I pretty much agree with all of it.
A few WR's I think belong in discussion with this group, most notably DJ Moore. But I don't think any of those other WR's, other than Moore, are players that are really first round dynasty draft type players, more like solid second round guys.
All in all it's very confusing to me. Not the least bit clear. It's probably not very clear to NFL people either because the amount of non-productive first round picks over last few years at WR is staggering. I think over last 3 years I counted 11 WR's in round one and only one has surpassed 800 yards in a season, a pretty low floor. And that one is Cooper who is coming off a horrific season. I still think a few of them can pull it around, mainly like Corey Davis, but a really bad showing at a position that suddenly seems extremely hard to scout for everyone but the Steeler's.
I had Ridley as my #1 for months. Still do but mainly because I just can't come up with someone that is blowing me away but it's not a gap from Ridley anymore, it's the narrowest of margins. It's the kind of margin that will be easily defined by landing spot, no one's talent is sticking out.
All in all it makes for really attractive looking second round into early third round. It makes things potentially confusing as could be in the middle to later first round.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Value is the way to go about this year I'd think. There are good guys you can grab that could become that WR2 on a team, none of them are probably WR1's though with 3-4 exceptions. Those being St. Brown, Sutton, and Chark probably. Maybe Christian Kirk in the right situation. Those guys have the size and speed from what was displayed today to POSSIBLY turn into a WR1. I have plenty of doubts among them, but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw even 6-10 of these WR's become solid depth pieces for an NFL team. Obviously that doesn't always produce fantasy numbers so the talk about these guys is a little inflated in my opinion that since he's "the best WR in the class" obviously means he could be a #1 right? Wrong. The easy way to describe them all from 2018 is solid yet unspectacular with a minimal chance of outstanding fantasy production. I'm bumping almost every RB on my list in my rookie rankings because of this, although I still have my favorites that I'm holding out hope for.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yes I forgot DJ Moore, his day was outstanding 4.42 /40 , his jumps were insane and his 3cone was under 7, and there was a lot of buzz pre combine as well
Please keep leaving DJ Moore off these lists. Would love him to slide to the fantasy second round. As good a chance of being the top WR rookie as any.
A lot of the sorting out of these closely bunched prospects will come from the draft. It's a good year to draft situation over talent, for once.
A lot of the sorting out of these closely bunched prospects will come from the draft. It's a good year to draft situation over talent, for once.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Winners/Losers according to CBS:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-combine-results-josh-allen-d-j-chark-mike-gesicki-shine-on-workout-day/
WR winners
D.J. Chark, LSU. The nearly 6-foot-3 wideout blazed in the 40, running the fastest time (4.34) on the day. He had a 40-inch vertical too. And Chark weighed in at 199 pounds, so you're looking at a rather large, explosive speedster. Expect Chark to rise up boards, and he could be looking at a second-round selection.
Courtland Sutton, SMU - The 6-3, 218-pounder ran 4.54 in the 40, had a 35.5-inch vertical, and a 10-foot-4 broad jump. More impressive than all that was his 6.57 in the three-cone drill and 4.11 in the short shuttle, ridiculous times for a player of his stature.
D.J. Moore, Maryland. Jumping 39.5 inches in the vertical and having an 11-foot broad jump at 210 pounds will turn some heads. That's exactly what the former Maryland star did on Saturday. He ran 4.42 in the 40-yard dash as well. Moore's a quick-twitch, make-you-miss wideout and clearly is an explosive athlete.
Dylan Cantrell, Texas Tech - The nearly 6'3", 227-pound wideout ran 4.59 -- not bad for his size -- and jumped 38.5 inches in the vertical test and had a 10-foot-10 broad jump. He also tied for the fastest three-cone time of 6.56 seconds and a crazy low short-shuttle time of 4.03. Cantrell is a contested-catch specialist who's clearly not limited athletically.
Christian Kirk, Texas A&M. An official 4.47 40 at 201 pounds is a stellar time for Kirk, one of the most physically impressive smaller wideouts in this class. During the on-field portion, he had no issues reeling in the football, and his routes had little-to-no wasted movement.
Allen Lazard, Iowa State. Lazard, who shined at the Senior Bowl, ran 4.55 at nearly 6-foot-5 and 225 pounds. He also had a 38-inch vertical. Talk about a size and speed specimen.
Antonio Callaway, Florida. Off-the-field issues will stay with Callaway during the pre-draft process, but he helped himself at the combine. He ran an official 4.41, the second-fastest time of his group, and had a 38.5-inch vertical. Good figures for a prospect billed as a speedster.
Tre'Quan Smith, UCF. On film, Smith is a springy athlete with great concentration in contested-catch situations and impressive agility after the catch. He put that athleticism on display in Indy. He ran 4.49, had a 10-foot-10 broad jump and a 37.5-inch vertical. Explosiveness confirmed.
Marquez Valdes-Scantling, USF. A deep sleeper prospect at the receiver position, Valdes-Scantling is a super-twitchy athlete for his size -- 6-4, 206 pounds -- and undoubtedly has room to grow into his frame. He ran a scintillating 40 of 4.37 seconds.
