Lineup Mistake - What is a Commish to do? (2 Viewers)

[Deranged Hermit]

Happened to me this week too. Same exact scenario. I told them commish to just put in Lamar for him. Dude was working overnights, 6 days a week, 12 hour days (he works construction) and the days just got jumbled up on him. It happens.

 

[TheWinz]

As a few others have already said, the best answer by far is to have rules in place before this scenario happens. The great equalizer to each owners “gung-ho” ness is a set of black and white rules. No matter how hard we try to have a league where all owners care the same exact amount about FF, it never happens. Some will always be cutthroat while others consider it just a fun hobby not to be taken seriously.

 

[wgoldsph]

What I'm surprised about is how nobody is commenting how the "offending" owner is fine with going "opps, my bad" and taking it on the chin

If everyone actually involved is okay, then what's the problem?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No matter how hard we try to have a league where all owners care the same exact amount about FF, it never happens

But in this scenario both teams are winning and competing. How is that relevant?

 

[smbkrypt24]

What I'm surprised about is how nobody is commenting how the "offending" owner is fine with going "opps, my bad" and taking it on the chin

If everyone actually involved is okay, then what's the problem?

I have been commenting about that. I have been calling that personal accountability.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

then what's the problem?

The only angle I would care about as commish is league balance. What’s “fair” to the field. But my context is a league with 3 divisions and a wild card.

Not every league will be that format, but if team LJax losing because of a technical glitch hurts one of the other teams in the league in the standings, that’s where I’d have an issue.

But I wouldn’t do anything unilaterally. I’d poll the league. It’s an interesting scenario.

We actually do have a bylaw that says “technology is sometimes imperfect. Issues caused by technical glitches will be evaluated as needed.”

This would fall into that category for me.

 

[TheWinz]

No matter how hard we try to have a league where all owners care the same exact amount about FF, it never happens

But in this scenario both teams are winning and competing. How is that relevant?

Was only trying to point out that this scenario happens to almost every league at least once every year. To act like each occurrence is a brand new incident with minor differences is insane.

Yes, I am on the cutthroat side of the line, and Team B needs to keep Huntley.

 

[Bri]

You definitely want to start a precedent of commish starting and benching players

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You definitely want to start a precedent of commish starting and benching players

Not at all no. But a scenario-specific vote for a scenario-specific incident?

I’d be willing to put it to league vote, given the specifics of this scenario.

the slippery slope? No.

 

[TheWinz]

You definitely want to start a precedent of commish starting and benching players

Not at all no. But a scenario-specific vote for a scenario-specific incident?

I’d be willing to put it to league vote, given the specifics of this scenario.

the slippery slope? No.

But is this really a scenario-specific incident? This exact scenario happens 10000000000000 times a year in FF leagues. Nowhere does it say the Team B owner was in a car accident, jailed, or lost in the woods. The dude thought he made a change and he didn’t. Really, how hard is it to verify your changes took effect? Every site I know of, changes are instantaneous and can be viewed 1 second later. If I am Team A and I lose because either Lamar or some other QB gets inserted, I am throwing a hissyfit!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But is this really a scenario-specific incident?

Yes. Gally posted an extremely detailed scenario.

It’s in the OP. There’s a set of criteria, team records, how it unfolded, and an account from one of the teams involved as to how it happened.

I realize that’s not as fun for chasing narratives, but we absolutely no question have a scenario-specific question here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

. If I am Team A and I lose because either Lamar or some other QB gets inserted, I am throwing a hissyfit!

my specific take on that aspect is that there’s no way LJax should be inserted.

Darnold, on the other hand, could be an acceptable solution. If the league approves.

I don’t know anyone who would take their ball and go home over that, but perhaps we run in different circles. And that’s ok.

 

[TheWinz]

But is this really a scenario-specific incident?

Yes. Gally posted an extremely detailed scenario.

It’s in the OP. There’s a set of criteria, team records, how it unfolded, and an account from one of the teams involved as to how it happened.

I realize that’s not as fun for chasing narratives, but we absolutely no question have a scenario-specific question here.

