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If you have three guys rated equally and just wanted the cheaper guy, why wouldn't you just let the timer expire and wait as long as possible to get the last player from that tier? Assuming there are no legitimate trade offers to move up.

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this given the hard salary cap structure.

 
If you have three guys rated equally and just wanted the cheaper guy, why wouldn't you just let the timer expire and wait as long as possible to get the last player from that tier? Assuming there are no legitimate trade offers to move up.I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this given the hard salary cap structure.
When this happened a few years back with the Vikings and Bryant McKinnie (I think that's the right guy) they triesd to pay him as a lower pick, but I believe they lost that battle and paid him as the original pick spot salary slot.Sorry, I'm doing this from memmory, but I know the basics are correct.
 
Never. No better way to endear your organization to your top draft pick than to let him know that you want to pay him as little as possible.

 
I didn't think teams would admit that they were completely indifferent between two players. And I doubt that they really could be.

 
If you have three guys rated equally and just wanted the cheaper guy, why wouldn't you just let the timer expire and wait as long as possible to get the last player from that tier? Assuming there are no legitimate trade offers to move up.I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this given the hard salary cap structure.
When this happened a few years back with the Vikings and Bryant McKinnie (I think that's the right guy) they triesd to pay him as a lower pick, but I believe they lost that battle and paid him as the original pick spot salary slot.Sorry, I'm doing this from memmory, but I know the basics are correct.
I have the same fuzzy recollection....
 
I would say avoiding a messy contract situation as well as not wanting to chance that other teams will take the guys you want are prolly reasons why no one does this

 
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If you have three guys rated equally and just wanted the cheaper guy, why wouldn't you just let the timer expire and wait as long as possible to get the last player from that tier? Assuming there are no legitimate trade offers to move up.I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this given the hard salary cap structure.
When this happened a few years back with the Vikings and Bryant McKinnie (I think that's the right guy) they triesd to pay him as a lower pick, but I believe they lost that battle and paid him as the original pick spot salary slot.Sorry, I'm doing this from memmory, but I know the basics are correct.
I have the same fuzzy recollection....
It was actually Kevin Williams but you got he rest of it right.
 