WR losers
Jordan Lasley, UCLA. Weighing in slightly over 200 pounds may have actually been bad for the UCLA wideout after all. He ran an official 4.50, which certainly isn't slow, but many expected him to have one of the fastest times among the receivers. Also, he clearly battled the football on an assortment of routes in the on-field rills.
Tavares Martin, Washington State. Martin had rare but special flashes in college, yet fizzled at the combine. Running 4.80 at 185 pounds will sink him on boards.
Calvin Ridley, Alabama. Running 4.43 in the 40 is solid. A 31-inch vertical and a 9-foot-2 broad jump is not, especially at around 6-foot-1 and 189 pounds. For a wideout expected to win with suddenness and burst, those jumps are worrisome. He had a poor rep through the gauntlet drill as well.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-combine-results-josh-allen-d-j-chark-mike-gesicki-shine-on-workout-day/
WR winners
D.J. Chark, LSU. The nearly 6-foot-3 wideout blazed in the 40, running the fastest time (4.34) on the day. He had a 40-inch vertical too. And Chark weighed in at 199 pounds, so you're looking at a rather large, explosive speedster. Expect Chark to rise up boards, and he could be looking at a second-round selection.
Courtland Sutton, SMU - The 6-3, 218-pounder ran 4.54 in the 40, had a 35.5-inch vertical, and a 10-foot-4 broad jump. More impressive than all that was his 6.57 in the three-cone drill and 4.11 in the short shuttle, ridiculous times for a player of his stature.
D.J. Moore, Maryland. Jumping 39.5 inches in the vertical and having an 11-foot broad jump at 210 pounds will turn some heads. That's exactly what the former Maryland star did on Saturday. He ran 4.42 in the 40-yard dash as well. Moore's a quick-twitch, make-you-miss wideout and clearly is an explosive athlete.
Dylan Cantrell, Texas Tech - The nearly 6'3", 227-pound wideout ran 4.59 -- not bad for his size -- and jumped 38.5 inches in the vertical test and had a 10-foot-10 broad jump. He also tied for the fastest three-cone time of 6.56 seconds and a crazy low short-shuttle time of 4.03. Cantrell is a contested-catch specialist who's clearly not limited athletically.
Christian Kirk, Texas A&M. An official 4.47 40 at 201 pounds is a stellar time for Kirk, one of the most physically impressive smaller wideouts in this class. During the on-field portion, he had no issues reeling in the football, and his routes had little-to-no wasted movement.
Allen Lazard, Iowa State. Lazard, who shined at the Senior Bowl, ran 4.55 at nearly 6-foot-5 and 225 pounds. He also had a 38-inch vertical. Talk about a size and speed specimen.
Antonio Callaway, Florida. Off-the-field issues will stay with Callaway during the pre-draft process, but he helped himself at the combine. He ran an official 4.41, the second-fastest time of his group, and had a 38.5-inch vertical. Good figures for a prospect billed as a speedster.
Tre'Quan Smith, UCF. On film, Smith is a springy athlete with great concentration in contested-catch situations and impressive agility after the catch. He put that athleticism on display in Indy. He ran 4.49, had a 10-foot-10 broad jump and a 37.5-inch vertical. Explosiveness confirmed.
Marquez Valdes-Scantling, USF. A deep sleeper prospect at the receiver position, Valdes-Scantling is a super-twitchy athlete for his size -- 6-4, 206 pounds -- and undoubtedly has room to grow into his frame. He ran a scintillating 40 of 4.37 seconds.
WR losers
Jordan Lasley, UCLA. Weighing in slightly over 200 pounds may have actually been bad for the UCLA wideout after all. He ran an official 4.50, which certainly isn't slow, but many expected him to have one of the fastest times among the receivers. Also, he clearly battled the football on an assortment of routes in the on-field rills.
Tavares Martin, Washington State. Martin had rare but special flashes in college, yet fizzled at the combine. Running 4.80 at 185 pounds will sink him on boards.
Calvin Ridley, Alabama. Running 4.43 in the 40 is solid. A 31-inch vertical and a 9-foot-2 broad jump is not, especially at around 6-foot-1 and 189 pounds. For a wideout expected to win with suddenness and burst, those jumps are worrisome. He had a poor rep through the gauntlet drill as well.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
underlined - very interesting take, the Steelers at WR over the years seemed to have let players develop,Hines Ward, Antonio brown matured into his positon. JuJu being the exception and Martavius obvious has the talent.
Are team expecting too much from these WRs? Is it the college systems? I'm sure the route tree is limited for the WR in college. Do teams need to show more patience?
Take the Vikings, Diggs was what a 5th round pick, and Theilen was undrafted and their 1st rounder Treadwell is a massive bust....
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Paitence yes it does take some time for some of these players to develop. While a few WR have been able to put up big numbers as rookies recently, that is still more the exception than what usually happens with WR and part of it was just that some of the WR from 2014 were so good. They showed it right away. Then that becomes the expectation.
Also important to keep in mind that 2017 passing stats took a huge step back to 2011 numbers. So WR as a whole did not do very well last season. Part of that is because of many good QB being injured last year as well as some of the best WR also being injured last year.