I realize Gally laid out all the specifics, and it’s a very detailed scenario. I guess I should’ve said this happens every single week in a league somewhere, and there’s no need to reinvent the wheel every week. Make a rule and be done with it.

 

[TheWinz]

. If I am Team A and I lose because either Lamar or some other QB gets inserted, I am throwing a hissyfit!

my specific take on that aspect is that there’s no way LJax should be inserted.

Darnold, on the other hand, could be an acceptable solution. If the league approves.

I don’t know anyone who would take their ball and go home over that, but perhaps we run in different circles. And that’s ok.

I threaten to quit my local league at least 10 times a year. I’m all bark and no bite.

 

[TheWinz]

. If I am Team A and I lose because either Lamar or some other QB gets inserted, I am throwing a hissyfit!

my specific take on that aspect is that there’s no way LJax should be inserted.

Darnold, on the other hand, could be an acceptable solution. If the league approves.

I don’t know anyone who would take their ball and go home over that, but perhaps we run in different circles. And that’s ok.

Oh yeah, if you don’t go make your O/D picks, I am gonna throw a hissyfit and quit!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

. If I am Team A and I lose because either Lamar or some other QB gets inserted, I am throwing a hissyfit!

my specific take on that aspect is that there’s no way LJax should be inserted.

Darnold, on the other hand, could be an acceptable solution. If the league approves.

I don’t know anyone who would take their ball and go home over that, but perhaps we run in different circles. And that’s ok.

Oh yeah, if you don’t go make your O/D picks, I am gonna throw a hissyfit and quit!

Hey we’re all just talking here. Glad this nonsense didn’t happen in my league. I blame @Gally

 

[the moops]

Huntley plays

My home leagues implemented fines fir owners doing this so it doesnf happen much

Fines for doing what?

My home league does this. For playing a backup, injured player or player on bye, really anything that is clearly tanking, whether intentional or not

How is it clearly tanking if you unintentionally play a backup?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't read the whole thread.....but no way you make a change.....would you make the same change if Lamar reinjured his hammy on the third play and Huntley came in and threw 5 TD's.....?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

haven't read the whole thread.....but no way you make a change.....would you make the same change if Lamar reinjured his hammy on the third play and Huntley came in and threw 5 TD's.....?

No but that’s irrelevant.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't read the whole thread.....but no way you make a change.....would you make the same change if Lamar reinjured his hammy on the third play and Huntley came in and threw 5 TD's.....?

No but that’s irrelevant.

but ....but ...but...he meant to start Jackson.....so not sure how it's irrelevant....

records don't matter one bit......he screwed up.....and all the talk about playoffs and free wins....what if total points are somehow a factor.....and now this guy gets jackson's points that he shouldn't get and bumps somebody...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

haven't read the whole thread.....but no way you make a change.....would you make the same change if Lamar reinjured his hammy on the third play and Huntley came in and threw 5 TD's.....?

No but that’s irrelevant.

but ....but ...but...he meant to start Jackson.....so not sure how it's irrelevant....

records don't matter one bit......he screwed up.....and all the talk about playoffs and free wins....what if total points are somehow a factor.....and now this guy gets jackson's points that he shouldn't get and bumps somebody...

I explicitly said I wouldn’t insert Ljax’s points.

But I’d put to league vote whether the QB2 could be swapped due to the glitch.

Anyway, not my circus, not my monkeys.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't read the whole thread.....but no way you make a change.....would you make the same change if Lamar reinjured his hammy on the third play and Huntley came in and threw 5 TD's.....?

No but that’s irrelevant.

but ....but ...but...he meant to start Jackson.....so not sure how it's irrelevant....

records don't matter one bit......he screwed up.....and all the talk about playoffs and free wins....what if total points are somehow a factor.....and now this guy gets jackson's points that he shouldn't get and bumps somebody...

I explicitly said I wouldn’t insert Ljax’s points.

But I’d put to league vote whether the QB2 could be swapped due to the glitch.

