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Lineup Mistake - What is a Commish to do? (1 Viewer)

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Had a situation arise that was brought up to the Commish's attention today. Here is the situation.

Team A (6-2) vs Team B (5-3).

Team B started Huntley in last's nights game and has both Lamar and Darnold on the bench. A non involved team pointed out the situation and thinks the Commish office should make a change and put in Lamar as that was what should have been the lineup.

Team B owner was contacted and said he didn't realize that his lineup changes he made didn't get saved until it was too late and is fine with leaving it as is because he made the mistake and it shouldn't be changed.

What say the Shark Pool?

(I already know my vote but I wanted to hear what other's think. I am pretty sure I know how it will go).

ETA: I thought I made this into a pole but I guess not.

Pole choices were:

  • Do nothing
  • Put in Lamar for Huntley as that was the obvious choice
  • Put in Darnold for Huntley since Huntley didn't play and Darnold hasn't played yet as Huntley was obviously an error being in the lineup.
 
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JohnnyU said:
msudaisy26 said:
Depends on the league.
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If it is friendly home league or low stakes then whatever no problem. If this has a larger buy in and is very competitive then it shouldn't be fixed.

There are all different kinds of leagues and the competitive ones with larger payouts where the most or all of the people in the league take it more seriously then mistakes shouldn't be fixed. If you joined a league like that then you should participate like that.

I would also say if there is a circumstance where there was an emergency or act of mother nature then that would be totally different.
 
You know three years ago I'd have said tough luck. Today, with multiple babies and a much more demanding job...

This is supposed to be fun and competitive. If I noticed it right as the game was starting and asked for it, not waiting for the guy to have a great game and being in hindsight, I think Lamar gets swapped in.

If I didn't notice until after the game, I think Darnold gets put in.

In all cases, it's dumb to force a QB who wasn't gonna play and who the guy thought he swapped out, to stay in.
 
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I had something adjacently similar happen last week- my opponent didn't know Aaron Jones was going to potentially be active, and had him on IR. When Jones was officially activated 4 hours before the Thursday game, the manager didn't catch it and kept him on IR- which restricted him from making any free agency moves! So between byes and injuries, he had no players to replace his kicker and one RB slot off his bench, and couldn't make any moves to fix the issue.

Luckily it's a friendly home league, and I am the commissioner, so it was pretty easy to get the league to agree on a proposal to swap Aaron Jones into his RB slot and free up his IR so he can make roster moves. I still won the week, and nobody was unhappy with the ruling, so all is well that ends well.

That's all to say, if it isn't that serious, I'd just let him put in Darnold, as long as the majority of the league agrees. If you want to be extra democratic, give Team A's vote 2x the weight, because it would directly impact them the most. Or maybe say he gets the worst score between the two QBs as punishment. But I think it was a simple mistake and worth a one-time fix IMO.
 
Some might do this to deliberately tank. Others ate just inept. We have integrity rules and if I see it before the game starts I put in Jackson and remove Huntley. If I don’t catch it before the game starts, I leave it and warn the manager. If the same thing happens again I will remove the owner and not refund his fees and manage his team by submitting a lineup, with no transactions, until another owner can be found.
 
Hate to say it but the guy is stuck with Huntley in his lineup. Had he contacted you in a timely fashion I'd say make the switch. He didn't even contact you and my guess is that the owner that did contact you is right behind the 6-2 owner in the standings. I think it just opens up all kinds of problems down the road.

I can't really speak for other hosting platforms but I know RT Sports gives a confirmation of changes made to the lineup. It is the owners responsibility to confirm his starting lineup was saved.
 
pinequick said:
It should not be fixed. Owners run their teams.

On the same note, you also will *never* veto a trade. For reference, see above.
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For dynasty you have to consider league integrity. You can’t have owners deliberately tanking under the disguise of accident. This hurts teams trying to make the playoffs by giving another team a free win. It also hurts other teams draft position if another team is losing on purpose, or even by accident. If you allow this behavior it will eventually cause the league to collapse. I give a warning, but only one. Then I remove the owner. I don’t allow teams to start players on a bye, or one that is inactive if I catch it before the game starts. I’ll insert someone from their bench if possible. This is a league integrity issue.
 