If you have three guys rated equally and just wanted the cheaper guy, why wouldn't you just let the timer expire and wait as long as possible to get the last player from that tier? Assuming there are no legitimate trade offers to move up.I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this given the hard salary cap structure.
When this happened a few years back with the Vikings and Bryant McKinnie (I think that's the right guy) they triesd to pay him as a lower pick, but I believe they lost that battle and paid him as the original pick spot salary slot.Sorry, I'm doing this from memmory, but I know the basics are correct.
I have the same fuzzy recollection....
It was actually Kevin Williams but you got he rest of it right.
Here's the story...With the Vikings' 15-minute window for their No. 7 selection down to 30 seconds or so, Baltimore and Minnesota struck a trade. The Ravens would move up from No. 10 to 7, giving Minnesota their fourth and sixth-round selections this year. Nobody disputes that version of events. But then things got wacky. The Vikings called in their end of the trade to the league, but the Ravens, with the seconds dwindling, couldn't get through to Bussert. Minnesota's clock expired, the Vikings were forced to pass on their pick, and Jacksonville rushed to submit its card, drafting Leftwich. With the player they intended to draft at No. 7 gone, the Ravens told the Vikings their deal was off and prepared to select Suggs. After Carolina took Utah offensive tackle Jordan Gross, Minnesota jumped back into the draft at the No. 9, selecting Oklahoma State defensive end Kevin Williams, the player they had targeted at the No. 10 spot. That's when the recriminations started. "The trade was done with more than 30 seconds left," Vikings vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski told SI.com on Saturday. "We definitely pushed it timewise, but then Baltimore couldn't get in touch with the league. What you do is call and verify the trade and then turn in the card. Why was the league's phones ringing busy? I don't know. They have four lines open for that kind of communication. But once we had the deal with Baltimore, we assumed it was done." Vikings head coach Mike Tice was upset that the trade didn't get executed. "I'm pissed," Tice said, alluding to the missed opportunity. "It doesn't look good after last year [when the Vikings also had trouble turning in their first-round card in a timely fashion], but it wasn't our fault." And now for Baltimore's version: "The deal wasn't consummated," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The deal is not a deal until I talk to Joel Bussert and I never talked to Joel Bussert. ... The key thing is, up until I talk to Joel Bussert, it's not a trade." Asked if the deal got as far as him attempting to contact Bussert as the clock expired, Newsome said, "Yes, it did. But I was not able to get a hold of Joel." Later, Newsome acknowledged that "we were up against the clock when I was trying to call the league," adding tellingly, "Some of the best deals I've made are the ones I never made." Tickled by the eventual outcome of the deal that didn't happen -- namely, getting Suggs and Boller in the first round, rather than just Leftwich -- Billick was in no mood to look back at what might have been, or accept any blame. "Fault? For what?" said Billick, when told what Vikings officials were saying about the trade. "They said they got the player they wanted. We got the player we wanted, plus. Sounds like life turned out pretty good." Sources with both teams say the Vikings were shopping the No. 7 pick to three teams during their 15 minutes of infamy: The Ravens, Jaguars, and Patriots. It came down to Minnesota jumping back and forth between Baltimore and Jacksonville, pitting the two teams that were fighting for the right to draft Leftwich. Officials in Baltimore believe that the Jaguars had no interest in dealing with the Vikings, but wanted to keep Minnesota on the line in an effort to keep the pick and Leftwich away from Baltimore. In other words, the Jaguars were trying to run out the clock on the Ravens, a goal they apparently realized. "It was [Jags head coach] Jack Del Rio talking to Tice, throwing out different options and keeping the Vikings on the line," said a source with the Ravens. "The Vikings waited too long. Ozzie kept telling Tice, 'Mike, you're running out of time, you're running out of time.' But they kept bouncing back and forth, negotiating with both of us. It was pretty shrewd by Del Rio." And there's even more back story to this one. In Minnesota, Tice and Brzezinski were pressured by Vikings owner Red McCombs to get out of the No. 7 slot, trading down in an effort to save money in terms of signing bonus. With only Minnesota interested in making Williams a top 10 pick, the Vikings wanted to drop down several notches and take the Oklahoma State standout in a cheaper slot. As is, Minnesota is expected to try to pay Williams as the No. 9 pick, rather than the No. 7 slot that the Vikings originally held. The difference in the size of the signing bonuses could be as much as $3 million. Given the financial considerations that Minnesota had, Vikings officials were grudgingly willing to accept just a fourth and sixth-rounder from Baltimore in exchange for their pick. "It was a lousy deal, but we felt like we had to take it," a Vikings team source said. "We had other things to consider." Said Seattle general manager Bob Ferguson of Minnesota's self-inflicted drop from No. 7 to No. 9: "Well, they wanted to trade down, but that's not the way to do it. In 28 years of doing this, I've never seen anything like it." Almost the same could be said for the Ravens, who walked away ecstatic that their deal with Minnesota was aborted. "There was disappointment when the deal didn't happen, because of the combination of missing out on Leftwich and that it meant we weren't going to pick Boller at No. 10," Billick said. "Part of me, as excited as I was about getting Suggs, was like, '[shoot], we liked both of these quarterbacks so much and now we're not getting either one.' Because it didn't look likely that we could get back up into the first round for Boller." On a day when the unlikely kept happening, Baltimore was happy with its every move. Most of all, the one it didn't make. Don Banks covers pro football for SI.com. Are the Ravens still as happy about that Boller move ya think?
 
If you have three guys rated equally and just wanted the cheaper guy, why wouldn't you just let the timer expire and wait as long as possible to get the last player from that tier? Assuming there are no legitimate trade offers to move up.I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this given the hard salary cap structure.
When this happened a few years back with the Vikings and Bryant McKinnie (I think that's the right guy) they triesd to pay him as a lower pick, but I believe they lost that battle and paid him as the original pick spot salary slot.Sorry, I'm doing this from memmory, but I know the basics are correct.
The Bryant McKinnie incident was the year before the Williams problem. Here's that story...The Minnesota Vikings found themselves in the center of a controversial situation on draft day. With the seventh overall pick in the first round, the Vikings were targeting North Carolina DT Ryan Sims. The Dallas Cowboys, who held the sixth pick, were set to select Oklahoma safety Roy Williams before Jerry Jones had a phone conversation with Kansas City. The Chiefs, who had the eighth pick, also coveted Sims. But before a deal between Jones and **** Vermeil could be completed for the sixth pick, the Cowboys’ 15 minutes to either make a pick or complete a trade expired. By rule, the Vikings had the right to send their pick up to the podium during the down time in order to leapfrog Dallas. Minnesota eventually submitted a card with Sims’ name on it, but the team was told that the Dallas-KC trade was turned in seconds before the Vikes’ choice of Sims.I do not play IDP or follow KC that closely so I am wondering how this turned out. Just how good is Sims? Did the Vikes lose out on Sims, or did they end up better off with McKinnie?
 

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