The trend for passing is still definitely up and I expect QB and WR scoring to rebound next season.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I didn't think Lasley had a bad day at all. More of an indifferent day. I'm not sure who was expecting him to run insanely fast, but that isn't his game. I was pleased with his 4.50 and how he was catching in drills. He never had the best hands so maybe my expectations were low, but he did relatively well.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Lading spots still making a huge difference in my rankings but as of now
sutton
kirk
moore
chark
esb
ridley
washington
miller
Still sorting out the lesser known guys. Haven’t been high on Ridley, combine hasn’t helped. Older wr that didn’t produce (which gets blamed on qb play). He really hits “do not draft” for me, I’ll let someone else pay a top 10 pick for that guy. Wanted to see a respectable 40 time from Sutton and his drills were great, so I’m wondering if weak point, separation, can be taught. Washington is a guy I’ll have to go back and watch, @BigTexhas some good points/stats. Kirk looks pretty legit- on his tape I loved how he gets open when the play breaks down, catches everything, and has speed to get deep. He’s not the usual giant wr Carolina has been drafting, but I think he’d fit well. I had Chark in my top 20 players overall for awhile and he moved up a bit. Esb reminds me of juju in the sense that everyone was scrambling to get them in devy leagues a year ago and now the hype has quieted. Wasn’t big on Miller going in but need to look at him more, and ateman was never really on my radar early.
I was hoping for a better 40 time from simmie Cobbs, getting no love from the ffl community before and likely isn’t changing.
sutton
kirk
moore
chark
esb
ridley
washington
miller
Still sorting out the lesser known guys. Haven’t been high on Ridley, combine hasn’t helped. Older wr that didn’t produce (which gets blamed on qb play). He really hits “do not draft” for me, I’ll let someone else pay a top 10 pick for that guy. Wanted to see a respectable 40 time from Sutton and his drills were great, so I’m wondering if weak point, separation, can be taught. Washington is a guy I’ll have to go back and watch, @BigTexhas some good points/stats. Kirk looks pretty legit- on his tape I loved how he gets open when the play breaks down, catches everything, and has speed to get deep. He’s not the usual giant wr Carolina has been drafting, but I think he’d fit well. I had Chark in my top 20 players overall for awhile and he moved up a bit. Esb reminds me of juju in the sense that everyone was scrambling to get them in devy leagues a year ago and now the hype has quieted. Wasn’t big on Miller going in but need to look at him more, and ateman was never really on my radar early.
I was hoping for a better 40 time from simmie Cobbs, getting no love from the ffl community before and likely isn’t changing.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
As far as my rankings, you could really take those names, shake them up, and whatever order dumps out could be how their careers end up.
Deon Cain should be in there somewhere.
Deon Cain should be in there somewhere.
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I look at production a few ways and one way I look at it I would not define Ridley as not producing.
I tend to focus more on percentage of team production more than just personal production, I guess also known as market share. No system is perfect but it's a way to try and factor in the offense, comp and QB instead of just raw stats. A WR putting up stats in the Big 12 is just not the same to me as the SEC.
In this regard Ridley and Chalk's less then amazing stats look a lot better to me, not as good as DJ Moore but a lot better. Can take this further and just sort it out by WR or WR/TE but I've not done that yet but someone like Chalk would look even better I imagine when I do this because a lot of LSU's passing game production was funneled to RB's.
Here is total % of team production in passing game for each of those WR's you listed:
Moore- 53.5%
Ridley- 36%
Miller- 34%
Chark- 33%
Washington- 31%
Sutton- 28%
Kirk- 26%
Cain-22%
St Brown- 22%
On Ridley I've never been concerned about his total production but I do have some concerns that he laid eggs in some major games, when the comp increased his production usually waned and to me that's a bigger red flag then just putting up 900 yards with an option QB throwing to him.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
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Michael Gallup is a name to watch too. He's probably my favorite WR in the class, especially value wise, as I doubt he goes round 1.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Keke Coutee also had a good combine.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Yeah I should have had Gallup in there as well, probably after Chark. I knew I was missing someone in there. I like keke so far but haven’t watched him at all.
Zyphros
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm not big on Ridley but why is there a narrative that he didn't produce? What kind of production are people expecting in college? Did people complain that AJ Green and Julio Jones didn't produce in college?
224-2781-19
179-2653-15
166-2619-23
Those are the 3 year college stats of Ridley, Julio, and AJG.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I know I have linked this quite a few times already in different threads.
I like the way they do this study is the main thing that makes me trust the results found.
In regards to WR:
I think Ridley being older, has led to some feeling his numbers should have been higher than they were. Green/Julio were also physical marvels, so they felt like they had a much higher ceiling yet to come, which has since proven true.
While I don't recall criticism of Green's numbers, Julio certainly had his detractors based off production.
ZWK
Footballguy
Green did that in 32 games, Jones in 40, Ridley in 44. Yards from scrimmage per game (college career):
85.1 AJ Green
69.8 Julio Jones
64.1 Calvin Ridley