JohnnyU said:
pinequick said:
It should not be fixed. Owners run their teams.

On the same note, you also will *never* veto a trade. For reference, see above.
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For dynasty you have to consider league integrity. You can’t have owners deliberately tanking under the disguise of accident. This hurts teams trying to make the playoffs by giving another team a free win. It also hurts other teams draft position if another team is losing on purpose, or even by accident. If you allow this behavior it will eventually cause the league to collapse. I give a warning, but only one. Then I remove the owner. I don’t allow teams to start players on a bye, or one that is inactive if I catch it before the game starts. I’ll insert someone from their bench if possible. This is a league integrity issue.
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You are correct, it can be integrity issue, if the team was 1-7 this would fall under our anti-tanking rule and they would be fined bid dollars next year. Yes it can be a bit subjective, doesn't happen too often but our commish makes the call on this, can't remember it ever being argued and the fines almost always resolve the issue.
 
FarFromHome said:
Boy. Tough one. Obviously an honest mistake. Put my vote down as owners need to be accountable for who they are starting. I'd make no change.
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The potential issue though is that Team A could get an easy victory at the expense of other teams that may be battling for a playoff spot. May affect more than Team A and Team B.

No easy solution but if it’s an honest mistake, I would make the change for overall league equity.
 
Dizzy said:
Them's the breaks.
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Not sure if Redraft or dynasty, but if dynasty it can ruin the league. Thems the breaks can give a team a free win, ruin someone else’s chance at the playoffs, and give a team a better draft position,, while screwing others. So them’s the breaks doesn’t cut the mustard.
 
Both teams competing, neither are trying to tank. I’d suggest he be allowed to start his QB2. I would not be in favor of swapping in LJax after the fact.

I’m reasonably sure my home league would be ok with that solution. No one wants an easy W for a top team, but you can’t go inserting players who’ve already scored points.

That’s how I’d approach it anyway.
 
Stuck with Huntley unless there is past precedent for this kind of thing. If the owner had texted you right as the game was starting and said there was an error with the app and it didn't save his change, I think I say the commish can swap then. But not after the game like this. Sucks but it is too late.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Both teams competing, neither are trying to tank. I’d suggest he be allowed to start his QB2. I would not be in favor of swapping in LJax after the fact.

I’m reasonably sure my home league would be ok with that solution. No one wants an easy W for a top team, but you can’t go inserting players who’ve already scored points.

That’s how I’d approach it anyway.
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That is a pretty fair compromise as well
 
zamboni said:
The potential issue though is that Team A could get an easy victory at the expense of other teams that may be battling for a playoff spot.
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For sure. I spent decades as a commish, fortunately it's been years since I've been one. A good commish isn't the captain of the ship just helps steer occasionally. Rule #1 for me and it covers nearly 98% of all issues, is to vote on EVERYTHING. If this was my league, id put it league vote. To your point on giving a team fighting for playoff spot an easy win. As commish that info wouldn't even matter to me. What if the team making the mistake was fighting for playoff spot and the mistake gave a 0-10 team his first win? It's irrelevant. You rule over the matter not the specifics. In this case if voting didn't solve it, for example in a tie, id rule the mistake stands. To the matter of tanking. Find good owners and boot those this tank. Having the commish sniff out people who tank can end friendships. It's a game
 
Gally said:
Team B owner was contacted and said he didn't realize that his lineup changes he made didn't get saved until it was too late and is fine with leaving it as is because he made the mistake and it shouldn't be changed.
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Tie Team B owner down and burn him with lit cigarettes until he admits he forgot and never actually made the attempt to insert Lamar into his lineup.
 
JohnnyU said:
pinequick said:
It should not be fixed. Owners run their teams.