Anyway, not my circus, not my monkeys.

if he didn't have a QB2 ....are you going to let him make a move to pick one up and start him...?....where does it stop....

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

haven't read the whole thread.....but no way you make a change.....would you make the same change if Lamar reinjured his hammy on the third play and Huntley came in and threw 5 TD's.....?

No but that’s irrelevant.

but ....but ...but...he meant to start Jackson.....so not sure how it's irrelevant....

records don't matter one bit......he screwed up.....and all the talk about playoffs and free wins....what if total points are somehow a factor.....and now this guy gets jackson's points that he shouldn't get and bumps somebody...

I explicitly said I wouldn’t insert Ljax’s points.

But I’d put to league vote whether the QB2 could be swapped due to the glitch.

Anyway, not my circus, not my monkeys.

if he didn't have a QB2 ....are you going to let him make a move to pick one up and start him...?....where does it stop....

Sorry my hatred for the Dodgers is overwhelming my cerebral cortex.

 

[Bri]

You definitely want to start a precedent of commish starting and benching players

Not at all no. But a scenario-specific vote for a scenario-specific incident?

I’d be willing to put it to league vote, given the specifics of this scenario.

the slippery slope? No.

Sorry I thought my sarcasm was obvious

 

[kutta]

I like to think that I’m a pretty good dude overall. And fair. And I care. And I have empathy for others.

But you can’t change it. The dude needs to run his team. It’s on him. Once you start making these kinds of changes, there’s no end to the stuff you’ll have to deal with.

Live and learn. The dude won’t let this happen again I bet.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Oh yeah, if you don’t go make your O/D picks, I am gonna throw a hissyfit and quit!

Wait didn’t I make my picks for week 9 already?

 

[TheWinz]

Oh yeah, if you don’t go make your O/D picks, I am gonna throw a hissyfit and quit!

Wait didn’t I make my picks for week 9 already?

Oh yeah, you deleted and reposted

 

[Gally]

But is this really a scenario-specific incident?

Yes. Gally posted an extremely detailed scenario.

It’s in the OP. There’s a set of criteria, team records, how it unfolded, and an account from one of the teams involved as to how it happened.

I realize that’s not as fun for chasing narratives, but we absolutely no question have a scenario-specific question here.

I realize Gally laid out all the specifics, and it’s a very detailed scenario. I guess I should’ve said this happens every single week in a league somewhere, and there’s no need to reinvent the wheel every week. Make a rule and be done with it.

I mean there is a rule....set your lineup. You get fined if you play guys on bye or guys ruled out 48 hrs before the game. This didn't happen here.

That being said, this was an honest mistake that was brought to my attention by a 3rd party. The guy with the mistake did not come to me begging for a change. I only looked into it because it was such an obvious oddity to see what happened. Once I talked with the offending party the situation was clear and the path forward easy.

I would have much more concern if it was a 1-7 team vs a 7-1 team and likely swap out to Darnold for competition reasons. I know this is not consistent but circumstances are also different. The league balance is much more affected if a bottom level team puts out an uncompetitive lineup than a top level team. In this case the team that losses helps others at the top of the standings. One of the teams was gonna lose anyway. Almost negligible in the grand scheme of things as to which one loses.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'd let the team who he's facing make the call.

 

[need2know]

Boy. Tough one. Obviously an honest mistake. Put my vote down as owners need to be accountable for who they are starting. I'd make no change.

This is easily the answer

 

[togo]

Absolutely amazed at some of the answers here. And it's not a tough one. Easy one.

• Do nothing

Real simple. Every Owner is RESPONSIBLE for their own team and everything that goes along with it.

The Commissioner is not a babysitter. And is not allowed to alter mistakes by others.

This happens time to time and if you are upset by this .......well this is why you make sure you have competent owners in your league.

As a matter of fact, when this happens in our League other owners can't wait to pounce on the guy and give him a rash of sh!t.

And no one would EVER ask for the Commish to change it.

Let the League run itself unless there is cheating or rule violations.

Don't run other people's teams.

Changing their lineup for them is like rewarding them for doing a bad job.