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Good call Cowboy. I agree completely. They could get a QB from a number of areas. Cleveland could decide to go with Quinn and trade Anderson. They could draft someone in the next draft. Who knows. But the guy isn't on the roster right now who starts the majority of the 2010 season for the Lions...
Any particular reason(s) why you don't like Stanton? I mean are there specific reasons you don't think he can be the future Qb for this team? Other than the fact that he was a waste of a 2nd round pick, and that you don't like him, I have no idea where this is coming from. Just curious.
He was a project pick in the second round under the so called "QB-guru" OC that is no longer there... what is to like? He's athletic but fundamentally he's ####, why do you think they canned him early last year.
Boom or bust - nobody knows. All I do know is that he figures to get a good shot at the job at some point, so he's worth holding.Positives:Stanton possesses good size for a quarterback, and stands tall in the pocket. He moves well when flushed out of the pocket, and generally throws well on the move. Has a good feel for timing routes and is very good at putting the ball where it needs to be when he's on. Stanton has the gift to be absolutely dominant at times, and can really pick apart a defense. He's also an excellent leader who can really get his teammates fired up.Negatives:Stanton is wildly inconsistent, at times looking like a superstar, and at others looking like something that belongs on the trash heap. He really gets himself into trouble sometimes, making a long series of bad plays when he gets rattled, which happens easier than you like to see. Those problems will only be worsened with how many adjustments he'll have to make to a completely new style of offense like he'll see in the NFL. He really needs to work on his mechanics and other technical aspects of his game, especially learning to stop staring down his receiver.Stanton's also had a lot of durability issues, most notably a torn ACL back in 2003 that he still doesn't seem very comfortable with at times.Overviewrew is a bizarre prospect, all in all. He has a lot of very positive attributes to him, but also a lot of very negative ones. He is a boom or bust prospect in the purest sense. If things go right, he could be incredible. But if they don't, he could be awful. Depending on how he works out at the combine and such, he could go anywhere from the second to the fifth rounds.
The bolded sentence says it all. He just has too many negatives that I don't think will be offset by his positives, which translates into bust for me. So I think the Lions future QB is not currently on the roster and they should find someone in free agency. Draft? Nah. Name me one decent QB they've drafted... EVER.
Interesting that you focus on the most qualitative statement in the entire analysis, meaning the one that has the least to do with tangible traits and the most to do with the writer's own opinions. I don't know what Stanton will or won't become, but he got a lot of starts in a major conference and he's got a lot of physical attributes that you like. In a deep dynasty league he's worth stashing as a 3rd or 4th QB to see what he'll turn into. Not everyone can draft Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer.
This is the important statement. I think they have to be thinking that he gets a shot in 2009. I think the only thing you are looking for in 2008 is decent action in the preseason, nice words from the coaches, and maybe some late season action when/if the Lions are eliminated. They took him with a high pick, I can't see them not trying to at least develop him.
I think it is way too early to write Stanton off. Don't you think we should give him a chance to play in at least one regular season game before we call him a bust? As much as people criticize Martz, he obviously saw something in this kid, and he tends to favor tough, smart QBs. Stanton also has some very respectable measurables. I think Stanton is a very respectable prospect going forward, and I would wager a guess that he would be extremely cheap due to the tendency of many to think short term and classify players as "busts" before they get a chance.
Ya know, this reads alot like Brett Favre when he was coming out of Southern Miss if you were to switch out the names. While I'm certainly not proclaiming Stanton to be the next Favre, he's still due his opportunity as many others have already said. I saw enough games with Stanton at Michigan State to see the points made, both good and bad. It really did seem like he was hot or cold and never in the middle. I think it was more in his head than his outright ability.Patience and a good QB coach would do him wonders, but unfortunately we're talking about the Lions here. I wouldn't bank on him, but it would be worthwhile to see if he gets a shot this year.His draft profile still says it all:
Positives:Stanton possesses good size for a quarterback, and stands tall in the pocket. He moves well when flushed out of the pocket, and generally throws well on the move. Has a good feel for timing routes and is very good at putting the ball where it needs to be when he's on. Stanton has the gift to be absolutely dominant at times, and can really pick apart a defense. He's also an excellent leader who can really get his teammates fired up.Negatives:Stanton is wildly inconsistent, at times looking like a superstar, and at others looking like something that belongs on the trash heap. He really gets himself into trouble sometimes, making a long series of bad plays when he gets rattled, which happens easier than you like to see. Those problems will only be worsened with how many adjustments he'll have to make to a completely new style of offense like he'll see in the NFL. He really needs to work on his mechanics and other technical aspects of his game, especially learning to stop staring down his receiver.Stanton's also had a lot of durability issues, most notably a torn ACL back in 2003 that he still doesn't seem very comfortable with at times.Overview
I do too bud......I said these things have to be proven and I went further by saying if you do own Stanton in a Dynasty at this point, you have to hold on to him.I am currently not in any dynasty leagues, I watched the guy play most Saturday's for MSU and I just don't think he's going to be a starting NFL QB long term. He does have a good arm, he's young so he'll be given a shot and it could be sooner than Kitna wants.If you guys haven't heard.....Kitna has AGAIN claimed he would be disappointed/expects to have a 10 win season again this year. I wonder if this kind of hyperbole is done so that he keeps his job, meaning how could the one guy who claims to believe this team can win 10 games be the guy who gets benched.For the record, Kitna has played decent since coming to Detroit. Although he's made some mistakes, it's not his fault. However, the guy has age working against him and eventually Detroit needs to find out if the younger guys behind him can play or do they need to address the QB position next year.
Very interesting analysis. Also, the above line made me laugh. Nice.Not really loving this paragraph about his tutelage under Martz:Frankbot said:
Well, I agree your reasoning is "shaky", at a minimum. As someone said below, you could have said the exact same thing about Brett Favre and the Falcons. Also, given the Ravens' repeated failures at both developing and acquiring viable QB talent, is Delaware's Joe Flacco doomed? When was the last time Pittsburgh had developed a good QB before they drafted Roethlisberger out of that powerhouse, Miami (OH)? I'm not at all predicting or guaranteeing success for Stanton - I've already said he's a huge question mark. Based just on numerical odds of any given QB succeeding in the NFL, you have to be skeptical. I'm also not saying that you completely ignore someone's pedigree. It's part of their football background, and you should consider it.Frankbot said:
I think a lot of people thought that way. Not everyone and it doesn't mean one way or another if Stanton has talent or not.Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are doing just fine without Martz, point being you don't have to have him to be successful but he has had a track record.
But Martz dismantles a QB before he rebuilds them, and it seems like Stanton had the dismantling part done without the rebuild. Thats what worries me.