On the same note, you also will *never* veto a trade. For reference, see above.
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For dynasty you have to consider league integrity. You can’t have owners deliberately tanking under the disguise of accident. This hurts teams trying to make the playoffs by giving another team a free win. It also hurts other teams draft position if another team is losing on purpose, or even by accident. If you allow this behavior it will eventually cause the league to collapse. I give a warning, but only one. Then I remove the owner. I don’t allow teams to start players on a bye, or one that is inactive if I catch it before the game starts. I’ll insert someone from their bench if possible. This is a league integrity issue.
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Integrity??? So "I'm going to f around with your lineup to protect league integrity.". Huh?

Then just set all the lineups yourself to, you know, "protect league integrity."

Owners own teams. Owners pay entry fees. They set lineups. They deal with consequences. Micromanaging after the fact leads you down a primrose path.
 
If it's a money league, sorry, Charley. Like others have said, it is every owner's responsibility to make sure their lineup changes and whatnot go through, and I agree that it opens up a can of worms where anyone can pull the "oh, I meant to start this guy" after the fact. It's a tough lesson, but it is what it is.
 
It's either obviously a mistake or a tank and both should be corrected by the commissioner. I really don't see an alternative.

I'd rule they can't put in Lamar after the fact, but they can put in Darnold.

Would be sure to notify the league of this ruling.

League entry fee, payout, friends/strangers, whatever.....makes no difference.
 
pinequick said:

Owners own teams. Owners pay entry fees. They set lineups. They deal with consequences. Micromanaging after the fact leads you down a primrose path.
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This is where I'm at. When you join a league you bottom line only have two responsibilities. You draft. You set lineups. I prefer owners that talk trash, makes trades and make 500 waiver moves during the year, It's more fun for me, but that's just my opinion. In the end, you really need to do only the two things above I mentioned.
 
I guarantee that guy wouldn’t have accidentally left Huntley in his lineup if it was for $100M. How can you not ensure your lineup is correct? What website sucks so bad that you can’t take 1 second to make sure the change takes effect?
 
I'm a commissioner also and considering all the apps and tools around to do changes remotely, a large part of Fantasy Football is setting your lineup. If you can't do that go play "Best Ball". This goes double for money leagues.

Do nothing.

EDIT: As a commissioner you need to have a League Charter which explains situations like this. This is mine for my money league.
 
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Gally said:
Had a situation arise that was brought up to the Commish's attention today. Here is the situation.

Team A (6-2) vs Team B (5-3).

Team B started Huntley in last's nights game and has both Lamar and Darnold on the bench. A non involved team pointed out the situation and thinks the Commish office should make a change and put in Lamar as that was what should have been the lineup.

Team B owner was contacted and said he didn't realize that his lineup changes he made didn't get saved until it was too late and is fine with leaving it as is because he made the mistake and it shouldn't be changed.

What say the Shark Pool?

(I already know my vote but I wanted to hear what other's think. I am pretty sure I know how it will go).

ETA: I thought I made this into a pole but I guess not.

Pole choices were:

  • Do nothing
  • Put in Lamar for Huntley as that was the obvious choice
  • Put in Darnold for Huntley since Huntley didn't play and Darnold hasn't played yet as Huntley was obviously an error being in the lineup.
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My answer would be do nothing. If he hadn't declined the fix, I'd have called it a difficult situation unless Team A were okay with the change. But given that Team B declined, there's no issue, leave it be.
 
Per Rotoworld more than 28 hours before Thursday Night's game...

Lamar Jackson (hamstring) was removed from the injury report and will play in Week 9 against the Dolphins.
Jackson was a full participant in practice throughout the week and told reporters on Tuesday that he was ready to go. It looked like Jackson would be back in Week 8 after the team listed him as a full participant on Friday, but that charade was quickly unmasked when it was reported that he worked with the scout team for the final practice of the week. The team then ruled him out and even retroactively changed his practice status, a move that could result in a fine. A final week of rest may have been for the best as Jackson appears to be fully healthy, putting him back at the top of the QB ranks for Week 9. His return will also push Zay Flowers up in the WR2 range while keeping Mark Andrews at the back of the TE1 ranks.

I seriously question this owner's desire to play FF. As a commish, I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Team B's loss in week 9, while tragic, probably saved the league. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves leagues.
 
TheWinz said:
Per Rotoworld more than 28 hours before Thursday Night's game...

Lamar Jackson (hamstring) was removed from the injury report and will play in Week 9 against the Dolphins.
Jackson was a full participant in practice throughout the week and told reporters on Tuesday that he was ready to go. It looked like Jackson would be back in Week 8 after the team listed him as a full participant on Friday, but that charade was quickly unmasked when it was reported that he worked with the scout team for the final practice of the week. The team then ruled him out and even retroactively changed his practice status, a move that could result in a fine. A final week of rest may have been for the best as Jackson appears to be fully healthy, putting him back at the top of the QB ranks for Week 9. His return will also push Zay Flowers up in the WR2 range while keeping Mark Andrews at the back of the TE1 ranks.

I seriously question this owner's desire to play FF. As a commish, I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Team B's loss in week 9, while tragic, probably saved the league. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves leagues.
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The one caveat was that the week before the Ravens played with the injury report and practice status so for me there was additional worries up until game time.
 
menobrown said:
It's either obviously a mistake or a tank and both should be corrected by the commissioner. I really don't see an alternative.

I'd rule they can't put in Lamar after the fact, but they can put in Darnold.

Would be sure to notify the league of this ruling.

League entry fee, payout, friends/strangers, whatever.....makes no difference.
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Team B is 5-3 so clearly not a tank. People are responsible for setting their lineups. If this weren't a Thursday game there would be no way to put it in a new QB so basically you're saying he gets to correct his mistake b/c it's a Thursday game. It's a friendly league then sure but otherwise sorry Charlie.
 
Ask his opponent.

I wouldn’t want to win that way and would let him start Lamar. It’s not like he had Darnold in there and then asked for it after Lamar went off. He accidentally started a player that didn’t play.

My opponent missed Jaylen Warren being inactive earlier in the season for the Ireland game. Didn’t wake up early enough. I told him he could put someone else in. He’s the commish. The league didn’t object.

It’s an honest mistake.
 
Every league, every year, has this exact scenario play out. I bet we can dig and find 100 threads just like this one. If only there was a way to make a ruling on this before the season started.
 
FarFromHome said:
Boy. Tough one. Obviously an honest mistake. Put my vote down as owners need to be accountable for who they are starting. I'd make no change.
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This is where I'm at. IN fact, in our league rules we specifically codify that all owners are responsible for setting their lineup and mistakes cannot be reversed.
 
Reading people's comments reminds me that some owners have only played fantasy football during the Internet days. I can remember making lineup changes via telephone calls to commish. I can actually remember leaving hard line voice mails. "Hello, this is FarFromHome it is Saturday morning, at 1030am. I will be swapping out Sammy Winder for Keith Byers. Thanks "
 
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Grahamburn said:
Ask his opponent.

I wouldn’t want to win that way and would let him start Lamar. It’s not like he had Darnold in there and then asked for it after Lamar went off. He accidentally started a player that didn’t play.

My opponent missed Jaylen Warren being inactive earlier in the season for the Ireland game. Didn’t wake up early enough. I told him he could put someone else in. He’s the commish. The league didn’t object.

It’s an honest mistake.
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Just my opinion but this goes beyond the opponent. The team behind Team B has just as much at stake than Team A.

Lamar scored 28 points in my league which is pretty substantial. If you really want to be kind and the rest of the league doesn’t object then allow him to start another QB that hasn’t played yet.

I would leave it as-is though since setting a lineup is a pretty basic task for a team owner.
 
In my league that has 1K entry fee it would stand. But in that league it would never happen as owners are on top of everything.

In my friends league I play with my daughters and friends that has a 50-buck entry fee I would give the owner a pass and change it...but right away. Not after Jackson throws 4 TDs. Or you could take out Huntley and Jackson and let them start Darnold.
 
The rela answer is you use a platform or have an inactive player rule too if you want to be a hard ***. My one league where every FA pickup is a dollar in the pool also has for $2 you can declare a guy doesn't play sub. It lets you live your life and solve this crap.
 
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